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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: pstwo on July 09, 2002, 09:56:40 PM
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ETA is still July 30!! Can\'t wait!! :D
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Some of those pics look really nice.. others look like crap. Nice special effects tho.. hope the framerate is nice.
And that the gameplay kicks ass :)
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i smell 30 fps
looks nice tho
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The graphics and textures are amazing. Its alittle simliar to morrowind or something which is a very good thing.:)
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Aparently it plays like Baulder\'s Gate: DA. If that\'s true, it\'ll be a blast.
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I don\'t know how the gameplay will be but backgrounds and characters rock in my opinion. Look at that tower... LOTR? :D
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Originally posted by mm
i smell 30 fps
looks nice tho
30 FPS if we are lucky ;)
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I think they all look pretty good. Some of them are less spectacular than others, but none of em look like crap from what I can see. Crap would be the early Morrowwind Xbox screenies.. which thankfully greatly improved from what I\'ve seen of the final build. This game dosen\'t catch my attention tho.. I dunno what it is, but I can\'t get excited over it. *shrugs*
But like I said.. pretty decent Gphx tho. :thumbsup:
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I found more pictures! :eek:
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looks nice, BUT if its 30 fps
its shite
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You guys should check the scores instead of looking at the purdy graphics ;)
OXM game it what? (I forgot.. I think it was a 5 or 6)
XenGamers gave it a C..
And said
"Graphics
+ Good textures
+ Fine water effects
+ Great armored character designs
+ Cool interactive points
- Framerate drops every now and then
- Is that LAG?!?!?!"
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Looks like another rental...
that\'s so upsetting to see such a game wasted...WTF:mad:
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gunvalkyrie, hunter the reckoning, etc etc
i smell a pattern
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i smell a pattern
amazing nose you got there :)
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Recent PS2 quality titles:
Lego Soccer Mania, Gravity Games Bike: Street Vert Dirt, Tom & Jerry: War of the Whiskers, Barbarian, etc etc
I smell a pattern.
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*yawn*
yep, auto-insult-PS2-reaction from watch
how many of those games you listed were "supposed" to and "hyped" to be A+ titles?
tsk tsk
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*raises hand*
Pick Me!!
None of those titles Mr. MM
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exactly.
gunvalkryie
hunter the reckoning
enclave
morrowind
all B titles that were "supposed to be" teh PS2 k1LLaz!
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And what if I yawned everytime your auto insult xbox reaction took you over?
The difference if you go out of your way to bash the xbox. I only bash PS2 to make a point. You are clearly anti-xbox, there really can be no dispute.
Those are summer releases, and are MUCH better than PS2\'s summer releases. Also, those games you list (besdies Enclave)are solid titles all, not A+, but good fun none the less. Throw Outlaw golf in too, it\'s in the same category, perhaps a little better.
BTW, despite what you and I feel, Morrowind has recieved EXCELLENT scores from almost everywhere.
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yeah, the superior PC version has
i dont go out of way to insult the xbox, it comes naturally
someone knocks the xbox, and u impulsively insult the PS2
something i dont do
summer releases? how long did gunvalkryie and hunter come out? far from summer titles
hey, if you wanna settle for B titles and lower yer expectation to accept xbox trash as golden titles, than go right ahead
my gaming time is far more precious
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summer releases? how long did gunvalkryie and hunter come out? far from summer titles
The spring and summer lineups for all consoles has been lackluster...so much that it\'s a waste to compare them.
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I\'m not settling, just that there is nothing else to play anywhere that\'s better or even as good.
BTW, Gunvalkyrie was released in April; Hunter in May--that\'s pretty damn close to a summer release.
Morrowind XBOX:
IGN 9.4
Gamespot: 8.5
Both great scores.
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IGN would rate a steaming pile of shit 8.8 or higher if they were told (paid) to
how many times in thier review did they mention the superior PC version and the amount of slowdown within
april and may are pretty far from summer
regardless, yer comparing them to PS2 releases as a reflex
they are letdowns, im sorry yer expectations are lower
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Then why are you never publically dissappointed with PS2 offerings? That\'s always been my problem. You trash xbox EVERY chance you get, yet never a word comes from you when a PS2 game is a letdown.
It\'s a bias, and it\'s painfully obvious. Sure, I\'d like very game to be a perfect 10, but that doesn\'t happen. Not on xbox and not on PS2. The latter is what you so conveinently forget.
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Looking good. I\'ll prolly rent it when it hits th\' GCN later on.
