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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: fastson on June 27, 2002, 05:18:31 AM
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From gaming-age:
Chalk this one up under the "WTF" category. Either that, or I was just totally misunderstanding the point of Xbox Live all along. According to Sonic Team\'s web site, the Xbox PSO will have its own monthly fee (Hunter\'s License) separate from the Xbox Live fee. This means in addition to paying for Xbox Live (which I thought was supposed to be one monthly fee for all online games?), if you want to play PSO online, you\'ll have to pay for that as well.
http://www.sonicteam.com/pso/index2.html
I was totally planning on at least trying the Xbox PSO, but if I\'m gonna have to pay both MS -and- Sega to play it, then uh, I think I\'m gonna pass and just stick with the Cube version. :/
BTW, I apologize if this was posted already. It\'s news to me...
PS - They say they haven\'t determined what the fee will be yet. Just says there will be one.
you are correct
""A minute of 12-month the charge of on-line service use" included in a "starter kit" is not applied to the fee collection (hunter ZURAI sense) of "PSO." Although a charge is needed for the on-line play of "PSO" separately, now, the amount of money is undecided. "
but that is in Japan for the xbox starter kit.... so probably going to happen here.
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Hey Fasty.. go post it over at TXB (or at least link me to where it has been posted already)
Other than that, i dont really care :) It\'s nothing big, and its not unexpected (to me)
I\'ll be paying for Final Fantasy XI anyway :evil:
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/me hugs every xbox fan we have here
it\'s ok guys, we knew all along.
nothing big? this is a direct slap in the face of every xbox zealot who claims xbox live is the "be all - end all" of online gaming. how many times were we subjected to reading about "m$ superior plan cause its only one payment and it covers all games"
pfffffft.
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If I wasn\'t so blindly in love with Sega, I would be upset right now!!
The reason I wanted PSO on Xbox was to avoid the montly fee from Sega...I will not be paying monthly fees for FFXI and PSO.
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from the sounds of every PSO interview, the XBox version is going to offer something that the GC won\'t be able to...tons of downloadable content. and this is just for Japan, who is used to paying for Dreamcast games online, FFXI, etc. Who knows if the fee is for America, too?
Not to say I am not mad about this, but how about we get all the facts before we make any assumptions about this.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
from the sounds of every PSO interview, the XBox version is going to offer something that the GC won\'t be able to...tons of downloadable content. and this is just for Japan, who is used to paying for Dreamcast games online, FFXI, etc. Who knows if the fee is for America, too?
Not to say I am not mad about this, but how about we get all the facts before we make any assumptions about this.
Eric Jacob
LOL. No offence AB, but I expected no less from someone like you to beginn a reply with how much better the Xbox version will be (despite the cost of course) in this thread. :rolleyes:
* me thinks how this topic was argued in the other debate about Xbox live...
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shut the fuck up. You probably know that PSo for gamecube (as it stands now) is going to come bundled with a modem and keyboard/controller costing 140 bucks. Then the monthly fee it will have. XBox will require the 50 dollar fee for Xbox live for the first year, then the fee for the game for Japan (but the game is being given away free in Japan). What sounds like the better deal to you, jackass? Nevermind that we know nothing on the content that the XBox version will contain, only that they are giving it away free, with only broadband connection (no more strange lag) and there will be much more downloadable content than possible on GC.
You were saying, jackass?
Eric Jacob
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haha, obviously mad cause xbox live doesnt seem so "live" anymore
i await rast\'s and pstwo\'s spin doctoring on this one also
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Just wait til the rainbow express(aka pstwo and rastalant) gets a load of this. Oh well, it\'s not suprising, now the playing feild is level, everyone is paying to play online no matter what system you have, well for now, people will start to get around it soon enough.
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Originally posted by mm
haha, obviously mad cause xbox live doesnt seem so "live" anymore
i await rast\'s and pstwo\'s spin doctoring on this one also
:)
yeah tell me about it, i mean even tough i have been away doing REAL LIFE stuff.. even i knew that MicroFlops Online plans looked as promising as WorldCom’s Financial Future ;)
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Someone in here should be placed under the banstick..:cool:
*whip-sound*
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www.gamers.com/news/1185101
Xbox Phantasy Star Online To Carry Monthly Fee
By: Nich Maragos June 27, 2002 9:18 AM PDT
Gamers who rankled at paying for Phantasy Star Online v.2 on Dreamcast might bridle even more at the planned pay structure for the Xbox version of the game in Japan. In addition to the game, ISP payment, and Xbox Live subscription ($50 for the first year, probably $10 a month after that) players of PSO for Xbox will need to cough up around $20 per month for the Hunter\'s License. Offline play will, of course, still be free of charge.
There\'s no word yet on whether the US pricing structure will be similar, so keep your fingers crossed.
Dubble ouch!
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It was always assumed that MMOGs would not be included in the charge unless produced by MS themselves.
Also, you guys seem to forget that you don\'t have to pay for MSlive and PSO. You can just be a PSO player, and not have access to MSLIVE because PSO is carried on Sega\'s servers.
So really, it\'s the same on xbox as any other console except that you don\'t have to buy a modem, keyboard, mouse, harddirve (not to mention put up with lag).
So again, what\'s the difference?
EDIT:
Also, you guy aren\'t looking at it from the right perspective.
Let\'s pretend that there are no MMOGs.
PS2 online: free
XboxLive: 50/yr; 10/month
Now let\'s add MMOGs:
PS2 online: Unknown Fee
XboxLive: Unknown Fee
There is no difference. With both consoles you will have to pay to play MMOGs, so that\'s a wash (unless you count MS MMOGs and then advantage MSLive).
Most xbox live subscribers are willing to pay $150 bucks a year for a superier online experience. I could pay 10 bucks a month for dialup, but I pay 50 buck for cable. Why? Because you get what you pay for.
If you guys are seriously put out by $150 a year for an online service, then you have my pity. That\'s not even a day\'s work. I nearly spend more when I go out for diner for the night.
But of course, you clowns will jump at anything in order to get a shot off at MS/xbox.
It\'s pathetic really.
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lol watch, put that spin on it baby
dig deep for that silver lining
:)
whats pathetic watch, is xbox zealots claiming xbox live is the shiznet cause its one fee AND ONE DAMN FEE ONLY, and then when reality rears its fugly head, they go into self defense mode and get hostile
now, either m$ made a fools out of these guys, or they did it to themselves, whos to guess?
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Watch...
You must eat at some expensive places.
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If you ask me Sega is the one who is gonna get screwed.
I\'ll pay my 50 a year and 10 after that, and play the other on-line games.
If i have to pay any additional fee for PSO, i won\'t buy it. Plenty of other games.
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I won\'t be posting much, frankly cause well, I just have more important things to do..
I want to spend as much time as possible with my friend before he leaves for the airforce in aug
but thats another story:
I, however, have to comment on this.. and say, 4 words
I told you so
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Where\'s the spin? I posted the truth, not some gloating, childish fanboyism.
Why do you not have dial up? Because it\'s a less enjoyable experience, it\'s not offered to you or you\'re too damn cheap.
The fact of the matter is everyone will have the same fee to play MMOGs. With everything else, xbox owners can choose to pay a nominal fee for a better service (not at all unlike dial up vs. broadband).
You tell me what the difference? No one here would try to convince people that dial up is superior because it\'s cheaper. But, laughably, that\'s your argument here. You tell me.
