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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Ginko on June 22, 2002, 03:14:35 PM
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In other words, do you think all 3 consoles will make it to see another generation? You know there will be a PS3, and MS said they plan on sticking around for 20 years, and more than likely Nintendo will come around again.
If worse came to worse...who do you see dropping out?
Has the gaming industry grown large enough to support all three systems?
Sony
I\'m 100% sure Sony will be back with PS3...but do you think they will have the same edge as before? With third parties actually spreading their wings, it look as if Sony needs to beef up its\' first and second party offerings. While Naughty Dog and Polyphony
(sp?) are great, it doesn\'t seem like enough...Will Sony have the same draw as before? Do you see PS2 always outselling the competition in this generation?
Microsoft
Things were looking kinda bleak. In some cases (Japan), it hasn\'t changed. MS is pouring ALOT of money into this project, so I don\'t see them pulling out. Online gaming will more than likely be the focus of next generation systems, MS is already laying the ground roots for what looks like a successful venture. That coupled with 3rd party support on the rise, Xbox could play a great game of catching up...
Nintendo
I\'m up in the air about this one. It\'s hard to imagine playing Mario on anything but a Nintendo system, but the same was said about Sonic. Nintendo has always had an amazing round of 1st and 2nd party offerings, even if they were s p a c e d out to be released every two years...Silicone Knights and Retro Studios added, it looks even more promising...but rumors are flying around that Rare is going 3rd party and could possibly already have games in progress for other systems. Does Nintendo have staying power?
Your thoughts please...Remember which forum you\'re in. hopes to create some controversy:cool:
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I\'m pretty sure Sony and MS will be around for the next generation: Sony is the market leader, and MS has too much money invested.
N is up in the air. IF they want to come back the industry will support them.
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I\'m pretty sure Sony and MS will be around for the next generation:
Is that a small hint of doubt on either of their parts? Care to share why...
N is up in the air. IF they want to come back the industry will support them.
You feel the same way...for the same reasons I posted?
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i think sony will learned they are falible in this generation
PS3 will have to be gods gift to gaming is sony wants to remain in 1st place
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Originally posted by mm
i think sony will learned they are falible in this generation
PS3 will have to be gods gift to gaming is sony wants to remain in 1st place
in a desperate attempt to start some sh1t
What do you think they screwed up on?
Do you believe Xbox 2 has a chance of being top dog?
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lol gink :)
i wouldnt say they screwed up with anything
they released the best hardware they could at the time then it was released
the xbox is technically more powerfull, noone can contest that, as well it should be
sony IS doing the right thing with its online program, dont force the devs to follow a strict regime.
by the time xbox finally gets a full head of steam, PS3 will be on the horizon (2004)
if sony wants to absolutely dominate again, they need to make the PS3 not only powerfull, but EASY to develop for. thats the only current argument from devs in the complicity of the EE
xbox 2 is too far off to even consider the implecations of it
m$ has a long road ahead of them before they recoup ANY money poured into the xbox
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OMG! i made a well thought out, rational post
altered would be SO proud
:)
nah. screw it, xbox sux0rs!
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I think the industry is too small for 3 consoles. Anytime a system sales as poorly as 800 units, you have a problem. It isnt like the movie industry where pretty much every summer movie makes at least 20 million. Games are too expensive to have that large of an audience.
Who do I see dropping out?
I really cant say Nintendo until after the release a pokemon game for the ngc. I mean nintendo can almost survive off of gameboy alone, so their chances of dropping out are little imo
MS looks like they are in it for the long haul with their online plan and all, but I say they are in the worst shape. They are the new company, with alot to prove. And so far most have been dissapointed. Poor hardware sales, poor software sales, and an online plan that the big devs dont look highly of, not to mention is targeted to the small minority of gamers. Not to add that x box gamers are already in the minority
As for Sony and the complexity of the ee, well, the ee is staying from what I heard. Maybe sony will just give it more ram and boom the problem is solved?
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Originally posted by mm
lol gink :)
i wouldnt say they screwed up with anything
they released the best hardware they could at the time then it was released
the xbox is technically more powerfull, noone can contest that, as well it should be
sony IS doing the right thing with its online program, dont force the devs to follow a strict regime.
by the time xbox finally gets a full head of steam, PS3 will be on the horizon (2004)
if sony wants to absolutely dominate again, they need to make the PS3 not only powerfull, but EASY to develop for. thats the only current argument from devs in the complicity of the EE
xbox 2 is too far off to even consider the implecations of it
m$ has a long road ahead of them before they recoup ANY money poured into the xbox
Didn\'t Sony say that the EE was just the beginning and a glimpse as to what their future consoles will consist of?
The one thing I believe Sony overlooked was to create a better round of 1st party developers...but then again, they aren\'t hurting just yet.
IF MS manages to actually grab a big share of Sony\'s market, I would think it wise to release XBox 2 fairly close to PS3. Best not to let any windows of opportunity be left open. 20 years of mistakes=alot of money.