At least, I think (http://cube.ign.com/articles/098/098071p1.html) I will. C\'mon Starbreeze! ;)
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Morrowind Xbox: Avg Ratio: 87%
Morrowind PC: Avg Ratio: 90%
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morrowind got its ratings from depth of gameplay, nothing more
its like the reveiwers felt obligated to give high marks cause of all the work betheda put into it
anyways, i was dissapointed in stuntman, and ive claimed this repeatedly
if the PS2 was \'teh xbox k1LLah!!11\'
than the tables would be turned, i assure you
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Right, it couldn\'t be that morrowind got its ratings because people actually like it. :rolleyes:
I\'ve never once heard you say anything about Stuntman, and I read most threads here. Perhaps its becasue you don\'t sing that song as often or as loudly. Nor do you bring it up in every other thread.
And all this nonsense about \'teh ps2 k1LLah!!11\' is common fanboy ammo. PS2 zealots have claimed the death of the xbox just as often, just as insistently. Why then do you not mock them? The salvos go both ways, the only difference is that you are a general in the PS2 camp.
What of the GC, you don\'t mock it? Their fanboys are just as rabid. Could it be that the xbox is the bigger threat and that\'s why you lash out at it every chance you get?
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GameSpy.com Review
http://gamespy.com/reviews/july02/enclavexbox/
With the success of Baldur\'s Gate Dark Alliance on the PlayStation 2, console gamers have proven themselves a viable audience for hack-and-slash games that take place in mythic worlds with a host of characters. The latest such title is called Enclave from Conspiracy Entertainment and Starbreeze Studios for the Xbox.
While the storyline may be a little forced, the goal being to release the peaceful city of Celenheim from the evil clutches of the Dreg\'Atar who have separated the city into "Light" and "Dark" worlds, Enclave does begin with some promising action. After an explosion and jailbreak, you (playing first as a tax-troubled knight) start to pick up potions and gold that can be used to upgrade weapons throughout the game.
With 12 playable characters, Enclave is wonderfully deep. The Light and Dark campaigns each offer six characters with the former offering: a knight, a huntress, a wizard, a druid, an engineer, and a halfling. On the Dark side of things, there\'s a berserker, an assassin, a sorceress, a lich, a bombardier, and a goblin. It\'s this list of characters that is the finest thing about Enclave. Because all of these creatures each have their own special abilities, you\'ll have to choose wisely before starting a mission. You\'ll be able to unlock individual characters and take them through certain levels.
Enclave can be played in either a first- or third-person view. This is beneficial as playing in the first-person assists with certain attacks as well as surveying the landscape for switches that open doors and potions that increase health. While it is quite generous of the folks at Starbreeze to incorporate both views, each can be frustrating to the point of having to constantly switch between them in order to find the best way to attack an enemy.
Because of the sometimes-frustrating camera, attacking a crew of enemies is a pain in the nether region and mastering the control scheme for each of the different playable characters takes a little bit of time to learn -- a luxury in any of the battle sequences that you simply don\'t have.
The controls are set up similarly to that of Halo with the left and right thumbsticks used to crouch and jump. Getting used to this should be a breeze for most Xbox gamers, however, playing from the third-person view, this scheme did not work for me "right off the bat." I was too busy trying to move my character in order to get into position to attack. I became increasingly angry when I would get too close to an enemy that I could not see it all. This was overcome when I realized that I could hold down the action button and constantly move back and forth, in and out of the immediate battle. When the controls are mastered they work well to eliminate enemies that are as plentiful as they are pesky.
What keeps Enclave from being listed as an "also-ran" are its graphics and gameplay. Shadows and lighting effects are up there with the best games for the Xbox -- I spent more then a few minutes just checking out the sky and the cloud. When you are greeted by another character in the city, the conversations are quick and to the point. The sound in the game changes with the mood of either the battle or the mission. It is that booming orchestral sound combined with the DVD aspect of the start and mission menus that you would expect in this type of game.
While the game\'s graphics are, for the most part, completely immersive, the developers have cut some corners in places. For instance, when the knight switches weapons from his axe to the crossbow, he motions to grab something that is hanging on his back, however, there is no crossbow there. As if by unintended magic, the weapon appears in his hand. Also, as the axe is placed on his back it disappears. How hard would it have been to have the character\'s second weapon be apparent during gameplay? It takes the believability of the character, as well as a part of the game, out of the equation.
