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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: videoholic on June 26, 2002, 03:08:37 PM
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Um, yeah. That makes sense. I guess money is unconstitutional as well. Darn God. Always gets in the way.
Since money will soon be worthless and unconstitutional, please send me all of yours.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&ncid=716&e=1&u=/ap/20020626/ap_on_re_us/pledge_of_allegiance
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I guess this makes the constitution uncostitutional too because it uses the phrase under God too.
Oh well, I dont care. Its not like I didnt see this coming.
If the supreme court doesnt overrule it, its only going to lead to more.
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This is the dumbest thing I\'ve ever read. Do kids even know what the words in the Pledge of Allegiance even means?
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Good point about the green...well if there\'s no money then does that mean stuff will be free, hey who says you can\'t fantasize? Anyway I agree, this is the stupidest thing I\'ve ever heard of.
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I never said the pledge of allegiance when we were supposed to anyway.
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Well, fortunately money can be changed alot easier than the pedge can be. Speaking from a public outcry opinion.
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Now we know why people from our own country will join with foreigners to bomb us, nuke us, shoot us, or just generally run big stuff into a pile of us.
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that is so HO. why not say it......
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it\'s a forceful attempt at religion. The slogan "in god we trust" was created over 300 years ago when the only religions in the US at the time believe in jesus and YHWY. and let\'s just say, it was about 99.8% jesus. If one didn\'t believe in what the masses believed in, he/she would be scrutinized.
Besides, why should kids be forced to pledge "allegiance" to this country? I mean, seriously, it\'s basically promising to give your life for it. I think I give enough to my country when I pay my taxes and suffer the incredibly stupid laws and high tax rates. I don\'t need to pledge my life to it.
I dont see the big fuss, it was fine for 60 years b4 they decided to change it. There is really no need to have it in the pledge nor on currency.
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so now wouldnt this ruling make the courts unconstitutional since i think they have "in god we trust" or somthing to that effect written somewhere in the court room.
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Originally posted by Tyrant_246
so now wouldnt this ruling make the courts unconstitutional since i think they have "in god we trust" or somthing to that effect written somewhere in the court room.
I think you are correct..dont remember for sure though. If so, should be removed from there as well.
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I honestly don\'t understand why everyone is in such an uproar over this. I was in school not too long ago (5 years or so), and let me tell ya, saying the Pledge of Allegiance never meant a damn thing to me. It was just something you had to do. You can\'t teach a kid to be loyal to God and his country by saying a few sentences every morning. I personally don\'t appreciate someone trying to brainwash me, or my child, if I had one.
Not to be disrespectful, but I am 99% sure that the only time the Pledge of Allegiance meant anything to school kids, was for the first month or two after the WTC attacks.
If I want my child to be patriotic and "stand under God", I will be the one to teach him/her, NOT the school system.
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Originally posted by Sara
I honestly don\'t understand why everyone is in such an uproar over this. I was in school not too long ago (5 years or so), and let me tell ya, saying the Pledge of Allegiance never meant a damn thing to me. It was just something you had to do. You can\'t teach a kid to be loyal to God and his country by saying a few sentences every morning. I personally don\'t appreciate someone trying to brainwash me, or my child, if I had one.
Not to be disrespectful, but I am 99% sure that the only time the Pledge of Allegiance meant anything to school kids, was for the first month or two after the WTC attacks.
If I want my child to be patriotic and "stand under God", I will be the one to teach him/her, NOT the school system.
Damn straight. The parents will teach the kids to stand under God, not the ****in\' school.
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Originally posted by Sara
I honestly don\'t understand why everyone is in such an uproar over this. I was in school not too long ago (5 years or so), and let me tell ya, saying the Pledge of Allegiance never meant a damn thing to me. It was just something you had to do. You can\'t teach a kid to be loyal to God and his country by saying a few sentences every morning. I personally don\'t appreciate someone trying to brainwash me, or my child, if I had one.
Not to be disrespectful, but I am 99% sure that the only time the Pledge of Allegiance meant anything to school kids, was for the first month or two after the WTC attacks.
If I want my child to be patriotic and "stand under God", I will be the one to teach him/her, NOT the school system.
Oh baby, you are turning me on with your common sense....
I remember pledgine allegiance and the entire time thinking, "Boy I sure would like to sit down."
If I want to pledge my allegiance to the country I\'ll do it in my own damn time. Now the whole God thing. Well I personally don\'t understand why we stick God everywhere. Seeing as to how he is fictious and all. :thepimp:
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Last I heard, they are dismissing the case. It is really dumb that this was brought up. I mean, who cares?
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It seems pretty clear that saying "under God" endorses a monotheistic belief. As I\'m sure you guys know, President Eisenhower stated "From this day forward, the millions of our school\'s children will daily proclaim in every city and town, every village and rural schoolhouse, the dedication of our Nation and our people to the Almighty. This was at the signing ceremony that put the words "under God" into the pledge back in 1954. Kinda hard to say that there is a separation between church and state there, don\'t you think? The problem with a decision barring those words from the pledge is that it would create a slippery slope, and we\'d have to be prepared to take out all other references to God in our society at large as well, such as currency. Maybe that\'s not something we want to do, but the pledge implications are striking. It would be akin to a christian kid being in class where everyone is saying one nation under Satan during their morning rituals. Obviously that wouldn\'t be allowed.
My larger argument is that the pledge shouldn\'t even be a part of the morning in schools period. Sure patriotism is important and it benefits all if we have a strong base of citizens who actually like and appreciate the benefits of being U.S. citizens, but requireing six year olds to mindlessly recite a bunch of words they don\'t even understand is not the way patriotism to be taught. Teaching children the many sacrifices our forefathers have made so that we could live as we do today is more along the right track. Making the kid stand up every morning like a bunch of robots and pledge their allegiance is not. And yes, I know they don\'t expell you or anything if you don\'t say the pledge, but a young kid is not going to exercise their contitutional right to not say the pledge because they don\'t think that way. It is my feeling that children will come to appreciate the flag for what it is once they really understand it and our history, but not by rote teaching and memorization. It almost seems like we want our children to make their decision before they are old enough to understand exactly what they are pledging to. It\'s kind of pointless, and seems to have a feeling of "we\'re gonna hook em early, before they even know what\'s going on".
Same goes for the moment of silence. Since when can\'t people who want to pray or reflect on whatever not do that at any point of the day. Why do we need to set aside a certain amount of time each morning in our schools so that people can have that moment? All the way up through high school you had to stand, say the pledge, and then be quiet for the moment of silence. If you didn\'t you weren\'t really punished, but you certainly looked weird.
Sorry this is so long, but after reading the case I started to form some different opinions about this issue. At first I thought it was so stupid for someone to bring a lawsuit, but then I felt differently. And of course the senate voted 99-0 to overturn the decision... what politician would want to be seen as the representative that voted against the "under God" resolution? Their constituents don\'t understand the Anti-Establishment Clause, so the senator would just be labeled either a bleeding heart liberal or an atheist and get voted out of office next election. Sad, but true.
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Originally posted by Bladez
Damn straight. The parents will teach the kids to stand under God, not the ****in\' school.
exactly why its unconstitutional I mean I dont really care one way or another but if you want to be technical the constitution says there shall be a speration of religion and state, well bingo..