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OMG! i made a well thought out, rational post
altered would be SO proud
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nah. screw it, xbox sux0rs! [/B]
tehe:D
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Originally posted by Clowd
I think the industry is too small for 3 consoles. Anytime a system sales as poorly as 800 units, you have a problem.
This was in Japan, before the announced price drop mind you. GC has had some slumps, in fact it\'s in one right now.
It isnt like the movie industry where pretty much every summer movie makes at least 20 million. Games are too expensive to have that large of an audience.
You probably didn\'t know, but the videogame industry has surpassed the movie ind. in regards to revenue.
and an online plan that the big devs dont look highly of, not to mention is targeted to the small minority of gamers. Not to add that x box gamers are already in the minority
I really see MS\'s online plan as the beginning to something much larger. The next generation of consoles will more than likely be internet targeted...Broadband is expected to become more widely available and boom within the next 2-3 years...it looks like MS wants to lead the way.
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I can see 3 consoles in the ring, definitely. The industry\'s getting large enough to support it.
Although, I simply can\'t see how one would place MS over Nintendo in the area of "coming back". Unless the GameCube doesn\'t turn a profit in the end, Nintendo is almost definitely coming back. Up in the air my ass! Nintendo has more money than Sony and a ton of great games coming over the next 3 years.. many of them exclusive.
If this fails, I don\'t see how Xbox could do any better!
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what I want to see next generation is SOny coming out with something INCREDIBLE with the CELL, and a year later, MS beats them again with off the shelf parts in terms of power. I think the next generation will be much more balanced between the systems, while Nintendo\'s will focus more on connectivity between their handheld and the user. Nintendo\'s system will be more of a niche system, but will still remain popular.
The market can easily support three consoles, it is doing it now. XBox and Gamecube are both selling well enough to support themselves and PS2 is selling well enough to support all three systems :)
The market is growing, rapidly in spite of economic downturn :) I would like to see Sega be picked up as a second party to the system with the most features and best hardware next generation, that way instead of Virtua Fighter 4 looking the way it did, it could\'ve looked better than DOA3, etc. I want Sega always working on the highest common denominator. :)
SHENMUE III better come out, too!!
Eric Jacob
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I would love to see one of the three drop out by the next generation. If there are two consoles instead of three, there will still be enough competition to keep quality up, and prices down. At the same time, the quality games will be spread over two consoles, rather than three. That means those of us who don\'t necessarily want to make 3 $200 purchases get more quality games on their one console.
And btw, if I had my way, MS would be the one to go :)
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just to stir the pot, shockwaves, why? It seems MS has done just about everything right this generation so far, from building great, easy-to-use hardware, setting long-term goals, securing third party games, and securing third party exclusives.
If anything I would want Sony to go, they have done everything wrong besides put a DVD player in the console (very good idea). 2 controller ports, frustrating hardware, controller that could\'ve been much improved, shoddily built hardware, etc.
Eric Jacob
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I don\'t want any company to leave. Each brings something different to the table and it keeps things interesting.
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Originally posted by Bozco
I don\'t want any company to leave. Each brings something different to the table and it keeps things interesting.
BUT, if worse came to worse...which one do you think would go? And more importantly, Why?
You don\'t have to answer...it just in interest of making the thread worthwhile. devilish grin
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Originally posted by Ginko
With third parties actually spreading their wings, it look as if Sony needs to beef up its\' first and second party offerings. While Naughty Dog and Polyphony
(sp?) are great, it doesn\'t seem like enough...Will Sony have the same draw as before?
What? I think Sony has the BEST 1st and 2nd party games this generation..
World Rally Championship, Gran Turismo 3 (with the three concept games), Jak and Daxter, Ico, Parappa the Rapper, Frequency, Socom (made by some SCEA team, right?), Twisted Metal Black (and the Online addon), Ka (ugly looking, but damn innovative), The Getaway, Primal ect...
Beef up? Pffft.. :p
And about the outselling part, I dont see the winds changing anytime soon.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
If anything I would want Sony to go, they have done everything wrong besides put a DVD player in the console (very good idea). 2 controller ports, frustrating hardware, controller that could\'ve been much improved, shoddily built hardware, etc.
Bwhah..
Why do you care if the hardware is hard to use? Do you code the games?
No, you just play them.. And hasnt PS2 given you some good games?
Oh right.. I forgot, you only swing the MS way. :rolleyes:
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yeah watch, shoddily built hardware? pffffft
and everyone knows dualshock > anything else out there
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Thanks fastson...I wasn\'t aware that Sony had a part in all those.
However, your view on the rest of what I asked would be appreciated.
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mm? Are you now predicting what I\'m going to say? :)
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There is easilly place for 3 consoles, I think we could have even more. teh market is groving everyday and is today bigger than the movieindustry.
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Originally posted by Ginko
Broadband is expected to become more widely available and boom within the next 2-3 years...it looks like MS wants to lead the way.
Sony wanted to lead the way before they wisened up and realized making ps2 bb only would be shooting themselves in the foot.