Once you get through the drinks, appetizers, the meal, and tip, you\'re looking at upwards of $75. It\'s a little pricey, but it\'s worth it. You get what you pay for. Just like everything else in the world.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Once you get through the drinks, appetizers, the meal, and tip, you\'re looking at upwards of $75. It\'s a little pricey, but it\'s worth it. You get what you pay for. Just like everything else in the world.
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Entirely contradicts argument over Sony\'s expensive electronics and appliances. Thank you, have a nice day. :D
Example 1:
Sony\'s electronics are overpriced. Quality aside, you get way more for your money when you buy other brands.
Example 2:
You get your Wega, it\'s sh!t for the amount you pay.
There\'s your spin, it\'s the pot calling the kettle black.
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from the sounds of every PSO interview, the XBox version is going to offer something that the GC won\'t be able to...tons of downloadable content. - AlteredBeast
Altered, I respect your opinions and views.. but you know as well as I do how this is going to turn out. Remember v.1\'s promise of Downloadable quests? Japan got 3 total.. the US got Letter from Lionel.. and you have to download that from other sites on the net.. there\'s no way to get it from PSO itself. Of course, now we\'re PAYING for PSO v.2, and what do we get? 5 new online quests TOTAL, plus 1 new offline quest and a few ports of old Japaneese Quests. (Soul of the BlackSmith, for example.)
Sonic Team can talk all they want, be you and I both know damned well that if history is any example that all their talk dosen\'t add up to a pile of sh*t. Downloads are going to be VERY few and far between.. jus like they are now. Sorry, but that\'s the way it is. Not to mention that (At least, from every report I\'ve read) Xbox\'s PSO is going to be a direct port from the Dreamcast with voice support added. That\'s it. Hardly worth 10 a month, or even 5 a month if you ask me.
BTW: Did anyone happen to nab that other quote about why Sonic Team wouldn\'t be putting PSO on the PS2? It\'s because, they say, that the PS2 has no system to collect user fees. Uhhh DUH.. Neither does the DC or NGC! What kind of stupid excuse is that?? I\'ll get the link from PSO World if anyone wants me to validate the info.
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they arent gonna release PSO on PS2 cause they cant compete with FFXi
simple enough reason
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Billy you are stupid stupid stupid stupid. Reading comprehension isn\'t your strong suit is it? I wish they put an IQ cap on life to wed out half-wits like you.
I said you get what you pay for. Wega isn\'t a good deal, there are better tvs out there for the same money. When I pay that much for a meal, it\'s damn good, it\'s not fast food.
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so how did the topic get changed from "xbox live is now gonna be a rip-off and the only hope for m$ to recoup xbox losses" to "wega TV\'s" and "150$ meals"
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The realization hit people that Sony\'s products are NOT the best made and so they thought another route of annoyance would seem fit.
BTW, I had 3 PSXs and am on my 2nd PS2. Yeah, Sony Products are made like GOLD!! :rolleyes:
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Billy you are stupid stupid stupid stupid. Reading comprehension isn\'t your strong suit is it? I wish they put an IQ cap on life to wed out half-wits like you.
I said you get what you pay for. Wega isn\'t a good deal, there are better tvs out there for the same money. When I pay that much for a meal, it\'s damn good, it\'s not fast food.
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Pure idiocity(sp?) there. You said you get what you pay for. Then you say Sony products aren\'t good for the price you pay. Then you say, it\'s ok to shell out tons of cash to p0ay for Xbox live. Is anyone home, don\'t you realize that your being a hypocrite??
Yep, thought so, good day to ya. :D
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Billy, you are too damn stupid to pick up on what he is talking about.
Sony = you could get a better product for the price you are paying.
XBox Live = there is nothing better, might as well spend the money on it.
Great Food = self explanatory, a greatmeal is something ultimately more satisfying than 9 out of 10 things in this world.
go watch wrestling.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
XBox Live = there is nothing better, might as well spend the money on it.
Ya know, I never understood that. Whats so great about Xbox Live?
Would you mind explaining it to me?
Do you think its good because you pay money?
Id rather play my games online for FREE.
But, you zelots just follow your leader...
Chop chop, be on your way.. Master Bill is calling.
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broadband only (the lowest common denominator in a game is still much higher than 56k)
closed network (hopefully will cut down on cheating)
More exclusive content than any other developer (right now over 50 titles are in development for online in America)
I am sure there are other reasons. All I know ALL of Sega sports will be online with it, along with PSO, Halo 2, Project Gotham 2, Sega GT 2002 (eventually), etc.
Eric Jacob
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closed? i guess you missed the memo that its gonna be shared with PC users
hopefully will cut down on cheating
lol
tsk tsk
yer running out of ammo altered
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
broadband only (the lowest common denominator in a game is still much higher than 56k)
closed network (hopefully will cut down on cheating)
More exclusive content than any other developer (right now over 50 titles are in development for online in America)
I am sure there are other reasons. All I know ALL of Sega sports will be online with it, along with PSO, Halo 2, Project Gotham 2, Sega GT 2002 (eventually), etc.
Eric Jacob
1. If you got broadband then thats great! PS2 supports both (so does GC), but there will still be games that are broadband only (Im thinking of Socom)
2. Sony is already doing something about this. Im not sure how it works but each PS2 will have its on ID of some sort.
3. PS2 has a ****load of online games coming out. Very big titles from the biggest developers.
4. SEGA Sports games will be online on PS2 aswell, and we all know EA will bring Online games to PS2 and not Xbox.
We got GT4, AutoModellista, TimeSplitters 2 (which is exclusive online on PS2 IIRC), the new Ace Combat online, we know that a GTA game will be online, Tribes AA, FFXI, the new MoH game will be online aso.
Plus the one big advantage.. NO FEE!
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regardless, XBox Live will be the best online gaming you can get on a console. You get what you pay for, unlike a Wega, in which a Tau for the same price yields better results.
That was Watchdog\'s point and I have no arguments against that.
"I should hope XBox Live would be better than PS2\'s online gaming, I mean, the system came out over a year later than PS2. In fact, I would be angry if it WASN\'T better" [/mm]
Is that what you were about to say?
Eric Jacob
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actually fastson, it is "no fee on Sony First party, non-online RPG games!!"
Once EA reels some of you gullible bastards in, the fee will kick in. and Xbox only has a start up fee for the first year, just like PS2 and GC have.
PS2 does not have NHL2K2 online, nor PSO, KotOR, Counterstrike, etc.
Counterstrike or Timesplitters 2...hmmmmm.
1. some games will then have slowdown on PS2 if you are playing against a 56k user.
2. that\'s great
3. that\'s great, XBox has more in development
4. That\'s great (really it is, not sarcastic on this one :))
Eric Jacob
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thier online plans are coming out at the same time, why would i bring up when the consoles came out?
:nerd:
xbox does not have ffxi, socom, tmb online etc.etc
do we need to fight over exlcusives?
:rolleyes:
. some games will then have slowdown on PS2 if you are playing against a 56k user.
dude, you cannot be seriously that ignorant to believe this
tell me xbox live will be more successfull than PS2 online
please
i need a good laugh
oh, and wega\'s > anything else
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
actually fastson, it is "no fee on Sony First party, non-online RPG games!!"
Sony has said that its up to the devs.. It will work like on PC. Do you know how it works on PC?
Once EA reels some of you gullible bastards in, the fee will kick in. and Xbox only has a start up fee for the first year, just like PS2 and GC have.