Also, the aforementioned Baldur\'s Gate has the most amazing ripple effects in water this side of a PS2 golf game. However, when traversing through a pool of water in Enclave, there\'s not a ripple to be found; a small gripe I know, but one worth mentioning.
There are a few other graphical glitches, such as when an enemy is killed on a set of stairs its body lays flat, half on the steps and half-suspended in. Also, when blood pours from an enemy it disappears before it hits the ground. While these problems may be trivial and they do not take away from gameplay, they are what keeps Enclave on the doorstep of the elite games for the Xbox.
Finally, gamers who may be looking for a deep adventure should consider Enclave. While there are a few graphical elements in the game that could\'ve used a little more studio time, there are just as many gameplay elements that enhance the game. If it\'s another mythic world your after, Enclave should not be overlooked.
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Geez, this game has more fog than Silent Hill on PSX. ;)
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is it just me, or does that quote from pstwo NOT mention framerate?
that pic is pathetic samwise, sheesh
watchdog, we have a "main" forum to talk about Ps2 games, try visiting it sometime, you might learn something
oh, and GC = waste of my money
havent touched it for 2 months except to play ED for about an hour
only my xbox gets less playing time
my sega cd > gc + xbox
...and i wondered who the 1st (insult heavy insult here) to change the color of thier name to black so it wouldnt show up
:rolleyes:
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kids, behave. :)
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Originally posted by mm
...and i wondered who the 1st (insult heavy insult here) to change the color of thier name to black so it wouldnt show up
:rolleyes:
Why is it an insult? ?
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sigh
i thought it would be rude for me to call you a name, but *ouch this hurts* will you please not use black as yer name color, thank you.
*grumble*
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I"m sorry about that, I though I would try something out. :D
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thank you
*damn i hate being so pleasant*
dont let soully see this
:)
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Originally posted by fastson
You guys should check the scores instead of looking at the purdy graphics ;)
- Framerate drops every now and then
- Is that LAG?!?!?!"
More Hands on: :D
i have played though about 8 levels so far and i aint experienced any lag or slowdown, and the 3d world of enclave that you explore is beautiful, the only downside to this game is the lack of checkpoints or saves through out each mission, i.e none!
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again, no mention of what framerate its at
i dont give a rats ass if its locked at 30 fps
look at the screenshot samwise posted, no wonder there\'s no slowdown
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You loved GTA3 and it wasn\'t even close to 30fps.
hm, the wonders never cease.
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yeah, the wonders of muh l33t PC
GTA3 never drops below 60 FPS at 1280x1024 32 bit color 4x FSAA 16 bit anistropy
:)
there\'s the auto-insult-PS2-reflex in action
should start a case study
two years in hardware technology gets us 30 fps
pfffffffft
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How about loving Medal of Honor, while completely ignoring the slowdown which was much worse than Halo could\'ve dreamt about.
The wonders never cease.
Eric Jacob
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i must have forgot me saying that i always loved the MOH series because of something called gameplay
something halo lost when i got tired of asking myself,. "havent i been thru here already?"
here\'s something to make you guys sputter
i expect the xbox to produce 60 fps games because
1. it came out two years after the PS2
2. its teh PS2 k1llAh!!1
i seriously feel sorry for you guys if 30 fps in acceptable for the MOST ADVANCED console on the earth
what excuse will you guys use next time?
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I sometimes wonder about the 60 fps on Xbox games. If the developers cut down on the graphics it should be able to do 60.
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exactly!
see, thats why pstwo = cool
xbox SHOULD be able to pump out 60 fps games, BUT something is restricting it. i wonder what it is, hmmmmmmmm
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Originally posted by mm
exactly!
see, thats why pstwo = cool
xbox SHOULD be able to pump out 60 fps games, BUT something is restricting it. i wonder what it is, hmmmmmmmm
Yes I do wonder..
Maybe BizioEE could cut and paste a few articles from TXB? ;)
Oh right.. He said all games on Xbox were designed on unfinished hardware.. Yep theres the problem.
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So let me get this straight. You HATE xbox games because they should/could be at 60, yet you don\'t mind 30 on PS2 because it\'s a weaker machine.
THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
If 60 is the benchmark of a good game it should be the cut off regardless of system. You expect more is bullshit, it\'s an excuse to allow you to bash any game that has a dip in framerate. Every PS2 game could be at 60 if the devs cut back on graphics. If 60 is the high water mark, you should be lambasting PS2 games because they don\'t hit that either.