It seems as though MS hasnt realized this. bb only isnt the way to go yet
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Originally posted by Clowd
Sony wanted to lead the way before they wisened up and realized making ps2 bb only would be shooting themselves in the foot.
It seems as though MS hasnt realized this. bb only isnt the way to go yet
Think of it as a long-term investment. They have laid the groundwork...they are one-step ahead of the competition. Whether it will benefit them remains to be seen...
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IMO, Sony has the 1st/2nd parties that interest me most. Even if most others think otherwise, I think we can all agree that Sony has come a long way with their 1st and 2nd party games: There are even games that have millions to date and I see this only getting better. Nintendo would be my second favorite 1st party (got to love those brilliant games) and well, MS doesn\'t really interest me (yet).
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Let\'s see, I work in retail...you guys don\'t. PS2s are the worst built hardware since...GASP, the PSX! Before that it was the NES.
We get at least a couple PS2s back a week at Best Buy because the DVD player stops working, it stops reading some of the games, Memory cards get corrupted saves, etc. PS2 was made like junk. I think overall, Gamecube is made the best generation. It is sturdy and the only thing that we get back is controllers, as the rumble thing in the controllers go out quite easily.
fastson, PS2 has provided me with a handful of games I would never be willing to sell, but I know that becaue of PS2s harsware, they could\'ve been better on another system.
mm, They could\'ve improved many things about the dual shock II, IMO. It is NOT the best controller of the generation, hell, even Mad Catz Dual Force II is better than the regular Sony one. at least the d-pad on it is connected.
Eric Jacob
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AlteredBeast: Hehe, I find it funny that the 3 most dominant consoles in gaming history are the flakiest. :)
Does anybody remember blowing NES cartridges? That was the extent of my NES problems.
My NES worked fine without a hitch for the nearly 8 years I had it.
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I became a fan of the SMS because of NES. The stupid thing broke on me and my brothers and instead of wasting our money buying another, we bought an SMS. It became the block favorite and everyone but 3 kids had the SMS. We enjoyed superior versions of Rampage, Double Dragon, Ghouls and Ghosts, Ghostbusters, etc. :)
I think the three most prominent consoles is probably because there are so many good games for eash system, people feel the need to buy another when it brakes on them 2 years down the road after purchase :p
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
just to stir the pot, shockwaves, why? It seems MS has done just about everything right this generation so far, from building great, easy-to-use hardware, setting long-term goals, securing third party games, and securing third party exclusives.
If anything I would want Sony to go, they have done everything wrong besides put a DVD player in the console (very good idea). 2 controller ports, frustrating hardware, controller that could\'ve been much improved, shoddily built hardware, etc.
Eric Jacob
Takes me a while to reply sometimes, doesn\'t it?
Anyway, the reason I would want MS to fail is pretty simple. I am a huge fan of Nintendo. I actually own only one console from this generation of consoles: Gamecube. So I wouldn\'t want Nintendo to fail, obviously.
That leaves either Sony or Microsoft. To me, Sony seems to have really gotten a handle on the market. They are obviously outselling everyone else by quite a large margin. It is very unlikely that they would leave the console market anytime soon. Sony also has many more games that interest me than Microsoft does. It has the Final Fantasy games. As you can tell by my avatar, I am a big fan of them. They also just simply have a lot more games that interest me than MS. THe interest in MS just doesn\'t seem to be there (and sales figures show that I\'m not alone in thinking that). The whole image that MS has is bad, if you ask me. It seems like it is thought of almost as a worse version of the PS2. That isn\'t my opinion, but it is what I sense a lot of people think. The thing even looks ugly, from the size, to the god awful look of the controller. I just think that if someone had to go, they should be it
Of course, if I ultimately had my way, I\'d have it go back to Nintendo and Sega :)
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The industry CAN support 3 consoles provided there\'s enough good games to go around. As far as I can see, the X-Box has nothing I want(tons of PC and PC-ish games that plays and looks better on the PC), the GC is still the kid\'s choice while the PS2 recently have been churning out garbages.
They all suck really.
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A disgruntled customer
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I cant see the Big N going the same way as DC. But this is for a couple of reasons.
#1: DC had no back up $. They were video game console makers. Nothing else that Im aware of. The big N has its handheld industry which is a HUGE success.
#2: If N\'s mature plan doesnt work they can fall back on pokemon. But if that did happen I\'d say everyone here wpuld lose interest.
#3: It has too good of a line up the year to not make it to the next gen. ( Mario, Cel-da, Star Fox, F-Zero, PDZ, RE1,2,3,4,Veronica, Eternal Darkness Metroid ect.)
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Cloud: Hehe, if everybody added up the announced and unannounced games that GCN is getting over the next few years.. there would be no more discussion about GCN dropping out of the console wars. ;)
The same goes for Xbox, really.
IMO, there are too many great exclusives across the board and too much money for any console to fall out.
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About the pokemon thing--kids are fickle and pokemon is loosing steem.
Remember Power Rangers? Barney? Elmo? Cabbage Patch Kids?
The list goes on. I sure hope N isn\'t relying on pokemon and a million 6 year olds.