And you know this how? Oh right, you dont.
Its not a fee you pay on Ps2. You buy the Broadband Adapter, you dont need to sign up on anything. The BBA costs $39.99.
On Xbox you buy the "start-up package" which costs $50 (or was it 55?) where you get a whole year on Xbox Live. After a year you must pay $10/month.. But Im sure you know this.
PS2 does not have NHL2K2 online, nor PSO, KotOR, Counterstrike, etc.
Right, and Xbox does not have Socom, Ace Combat, Tribes, REO, TimeSplitters 2 ect.
Counterstrike or Timesplitters 2...hmmmmm.
Its about personal taste.. I already have CS on my PC and I can play it for free and download extra stuff for free. :)
1. some games will then have slowdown on PS2 if you are playing against a 56k user.
How do you know? I heard it worked pretty good on DC.
3. that\'s great, XBox has more in development
There are plenty more in development on PS2 that has not been announced ;) .. Oh and how many of those Xbox online games will be good, ya think?
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I\'ve have come back from wrestling Altered Beast! Yeah! That was fun!
Now I realize my mistake, Mr. Jacob here is a hypocrite as well. You can\'t go around saying you get what you pay for, and then turn around and say Sony\'s products are not worth what you pay. Hmmmm, Oxymoron? I think yes.
So shut up, Altered Beast is the kind of trash that I don\'t need to deal with, but in any case, it\'s fun to mess with your limited mind. :D
It\'s not easy being a superhero.;)
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Wega\'s are not better than everything else, that right there shows some pretty blind ignorance. Hell, go to any tech site on the net and they will tell you that you can get better bang for your buck for something else.
So Billy Gunn, what I wanna know now is, were you on top or bottom, or is that even possible with two guys?
fastson - buying the bba is a startup fee, just like the headset is a start up fee. and all the online games must suck since they don\'t come from Square, Sony, or EA, the GODS of online, and games in general. Get a fuckin clue, there is such things as preference. and with things like XBox Live (which has more games) you get more choices.
Better go buy my Wega, I love seeing all those pixels and lines while I am playing through component! hahaha Tau makes Wega it\'s ***** any day.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
Now I realize my mistake, Mr. Jacob here is a hypocrite as well. You can\'t go around saying you get what you pay for, and then turn around and say Sony\'s products are not worth what you pay. Hmmmm, Oxymoron? I think yes.
That\'s not an Oxymoron..
Hetero-sexual Billy Gunn <<<--- Oxymoron
Counterstrike or Timesplitters 2...hmmmmm.
And who the hell wants to play Counter-Strike on a Console?? Shouldnt everyone who has broadband and plays videogames anyway already HAVE counter-strike? or at least the majority of them.. why the hell would they play it via X-Box?? Dumbest idea ever.. I\'d take TimeSpliters 2 over it anyday :)
Once EA reels some of you gullible bastards in, the fee will kick in. and Xbox only has a start up fee for the first year, just like PS2 and GC have.
Didn\'t MS announce that 3rd parties can charge fees to play games on XBox live on TOP of the XBox live fee?
Wonder what would happen then ;)
some games will then have slowdown on PS2 if you are playing against a 56k user.
Games will generally have occasional slowdown no matter what.. I cant wait to see if Xbox Live actually is \'Lag Free\'
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Anyhoo.. when it comes to online games.... TWISTED METAL WILL OWN J00!!!!
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Wega\'s are not better than everything else, that right there shows some pretty blind ignorance. Hell, go to any tech site on the net and they will tell you that you can get better bang for your buck for something else.
So Billy Gunn, what I wanna know now is, were you on top or bottom, or is that even possible with two guys?
Nowhere in my argument did I state Wegas were better, I was simply getting the point across that you and Watchdog are a bunch of hypocrites.
Sure, PS2 had a bad launch, i accept that, maybe it aint as powerful as XBox, I accept that. You take every hardtime M$ goes through and turn it into a good thing, you have what we call "denial".
X-Box stops manufacturing for a month because sales are really low... "hey, this way they can focus on better games for every XBox owner"
I\'m sick of it. You know it, I know it, it\'s blantant fanboyism. I\'m no idol here, but I can tell when someone says something to spark an argument. You\'ve got to learn to accept the faults.
Perhaps I\'m not the one with homosexual tendenicies, I\'m sorry if I interupted your foreplay with Bill Gates.
Oh and another thing, if you have a problem with me, you can kiss my ass.
Have a nice day! :D
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I was talking to mm about the Wegas, billy. but the argument is still valid against you.
Nobody ever said them stopping manufacturing was good, I just said they are probably manufacturing again since sales were very good last month, tripling their previous month\'s sales. We SURELY didn\'t say they stopped production to focus on making better games for us. That is just stupid and you should have never said that in the first place.
You are a homosexual. You enjoy watching swaety men in speedos perfom action-operas while screaming. And you obviously like men kissing your ass, but that is another story. REread my previous statements.
Eric Jacob
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altered, i dont understand yer hostility
just keep telling them "size shouldnt count" when they point and laugh, ok?
wega\'s > everything else
two reasons
1. i own one
2. sony has a flat screen plant in my town
this forum is not made for you to try and throw yer weight around. yer no better then anyone else, please remember that
haha, obviously mad cause xbox live doesnt seem so "live" anymore
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BTW, I had 3 PSXs and am on my 2nd PS2. Yeah, Sony Products are made like GOLD!!
Someone needs to take better care of their stuff.;)
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mm, I don\'t care that you have a Wega--you didn\'t make a sound purchase, I\'m sorry. Do some research on the web; they are a good TV, but at the price you aren\'t getting your money\'s worth and with some sets you are getting a inferior TV. The best of teh best Wegas are awesome, but you pay way more than if you were to buy the best of the best of another brand (Tosh, Hitachi, etc). If you\'d like I can post some links, but that\'s not really the argument here.
Cut all the crap away with fees etc because the fees will be the same which ever console you have.
The bottom line is that with xbox live you get a less lag (nothing can be lag free) than anything else anywhere (ncluding PCs). You get secure servers (PCs will not share the same space, they will use the same technology/servers. There will be sharing of space for MMOGs, but for most games there isn\'t a PC counterpart and MS has stated repeatedly that they do not want mouse using PC players competing against controller console players.
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PCs will not share the same space, they will use the same technology/servers
yer contradicting yerself
they will consume bandwidth regardless no?
it doesnt matter, not like there\'s gonna be an abundance of players on thier anyways. :rolleyes:
my 36" wega 0wns
its worth every single penny i paid for it
do u have even have a flat screen TV?
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Originally posted by mm
yer contradicting yerself
again??? Will his condridictions come to a stop?
Well, it\'s fun messing w/ Watchdog and Mr. Jacob, they must have some chip that blocks them from understanding the good and the bad.
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If this XBox Live isnt the worst idea i have ever heard. Now games like madden that are free online must be paid for if you have an XBox. Seriously who thought of this system?
I hate you m$
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Originally posted by square_marker
If this XBox Live isnt the worst idea i have ever heard. Now games like madden that are free online must be paid for if you have an XBox. Seriously who thought of this system?
heh.. perhaps if XBox\'s Madden game actually was online.. ;)
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Yeah I have a Tosh HDTV.
They\'ll be plenty of bandwidth to go around. I thought you meant playing hte same games vs each other.
I can\'t believe you guys are *****ing and moaning about $120 a year. A YEAR! If that money let\'s me play a relatively lag free game online with my friends, then it\'s worth every penny.