You say graphics don\'t matter. FPS does. Like I said, PS2 COULD be at 60, locked, with every game. You should be dissatisfied with 99% of PS2 games as well. But you\'re not--shocking.
The xbox is just a console with limitations like every other console. You use it as an excuse to bash xbox because it\'s conveinent. You\'re pretty translucent mm.
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u kill me man
So let me get this straight. You HATE xbox games because they should/could be at 60, yet you don\'t mind 30 on PS2 because it\'s a weaker machine.
THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
ummmm, hello? that makes perfect sense
the PS2 is two years older than the xbox, should i NOT expect better results from the xbox?
the xbox is THE MOST POWERFULL CONSOLE TO DATE, no?
keep making excuses bro, thats all the xbox zealots have
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Enough rhetoric, we all know that the 30fps thing is a problem with the game devs, not the hardware.
First gen games are always rushed and with the XB\'s similarity to the PC, the devs probably programed their games to run just as it would in a PC (all T&L runs on the CPU, no use of pixel shaders, etc.). That gives some major bottlenecks as the devs are suppose to use the GPU for those function. Plus, the first devkits were little more than PCs emulating an Xbox, so most devs never even dared to push those as hard as a real Xbox. Wait until [well-made:D] second games and you will see 60fps games.
We all do still remember the quality of graphics on first-gen PS2 games do we?
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Most PS2 games are 60fps...
At least the bigger better looking titles are :)
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Originally posted by fastson
Most PS2 games are 60fps...
At least the bigger better looking titles are :)
Like I said in the previous post: Do you remember the quality of first-gen PS2 games?
Speaking of which, have you seen the first gen JAPANESE PS2 games?
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Originally posted by nonamer
Like I said in the previous post: Do you remember the quality of first-gen PS2 games?
Speaking of which, have you seen the first gen JAPANESE PS2 games?
I can remember TTT which looked damn good for a launch title. Count SSX and Timesplitters (although the latter had quite weak textures) to that too. I can\'t believe though that you\'re bringing in the PS2\'s launch games into this, when it is a well known fact that it has a crazy steap learning curve compared to the PC-ish Xbox hardware. There goes another excuse...
Plus, the first devkits were little more than PCs emulating an Xbox, so most devs never even dared to push those as hard as a real Xbox. Wait until [well-made] second games and you will see 60fps games.
Perhaps, but IMO that\'s not an excuse for so many games running in 30 fps. Halo is excused in my eyes, but what\'s with all the following games? Hell, Enclave and ProjectEgo not even to mention SplinterCell are all going to have a (hopefully) locked 30 fps - not more. The two latters btw; are those the [well-made] second gen games you\'re dreaming (?) about?
I wouldn\'t dare to blame it on the hardware, but somethings definately not right: Either the devs are too lazy and used to have everything programmed for them through the libraries, thus programming very unefficiant code - or they\'re overestimating the machine (perhaps with the claims from Microsoft in mind)...
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Originally posted by nonamer
Like I said in the previous post: Do you remember the quality of first-gen PS2 games?
Speaking of which, have you seen the first gen JAPANESE PS2 games?
What does this have to do with my post?
I said most good looking PS2 games run at 60fps. And they are NOT 1st gen games. (GT3, MGS2, J&D, R&C (Ive played it and its rock solid), BGDA, ect ect)
And yes Ive seen 1st gen PS2 games.. Some look like crap, some look great. Just like today.
GoDai - BGDA
SEVEN: Free Radicals quote comes to mind ;)
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Don\'t even compare xbox to ps2. Just look at any game that is on both systems and you\'ll find a better looking game with a better framerate. Plus, I could name dozens of games that run well below 60 on pS2, big gamesincluded (ff?). GT3 runs at 60, so does almost every racing game on xbox. Platformers too? Big deal, xbox\'s platformers are 60 as well.
Nice dodge of everything I brought up in my post mm. Yes it\'s the most powerful, but why does the machine\'s power decide what the framerate should be and then that become the deciding factor of a game\'s worth? Furthermore, why can you enjoy games emmensely on PS2 that run at 30, yet scorn anything that isn\'t 60 on xbox.
The power of the machine should mean nothing. Yet it does because it\'s the only straw desperate people have left to cling to.
I say again, it makes no logical sense.