You can also get dial up for 5-10 bucks a month. How many of you choose to do that? Few, I\'d say. You can\'t rightly say you\'ll pay for broadband, but then say XBL is too expensive. Xbox online will have leagues, world rankings, game rankings, stats, friend list, chat, paging...you getting something fully featured, and reliable. Well worth the 50 cents a day it\'ll cost you.
PS2 will be dial up/broadband. Yes it\'s free, but for how long? And what if they start charging? When asked directly, they said it\'ll be free initially, and then avoided the question. When they start charging, you have a second rate service with a fee.
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hihi.. First they were bashing PS2, now they are bashing the WEGAs..
I paid about $1966 for my 32" WEGA (KV-32FX60E - yes its a older model now) when it was new.
And it has been worth every damn cent if you ask me. The quality when watching DVDs blows every other TV\'s away. (or playing games for that matter)
Ive read on professional DVDforums and they all say the same thing.. If you got the money get a WEGA.
Panasonic, Philips, Thomson dont even come close to Sonys Flatscreen TV Tubes.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
XBox Live = there is nothing better, might as well spend the money on it.
XBox Live = there is nothing better ?
yeah right ... thats on the same level as saying
yeah there is nothing better than paying to be Car jacked at Gun point and then Bu**ered up the @sre.
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oh yeah, i forgot
no EA games for xbox live as of yet
tsk tsk
"well, we\'ve got seka nfl 2k3 and thats better than madden"
yeah, keep putting that spin on it :rolleyes:
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Some here are forgetting a big factor when prices of any products are concern: name recognition[/u]. Saying that Sony products are overpriced might be true - but then we can go on and argue why Hugo Boss, Armani, Denon, Nike, Addidas and other big brands are so damn expensive. :rolleyes:
Anyone know how expensive it is to make a pair of Addidas shoes? Or where they are made? Yup - and then, go have a look how expensive they are in the shops. Sony products may be overpriced, but their products remain usually on top when compared to other cheaper products. Sure there are better/more expensive and worse/cheaper WEGA\'s outthere, but get me a TV with that many functions, that picture quality and easy-to-use menus not to mention the support you get. Sure aren\'t that many, I\'m sure.
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Again Watchdog, like YOU said, you get what you pay for, no exceptions. If you were getting ripped off, you\'d know it. Like I said, you get what you pay for, you just have to know what your getting.
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Again Watchdog, like YOU said, you get what you pay for, no exceptions. If you were getting ripped off, you\'d know it. Like I said, you get what you pay for, you just have to know what your getting.
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Okay, Billy, I was going to let this go, because I kind of feel sorry for you. I didn\'t say no exceptions, but anyway. With Wegas like Seven said, they are overpriced--you can get a similarily equipped TV for much much less. You say my big contradiction was I like to eat at expensive restaurants...okay. Yes there are cheaper places out there to eat (Burger King), but until BK starts serving pan seered, marinated, jumbo garlic shrimp, lobster Tails or Chicken Saint-Florent, there isn\'t no comparison so it\'s not a contradiction.
Seriously, though you have to be the stupidest person on this forum. I know it\'s sounds like a flame, but I can\'t think of anyone else that posts such vapid, unintelligent responces. There are people here that I argue with and are annoying, but you are beyond that. I putting you on my ignore list, because I get stupider just talking to you.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
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Again Watchdog, like YOU said, you get what you pay for, no exceptions. If you were getting ripped off, you\'d know it. Like I said, you get what you pay for, you just have to know what your getting.
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Okay, Billy, I was going to let this go, because I kind of feel sorry for you. I didn\'t say no exceptions, but anyway. With Wegas like Seven said, they are overpriced--you can get a similarily equipped TV for much much less. You say my big contradiction was I like to eat at expensive restaurants...okay. Yes there are cheaper places out there to eat (Burger King), but until BK starts serving pan seered, marinated, jumbo garlic shrimp, lobster Tails or Chicken Saint-Florent, there isn\'t no comparison so it\'s not a contradiction.
Seriously, though you have to be the stupidest person on this forum. I know it\'s sounds like a flame, but I can\'t think of anyone else that posts such vapid, unintelligent responces. There are people here that I argue with and are annoying, but you are beyond that. I putting you on my ignore list, because I get stupider just talking to you.
w00t! I made Watchdogs list.
There must be some sort of block in his brain. You can\'t go around calling me the stupidest person on the forum when I make perfect sense. Go back to your little clique of Watchdog/Alteredbeast/pstwo/rastalant, and I\'ll enjoy myself here. What, you\'ve been here less than a year? Your calling an elder member stupid, tssk tssk, at least Altered Beast can insult people correctly.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
I know it\'s sounds like a flame, but I can\'t think of anyone else that posts such vapid, unintelligent responces.
the answer to that would be CLOWD:D.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
heh.. perhaps if XBox\'s Madden game actually was online.. ;)
aaaa shut up! it will be sometime in 04 probably.....my point is, you will have to pay to play damnmit!
sucks to be an xbox owner :laughing:
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Originally posted by square_marker
sucks to be an xbox owner :laughing:
it sure does...
<------ X-Box Owner :(
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I WANT AN XBOX!!!!
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If anyone truly believes Billy has an xbox raise your hand... :rolleyes:
My point is that I like video games. It\'s a hobby that I both enjoy and parttake in often. I spent thousands of dollars on 5.1, HDTV, furnature, and games. These things make my experience more enjoyable. The money is well spent.
Sure I could have opted to get a good non-HDTV tube and still enjoyed my hobby. I could have settled for my old bookshelf speakers and I would still have fun. My old recliner was fine, but instead I picked the HTT9 by interactive health (with a little help from Santa :)) and very nearly spent double on a higher end model. Certainly, these things are also used for movies and other things, but video games was a key factor.
The apex of video games right now is online. The online experience extends any game\'s life almost indefinitely. Anyone who has played online can scarcely refute this.
But the bane of any online game is lag. Lag kills the fun and makes it frustrating. If you want to look at only next year, if spending $50 will give me a better experience, less lag, secure servers and an entire community devoted to stat tracking, content downloads and reliability, then it\'s a paltry sum.
If it makes finding my friends on line easy and getting into a game quickly, it\'s well worth it. If I can play a FPS without worrying about lag kills, map hackers, and aim bots, then the $50 is worth it by itself.
If after a year, I find that the PS2 is a better option, there isn\'t anything lost beyond the $50. I would have spend less than any PS2 owner for that first year. I will also be able to play the best of both systems.
I still can\'t see how XBL is so bad. Is $50 that precious to all you guys? Doesn\'t the fact that you\'ll have to spend a couple hundred dollars up front just to go online worry you even a little--keeping in mind that all these "extras" you are buying come stock with an xbox?
All I see here are a bunch of threatened people lashing out at anything that could potentially be an asset to MS. There is no basis to your arguments. I can\'t believe that you are so impoverished that the $50 XBL fee will severely diminish your quality of life.
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You callin me a liar??? j/k
seriously though, I ownz a X-Box since da launch.
I ownz only 3 gamez though.
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The apex of video games right now is online.
wrong, its gameplay
something most xbox games lack
how do we feel threatened by xbox?
if anything, its fodder for amusement
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I still can\'t see how XBL is so bad. Is $50 that precious to all you guys? Doesn\'t the fact that you\'ll have to spend a couple hundred dollars up front just to go online worry you even a little--keeping in mind that all these "extras" you are buying come stock with an xbox? - Watchdog
I don\'t think you understand Watchdog, that while XBox Live may be a better service to those with DSL in their area.. broadband still isn\'t in the majority of American homes. Many people couldn\'t adopt even if they wanted to. Now, for those like me, the cost stackup would be something like this.
Ps2: $40 Modem, Harddrive $80 - 100 (Speculated, only the Linux kit is 200), KB & Mouse $5 - 30 (Old cheapie PS/2 KB\'s can be converted to USB for pennies, and used on the PS2)
Xbox: $50 Xbox Live service, Microphone (No price since I\'m not sure if that\'s included or not), DSL line.. which even at a dollar a foot to bury the line.. would end up in the thousands since I live over 10 miles away from the closest DSL router.
Of course, I could opt for Satellite DSL from DirecTV. That\'s only, $80 for the modem (comes in the package), $40 for the service, $20 for an outside ISP (to send packets).. and guess what.. Aww.. Since my modem only uploads at like 2.4-3.8kb/s MAX I won\'t meet the requirements for Xbox Live.
Third option, I could just move to the city. Sure, I\'d be paying twice as much for rent and all my utilities (since i\'d be leaving roommates) but I\'d be able to play Xbox Live! Yay! Too bad I\'ll end up paying quite a bit more than I would if I just used the PS2 for my online gaming fix.
Now of course, this isn\'t the case for everyone. But neither is Xbox\'s "great value". That\'s something that really pisses me off about the Xbox. They could have gone the Sony/Sega/Nintnedo route and made Xbox games that are broadband only and some that allow both.
It\'s funny, but you know that if Sony had opted to go broadband only like they planned on in the beginning, there would be no end to hell they\'d catch for it. Yet Xbox spin doctors are out in full force and noone really seems to care. Sure, it\'s going to be a superior service.. but at the cost of 3/4 or more of their potential userbase.
*Shrugs*
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Wrong, it\'s online gameplay.
And you\'re wrong again (not to mention terribly jaded :)), there are plenty of xbox games that offer great gameplay.
And you feel threatened because you take every liberty to put it down. If you weren\'t bias, if you were completely openminded, you would view XBL as a potentially great experience--not one that is heinously overpriced and doomed to failure.
At worst you would be cautiously optimistic. But, again, you\'re not, it\'s doomed according to you, already dead.
And that makes no sense.
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not one that is heinously overpriced and doomed to failure.
i wouldnt say its doomed to fail
its just far from the " be all end all" online service you guys fluff it out to be
im not an optimist
im a realist
i also refuse to pay to play online games that should be free
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I can appreciate your point of view.
And I don\'t think XBL is the be all and end all--for one BB isn\'t as fast as it has to be to get gamers to where they want to go, but it is a step in the right direction (the future).
I refuse to pay for something that should be free too. If XBL was dial up, I wouldn\'t pay either. But XBL is offering something that has never been offered before. Dedicaed servers, downloadable content, high speed only, etc etc I don\'t have the give the pitch again.
People pay for MMOGs because of the servers and the bandwidth costs, XBL is no different. Like I said, XBL has the potential to be far and away the best online gaming experience this generation. If it lives up to the potential remains to be seen, but I\'m willing to pay teh 50 bucks to give it a try.
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Does Xbox online support 56k? I forgot, a lot of people can\'t afford BB so it would suck if it didn\'t.
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Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
Does Xbox online support 56k? I forgot, a lot of people can\'t afford BB so it would suck if it didn\'t.
That\'s a big fat NOPE. No 56k for XBL people. Big mistake, IMO... :( Maybe next generation they could have pulled BB only off, but not this one.
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And yet another page in the continuing saga: "Dumb as they Come" Billy Gunn.
I like the all BB decision. Devs can focus on optimization, and hopefully lag will be kept to an absolute minimum.
It splits the market, and MS won\'t make as much money, but it\'s better for gamers. Plus it\'s an indication that MS is serious and is building for the future. When the next generation comes around, the infastructure will be in place and everything will be ready from day 1.
And frankly, while they have my pity, I could care less about the people without BB--they ruin online games, if they\'re not whining about the unfairness of it all, they\'re warping all over the place and slowing things down.
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i knew it didn\'t support 56k, I thought it would be funnier if someone else answered.
"Dumb as they Come" how original. Watchdog your just sooooooooooooooooo cool. Doesn\'t everyone agree?
I\'m stupid and Watchdog is the genius. Just like Clowd, who could back up anything he said with facts, and everyone else who was just wrong.
(Note: HEAVY USAGE OF SARCASM)
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lol, you make this far too easy. From the person who brought us: "Real life is faker than wrestling", comes this little gem:
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i knew it didn\'t support 56k, I thought it would be funnier if someone else answered.
"Dumb as they Come" how original. Watchdog your just sooooooooooooooooo cool. Doesn\'t everyone agree?
I\'m stupid and Watchdog is the genius. Just like Clowd, who could back up anything he said with facts, and everyone else who was just wrong.
(Note: HEAVY USAGE OF SARCASM)
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Tarzan?? Is that you?
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Perhaps Billy Gunn would like a nice warm cup of SHUT THE HELL UP!
:)
Ok, heres my take on it. I plan on playing my PS2 online, thats $40 (US) for the adapter, $400 (AUS) for the Cable modem installation (:( im currently on 56k) and $70 (AUS) a month for the cable modem.
This is mainly for gaming (although Web-browsing and other factors come into it). So all of a sudden XBox Live did look more attractive.
But I also must consider.. how much time do i plan on spending playing games online? and how many games am i going to play? Twisted Metal, SOCOM and Twisted Metal will fill my needs. Plus others.
Once Final Fantasy XI comes out, thats another $80 (US) and $10 (? US) a month. This is all plus the cost of the games.
Now to XBox Live. One payment of $50 (US) up front, free XBox Live for a year, only the price of the games. That\'s a great deal, i dont know how anyone (with Broadband) can really deny that. Why it completely nullifies the entire "PS2 Online requires you to buy an add-on" arguement.. who cares (we arent discussing who will win, are we?)?? You get to play some great games online.
But I\'m still thinking about whether or not i will get it. PS2 has plenty of online games that (IMO) are more appealing.. and i wasnt really thinking about getting the games that will be great (online) for Xbox.. I guess it all depends on how much time i have on my hands and the quality of online play.
IMO, it all comes down to games.. and Sony has games that (for online play) interest me more than XBox does. So that is obviously my priority. I guess I\'ll have to wait and see.
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Dedicaed servers
sega dreamcast used dedicated servers for some of its games and they didnt charge till the very end
pc games have been using dedicated servers for years and do they charge?
no matter what we say, xbox live will always be a ripoff to me watch
just wait till more and more devs back out (EA) or charge additional (PSO) and we\'ll see what happens
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They key is that Sega started charging. Sega was desperate, they gave their console away, they gave away online play, they had more discounts than I can count.
True PC games have been free, but there aren\'t many dedicated servers (Blizzard comes to mind). But the whole interent econmony is changing. How many websites have shut down or started charging? How much longer do you think these dedicated servers will be free? Blizzard has alread stated that Diablo3 may have charges to play online to offset the server costs.
EA dropped out because they made a deal with Sony. EA has been down on MS before xbox was released. The only reason PSO has charges is because it\'s a MMOG and Sega is desperate for money. Plus, like I\'ve said, if Capcom starts charging for their games online, that charge will carry over to the PS2 as well.