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The Xbox is touted as being far more powerful than PS2 or GCN. Bad move on MS\'s part, since it isn\'t far more powerful. More like barely better (than GCN) with more hardware features such as HDD and network capabilities.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Don\'t even compare xbox to ps2. Just look at any game that is on both systems and you\'ll find a better looking game with a better framerate. Plus, I could name dozens of games that run well below 60 on pS2, big gamesincluded (ff?). GT3 runs at 60, so does almost every racing game on xbox. Platformers too? Big deal, xbox\'s platformers are 60 as well.
Agreed.
Watchdog, What Xbox titles you have now?
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Platformers too? Big deal, xbox\'s platformers are 60 as well.
With the same big loading-free surroundings as J&D?
Or with the huge levels of R&C? ;)
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R&C isn\'t out yet. Who knows how it\'ll fair.
There isn\'t a platformer to compare with J&D, but to suggest that the xbox would struggle where PS2 succeeds is groundless. Like I said games always look and perform better on xbox. This is a debate that I have no interest in and will not pursue further. The issue is dead.
I have Halo, DOA3, Munch, NHL2002, Gunvalkyrie, PGR, Amped.
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Like I said games always look and perform better on xbox.
Always is such a strong word
If your into debating you should know you NEVER use always
and never use never too :)
Regarding your list: Such low standards
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Originally posted by Watchdog
R&C isn\'t out yet. Who knows how it\'ll fair.
There isn\'t a platformer to compare with J&D, but to suggest that the xbox would struggle where PS2 succeeds is groundless. Like I said games always look and perform better on xbox. This is a debate that I have no interest in and will not pursue further. The issue is dead.
I have Halo, DOA3, Munch, NHL2002, Gunvalkyrie, PGR, Amped.
Ive played R&C (ok, only 40% complete..) it ran at a rock solid 60fps. I didn’t notice one single slowdown. (it was that city level with “cars” flying around, explosions from the robots ect.. lots of things)
Who knows of J&D could be done on Xbox? We wont know until someone actually tries..
Insomanic have said a few things though. But I don’t know how creditable you think they are since they only develop for PS2, but they are still 3rd party devs.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Like I said games always look and perform better on xbox. This is a debate that I have no interest in and will not pursue further.
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Sure, out-perform, but to what extent does that count. That\'s a pitiful point to be bringing out at this moment. That\'s great and all too, but when it comes to gameplay and innovation I turn to Sony, not M$. I mean, just how innovative was Windows ME?
Bwahahahaha, that was perfect...
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ugh
Hey Watchdog.. I have seen mm bash PS2 games that are running at 30fps. GTA3 was one of them. Most of his Frames Per Second bashing comes against action/first pereson shooter games, as they are the ones where framerate is more important.
For some reason his version of Medal of Honor had a great framerate.. most of the other big action titles (excluding Red Faction) actually do run at 60fps. TimeSplitters, Quake, Twisted Metal, Metal Gear Solid etc. etc. ^^^Some of which are near launch titles.
Although I personally think Medal of Honor has a horribly jumpy framerate when compared to games like Halo or Red Faction, I can at least see where mm is coming from. And wont put his points down to just blatant fanboyism as you and Altered Beast would put it. Although being a PS2 fanboy myself, it probably doesnt hold much weight :)
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Frame rate this, frame rate that.... Xbox this, xbox that. YUO ALL AR TEH SUX0R!111
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Like I said games always look and perform better on xbox.
except for spyhunter and that surfing game *snicker*
watchdog, is anyhome home?
ive been saying this for some time now
the xbox had better run games better than the PS2
but when its games look like shite or just run at 30 fps, you make an excuse (or blatantly change the subject and auto-insult the PS2)
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Originally posted by nonamer
Like I said in the previous post: Do you remember the quality of first-gen PS2 games?
Speaking of which, have you seen the first gen JAPANESE PS2 games?
Hi nona...don\'t waste your time with blind PS2 fanboys like the loser fasty fasty...
Jap PS2 first gen games looked like total crap...and even most of 2nd and 3rd gen of PS2 games look like crap compared to XBox and GCN games...
There\'re so many good XBox games coming out in the first months that the poor PS2 could only imagine and dream...
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Don\'t even compare xbox to ps2. Just look at any game that is on both systems and you\'ll find a better looking game with a better framerate. Plus, I could name dozens of games that run well below 60 on pS2, big gamesincluded (ff?). GT3 runs at 60, so does almost every racing game on xbox. Platformers too? Big deal, xbox\'s platformers are 60 as well.