When that happens you have a charge on a dial up service. Think about that. How good will PS2 online look then?
With XBL you are paying for a faster, secure, complete community to play on. The only reason Sony is not charging is because they can\'t. They can\'t ask their players to pay for all the extras that they need to get the machine online and then pay for a dial up service.
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Watchdog, what are you like 5 years old? Your acting like a baby, please do me a favor stop focusing your post on personal insults towards me, instead focus them on what I say. Sure this is the forum where you can let it all out, but is that why you come here?
So go ahead, make your jokes, your insults. I wont be the one to turn away, It\'s fun making fun of the failures of M$ and seeing you react so personally. I\'m giving you fair warning, stay out of my way or you\'ll end up like Jumpman.
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Lol, I love internet threats. Haha, thanks for that Dumb as They Come.
And I do focus on what you say--it\'s what you say that makes you look like such a moron. I\'ve argued with Seven, mm, Ryu, etc, but I respect them. You, you\'re a half wit and that\'s good too.
:laughing:
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This is the line
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cross it, and you\'ll be in more trouble than you ask for.
Listen, I understand your unhappy that I made you look like an idiot. The truth is, I don\'t feel like argueing with you anymore, it\'s pointless. Look at the people you insult...
mm <-- been here since the begining
fastson <-- march 2000 way b4 your time here
me <-- Sept 2000 a whole year b4 you
you shouldn\'t go around insulting people you don\'t know all that well. Watchdog, this is it, I\'m putting this stupid argument behind me and moving on. I\'m done, go argue with someone else. No, I\'m not putting you on ignore, cause it\'s fun to read your "tall tales", but I\'m not going to stick my nose in your business if you don\'t stick yours in mine. I started this, and I\'ll finish it.
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56k gaming would be a waste of time. I\'m glad M$ is going for all BB. Its taking onling gaming in the right direction. For those that don\'t have BB.:(
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Yeah, i feel sorry for the majority of the UK who don\'t have BB.
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Billy.. dude.. i can\'t believe you actually drew a ****ing line man... youre such a dork.
:)
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I don\'t insult mm. And the only one you made look like an idiot is yourself. And more internet threats, lol DATC, you are a piece of work, bereft of intelligence, but a piece of work none-the-less.
I hope I crossed the line because I need some more laughs.
Bozco, yeah I feel the same way. They won\'t have as many subscribers, but it\'s good for the people with BB. I\'m not sure I\'d make that decision, but I\'m glad they did.
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For those that don\'t have BB
yeah like 80% of the online word
remember the "numbers" discussion we had
how the percentages went down
xbox owners that
- that have a broadband connection
- that want to pay extra money above thier 45$/month BB fee
- that have a router
- that have thier xbox close for a network connection
- that even care about online gaming
smaller and smaller and smaller the number become
oh, and i wish to god you would quit calling xbox live a "secure" connection. seriously, think of what yer saying
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I know the numbers. I know how little actually have BB but 56k gaming online isn\'t the future. We don\'t want lag in our gaming.
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Dont even try to defend yourself billy gun, your talking to death ears.
Once one goes against you, the rest follow until someone steps up for you.
They will just rag on everything you say from now on.
The funny thing is me and you cant post certain things, but other members of this forum can without being flamed. Pathetic.
Why are me and Vivi not posting here anymore? This is why.
They\'ll continue to call you an idiot as long as your opinion differs from their own, or as long as they think it makes them look \'cool\'
Join me and Vivi and leave
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LOTS[\\b] of people here have opinions that differ from mine. The difference is that DATCBG is a half-wit.
The thing is you are talking about gamers. There are hundreds of thousands of gamers that are upgrading their computers two and three times a year. Money isn\'t an issue.
And you know what, we could make a list of things that work against the PS2 online too.
How many are will to buy a modem?
How many are willing to buy a HD?
How many are willing to buy a headset?
What happens to performance when someone wants to surf the internet while someone else wants to play a game?
How many care about online gaming?
How many care about dial up online gaming?
And xbox has been marketed as an online ready console. It was marketed that way from the begining. Many people who bought it, did so just for the online aspect.
It\'s all about perspective.
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i hope you arent under the impression that BB is lag free
NO connection is lag free
BB > dial up when it comes to raw speed
i dont care if yer on a T3, if the server is 20 hops away (not unreasonable), yer gonna have lag
tracert some sites and see what happens
(tracert host from a command prompt in case noone knows)
mine using yahoo.com
C:\\>tracert yahoo.com
Tracing route to yahoo.com [66.218.71.112]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 15 ms 14 ms 8 ms 10.17.36.1
2 21 ms 8 ms 12 ms 24.50.161.6
3 11 ms 10 ms 12 ms 24.48.8.117
4 19 ms 16 ms 17 ms 24.48.8.61
5 18 ms 14 ms 10 ms g1-02-00-00.r0.pit00.adelphiacom.net [66.109.11.
133]
6 29 ms 32 ms 36 ms p3-01-01-00.n0.phl00.adelphiacom.net [66.109.0.1
21]
7 65 ms 72 ms 72 ms p3-01-00-00.n0.chi00.adelphiacom.net [66.109.0.1
4]
8 86 ms 89 ms 86 ms p3-00-01-00.n0.den00.adelphiacom.net [66.109.0.3
4]
9 116 ms 115 ms 113 ms p3-00-01-00.n0.sea00.adelphiacom.net [66.109.0.6
1]
10 135 ms 130 ms 132 ms p3-00-01-00.n0.sjc75.adelphiacom.net [66.109.0.2
9]
11 137 ms 138 ms 140 ms p3-00-00-00.r0.sjc75.adelphiacom.net [66.109.0.1
34]
12 142 ms 139 ms 140 ms unk-426d0e96.adelphiacom.net [66.109.14.150]
13 133 ms 133 ms 136 ms 66.170.128.150
14 133 ms 138 ms 137 ms vl16.bas1.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.64.146]
15 134 ms 138 ms 134 ms w1.rc.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.71.112]
Trace complete.
C:\\>
oh imagine that, 134 ms
hope i didnt step all over yer hopes
:P
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Hey, read a little above, I know it won\'t be lag free. But if I were using dial up it would be even worse. My point is that bb is faster, plain and simple.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
LOTS[\\b] of people here have opinions that differ from mine. The difference is that DATCBG is a half-wit.
Who makes you the judge of whos an idiot an whos not?
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My point is that bb is faster, plain and simple
but thats common knowledge, and a moot point
it allows for faster data bandwidth, not eradication of lag
it will reduce it somewhat, yes but its not like we\'re all on some magic network and little gnomes carry our packets to thier destination in the blink of an eye
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Lol, of course not mm. But like I said, I\'m willing to pay that minimal fee for less lag and all the other promised extras with XBL.
Plus, I\'ve played a lot of online with my PC and lag was pretty minimal most days. XBL should be better or at least the same.
Clowd, I never said I was the judge. If you\'d prefer, IMO DATCBG is a complete moron. One of the simplest human beings I\'ve ever had the displeasure of conversing with.
There, I\'m not a judge, just some guy with an opinion.
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promised extras with XBL
oh you mean the :
"pay ONE fee to play ALL games" promised extra?
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Yes, any game using the XBL servers are under that fee. Sega\'s PSO is not on XBL servers and thus doesn\'t count. That\'s a Sega decision, not MS.
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Originally posted by mm
whats pathetic watch, is xbox zealots claiming xbox live is the shiznet cause its one fee AND ONE DAMN FEE ONLY, and then when reality rears its ugly head, they go into self defense mode and get hostile
well, this defines this thread, no questions asked. God job mm, you summed up this whole thread in the first page and yet we still ramble on about it. Why?
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Because we have nothing better to do :rolleyes:
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Watchdog, I was going to write a long complicated post, but instead I\'ll just quote a great flash movie and say
STFU N00B!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
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Because, it doesn\'t sum it all up. mm\'s is a cynic\'s view point.
lol Solid Snake.
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watchdog = correct again
im far beyond cynical
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Originally posted by mm
oh you mean the :
"pay ONE fee to play ALL games" promised extra?
you forgot the Plus 51% of Your Soul ;)
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As soon as you go online with the xbox...they will probably force a windows media player dl on your a$$, thus m$ has complete control over your entire xbox.
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OMFG, I was reading this thread and I just had to post. Although I read 100x more than I post, i feel this is deserved. X-Box Live is the most retarded thing I\'ve heard of, "one fee for all". Watchdog, you must be some sort of M$ agent. Billy was right, your acting like a 5 year old, grow up. As far as X-Box live, why pay and pay again? BB only, less lag? That\'s what you think. I think it\'s a bunch of garbage.
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Originally posted by Tidus
OMFG, I was reading this thread and I just had to post. Although I read 100x more than I post, i feel this is deserved. X-Box Live is the most retarded thing I\'ve heard of, "one fee for all". Watchdog, you must be some sort of M$ agent. Billy was right, your acting like a 5 year old, grow up. As far as X-Box live, why pay and pay again? BB only, less lag? That\'s what you think. I think it\'s a bunch of garbage.
Haha.. I too read this.. And I do have to agree with you.
Lots of people wanna SAVE money not blow it away... Really your like saying "I have crap loads of money and I\'m cool cause I spend more then you all.. But it\'s worth every penny." Money well spent.. When others see it as a total rip-off.
Sure Xbox will get more stuff with the downloadables.. But how much money are you spending to get something so small?
Sorry I just find it retarded for M$ to exclude people who can\'t get BB.:mad:
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which is a vast majority of users
thats why m$ decided as an afterthought to allow PC users to share it
after sinking A BILLION dollars into xbox live, someone has to take advantage of it
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You guys make it sound like it\'s a tremendous amount of money. it isn\'t. $100/year isn\'t going to change anyone\'s life. If it does, then you have my pity.
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why pay and pay again? BB only, less lag? That\'s what you think. I think it\'s a bunch of garbage.
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I don\'t quite understand this. There will be less lag. There will be dedicated servers. There will be downloadable content. There will be online rankings, tournaments, stat tracking etc. etc. If MS delivers all this, then it\'s worth it.
I don\'t have lots of money--it doesn\'t take much to play video games, and certainly there are more expensive hobbies. If you feel that the extra $10 a month is going to change your quality of life, then be my guest, damn XBL to hell.
But when Sony starts charging, and they will, I\'m going to remind all you about the most "retarded " thing you\'ve ever heard of and watch all of you eat it up like the Sony lap dogs you are.
I still don\'t understand how spending a couple hundred dollars on hardware required to get your PS2 online is different. I don\'t understand why you think that\'s okay, when the xbox came equipped with all that, for essencially nothing.
Fast forward to a year or two when there are several million people playing on Sony\'s service. How long before Sony executives do the math and start charging? There was an interview where an exec was asked about pricing, he dodged the question and stated something like they wouldn\'t charge initially or something like that. Sounds dubious to me.
But in the mean time enjoy your dial up gaming, and that extra 33 cents a day. :rolleyes:
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its only $40 required to get your PS2 online :)
HDD is a doomed failure for FFXI and possibly one or two other doomed games.
And youre not allowed to rub it into me Watchdog! Im looking forward to it! I\'ll have Cable so im not complaining.
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I find xbox live a lot better than what PS2 has played for online. Watchdog has basically fought my arguement. Not that any of you are listening though.
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But when Sony starts charging, and they will, I\'m going to remind all you about the most "retarded " thing you\'ve ever heard of and watch all of you eat it up like the Sony lap dogs you are.
but this will never happen, see
watchdog, we\'ll just have to wait and see what happens
the PS2 online community will have sheer numbers above and beyond what xbox could possess
non mmorpg online gaming should be free
its been free on the pc for many years
why should m$ try and change this?
oh yeah, cause they are the nazi\'s of the new age
so, have fun paying all that money (hope you have a router too, if not, thats another 60$), im gonna be playing for completely free
*has sudden thoughts of the the movie called "the omen" and wants to check watchdogs scalp for a little green x*
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
its only $40 required to get your PS2 online :)
HDD is a doomed failure for FFXI and possibly one or two other doomed games.
And youre not allowed to rub it into me Watchdog! Im looking forward to it! I\'ll have Cable so im not complaining.
Havent you heard already Mr. Wanker?
FFXI has sold almost 100 000 sold ex (wont know for sure untill Square releases a press release though), pretty damn good for a MMORPG. (IN ONE COUNTRY..)
So I wouldnt call it a failure just yet ;)
Oh yeah, and FFX rawks! :D :D
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fw1.480.telia.com%2F%7Eu48019550%2Fps2%2Fffx%2Fneu%2F5.jpg&hash=8e013e1c6bd10c1602b6c9157724508dfdac20de)
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bah, chocobo eater
took me 10 tries to get him to fall off the edge, then to realize the prize was barely worth it
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Originally posted by mm
bah, chocobo eater
took me 10 tries to get him to fall off the edge, then to realize the prize was barely worth it
Bah, I didn’t make it the first try so he pushed me off and I didn’t bother loading either.
What was the prize? A High Potion? ;)
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Why should people pay for mmogs? Because there are quality servers running the game.
MS is providing servers. I don\'t see the difference.
You can play for free using xboxconnect or gamespy tunnel which is essencially the same thing that Sony is offering.
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Because there are quality servers running the game
bah, not true
define "quality servers"
they constantly update content (new quests, etc), thats why they charge, no other reason
does EA charge for thier pc online games? Id? Blizzard?
think of the most popular online games that are completely free for PC and tell me again why i should pay M$ fee to play online?
unreal tournament - free
half life counter strike - free
diablo 1 and 2 - free
quake 1 , 2, and 3 - free
seeing a pattern here?
m$ is charging for xbox live for one reason , and one reason only
to recoup money from piss poor (© ooseven 2002) xbox sales
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Yes, I don\'t see a pattern.
unreal tournament uses public/user servers
half life counter strike uses public/user servers
quake 1 , 2, and 3 uses public/user servers
diablo 1 uses public/user servers
diablo 2 - free
Blizard has already said D3 will not be free. Like I said, the economic model is changing.
It\'s not because of new content, it\'s because of the server costs--that point has been well documented. Besides, XBL is advertised to have free downloadable content and there are servers. So both arguments for a chargable service are covered.
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Don\'t you see Watchdog, you can\'t win! Logic, proof, and well-thought out arguments are easily killed around here with the ignorance and asinine assumptions.
This is why I stopped arguing on this subject. Everytime I would harp on or bring up a good point, idiocy prevails.
Eric Jacob
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no altered, you simply ran out of ammo
i think you should change yer user title to "pot calling the kettle black". it fits you perfectly
D3 is moving to a pay system cause of the way they want to take the gameplay. thier moving towards a mmorpg type level system where they can control EVERYTHING to prevent cheating. thats why they are charging.
do you think counter strike would be the number one played online game in the world if people had to pay for it?
would UT be played if there was a charge?
m$\'s business model is moving towards paying for everything
windows 98 plus, windows XP plus, etc..
sense them charing for content that should be free, yes?
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It\'s funny you mention that about D3, you must work at Blizzard because as of now absolutely no information has been released concerning the thrid installment. There has been no mention about it going MMOG. I would think World of Warcraft would fill that void, seeing as it is essencially Diablo. But that\'s just me.
There was however, an interview with Blizzard and they said the costs of maintaining the D2 servers had become enormous and that in all likelihood they would not offer a free service in the future.
They left it at that even when asked to elaborate.
Have you tried to play CS, Q or UT lately? I dare you to go into a public game. You cannot walk two feet without running into an aimbot, a map hack or game cheat. You call this fun? Same thing with Diablo, everyone has duped equipment and radar hacks. This too is not fun.
If you think it is, be my guest. Fire up a game. I\'d much prefer to pay for security and speed.
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It\'s funny you mention that about D3, you must work at Blizzard because as of now absolutely no information has been released concerning the thrid installment.
Thats funny, considering you view Diablo as the same as Warcraft..
I would think World of Warcraft would fill that void, seeing as it is essencially Diablo.
What makes you know more regarding the subject, when you don\'t even know the subject.
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about it going MMOG.
i didnt say it was going MMORPG. its taking on its form
i dont have any problems with cheating in online games
must be the servers yer on
find some skill hiding down thier with yer pessimism, make some friends, and play on private servers (for free that is)
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mm, I tried, you tried, I made that point that Altered Beast was a hypocrite days ago, but they just turned hostile. I figure, why bother anymore, it turns to name calling and hostility. Please ignore me if you just going to insult me.
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No, Billy, it\'s just you Dumbass. I respect mm.
Chrono, as usual, is posting unintelligible stuff. I can read it, it\'s english, but have no idea what point he is trying to make.
Again how do you know what state it\'s taking? D2 was essencially a MMOG (without persistence) and they didn\'t charge. I\'m not what you are actually saying. I\'ll repeat, they are charging because of escalating server costs. That\'s all the news about D3 released at the moment.
Lol, no problem, eh? Whatever.
And like I said, use xboxconnect or gamespytunnel, it\'s free. I choose to use the superior service though.
Talk about skill? Anytime you want to fire UT, let me know and I\'ll see you on Deck16. :)
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Originally posted by Watchdog
No, Billy, it\'s just you Dumbass.
It\'s good to know we have intelligent members like you to write complete sentences.:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
It\'s good to know we have intelligent members like you to write complete sentences.:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
just shut up Billy.. Your making things worse!:laughing:
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So mm he ran out of ammo? Watchdog has brought up good point after good point yet it seems like it just flies over your head. I agree with Altered completely.
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actually, ive stated before
that watch and I dont really argue about anything
its gotten to the point where we\'re actually on the same level just headed different directions
completley agreeing with altered tho? *shudder*
then may god have pity on yer soul, boz
:)
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D2 gonna cost money now? That sux......it sorta was my favorite online game...... *sigh* too bad :(
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D3 you mean
its not confirmed, and i think it would be foolish for them to do so
they want security above all else (kinda like m$, where they sacrifice functionality)
the want D3 to be COMPLETELY controlled which means storing all character and game data on THIER servers to discourage cheating (which it probably wont).
when they charge a monthly fee, it will restrict purchases
i wont buy thier game if thier gonna charge monthly to play it, and there\'s millions and millions out there that think the same. i paid over 50$ for D2 and i can play online for free.
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Paying for playing is fine if the game runs smooth and the cheating is nil. If they want to charge for D3 and it runs like butter (the first day, even) and the cheating is killed, then even I would play, and I don\'t enjoy any Blizzard games.
The same goes with XBox Live. You are paying for the quality of the service. Only with this you get many variances in types of games and their manufacturers. I really don\'t care that EA isn\'t (at this time) making online titles for XBox since I haven\'t really enjoyed one of their console games for a long time.
Eric Jacob
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you, as a single person dont
EA completely dominates the sports genre, and sells MILLIONS and MILLIONS of titles that (almost definately) wont appear on xbox live
untill you put that money down and login, you cannot call it quality of service. m$ is baiting you guys, im sorry you dont see it
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unless of course they start losing money on console online games because they don\'t charge at first, then what will they do? Whip out the "We make ALL the games you love. Gives us 10 bucks a month and you can play them online." card. With XBox Live, doesn\'t MS give lower fees to developers who add online functions to their games? This means EA would make money off of putting online games on XBox without doing anything other than put the code in.
Eric Jacob
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http://www.zone.com
Non premium games have been free for years there.
Microsoft doesnt charge for these games
But charges for online x box games
They arent even serious about your business with x box, they are just trying to slow Sony down
pfft
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yeah, im sure EA will be kicking themselves in the arse cause millions and millions of gamers will pay 45$ for madden 2003 and not charging them 10$/month
:rolleyes:
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*dances*
OHHHH BABY! YOURE THE ONE FOOOR ME! LETS SING TOGETHER! LIKE WERE SEXING A TREE! OHHHH BABY BABY BABY! I LOVE YOUR SWEATER! TURTLE NECKS ARE HOT! YOU SMELL LIKE CABBAGE! LETS PLAY DOT TO DOT
*flails arms wildly*
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
*dances*
OHHHH BABY! YOURE THE ONE FOOOR ME! LETS SING TOGETHER! LIKE WERE SEXING A TREE! OHHHH BABY BABY BABY! I LOVE YOUR SWEATER! TURTLE NECKS ARE HOT! YOU SMELL LIKE CABBAGE! LETS PLAY DOT TO DOT
*flails arms wildly*
Take that blunt out of your hand and take a cold shower
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This debate was over before it even started. Some of you can\'t leave that mindset of Sony this, Sony that.
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D2 stored all character data on Blizzard servers and it was much better. You simply could not play D1 without a hacked character--everyone was cheating and it ruined the game.
Now to take care of the simpletons:
Oh, and Billy, I was using Dumbass as a noun, so it was a complete sentence. LOL, maybe you should just stop posting in english, it seems to be your downfall.
And Chrono, World of Warcraft is a hack and slash Diabloesque MMOG. You should really only talk to Billy Gunn around here, you and him are intellectual equals.
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Good spin dawg, but if you were using the word that way theres still some word missing completing the sentence.
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No, Billy, it\'s just you Dumbass.
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You think so do you? Please then, complete my sentence. Just when I think I\'ve met the stupidest person, you say something else and I meet him all over again.
The only thing that is possibly missing from that sentence is a comma before Dumbass, but even that is getting slowly worked out of the language.
But seriously Billy Dumb, do you even notice the crap you write? Take this last little gem of the english language:
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Good spin dawg, but if you were using the word that way theres still some word missing completing the sentence.
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Again, I must ask, is that you Tarzan?
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Semantics. *yawn*
You both should be ashamed of yourselfs. ;)
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Originally posted by IronFist
Semantics. *yawn*
You both should be ashamed of yourselfs. ;)
Its yourselves, not your yourselfs. I thought I would go along with the asshole spirit.
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good lord, a thread has seriously gone downhill when people start correcting typos
hate to do it, but *poof*