Nice dodge of everything I brought up in my post mm. Yes it\'s the most powerful, but why does the machine\'s power decide what the framerate should be and then that become the deciding factor of a game\'s worth? Furthermore, why can you enjoy games emmensely on PS2 that run at 30, yet scorn anything that isn\'t 60 on xbox.
The power of the machine should mean nothing. Yet it does because it\'s the only straw desperate people have left to cling to.
I say again, it makes no logical sense.
Watchdog...still wasting time on the central of mindless PS2 fanboys?
XBox easy blows away PS2 in the graphics and sound department...every one knows that...
I play my XBox games and when I go to my friend Emanuele\'s home to play PS2 games...well...they look really sad...low-ressy,jaggy,derty...really sad...
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Originally posted by fastson
Yes I do wonder..
Maybe BizioEE could cut and paste a few articles from TXB? ;)
Oh right.. He said all games on Xbox were designed on unfinished hardware.. Yep theres the problem.
This PS2 tool is truly obsessed by me (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.plauder-smilies.de%2Flach.gif&hash=e6138ed4812a61fd483db0a2b4e01c10fa7b60f8)
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good lord biz, been spending too much time on TXB?
and two replies to yerself?
for shame
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Originally posted by BizioEE
XBox easy blows away PS2 in the graphics and sound department...every one knows that...
Lol, keep telling yourself that. If you say it enough times you might even believe it.
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Originally posted by BizioEE
This PS2 tool is truly obsessed by me
Yes.. I want to sexxor YuO!!!111
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Originally posted by Samwise
Lol, keep telling yourself that. If you say it enough times you might even believe it.
aaahhhh XBox is a superior piece of hardware compared to the flawed PS2...it\'s a fact...not an opinion...
Both XBox and GCN are new hardware and can do better graphics...it seems that only blind PS2 fanboys can\'t accept it...
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You know BizioEE.. you were a much better poster when you actually liked good games (http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=6201&highlight=Twisted)
:)
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Originally posted by mm
good lord biz, been spending too much time on TXB?
and two replies to yerself?
for shame
naahh...I spend half an hour a week on TXB and half an hour a month here...I\'m not a time waster like the loser fasty fasty...
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.plauder-smilies.de%2Fhappy%2Fxyxwave.gif&hash=385abd3e2cf01cd2f99b5e554cbe6770eba614c4)
bye...maybe you\'ll see me next month...
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
You know BizioEE.. you were a much better poster when you actually liked good games (http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=6201&highlight=Twisted)
:)
members like Chrono,seven,fastson,Terry and many others,some mods included,all together have "killed" this forum...
...I get disgusted when I see fanboys like fasty...it\'s not a question of games...
edited... I "like" you Bobs...a metaphoric kiss for you (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.plauder-smilies.de%2Fremybussi.gif&hash=dfd006da60ddf4943afe8c930cb4bd4c887ff5c2) :p
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nah, if you were here more often you\'d see a change.
Chrono has grown up just a tad, seven has made a 180 as far as attitude goes, Terry hasn\'t been here in a month...fastson...well, he\'s still here and rightfully so.
Remember this is a PS2 forum...
no more personal attacks
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Sure Xbox is a superior piece of hardware (compared to other consoles, not a PC ;)). Too bad it doesn\'t have ½ the good games PS2 has. :)
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Aww.. Its everyones fault except yours, innit Biz?
And everyone is a fanboy except you, aint it so Biz?
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Sure Biz isn\'t a fanboy... :rolleyes:
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Too bad it doesn\'t have ½ the good games PS2 has.
nor will it ever
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Yes, seven has come around.
And mm--don\'t even tell me I don\'t call a spade a spade when a bad xbox game comes around. I do. Like I\'ve said, I bash more of xbox\'s games than I do PS2\'s.
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Rastalant what? Rastalant what? Rastalant Rastalant what? at?Rastalant what? Rastalant what? Xbox what? Playstaion 2 what?
Xbox what? Stone cold!!!! stone cold!! stone cold what?:smokin:
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watch
:) i respect you more and more each day
rastalant
good lord man
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by mm
watch
:) i respect you more and more each day
rastalant
good lord man
:rolleyes:
What?:smokin: :smokin: :smokin: What? What?
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Right back at you, mm. You stick to your guns.
Rast, man, what happened to you? It\'s been downhill at a startling rate.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Right back at you, mm. You stick to your guns.
Rast, man, what happened to you? It\'s been downhill at a startling rate.
Hey watchdog nothing much happen. I"m alright ................................
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Rastalant, what happened to your sanity. At least before you had complete sentences.:laughing: