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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Coke on July 10, 2002, 09:35:51 AM
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After reading through a recent publication of \'Cube\', the unofficial gamecube magazine in australia. It has come to my attention that nintendo is attempting to jutsify their POOR excuse for a system...as a \'Pure\' gaming machine.
What a joke! Seriously, they address the point that their system doesnt have a DVD player...becasue its for "Pure Gaming". Well Whoop\'de Do!....translation:
"Nintendo are too crap to put a DVD player or even music CD player in their system so we say its for Pure gaming" ..HA!!
Thats like saying the car we are selling isnt for driving, casue it doesnt have an engine....BUT it\'s for \'pure sitting\' ...yeah great!
Basically it goes deeper than this, but its important for as many peolpe to know that nintendo is justifying their systems lack of features; with brainwashing like statments!
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Your analogy is wrong, since a car is made for driving not sitting, just like a game machine is made for gaming. A more proper analogy would be a car not including a radio or other doo-hickeys since they would be \'extras\' like DVD playback and music capabilities. But I do agree that trying to pass off their faults of not including extras like that is pretty cheese. Nintendo needs to get with the program man. First cartridges then mini-disc? No music playback or watching DVD? Bleh...
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I have a DVD player, I have a CD player. Why would I need a console that gives me a 2nd one of each? Yes, the system was made for pure gaming, and there is nothing wrong with that. If you don\'t like that it doesn\'t have a DVD player, then just buy another system. They just wanted to design it like that so it could sell for less (and so it would be a little harder at least for games to be pirated). It\'s mindless, senseless, pointless, groundless bashing like this that makes me wonder why I visit console debating anymore.
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i\'m with shockwaves on this one. not being able to play music or dvd\'s is not a flaw, hell the PS2 can play dvd\'s but i never use it, i always watch dvd\'s using a stand alone player and i do the same thing with music too.
but if yer still hung up on this go get a 400$ "Panasonic Q" it plays GC games, dvd\'s and music cd\'s.
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at least the gamecube can have orchastrated music if they want
/me looks over at Super Smash Brothers: Melee
its better then what it was like :p
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You\'re not the brighest are, ya\'? :D
Honestly, the GC Is a gaming machine. I mean, Nintendo is a gaming company, therefor them making something that is dedicated to gaming only makes sense. Espically when you consider adding a DVD drive would of raised the low launch price the NGC had. Then you have DVD support, which so far has been shoddy on all console systems. I mean, my PS2 won\'t play certain titles and my Xbox freezes on certain movies. With Nintendo avoiding the DVD hysteria that is completely taking over the country, they freed themselves from a lot of problems and met their target price.
Any questions?
;)
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I think I stand for you all when I say:
STFU NOOB!!
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Personally I prefer an airconditioned car with airbags than a car without these because its made only for driving,if you get what I mean.
Probably the DVD was replaced by Mini Disk for less cost of production.
Thats why they prefered to create thus introduce the GameCube as a gaming only console.
I dont think it is a kind of brainwashing.A console without any other features except playing games can be nothing but a gaming only console anyways(although personally I prefer a console with much more features than just playing games).
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Hey Ajoh.. umm.. that\'s my job. You realise that right? Sooo umm yeah. STFU Noob. And welcome to the forums.
As far as Nintnedo\'s "brainwashing". I buy a console for games. If it\'s got extras like a HDD, DVD, Ext... great. If not.. oh well. Even if it did include DVD playback, all three consoles this generation would still make for piss poor DVD players. If I cared about DVD in the slightest, I\'d just buy a 5 disk changer and be done with it. Besides, for the price of the NGC compaired to the competition, I can forgive the lack of non-gaming of extras.
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Noob? Mar 2002 isn\'t a noob...or is it?
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I don\'t get people in this thread! It\'s alright not to include extras and then claim its a pure gaming machine. Yeah we didn\'t feel like keeping up to the standard in this console era so that means its a PURE gaming machine! Bollocks I\'ll keep my DVD playaback and music CD capability. I don\'t have a VCR or DVD player so my computer and PS2 are the only way I can watch movies. I thought it was nice that I got these extras and only had to pay a bit more for it. Oh well, different strokes for different folks.
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Originally posted by Speed Demon
I don\'t get people in this thread! It\'s alright not to include extras and then claim its a pure gaming machine. Yeah we didn\'t feel like keeping up to the standard in this console era so that means its a PURE gaming machine! Bollocks I\'ll keep my DVD playaback and music CD capability. I don\'t have a VCR or DVD player so my computer and PS2 are the only way I can watch movies. I thought it was nice that I got these extras and only had to pay a bit more for it. Oh well, different strokes for different folks.
The point is, Nintendo avoided adding these things for legit reasons. One of the main reasons being cost. Anytime you launch a lower price its a good thing, now take in consideration that they was going up against the Xbox within the same month. So, of course they decided to launch at a lower price, one that wouldn\'t of been possible if you included DVD playback. Another thing is the properitary disc. Nintendo has been huge on cuttin\' down on piracy and this disc format will help their cause on that. And finally, every console out this generation has had piss poor playback of DVD. I\'ve already used examples, so I don\'t think I\'ll go over it again.
No one is saying that it is bad that Sony or MS didn\'t go the pure gaming way and instead offered DVD playback. But, what we are saying is that it is also respectable that Nintendo opted not to include DVD playback, espically when the con\'s outweighed the pro\'s of it.
Finally, including the latest technology for the sake of staying up to par with the othe guy, isn\'t always the best bet. There is considerations that need to thought about and compromises that need to be made.
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Word up Coke
The reason for Nintendo not including DVD or any extra is because thats how they try to get the edge in the console war, by making their console cheaper.
The more things my console can do, the better.
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Nintendo has a version made by Panasonic that can suit your DVD needs. End of story.
Such stupid arguments, I must say.
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Originally posted by Tom G
Noob? Mar 2002 isn\'t a noob...or is it?
Hey, I\'ve been here longer than that (actively posting since Feb 2002), and I sure as hell consider myself somewhat of a newbie.
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Noob or not, he just got some insight hammered into him...
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For the record, to us "oldies" (Ginko, SonyFan, Unicorn and maybe...just maybe Ajoh) you are all noobs..:D
Oh and Vapor - you\'re not quite right on that being the end of the argument. Panasonic\'s version of the Cube , dubbed \'The Q\' is only on sale in Japan and will only play Japanese games or Japanese DVD\'s, unless you m0d it ..and we wouldn\'t discuss that stuff around here, now would we ?
;)
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For the record, to us "oldies" (Ginko, SonyFan, Unicorn and maybe...just maybe Ajoh) you are all noobs..
Haha.. true.. I bow to you.. and a few others. lolHey Ajoh.. umm.. that\'s my job. You realise that right? Sooo umm yeah. STFU Noob. And welcome to the forums.
Yes I actually do know you say that. I kinda borrowed it... I like it, thanks.;)
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Oh and Vapor - you\'re not quite right on that being the end of the argument. Panasonic\'s version of the Cube , dubbed \'The Q\' is only on sale in Japan and will only play Japanese games or Japanese DVD\'s, unless you m0d it ..and we wouldn\'t discuss that stuff around here, now would we ?
;)
Move to Japan, its that easy. Sheesh, some people just aren\'t into Japanese chicks anymore....
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Move to Japan, its that easy.
Hmm...well now is plain obvious that who said this, is a prime example of what im talking about. (refer to topic)
NOW... lets go over the important points here:
*1)** Nintendo is brain washing
*2)** They try to put off SEVERE short coming as features..(HA!)
*3)** they are feeding off the intelectually handicaped by getting them to believe that they are getting somthing better when in fact they are getting somthing worse!
*4a)** Savings??...how about the price of the games? if they are so concerned with helping us save money how come the games are the same price? Like someone mentioned earlier the disks are created to stop piracy right?...so wheres the consumer savings? (same price as a DVD based game)
*4b)** Not to mention the actual size of the disk! A DVD is a physically larger component; and if you compare the amount of actual materials needed to create a DVD in relation to a GC disk...well its obviously smaller right?...so wheres the saving?
Yeah sure, on a single disk you\'d save like 10c or whatever... but multiply this by million (or how ever many million games they sell) and nintendo are making a pretty tidy profit at the expense of us! ...oh and they are doing this for us, the consumer! ..GIVE ME A BREAK!!! (thanks for the saving brainwashers!!!)
THIS is sad to the point of hilarity! Wake up nintendo fan boys!
PS2 and x-box are on the right path... when will nintendo see the light?? (i aint holding my breath!)
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Originally posted by Coke
Hmm...well now is plain obvious that who said this, is a prime example of what im talking about. (refer to topic)
That made little to no sense.
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Originally posted by Coke
Hmm...well now is plain obvious that who said this, is a prime example of what im talking about. (refer to topic)
NOW... lets go over the important points here:
*1)** Nintendo is brain washing
*2)** They try to put off SEVERE short coming as features..(HA!)
*3)** they are feeding off the intelectually handicaped by getting them to believe that they are getting somthing better when in fact they are getting somthing worse!
*4a)** Savings??...how about the price of the games? if they are so concerned with helping us save money how come the games are the same price? Like someone mentioned earlier the disks are created to stop piracy right?...so wheres the consumer savings? (same price as a DVD based game)
*4b)** Not to mention the actual size of the disk! A DVD is a physically larger component; and if you compare the amount of actual materials needed to create a DVD in relation to a GC disk...well its obviously smaller right?...so wheres the saving?
Yeah sure, on a single disk you\'d save like 10c or whatever... but multiply this by million (or how ever many million games they sell) and nintendo are making a pretty tidy profit at the expense of us! ...oh and they are doing this for us, the consumer! ..GIVE ME A BREAK!!! (thanks for the saving brainwashers!!!)
THIS is sad to the point of hilarity! Wake up nintendo fan boys!
PS2 and x-box are on the right path... when will nintendo see the light?? (i aint holding my breath!)
hehe, ignorance is funny.
First of all, no one in this topic, with the expection of maybe myself, could be considered a Nintendo fanboy.
As for your points:
1) How are they brainwashing? You have yet to tell us directly.
2)That didn\'t even make sense. Clarify what you\'re saying.
3)I own a Gamecube, are you saying that I\'m intellectually handicapped? Infact, I own one, and don\'t own an X-Box or PS2. But hey, at least I\'m intellectual enough to string together a decent post. How exactly are they feeding off the "intellectually handicapped?
4a) The console is cheaper, because that is the main purchase you have to make. It is easier to make smaller game purchases, or even rent games. In the case of the console, it\'s cheaper due to fewer features. The games don\'t have any less to them, and aren\'t cheaper to make, so why should they be cheaper?
4b)The size of the disc has nothing to do with the costs. The costs are in developement. A difference of 10 cents? Ha. It does cost 10 cents total to make either the DVDs or the minidiscs. Why you think that they are making more of a profit it beyond me. What are you saying they should do, lower game prices by 10 cents so that they even things out? :rolleyes:
And while we\'re on the topic of Japan, ask them which console is not on the right path. I think the sales figures speak for themselves.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
4b)The size of the disc has nothing to do with the costs. The costs are in developement. A difference of 10 cents? Ha. It does cost 10 cents total to make either the DVDs or the minidiscs. Why you think that they are making more of a profit it beyond me. What are you saying they should do, lower game prices by 10 cents so that they even things out? :rolleyes:
I think what he was saying is that the entire purpose of the miniDiscs was to prevent Piracy... So since the games cannot be burned/copied like Xbox or Playstation 2 then sales should be much higher and therefore they should be able to sell the games for less... Whereas for the moment Gamecube charges more for their games then either Playstation 2 or X-Box...
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PlagueBearer is 100% correct!!
Now can these questions be answered by any nintendo fan boys?
FACT: Mini disk was created to lessen the ability of software pirates to copy software.
FACT: Software pirates increase the cost of software to consumers.
FACT: There is ZERO savings being made EVEN though its virtually impossibe to copy the software.
FACT: Not only are there ZERO savings being made by the consumer (aka nintendo fan boys), the games are MORE expensive than competitors!
FACT: While nintendo is coaxing you fan boys in with such frivilious statments, you happily go along and believe such blatent lies. Its obvoius you are being brainwashed into believing such rubbish!
Give me break, who ever said the console is the most expensive part of the purchasing a console system and playing games, bull-sheeeet!! Say you purchase 4 games, thats already more than the price of the system itself...LOL PLEASE come up with a valid argument. (??)
And renting isnt a come back to those of us who want to have a home collction. (another downfall on nintendos part)
When will they learn?? ??? (thank god x-box and ps2 are here!!)
p.s im not even going to get into the cost to manufacture the mini disk in ratio to profit! ...DVD is cheaper!!!
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I\'m not gonna comment on how lame and ignorant you really are (others will anyway). I\'d just like to mention that where I live gamecube games are cheaper than ps2 and xbox games.
gamecube is ~59,99euro
ps2 is ~67,49euro
and xbox is ~75euro
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Coke here is where your a retard.
Nintendo started the gaming biz\' and are still regardless of the present the indisputable champs of gaming. Sure the Gamecube hasn\'t sold as many units (Perhaps it could be its 10 month existence :rolleyes:), but it delivers high quality games. Even you must admit that in it\'s first year the Gamecube has better games than that of what PS2 had in its first year. Eternal Darkness, SSBM, Resident Evil, and Pikmin are a few titles that come to mind...games that i think our light years better than Timesplitters and SSX were. Your talking hardware, basically the most irrelevant part when it comes to good gaming. Its all about the games.
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Hey I am not agreeing with Coke 100 %. Nintendo is a great company. I have owned alot of Nintendo consoles and I love the in-house and 1st party games. I love the Mario series, Zelda series and all the other Nintendo only\'s.
I do not agree that because Nintendo is a good company that you can ignore their faults. Where are the savings from minidisc? All the Gamecube games are the same price as the other console\'s games at my local EB. No extras are passed off as it being a \'pure gaming\' console which is pretty cheeseball. But no I don\'t hate Nintendo and I am actually going to buy one when I can afford it and a few games.
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Coke seems to share something in common with our old friend Clowd...the inability to understand the meaning of the word "fact"
The fact is that preventing piracy has nothing to do with where the costs should be right now. Nintendo and X-Box are both playing catchup to PS2, the more established console at this time. Since there are more PS2s out there, that means, piracy or not, the PS2 games will sell more. Until Nintendo can catch up with the number of consoles that Sony has sold, something that will likely never happen, there are no savings. They will sell fewer of their games than Sony will, no matter how much piracy is out there. Since the cost isn\'t in manufacturing, but rather in production, this means that the only company that should be lowering game prices, by your reasoning, is Sony. Besides, people who copy games make up only a very small portion of the gaming population.
Also, did it ever occur to you that maybe the results the any boosted profits that could possibly exist are being passed onto the consumer? Perhaps they are only providing for means to develope more and more impressive games in the future. The profits that you think are there would only go back into future games, and thus get back to the consumer anyway. That would make the console you decided to buy look better, and it would provide it with more worth while games. I don\'t see how that would be a bad thing.
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Originally posted by \\/apor Snake
Even you must admit that in it\'s first year the Gamecube has better games than that of what PS2 had in its first year. Eternal Darkness, SSBM, Resident Evil, and Pikmin are a few titles that come to mind... Your talking hardware, basically the most irrelevant part when it comes to good gaming. Its all about the games.
Eternal Darkness, Pikmin, Resident Evil, Star Wars Rogue Squadron, Super Smash Brothers Melee... Those are good games without a doubt... Now continue... Oh... There are no more good games...
Now I\'m not trying to bash the Gamecube [I happen to own one] but I would like to see Nintendo correct this... Lack of games was the same problem that the N64 had... They should have solved that by now...
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Originally posted by PlagueBearer
Eternal Darkness, Pikmin, Resident Evil, Star Wars Rogue Squadron, Super Smash Brothers Melee... Those are good games without a doubt... Now continue... Oh... There are no more good games...
Now I\'m not trying to bash the Gamecube [I happen to own one] but I would like to see Nintendo correct this... Lack of games was the same problem that the N64 had... They should have solved that by now...
THe very problem you are complaining about has fallen onto every console within the first year of its life span. The PS2 suffered the same drought with its first year, the Xbox is suffering it and even the DC suffered it (much lesser extent tho\'). ANd when you think of the games comin\' out before end of the year, it isn\'t near that bad....
Oh and to answer your question..
Eternal Darkness
Pikimin
Resident Evil : Rebirth
Resident Evil 0
Mario Sunshine
Sega Soccer Slam
Super Monkey Ball
Super Monkey Ball 2
Star War: RS2
SSBM
Luigi\'s Mansion
Bomberman Generation\'s
Star Fox Adventures
Metriod Prime
That\'s just a handfull of the games that will be out / are out before the GC reaches its first year. Now take in account Capcom\'s support for the GC, Square agreeing to develop for it, KOnami and other third parties and you can see that Nintendo has indeed worked with the developers to fix a lot of the problems that plagued the N64 ,the first and foremost being the cartridge format, which scared off third parties.
No extras are passed off as it being a \'pure gaming\' console which is pretty cheeseball.\'pure gaming\' console
You would of paid less for it at launch than any other console. You will pay less for it still compared to the other consoles . That is one of the advantages of having a system that doesn\'t have a lot of unnessecary options.
On a side note: I think Panasonic should consider releasing \'The Q\' in other countries, besides Japan.
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Originally posted by PlagueBearer
Eternal Darkness, Pikmin, Resident Evil, Star Wars Rogue Squadron, Super Smash Brothers Melee... Those are good games without a doubt... Now continue... Oh... There are no more good games...
Now I\'m not trying to bash the Gamecube [I happen to own one] but I would like to see Nintendo correct this... Lack of games was the same problem that the N64 had... They should have solved that by now...
NO MORE GOOD GAMES??? ARE YOU INSANE???????
You forgot Super Monkey Ball :)
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You would of paid less for it at launch than any other console. You will pay less for it still compared to the other consoles . That is one of the advantages of having a system that doesn\'t have a lot of unnessecary options.
On a side note: I think Panasonic should consider releasing \'The Q\' in other countries, besides Japan.
Now, now! Doesnt this statment seem a little contradictary?
What you have basically said here is:
"Hey im glad they dont have unnecessary things like a DVD player in the game cube, ...but i wish they brought out a game cube with a DVD player in it!" ..LOL!!!!
And speaking of good games, where\'s all the great fighting games? I know Tekken Tag (one of the greatest/most playable games ever invented) was released with ps2 .... where\'s nintendos answer???? is it Luigi\'s Mansion??....LOL!!! Come on, its a little kids game...,. OH gezz wow lets run around a house with a vacume cleaner!! yay!! so much fun!! (please acknowldge the scarasm all nintendo lamers).
They will sell fewer of their games than Sony will, no matter how much piracy is out there
So whats the point of creating a disk that deters software pirates? ...its not to pass one the savings to us right! (as you say!) It\'s to help poor nintendo play catch up to systems that ARNT lacking...give me a break!!
Perhaps they are only providing for means to develope more and more impressive games in the future. The profits that you think are there would only go back into future games, and thus get back to the consumer anyway.
Well thats fine if these future games you talk about are going to be purchased, but the fact is: Not everyone is interested in purchasing all the games! It would make better sence to make a direct saving rather than a POSSIBLE indirect saving.
Now I\'m not trying to bash the Gamecube [I happen to own one] but I would like to see Nintendo correct this... Lack of games was the same problem that the N64 had... They should have solved that by now...
Excellent point!
The bottom line is nintendo is getting you fan boys to THINK it\'s working in the best interest of you. FACT: its not, its to make profits while saying somthing like "Our features save you money!" WHICH THEY DONT ..and... "Our games will be better in the future..."
Sorry i just dont buy it (pun intended). Im living for today, i want to play games TODAY, i want savings TODAY, I want features like DVD ..TODAY. Not some lame "future savings" BullSheeeet. Please..please.. wake up to reality guys (and do your self a favour and get a system thats good TODAY!)
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ok coke, i gather that their r no games, no features,or anything else that u like about the game cube and theirs no way in hell that you\'d ever buy one right.
if so then answer me this "Why are you B****ing about the GC?"
oh and BTW coke im expecting an answer for the above question
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"Why are you B****ing about the GC?"
Well maybe if you wrote the question without the stars i could could answer!
And for the record the only thing i have seen nintendo produce that is half fun, is smash brothers. So no im not a misson to deface nintendo. I just want some D@MN answers!
BTW i expect an answer...
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coke the question was why are u b*tching about the GC?(now if u cant fill in that asterik yer legally stupid ;) )
u say u want answers to yer questions, well i\'m sorry to break it to ya but it seems that yer questions have been answered nearlly 10-15 post\'s back(or somewhere in between).
:)
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The fact that you can\'t connect the dots for yourself on some of these points amazes me Coke. If you don\'t like GC, don\'t buy one. You don\'t have to "save us fanboys" from this horrible fate though :rolleyes:
Where are the fighting games? Who cares is what I\'d like to know. So they haven\'t focused on fighting games. That\'s just one of many genres of games. If you want fighting games so bad, buy a PS2. GC is aimed at a different audience.
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"Hey im glad they dont have unnecessary things like a DVD player in the game cube, ...but i wish they brought out a game cube with a DVD player in it!" ..LOL!!!!
Actually, no it isn\'t. First off, I just think Panasonic should bring it over to see the difference in sales ratio\'s. Would people prefer the version without DVD playback or with it - and spend the extra cash? Another reason I think that, is for I wouldn\'t have to import one for my collection. I don\'t personally need another DVD player (I have three), but I do need \'The Q\' for my collection.
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I ain\'t gonna comment on most of the posts here, since really it\'s a waste of time. So many others have said what I want to say, and he still dosen\'t get the point. Anyhow, I do agree with Coke just a bit.. but probably not in the way he means. Nintnedo has always been a bit.. not quite underhanded.. but not quite honest either with a great deal many of their press releases. For example the time when they said their console had outsold the PSX by 40 million units. Many readers took that to mean the N64 far outsold the PSX... when it reality Nintnedo was refering to their GameBoy handheld system. At first this was an annoyance, and dimmed my view of Nintnedo. Anymore.. it\'s like a staple of how they do buisness. It\'s their style.. just like it was Sega\'s style to poke fun at Nintnedo and it\'s fans through advertisments. Sega\'s low blows at Nintnedo and their fanbase angered quite a few people through the years.. but now that they\'re gone it\'s one of their qualitys which is severly missed in the industry. I hope they do decide to continue their taunts against other competetors in the 3rd party arena like EA or Square.
There are quite a few reasons not to like Nintnedo as a company, and I don\'t blame anyone who does because quite honestly I feel the same way. However, as a game maker they are one of the best out there.. and not many can refute that point. It\'s not brainwashing Coke.. since most people buying the NGC know exactly what they\'re getting. They know of the lack of "extra" features.. they know of the higher price of games. But ya know what? That dosen\'t matter. They are buying it for the games.. which is the whole reason why you buy a game console in the first place. Expecially a game console made by Nintnedo.
This "brainwashing" can also be said for every single console in this generation.. with perhaps the exception of the Dreamcast which has made no promises they couldn\'t keep. Except that they would make it to the end of the generation.. which I doubt they realized they would have taken the path they did when they launched the DC. Microsoft claims the Xbox is "online" when to the vast majority of gamers out there.. it isn\'t. Sony claimed "Toy Story" quality graphics.. when in fact it hasn\'t delivered.. and barring a unparalled miracle of programing magic it will never deliver.
It\'s called PR and Spindoctoring. If you\'re going to harsh on one company for doing it, you\'d best be prepared to judge the competition by the same standards as well. From where I stand, none of the companies this generation can say that they\'re being completely honest about their console\'s preformace. They are all guilty of misleading the consumer and "brainwashing".
So lay off Nintnendo. If you have a personal criqute about them.. that\'s fine. Don\'t demonize them unless you have hard facts and circumstances that actually make them worse offenders than the competition.
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Well, I too am not too thrilled with the gamecube.
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Eternal Darkness
Pikimin
Resident Evil : Rebirth
Resident Evil 0
Mario Sunshine
Sega Soccer Slam
Super Monkey Ball
Super Monkey Ball 2
Star War: RS2
SSBM
Luigi\'s Mansion
Bomberman Generation\'s
Star Fox Adventures
Metriod Prime
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Even if all these games lived up to their promises, they wouldn\'t match up well against what xbox and PS2 are offering in the future--especially to a mature gamer.
Eternal Darkness isn\'t the system saviour everyone thought it was going to be. RE is terrible. STRS2 was dissappointing (how many times can you blow up a death star and still get thrills?). Luigi\'s is horrible, if a little charming. Bomberman is pretty old.
The remaining games are good or show promise. But at the end of the day you\'re left with cutesy graphics or polished remakes/sequels of long ago classics (all systems are getting their share of these).
If Metroid turns out to be just another FPS there is no reason for me to ever get one. That is my last hope. Every other game on that list has an equivalent on the PS2 or xbox; the difference is the presentation and target audience. The other difference is that the "other" consoles have games coming that have NO equal or equivalent on the GC.
You can cry Nintendo! Nintendo! all you want, but they seem a shadow of their former glory.
Btw, you forgot Zelda.
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Originally posted by PlagueBearer
Eternal Darkness, Pikmin, Resident Evil, Star Wars Rogue Squadron, Super Smash Brothers Melee... Those are good games without a doubt... Now continue... Oh... There are no more good games...
Now I\'m not trying to bash the Gamecube [I happen to own one] but I would like to see Nintendo correct this... Lack of games was the same problem that the N64 had... They should have solved that by now...
THE GAWD DAMN THING HAS ONLY BEEN OUT FOR 10 MONTHS!
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PlagueBearer: Thanks for the food, now go away.
Blah, this stuff tastes like chit.. no tip for you!
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I wish SONY leave the DVD crap out of the PS2..it\'s a low quality DVD player and frequently playing DVD on your fragile PS2 will shorten it\'s already pathetic hardware lifespan.
Nintendo has another version of the GC which can play DVD, so it\'s no big deal. If SONY have leave the DVD thing out of the console, I would have save some money since I already own a DVD player that does the job 10 times better.
Nintendo trying to brainwash....yeah rite. Like SONY and MS hasn\'t already gotten to u.... LOL
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/me kisses his PS2 which is in perfect working order that i use to play DVD\'s and all sorts of games frequently
Awwww, Paul you poor bubby :( I feel so sowwy for yoooouuuu! Does mommy not wubs your fuzzy bunny tummy no more? come here *pinches your cheeks* your so coot when you compwain wike this :sleepy:
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LOL :laughing:.
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You can be upset that there are no extras included with the Gamecube, but really now, since when did console GAMING become the ridicule of those looking to watch movies? I\'m sorry, but when I buy these things, the DVD feature is merely an extra, it\'s the game that make it worth the purchase in the first place. I didn\'t buy the Playstation 2 because I needed a DVD player, I bought it because I wanted Metal Gear Solid 2, I wanted Grand Theft Auto 3, I wanted Final Fantasy X... the list goes on and on. Do you even realize how idiotic you sound for complaining that a console, meant for gaming, is being sold solely as a gaming machine? Does anyone else think this guy is the second generation of Clowd? Heck, Clowd agrees with him.
The fact of the matter is this; there are all types of people out there looking for the best deals. I know when I went computer shopping, I shopped till I dropped, then finally plunked down the cash for it. With consoles, it\'s very simple. There are currently only three choices and in the end, it comes down to price and features. Tell me what you think about the XBox and its need for a DVD remote. The feature is there, but the device will cost you an extra 20 bucks in addition to the XBox itself. Are you really willing to spend an extra 50 dollars for a PS2 DVD player that has been scoffed at by every audio and videophile in existance as being a sub-par player worthy of only the cheapest bastards on the planet?
Come to think of it, if you were really that interested in DVD to begin with, you would have done all this research on your own and realized how fool hardy your arguements are, but instead, you bash Nintendo for being and advertising what it is. When I go to Electronics Boutique, I\'m not asking for Pearly Harbor Vista Series Director\'s Cut for Playstation 2 DVD, but I\'m asking for Metal Gear Solid 2 instead. Make of that what you may, but arguing for "more bang for your buck" is moronic when your "buck" only pays for the lowest end DVD player on the market has to offer. Hey, you get what you pay for though.
***Edit: Speaking of extras, where are those 4-controller ports on the PS2?
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Ryu is teh smart.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Well, I too am not too thrilled with the gamecube.
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Eternal Darkness
Pikimin
Resident Evil : Rebirth
Resident Evil 0
Mario Sunshine
Sega Soccer Slam
Super Monkey Ball
Super Monkey Ball 2
Star War: RS2
SSBM
Luigi\'s Mansion
Bomberman Generation\'s
Star Fox Adventures
Metriod Prime
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Even if all these games lived up to their promises, they wouldn\'t match up well against what xbox and PS2 are offering in the future--especially to a mature gamer.
Eternal Darkness isn\'t the system saviour everyone thought it was going to be. RE is terrible. STRS2 was dissappointing (how many times can you blow up a death star and still get thrills?). Luigi\'s is horrible, if a little charming. Bomberman is pretty old.
The remaining games are good or show promise. But at the end of the day you\'re left with cutesy graphics or polished remakes/sequels of long ago classics (all systems are getting their share of these).
If Metroid turns out to be just another FPS there is no reason for me to ever get one. That is my last hope. Every other game on that list has an equivalent on the PS2 or xbox; the difference is the presentation and target audience. The other difference is that the "other" consoles have games coming that have NO equal or equivalent on the GC.
You can cry Nintendo! Nintendo! all you want, but they seem a shadow of their former glory.
Btw, you forgot Zelda.
Luigi is horrible? Thats okay, its opinion. As for Bomberman being old, you should know that Bomberman still ranks as one of the single best multiplayer experiences in any game and you should also know that Bomberman Generation\'s is a completely new take on the character. Bomberman, the character may be gettin\' old, but so is every other company mascot / franchise. Point?
As for the comment about none of the games matching what the PS2 and Xbox has in the future. I\'ll give you the PS2 one, but you\'re stretching it with the Xbox. MS is in a slump and beyond a couple games they don\'t appear to have anything and it will probably stay like that. My XBox hasn\'t been touched since GunValkire and the so dissapointing Jet Set Radio Future.
Oh yeah, and Ryu = brilliant. Nice comment on four controller ports, I can\'t believe I didn\'t think of that!
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People arguing about Nintnedo making us think certain ways are pretty groundless.
Everyone knows they\'re trying to make money, same as everyone else.
That\'s why they went mini-disc. They still charge license fees, they slow pirating in places like Hong Kong where it costs them tons of money, but they can still sell at a competitive price to appeal to the consumer. Cartridge games were more expensive to the user.
That\'s why they chose mini-disc. If you were\'nt paying attention, it\'s because of money.
No one ever said "Nintendo is trying to lose money to keep us happy! They rock!"
And people complaining about a lack of games are groundless, too. I already have 14 games including SSX Tricky, Pikmin, Star Wars, Wave Race, Eternal Darkness, Monkey Ball, Smash Bros, Bomberman, Madden 2K2, Resident Evil, and Burnout. All this and there\'s a few that I\'ve passed on despite wanting like Sonic Adventure 2, NBA Street, Sega Soccer Slam, Wrestlemania X8, and Tony Hawk. And then there\'s the near future which holds Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime, Zelda, Dave Mirra XXX, Resident Evil 0, Super Monkey Ball 2, Phantasy Star Online, and Star Fox Adventures. Then of course we have games like 1080 Whitestorm, Mario Kart, Too Human, Perfect Dark, F-Zero, Starfox Space Shooter, Cameo: Elements of Power, and Wario World to look forward to.
But what do I know, I\'m brainwashed.
-Eik
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It Is a joke i say the cube sux ........spoiler...................spoiler..............spoiler..............games are $49.00 american dollars for a game system that still sells for $40.00 american dollars less than Xbox and PS2 and does gaming ...if i want just a gaming device i would by a pong , atari, sega , dreamcast, nintendo,super nintendo or nintindo 64 at a swap meet before i would spend my $150.00 dollars on a cube. and the games $49.00 when i could buy something else that does more..i like the cadilac,lincoln,limousine\'s too is all i got to say . money is just a thing i got 2 ps2 i bought $349.00 a piece that is almost $800.00 dallars not counting the games i have bought dvd\'s cd\'s and yes i also on another stereo and a dvd player too i like all the bells and whistles not counting my projection TV lol buy the cube if it suites youre taste in gaming ..everyone has an opinion on what they like this is mine and it wont change
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Ugh. No one is asking you to change your opinion. You have the right to have an opinion first of all, and you have the right to buy whatever you want to buy. I just want to make sure you are not avoiding the Cube for the wrong reasons.
It honestly sounds to me like people are buying the PS2 solely because it plays games and plays DVDs. If that\'s the case, then I wonder if this is your first gaming console. I wonder if you\'ve ever played a Dreamcast. I wonder if you\'ve ever played the Saturn, or the Super Nintendo, or... well, the list goes on and on. Pure gaming machines have been around since computers were invented and they will continue to prosper for the explicit fact that they do one thing really well; and that\'s play games.
To buy a console because it has a DVD player is a way to make one feel secure in their purchase when something just as good, if not better, is around for a cheaper price. What people fail to realize is that each console and company this generation shortchanges its buyers in some way, but only if the things it doesn\'t include really makes a difference to those with the money.
Does having 4-player split screen games matter that much? The PS2 only has 2-controller ports and yet still sells the most units so I guess not, but Sony is shortchanging you because of that fact.
The GCN is not a DVD player\\console, but it does have 4-controller ports. The sales thus far can\'t compare to Sonys, but Sony will never have the first party games that Nintendo has.
The XBox has 4 controller ports, DVD playback, a harddrive, a built in network card, and yet everyone seems to think very low of this console. Is it the fact that it\'s Microsoft that has turned the masses off to this console? It\'s so very strange that it gets dissed the most, yet offers the most for the price as well. What kind of double standards are you people running?
One question: Why do you own so many PS2\'s?
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I bought ps2 when it first came out. Can you name all the games it offers you to play on it that was my reason for buying it too.. There are to many games to list ps and ps 2 games out there and i love my 2 ps2\'s :laughing:Ive owned all the systems ryu i was playing pong probably before you were born or Intelevision and i also played the first final fantasy on nintendo and beat it.The difference when i was growing up in gaming was you couldnt beat them in the 70\'s like atari never beat a game back then. Only way we beat a game was to woop youre freind in tanks or jets or a paddle on each side of a black screen ...Things have really advanced from then to now ..they are made to beat so you can see the credits roll and dont forget the graphics too.
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Luigi is terrible, and short, and it really gets boring.
Bomberman, may still rank, so does Goldeneye, but I\'ve moved on and played enough BM to last me a lifetime. I don\'t require another fix. My point is just that, it\'s old. I made the same point with Mario and Blinx and platformers in general,
Right now, sure there hasn\'t been a great title released recently, but Outlaw Golf, World Series Baseball (and even Morrowind aparently) are good tie-overs. And it\'s not like the other consoles have been releasing compelling content this summer so that\'s a moot point.
And there are counterpart titles on the xbox.
Star Fox--Crimson Sky
Mario--Blix/Physchonoughts (sp?)
Zelda--Project Ego
Metroid--Halo/Unreal
I don\'t feel like going through every game, but you get my point.
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MovingStero, I think Console Debating is more suited for you. There is a difference in Console Discussion and Debating - so, yeah, I think Debating is more suited for you...
(*pushes the noobs and trolls over to Ginko\'s side of the board..* )[/size]
And Watchdog, I get your point, but I still disagree. I personally see more than enough reasons to own the NGC and espically at its low price, but oh well.
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you ask why do i own so many ps2\'s here is answer i was in a contest and my playstaytion 2 died so i had to buy another one at the time they were $299.00 so i bought another one to finish the contest. sony replaced my old ps 2 with a new one. i came in 31st place in the world in the contest metalgear solid 2 time attack but i would have been 21st but in the middle of all that i sent in wrong clear code by mistake i was in june edition in tips and tricks magazine 2002 :laughing: but this has nothing to do with this thread so here nintindo game cube is directed to a different type of gamer me i like realism not so cartoonish i liked nintendo until i got hooked into playstaytion console i owned 5 of those systems 2 of them had cool cd playback for music tv thought it was so cool i miss that function in playstation 2 :crying:
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Hey Watchdog.. why should a game on XBox completely nullify your interest in a game on another system?
It\'s like saying Shinobi wont interest you because Ninja Gaiden is on XBox. (<<<--- an actual example from TeamXBox). The fact is, they are different games and will offer different experiences, despite being in the same genre.
If Metroid were on XBox then that would be justified cause to hault your interest in the GCN version. However a game like Unreal should not, as they are not the same game.
The same goes for all the other games you listed. The possible exception being Mario as you doubt whether or not any of those games will offer anything different from eachother.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
MovingStero, I think Console Debating is more suited for you. There is a difference in Console Discussion and Debating - so, yeah, I think Debating is more suited for you...
(*pushes the noobs and trolls over to Ginko\'s side of the board..* )[/size]
Thanks LIC, I\'ll break him in nice and slow
Bob knows what I\'m talking about
:smokin:
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*No he doesnt.. :crying: *
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:laughing:
I love how this guy is so in love with Sony when he\'s gone through 7 Sony consoles.
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GNC is not that cheap for what it offers, the games are still the same price as the new Xbox and PS2 games ranging from $49.99 dollars. I have played the GNC and to be honest the disc cant cost that much to make there is less plastic used a 3\' in disc verses a 4 and 3/4 in disc and the graphics look the same if you ask me. I will give them credit on the memory card it is cheaper $19.99 but i like realism in a game not so cartoonish.. It is a shame that nintendo was the biggest game console at 1 time in the 1980\'s not to evolved to a higher level than it has. would you buy a car that has four wheels and motor for more than a car that has the same opptions. i dont think so Ill agre that the gas you put in those to look alike cars is the same price. but i would pay more for a car with a nice sound system a bigger motor,on star and a cool look...GNC it plays games Doh\' so does Xbox and PS2 but they do more too so what is nintendo\'s point not to have evolved there was a japaneese version of the cube it had a dvd player panasonic version they should have kept that concept if you asked me not everyone has money to throw in the wind if the games are the same price it will go down like the edsle did for ford... that is the way i feel about the GNC
I JUST CALL IT LIKE I SEE IT
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Is anybody else having as much trouble figuring out what moovingstereo is saying as I am?
Just FYI, The cost of a game doesnt actually come down to how much plastic is contained in the disc. It\'d be maybe 2cents difference.
Hey mooving.. imagine if you bought a car that when you plugged it into your television... COULD PLAY DVD\'s!!! :eek: OMFG YOU\'D BE IN HEAVEN!
GameCube = Plays games and plays them well. Cheapest console.
PS2 = Plays games and DVD\'s, however the DVD quality is bottom of the line.
XBox = Plays games, buy a remote control for $20 and it plays DVD\'s with high quality.
Quality of the games aside (youre obviously not concerned with that.. just what you get for your $$$) which is the best value? Personally I think they are all equal value just judging by that comparison.
It\'s funny, someone as cheap as you make yourself out to be should love GameCube.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Is anybody else having as much trouble figuring out what moovingstereo is saying as I am?
Just FYI, The cost of a game doesnt actually come down to how much plastic is contained in the disc. It\'d be maybe 2cents difference.
Hey mooving.. imagine if you bought a car that when you plugged it into your television... COULD PLAY DVD\'s!!! :eek: OMFG YOU\'D BE IN HEAVEN!
GameCube = Plays games and plays them well. Cheapest console.
PS2 = Plays games and DVD\'s, however the DVD quality is bottom of the line.
XBox = Plays games, buy a remote control for $20 and it plays DVD\'s with high quality.
Quality of the games aside (youre obviously not concerned with that.. just what you get for your $$$) which is the best value? Personally I think they are all equal value just judging by that comparison.
It\'s funny, someone as cheap as you make yourself out to be should love GameCube.
my van has a dvd in it OMG :nut: cant wait to plug it in. for $49.00 more get a real system now who is cheap lol:laughing:
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It doesn\'t completely nulify the GC, it just doesn\'t give me a compelling reason to get one. There will be enough similar games with more mature themes on the PS2 or xbox to keep me sated.
Metroid looks like just another FPS. But like I\'ve said previously, if it turns out to be something different/great, then I\'ll pick up a GC.
There are a lot of games that are going to be great for the PS2 and xbox that will have me busy enough. So while Star Fox may not be exactly like Crimson Skies, it\'s close enough, and it CS is aimed at a demographic that is more appealing to me. I don\'t want to be in control of a cute little fox, when given the preference, I\'ll take realism and grit every time.
I won\'t buy both Shinobi and NG. Right now I\'m leaning towards Shinobi. They will be similar enough for me. There are at least a dozen other games that have me excited enough be able to justify this decision. Different experiences they may be, but similar in many ways.
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GNC is not that cheap for what it offers, the games are still the same price as the new Xbox and PS2 games ranging from $49.99 dollars.
It sounds like you are taking this from a computer software standpoint. Computer software, which varies greatly from program to program, comes with a lot more depending on what you buy. For example, Photoshop is roughly $200 dollars retail, OfficeXP is $250, and 3DSMax is about $500. The difference with each program is the amount of work that goes into it.
What you fail to realize is that the amount of work that goes into games is irrelevant when it comes to price.
Metal Gear Solid 2 was 3-4 years in development and cost $50.
Eternal Darkness was 4 years in development and cost $50.
Ocarina of Time was 3 years in development and cost $50.
Halo: Combat Evolved was 3 years in development and cost $50.
See my point yet? Also, the media that a game comes on makes little difference to the consumer. The difference could be 3 cents, but even then, in the overall price, the consomer will not see that difference on their reciept as most games are priced around 44.99~49.99 anyways. A MiniDisc to a CD to a DVD to a GDRom makes no difference to the consumer. Why people still trip off the fact that some new PS2 games are only on a cd still bothers me somewhat because the amount of data on the disk makes no difference in comparison to what that data actually is and the data, not the amount of data, is what you pay for.
would you buy a car that has four wheels and motor for more than a car that has the same opptions.
Either you don\'t understand how the computer\\game industry works or you just can\'t make proper analogies. Here, I\'ll make one for you that even you can understand:
Lets say you buy a car and all it is is a shell, a few seats, a dashboard, and an engine. That\'s what you pay for when you buy at the lowest end of the barrel. When you buy extras, those extras will still cost the same no matter what type of car you drive. A Sony car CD player won\'t cost any more then $100 if it\'s in a Lexus, or BMW, or Honda, or a Cadillac, which you seem to love so much, unless the CD player were to come with a 5-disc CD changer, or an extended warranty. The CD player will always be the same price, no matter what car you put it in, understand? Lets take this anology one step further and suppose you wanted some music for that CD player and went to whatever hick store you visit and bought 6 music CD\'s. I can guarantee you that no CD, unless it\'s some type of special edition, will not cost anymore then another comparitive CD. The same is true for games unless the game comes with say a headset or maybe a new controller. Understand?
I don\'t know how I can make it any simpler. If you don\'t understand the difference and just shut up, then you really have some serious mental issues. If you don\'t understand that insult, then here\'s a diagram that I\'m sure even you can understand:
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again i reiterate(sp?) what was said earlier
Ryu = Teh smart
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the games are still the same price as the new Xbox and PS2 games ranging from $49.99 dollars.
They sure are. You forgot to have a point there...
I have played the GNC and to be honest the disc cant cost that much to make there is less plastic used a 3\' in disc verses a 4 and 3/4 in disc and the graphics look the some if you ask me.
And you suppose the biggest expense in creating software is paying for the plastic? As a matter of fact, the cost is almost identical. The only difference is a small licensing fee for third parties who buy the discs from Nintendo. But this fee is nothing next to what it used to charge developers.
On the other hand, I think you forgot to have a point here, too.
I will give them credit on the memory card it is cheaper $19.99 but i like realism in a game not so cartoonish..
Yea, other memory cards are overpriced. Hell, I still think $20 is too much. Of course, there\'s no point to that statement either, but wait! What\'s this? You\'re not satisfied with the GCN library? Well there you go, you might be a little misinformed as to what\'s out there, but nonetheless here\'s you reason for not wanting a GCN. That statement at least has a point to it.
And speaking of not having a point, you start talking about cars next...
Then your problem is that Nintendo gipped you on a DVD player. How could they let that happen, you wonder. I\'ll tell you, to keep the cost of the system down and cut losses when it comes to selling the hardware. It\'s what helps Nintendo position its system more easily as the cheapest on the market.
Nintendo tries to soften the blow to people like you who question the decision by saying they want to focus on games, but really, they wanted to focus on saving money.
If you\'re looking for a DVD player, then you won\'t find it on GCN, so you can look else where. If you\'re looking for good games ( how 1980s of us :rolleyes: ), though...
if you asked me not everyone has money to throw in the wind if the games are the same price it will go down... that is the way i feel about the GNC
So a $50 pricepoint for games is bad for GCN but just fine for Xbox and PS2? That makes as little sense now as when you first said it.
So the point is you "Don\'t know enough games you\'d like to buy, and you like your consoles to have a DVD player, big motor, air-conditioning, and a Sony logo."
One sentence. Your opinion.
All the other crap?
Crap.
-Eik
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well you figure out the savings both ways hmmmm $49.00 less for a game system and the software is still same price hmmm.. ive saved forty dollars. next summer i will buy a fan and save $500.00 dollars on an airconditioner it blows air too :laughing: [/ ive said all i can say.. the heat from having this debate has brain washed me i better go buy a cube
it boils down to heated debate need to cool off under airconditioner before it breaks down and i have to buy a fan too
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Now you\'ve forced me to quote myself.
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Originally posted by Ryu
Now you\'ve forced me to quote myself.
well name calling wont change my mind into buying a G cube i guess that is the best you can do
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Originally posted by moovingnstereo1
well name calling wont change my mind into buying a G cube i guess that is the best you can do
Are we suppose to be persuading you to buy a GC?
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Game Cube = Brain Washing!
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Originally posted by moovingnstereo1
Game Cube = Brain Washing!
Gamecube = Videogame Console
Is this suppose to go somewhere?
mind you, I haven\'t read most of this thread
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No one is forcing you to buy one. It\'s just you\'re so growsly misinformed about gaming consoles in general that I have to call you an idiot, especially since people have been trying to explain to you (for 3 pages mind you) just how everything works. It\'s fine you don\'t like the games, that\'s a very legit reason, one that I have not debated with you, but your others reasons are flawed and weak and because of those reasons, I rip on you. Besides that, I\'ve already tried reasoning with you once and it got me nowhere except you pretty much reposting your own stupidity and now I will call it as I see it. Reasoning with you is about as pointless as a fireman rushing into a burning building dressed in nylon.
***Edit: In case anyone was wondering, this is the e-mail I got from this moron. Read it and laugh.
you say im an idiot but you take things out of context and call me an IDIOT .. freind i got a few choice words for you maybe you will under stand? this is a debate about consoles and i was trying to make a point of how the game cube is not that much cheaper than a another one that does more and has 50X the amount of games in my state ment so do youre home work answer this question 1 how many games does game cube got .... now question 2 ..how much do they cost . Question 3.. you have allready answered this one what does it do question that is all for the cube and NOW ANSWER THIS FREIND QUESTION 1 HOWMANY GAMES ARE FOR PLAYSTAYTION AND PLAYSTAYTION 2 QUESTION 2..HOW MUCH DOES IT COST QUESTION 3 YOU HAVE ANSWERED THIS ONE ALL READY WHAT DOES IT DO QUESTION 4 WHO IS THE )))IDOIT((((
The number of games matter not if 90% of those games aren\'t worth your time. Unless of course, you enjoy Army Men and Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen games.
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Good for you Ginks, my brain is trying to escape through my left ear. Golly.
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Good for you Ginks, my brain is trying to escape through my left ear. Golly.
I\'ve found that packaging tape works quite well to prevent this from happening...
Anyway, judging from Ryu\'s e-mail he received it\'s not worth reading...
On the other hand, it is fun provoking and poking fun at the noobs...goes to find a big stick
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...bothers me somewhat because the amount of data on the disk makes no difference in comparison to what that data actually is and the data, not the amount of data, is what you pay for.
FIRST POINT
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Well, well, well.... lt seems Nintendo is REALLY getting to you son, isn’t it...yeah...
Firstly lets get some facts straight... Since the evolution of Nintendo, such REDICULOUS statements have been thrown back and forth. The fact kop the matter is, how much data on a disk DOES matter!! (BIG TIME!!)
I think your confused with the N64 (and lets face it guys, history repeats!) The N64 in its \'hay day\' wasn’t exactly the most BEEFY data containers was it? lets see... hmm... you could download a ROM version of Mario 64 off the net (not that id waste my time with crappy Nintendo...but word on the street and all..) that’s about the size of 2mb. On the other hand psx games were hundreds of mbs.... why is that?
OH hang on! cause they had full motion video! ...what’s that called?...its called a feature that Nintendo failed to meet and thus failed their fan base! many games took advantage of this on the pxs and Nintendo could not meet it (what’s new!)
But im sure when pxs had that feature all the Nintendo fan boys said something like "We don’t need that crapy full motion video, we have a pure games machine!..yay!!!" (pathetic!...LOL!!!)
Now what’s happened?...Nintendo have full motion video in their games! Talk about follow the leader..ha ha ha
SECOND POINT
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Lets examine another short coming in Nintendo’s attempt of dominating the gaming market. Probably the most important factor, that even Nintendo heads have mentioned,...the games.
How many games a system can support is of VITAL importance!! I know ps2 supports a backward compatible software component. Thus, allowing for its customers to indulge in 2 generations of gaming pleasure.
..Can Nintendo do this?..well im sure a few Nintendo fan boys are so freakin\' brain washed they\'ve already tried ramming a n64 cartridge into their Game cube ...LOL!!!! (PATHETIC!!!)
Haha... im falling off my chair now laughing at imaging it.
NINTENDO FAN BOY: "Mommy this wont get into my pure gaming machine" (fan boy repeadely raming n64 catridge into game cube disk holder)
MOMMY: "Thats right fan boy, casue its for pure gaming!"
HAHahjahahahaaaaa.........
CONCLUSION
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The moral of this story is this; Nintendo trys hard to follow in the foot steps of is far superior competitors. Even after bringing a system out after the other guys, they still cant compete. The amount of titles available for the ps2 console/DVD player is astronomical! Nintendo can not, nor will meet such demands that their fan bas puts upon them. "Why?"...(I hear you ask). Because they can get away with it. Pure and simple reason guys!... Your brain washed! Actually the next console they will be bring out will be called \'LA-BOT-A-ME" ...LOL!!!!!! HAHAHAHahahahaha
ahahahahaahahah
MUGhahhahhhhahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!
As for who ever keeps going on about their \'pure gaming system\' cr@p. Well listen here: X-box2 is coming out with an set top digital transmitter to allow for the introduction of standardization of digital TV.. Im sure Nintendo fan boys will say its cr@p, then Nintendo will bring one out!@ hahahahaha... (this is toooo SAD!!!)
P.S Hey Big Daddy! ..feel free to join in on our little debate!!
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cause they had full motion video! ...what’s that called?...its called a feature that Nintendo failed to meet and thus failed their fan base! many games took advantage of this on the pxs and Nintendo could not meet it (what’s new!)
The stupidity here is astounding. Look little n00b, go and play Resident Evil 2 on the N64 and if you ever use that FMV arguement again, I\'ll slap you silly. The only time where FMV REALLY made a difference in how the game was played was with Fear Effect 1 and Fear Effect 2 and those games used FMV in the background straming. Other then those 2 games, no others used it. Of course though, you can also try out those FMV only games or the cut-scenes in Warhawk, but I doubt anyone actually enjoyed those mainly because the acting there was terrible. Even Apcolypse, which motion captured Bruce Willis, failed to meet expectations. It was still a terrible game.
Other then that, FMV\'s have been used to tell stories and the main games that it is used for is with Square games, but low and behold, even squaresoft avoids that (IE Vagrant Story) as does the best PSX game ever released which was Metal Gear Solid and that game did not have one SHRED of FMV in it. You can argue the "feature" all you want, but in the end, the N64 had it too and that\'s a fact.
Secondly, backwards compatibility is a nice feature indeed, but no other system does it and yet you only rip on Nintendo. How many systems actually have done that ever since Atari? None. A game library is a good thing to have, but again, it all comes down to the games that are actually worth playing and first and foremost, most people who bought a PS2 also bought a PSX and got their gaming goodness fulfilled there. The backwards compatibility is a nice feature, albeit underutilized, but I heard some company started making a game that utilized the PSX chipset for some simple AI routine. I forget which one though.
The amount of titles available for the ps2 console/DVD player is astronomical!
Numbers never interest me. The PSX has something upwards of 1000 titles last time I heard, but just how many of them were really worth owning? I\'m betting 30 at most. Do you see the ratio? You\'re so interested in numbers, I\'ll even do the math for you:
1:33
For every 1 good game out for the PSX, there\'s 33 others that are worth renting at BEST. If you think THAT is a good number, then I pity you. More games is fine, but it\'s a matter of good games that interest me and Nintendo puts out polished titles almost every time. Why suddenly is that a bad thing?
Well listen here: X-box2 is coming out with an set top digital transmitter to allow for the introduction of standardization of digital TV
Oh yes, that\'s brilliant. I wonder how that will actually come into play when it comes to me picking up a control pad and playing Halo 3. It\'s brilliant, really brilliant, how people can want a console based on its extras rather than for the sole purpose of its existance: GOOD GAMES.
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Originally posted by Coke
OH hang on! cause they had full motion video! ...what’s that called?...its called a feature that Nintendo failed to meet and thus failed their fan base! many games took advantage of this on the pxs and Nintendo could not meet it (what’s new!)
FMV doesn\'t hinder gameplay. It\'s merely another way to deliver a story...not the only way.
Lets examine another short coming in Nintendo’s attempt of dominating the gaming market. Probably the most important factor, that even Nintendo heads have mentioned,...the games.
How many games a system can support is of VITAL importance!!
How many games a console supports isn\'t as important as to what games it has.
Backwards compatability is nice but was clearly not an option for GC.
The moral of this story is this; Nintendo trys hard to follow in the foot steps of is far superior competitors. Even after bringing a system out after the other guys, they still cant compete. The amount of titles available for the ps2 console/DVD player is astronomical! Nintendo can not, nor will meet such demands that their fan bas puts upon them.
Actually Nintendo has set themselves apart...that\'s quite apparent seeing as how they have a "Quality over Quantity" approach, different art directions in their games, not including a DVD player...
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Amazing. A post that long with pointless info, and false assumptions, and you still didn\'t get a single point across.
Originally posted by Coke
FIRST POINT
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Well, well, well.... lt seems Nintendo is REALLY getting to you son, isn’t it...yeah...
Firstly lets get some facts straight... Since the evolution of Nintendo, such REDICULOUS statements have been thrown back and forth. The fact kop the matter is, how much data on a disk DOES matter!! (BIG TIME!!)
I think your confused with the N64 (and lets face it guys, history repeats!) The N64 in its \'hay day\' wasn’t exactly the most BEEFY data containers was it? lets see... hmm... you could download a ROM version of Mario 64 off the net (not that id waste my time with crappy Nintendo...but word on the street and all..) that’s about the size of 2mb. On the other hand psx games were hundreds of mbs.... why is that?
OH hang on! cause they had full motion video! ...what’s that called?...its called a feature that Nintendo failed to meet and thus failed their fan base! many games took advantage of this on the pxs and Nintendo could not meet it (what’s new!)
But im sure when pxs had that feature all the Nintendo fan boys said something like "We don’t need that crapy full motion video, we have a pure games machine!..yay!!!" (pathetic!...LOL!!!)
Now what’s happened?...Nintendo have full motion video in their games! Talk about follow the leader..ha ha ha
And that\'s why Nintendo switched to discs for this generation. Their past choices don\'t have any effect on their current games.
Originally posted by Coke
SECOND POINT
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Lets examine another short coming in Nintendo’s attempt of dominating the gaming market. Probably the most important factor, that even Nintendo heads have mentioned,...the games.
How many games a system can support is of VITAL importance!! I know ps2 supports a backward compatible software component. Thus, allowing for its customers to indulge in 2 generations of gaming pleasure.
..Can Nintendo do this?..well im sure a few Nintendo fan boys are so freakin\' brain washed they\'ve already tried ramming a n64 cartridge into their Game cube ...LOL!!!! (PATHETIC!!!)
Haha... im falling off my chair now laughing at imaging it.
NINTENDO FAN BOY: "Mommy this wont get into my pure gaming machine" (fan boy repeadely raming n64 catridge into game cube disk holder)
MOMMY: "Thats right fan boy, casue its for pure gaming!"
HAHahjahahahaaaaa.........
X-Box isn\'t backwards compatable either, since it had no console predating it. Why aren\'t you insulting that? Nintendo changed their format. Are you saying that\'s a bad thing? Besides, if you want an N64, just buy one. You can get them pretty cheap right now. Your vision of a "fanboy" doing that is one of the saddest things I\'ve heard in a while...on your part.
Originally posted by Coke
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The moral of this story is this; Nintendo trys hard to follow in the foot steps of is far superior competitors. Even after bringing a system out after the other guys, they still cant compete. The amount of titles available for the ps2 console/DVD player is astronomical! Nintendo can not, nor will meet such demands that their fan bas puts upon them. "Why?"...(I hear you ask). Because they can get away with it. Pure and simple reason guys!... Your brain washed! Actually the next console they will be bring out will be called \'LA-BOT-A-ME" ...LOL!!!!!! HAHAHAHahahahaha
ahahahahaahahah
MUGhahhahhhhahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!
As for who ever keeps going on about their \'pure gaming system\' cr@p. Well listen here: X-box2 is coming out with an set top digital transmitter to allow for the introduction of standardization of digital TV.. Im sure Nintendo fan boys will say its cr@p, then Nintendo will bring one out!@ hahahahaha... (this is toooo SAD!!!)
P.S Hey Big Daddy! ..feel free to join in on our little debate!!
You say even though they came out after PS2, they can\'t compete, then say the reason is because they don\'t have as many games? Surely I don\'t need to show even you what\'s wrong with that logic.
The fact that you\'re even talking about X-Box2 now is sad. It shows that the company is already looking beyond the current system, which just came out really. There\'s something wrong with that.
And you say that Nintendo can\'t keep up with competitors, then endorse X-Box? Look at the sales figures. I think they speak for themselves. If there is is system out of those two that isn\'t keeping up, it\'s not the Gamecube.
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Ryu, don\'t feel special about MovingStero e-mailing you, as he sent me a couple PM\'s lastnight after I closed a thread he ruined in Console Discussion.
As for Coke\'s idea about how you could download a ROM of the N64 - on the same note you could download PSone games off FTP sites. What is your point? And as for your exclusive Xbox2 news, where did you get this? Hell, I\'ll be amazed if MS even wants to make another one (despite what they say) after this generation is over, but that is a whole other debate.
And while we\'re on this subject, you are complaining about the NGC not offering DVD playback , even though it is the cheapest of units. So, why are you not bitching about MS charging the same as Sony, but still making people shell out another $30 dollars for the actual unit to enable that DVD playback. If I was going to bitch about a company rippin\' people off, I would probably bitch about MS and their idea about including DVD playback.
And while we are at this whole thing and you are bringing up how Sony lead the industry into full motion video...I think you forget the many other cd-based systems before Sony. Pansonic 3DO? Philips CD-I? Sega CD? The list goes on and on. There WAS full motion video before the PSone. Big whoopie!
And if your idea that backwards compabitlity was vital, than we wouldn\'t be where we are today. It is a nice touch, but not vital and in some cases not possible and in the NGC case it was not an option. What was Nintendo suppose to do? Make the NGC cartridge based, just so they could add backawards compatablity?
Do us a favor Coke and Moving...Please, think before you post this crap, as anything you have posted has been easily knocked down. The funny part of it all is you are on a PS2 board and even PS2 fans realize that you guys are idiots..
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Ryu...
Lots of other consoles have been backwards-compatible...
Genesis
Game Gear
SNES
Game Boy Color
Game Boy Advanced
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Ashford: True!
Only the two Game Boys were backwards-compatible out of the box though. You needed adapters for the others.
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And notice that this means that half of the backwards compatible systems ever made were Nintendo ones.
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Nintendo, quite simply, want to give their customers the best value for money available. I mean if the GBC-GBA compatibility isnt enough, then they go and drop the PAL price to £130. And they wouldnt charge extra if there was a DVD player on it, I can assure you.
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Look buddy, Nintendo made some mistakes where the N64 was concern. Catridges as we know weren\'t the way to go, yet it is quite astonishing what they managed to do on that hardware. As Ryu pointed out, there are some games that were able to contain FMVs, although they were very expesive to bring on to.
I think Nintendo went the "game-only" machine this generation because it simply did not have the choice. With its later launch date and less experience with DVD-Players (Matsushita has, but I doubt they would support a DVD-console in all territories), it simply needed an edge to even hope to compare against the established leader and the newcomer Microsoft. Going the "gaming-only" route they were able to keep prices low.
Brainwashing? Maybe, but then, any company will do that in order to sell their product. As it seems though, you\'ve been brainwashed by some serious fanboys yourself. ;) See the irony?
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The "game-only" route was simply the best choice when you consider how crowded the market is now. Going that way let them keep the price low due to the fact they did not include un-needed hardware.
Now I know some people are goin\' to start bitching about how the NGC disc format doesn\'t hold near as much as a standard DVD , but does it really matter? So far, developers have not truly taken advantage of the DVD format, \'cept for cinemas - which are overdone in my opinion (once again, another debate for another time). And even if the space is needed the developers can easily add another disc or two to the package and the customer will not pay anymore money than they would for a one disc game, just like the last generation of multi-disc cd games.
As for the comment about history repeating itself with Nintendo. I think that is foolish to say when you look at the past and present circumstances. Nintendo did mess up last generated and opted to go with the cartridge format due to the fact they was scared of piracy. This made for expensive games, high risk for third parties and many more problems. Nintendo has publicly admitted to this mistake and they fixed it this generation. They left the cartridge format and went with the mini-DVD\'s. Yes, it is a propiertary (typo) format but it still does not cost the consumer anymore than a regular DVD.
And finally, I know this point has been touched before, but I am goin\' to mention it one last time. If you are so worried about DVD playback than I suggest you go invest in a STAND-ALONE DVD PLAYER, because the PS2 and Xbox DVD playback is nothing compared to a good stand alone DVD player.
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Now I know some people are goin\' to start bitching about how the NGC disc format doesn\'t hold near as much as a standard DVD , but does it really matter? - L-I-C
No, it dosen\'t. Using cartridges on the N64 was a mistake. Not a whole lot of people can deny that, although I don\'t think it degraded the ability to have fun with these games in the slightest. Sure FMV is nice.. but it\'s not a gameplay feature. It\'s not necessarry.. and honestly, most of em are so crappy that they\'re not even enjoyable to watch nine times outta ten. Of course, the one bytching about that is also complaining about not being able to watch movies on the NGC. We all see where his priorities lie. Personally, I don\'t think he deserves any consoles this generation.. since it\'s obvious all he wants to do is watch movies.
Anyhow, back to the point. Even tho the mini-dvd does hold less data than a standard DVD.. it\'s not going to limit games in the slightest. Unlike cartridges, you can pop CD\'s & DVD\'s out at certain points and replace them with the next disk in sequence. Sure, this is going to force Nintnedo and their developers to use more disks for bigger games... but guess what? The games will still sell for a MSRP of $49.99.
BTW Ryu, there\'s quite a few titles on the PSX that use FMV. Final Fanatsy uses it extensively in the backgrounds.. and often mixes gameplay scenes with pre-rendered movies. That\'s jus one example.. and also.. MGS had FMV too. Remeber after Snake saves the ArmsTech president and they\'re talking about the post cold war proliferation of nuclear arms? Or how about Liquid\'s lil triat about cloning and genetics on top of the ruined Metal Gear Ray?
Ok.. so none of it is really necessarry. You\'d be hard-pressed to find a game on the PSX aside from Interactive Movies that have found a way to incorperate FMV video into the actual gameplay. Still tho.. it does have FMV.
You don\'t have to get all bent outta shape arguing with these monkeys.. I think everyone here already knows just how much weight their opinions hold. :)
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Nintendo cuts three costs with the mini-DVD.
A. Production. Supposedly they\'re slightly cheaper than a normal DVD to manufacture.
B. Obviously, every GCN game played on every GCN system is 100% legal. No loss of money to pirates.
C. No need to stream from HDD. Smaller disc, faster loading time. I still think that they really should have included a HDD with the system.. but at least the short seek-time on the mini-DVD fills part of that void. Booya.
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Dreamcast died because of people like Coke.
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Firstly lets get some facts straight... Since the evolution of Nintendo, such REDICULOUS statements have been thrown back and forth. The fact kop the matter is, how much data on a disk DOES matter!! (BIG TIME!!)
WRONG! Just look back on the PSX, FF7, 3 disks, also one of the best games of all time. Grandia, 2 disks, a GREAT game. Xenogears, 2 disks, one of the BEST on the psx.
Those are just a mer 1/100th games that are great with multiple disks.
Your 2nd statement has a point but its pathetic.....PS2 is the first console to have backwards capability. Most psx owners bought a PS2 and kept their PSX so I dont really care and this doesnt effect the games on the gamecube.
Youve neen talking about no DVD drive......GET OFF YOU LAZY ARSE AND BUY A DVD PLAYER! Its not that hard just go buy one!
They Used mini disks to save money. Simple as that. Sure it has less memory but overall if your running the company its a smart decision.
May I ask how its brainwashing when its just trying to say its console it mainly for game when it IS mainly for gaming.
Why would Nintendo try to follow a fellow competitor. Nor have I seen it try to follow the same path of the PS2. PSX- More mature and Disk, N64- Not as mature and cartridge. Ps2- Disk, DVD Mature. NGC- on the path to be Mature (re, ed, ect) No dvd mini disc.
As you can see there is no indication of Nintendo trying to follow the competition.
Atleast I have heard someone beat the crap out of someone Because they lost to someone in Super Smash Bro.
Give me a break Coke..... you cant tell what B****ing is? And you accually expect us to agree with an idiot like you!? :laughing:
This argument you have started here is based on nothing more that since GC doesnt have extra stuff that has nothing to do with gameing its a horrible system. And if you dont like the gaming library too bad! Millions of other people DO! Your points are idiotic and very small problems with the system. If you want to bash a system try X-Box. 3/4 of their games are PC games I dont see you crying about that.
Me and most other gamers would choose very good games (platformers on GC, RE, Metroid, ect.) Over some silly ports.
Dont cry to us about what you think of a system its all your opinion! We really could care less if you think Nintendo is trying to brainwash us.(Idiotic remark) Or if you are going to cry in your little ine cornered house about GC not having DVD or CD capability.
You also said youve never played a GC but you still are able to say its games suck and it sucks. Now thats SAD. :laughing:
Your posts in this thread have been repeating themselves and becoming more idiotic from one to another just stop trying to brainwash us into think GC is trash because it sure isnt. I myself own a GC and im very satisfied. I also own a PS2 so I dont have to cry about DVD or CD or no backwards capadabilty. DOnt post such ignorant crap you stupid noob.
I rest my case.:( :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Nintendo cuts three costs with the mini-DVD.
A. Production. Supposedly they\'re slightly cheaper than a normal DVD to manufacture.
B. Obviously, every GCN game played on every GCN system is 100% legal. No loss of money to pirates.
C. No need to stream from HDD. Smaller disc, faster loading time. I still think that they really should have included a HDD with the system.. but at least the short seek-time on the mini-DVD fills part of that void. Booya.
Blade, I disagree:
A: what makes you think production of this "mini cd" is cheaper than that of a DVD?
B: Agreed.
C: What makes you think a disc with smaller radius has a significant higher transfer rate? Unless you know the actual data transfer rate, this is pure speculation of how much faster it is than a CD/DVD drive. And btw; no matter how big the radius of your disc is - it will never be able to compete against the transfer rate of a HD.
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In the words of Solid Snake 88...
STFU n00b!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Your 2nd statement has a point but its pathetic.....PS2 is the first console to have backwards capability. Most psx owners bought a PS2 and kept their PSX so I dont really care and this doesnt effect the games on the gamecube.
Actually, you\'re wrong. Atari done it back in the early days and since then there has been converted released to allow other systems like an Super NES play NES games,etc.
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game cube=game console,,,,,,, PSX=gaming system,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, X box=gaming system................................................................. k they all play games, do you realize that they play some of the same TITLE games too hmmm
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Cloud345: Errm, no.
Seven: Good points, my friend. Perhaps, anyway.
what makes you think production of this "mini cd" is cheaper than that of a DVD?
It\'s equal or less, I know this from reading about it. Don\'t ask for a link. The mini-DVD is just a DVD, but a smaller size.. right? I\'d assume that smaller = cheaper, and the anti-piracy "strip" applied to each disc doesn\'t cost anything.
What makes you think a disc with smaller radius has a significant higher transfer rate? Unless you know the actual data transfer rate, this is pure speculation of how much faster it is than a CD/DVD drive. And btw; no matter how big the radius of your disc is - it will never be able to compete against the transfer rate of a HD.
I\'m pretty sure that both PS2 and GCN have 4X DVD drives.
A mini-DVD running at 4X is going to seem faster than a DVD running at 4X. Less seek-time. Disagree?
And yes, being a fairly knowledgable PC user.. I know how fast a HDD is compared to optical media.
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Actually, you\'re wrong. Atari done it back in the early days and since then there has been converted released to allow other systems like an Super NES play NES games,etc.
WRONG! Why? Because I said so :p
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Originally posted by moovingnstereo1
game cube=game console,,,,,,, PSX=gaming console,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, X box=gaming console................................................................. k they all play games, do you realize that they play some of the same TITLE games too hmmm
in the interest of increasing my post count...
Yes, they do play some of the same titles...however Gamecube has a very strong first party line-up.
Where is this going?:sconf:
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Seeing how this forum has gone so stale since my absence, I decided to post again.
Coke, let them have their Nintendo. No matter what you say about it they will make up a silly excuse to cover for Nintendo. Its just wasting time.
And yes Coke I agree with you 100% on everything.
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Clowd, that\'s sad to hear...you were gaining back credibility from me and probably from a few other members. You\'re posts of late have been well thought out and rational...this however nulifies all that.
Seeing as how Coke has yet to return and argue his side, I\'d say his points are moot...
Why don\'t you prove otherwise? Maybe you can liven\' up the forums a bit...lol
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No. Clowd will just tell you that he has "loads of experience" with said gaming console and then proceed to "nullify" all of our points with biased links from sony and microsoft sites and then refuse to tell us why he doesn\'t like nintendo but continually question why we do. It\'s a scary circle because he thinks he can\'t be proven wrong and that he is king debate. It\'s hilarious to watch and ridicule, but not fun to actually participate in. Let me put it this way:
Talking some sense into Clowd is about as easy as trying to perform brain surgery on yourself.
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Originally posted by Blade
Cloud345: Errm, no.
Seven: Good points, my friend. Perhaps, anyway.
what makes you think production of this "mini cd" is cheaper than that of a DVD?
It\'s equal or less, I know this from reading about it. Don\'t ask for a link. The mini-DVD is just a DVD, but a smaller size.. right? I\'d assume that smaller = cheaper, and the anti-piracy "strip" applied to each disc doesn\'t cost anything.
What makes you think a disc with smaller radius has a significant higher transfer rate? Unless you know the actual data transfer rate, this is pure speculation of how much faster it is than a CD/DVD drive. And btw; no matter how big the radius of your disc is - it will never be able to compete against the transfer rate of a HD.
I\'m pretty sure that both PS2 and GCN have 4X DVD drives.
A mini-DVD running at 4X is going to seem faster than a DVD running at 4X. Less seek-time. Disagree?
And yes, being a fairly knowledgable PC user.. I know how fast a HDD is compared to optical media.
hehe, no worries. Sorry \'bout that, guess I was just nitpicking a bit after trying to avoid posting in this thread for so long.. :)
About the DVD/MiniCD price comparasment. I am quite sure that Nintendo doesn\'t produce them, but Matshushita does. So in that essence, it\'s definately cheaper for Nintendo since they would not have to pay any licensing fees as they would have if they went with DVDs (to Sony i.e.). What makes me believe that the MiniCD is more expensive in the long run is the manufacturing process which is more expensive to my knowledge, since it\'s a new medium.
Anyway, this is not really relevant anyway as the consumer doesn\'t pay for the amount of discs in the game. The advantage is no piracy and that is a very big plus. :)
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Originally posted by Clowd
Coke, let them have their Nintendo. No matter what you say about it they will make up a silly excuse to cover for Nintendo. Its just wasting time.
I\'ll bet a lot of the people posting here don\'t even have gamecubes. Coke\'s claims were just so ignorant and moronic, that everyone can see how wrong they are. Well, everyone but you.
Originally posted by Clowd
And yes Coke I agree with you 100% on everything.
You\'re just as much of a moron as he is then. As if we didn\'t already know that. How can you agree with that? Hell, I\'d love to see you try to put together a logical post to back him up.
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Coke, let them have their Nintendo. No matter what you say about it they will make up a silly excuse to cover for Nintendo. Its just wasting time.
And yes Coke I agree with you 100% on everything.
Thank god there\'s atleast one person here with some brains!!
As for the rest of you, i really couldnt be bothered reading the rest of that bollocks you all wrote. Ive made my points. If you have any smarts you\'ll listen to the good word.
One further point id like to make is this....
All you nintendo dild0s out there are screaming about how great it is to have a \'pure gaming machine\', and then when the fact that its pointed out that its missing a DVD player you all cry
"Oh we like to save money on our cheap a$sed console"
Well think about this, what are you going to do when you want to watch a DVD? Casue your gaming machine sure as hell doesnt have one. You\'ll have to go out an purchase one for around $300.
Geez, what great logic guys! Save $70 on your console and spend an extra $300 on a DVD player..... WHAT A BUNCH OF TOOLS!!
PS2 and X-box both have DVD players. Nintendo has jack all going fo it!! I reluctantly played fifa 2002 on my friends game cube (after playing the x-box verision)...and i almost threw up after seeing how crapy nintendo looked compared to the x-box.
Wake up guys,...before you become Brain-Washed more!!
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Anyway, this is not really relevant anyway as the consumer doesn\'t pay for the amount of discs in the game. The advantage is no piracy and that is a very big plus.
This point has already been addressed. If its such a "Very big Plus"...who the plus to?..nintendo, but thats about it. The consumer just looses out by paying MORE for a game thats supposed to be piracy resistant. GREAT IDEA to have a mini disk hey!!! Nintendo ripping you off and you cant even see it, ...truly PATHETIC.
Here are some words that come to mind when i think about nintendo fanboys:
* Wretched
* Dismal
* Sad
* Pitiable
* Weak
* Useless
* Feeble
...LOL!! Need I continue!!!!
May I ask how its brainwashing when its just trying to say its console it mainly for game when it IS mainly for gaming.
Tell me this then...how happy would you be if you bough a car that cost\'s almost the same as other cars and it didnt have A/C, cruise control, 2 air bags, ABS...etc etc... NOW if you paid the virtually the same price as another car that DOES have these features...well i think almost every perosn would think you an idi0t fo making such a purchase.. Same concept here buddie!
WAKE UP FANBOY!!
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*does the "this thread\'s gonna get locked soon" -dance*
Coke, good fellow, do you think before you post? Or do you just think, forget about what the hell you\'re supposed to say and go on with typing useless inane crap? Or are you just a sad, bored individual having fun by behaving like a retard?
I just can\'t bother tearing you a new one or a few, \'cause people have done that already and will continue to do so as long as you keep up your idiot antics here.
What the hell is your problem... I feel sorry for you... :(
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Actually, DVD players do not cost $300 hundred dollars and you should ask yourself. What are you goin\' to do when your PS2/Xbox refuses to read certain DVD\'s or play the sound for them, because they have half-assed DVD support.
Yeah, I thought so...
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Maybe it\'s been said before but isn\'t Coke just Cloud with a different user name?
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*does the "this thread\'s gonna get locked soon" -dance*
Hehehe...The dancing jig of doom!! *Not yet...
Coke, I doubt any of us bought a PS2 or Xbox for the DVD player. We buy consoles for their primary purpose...to play videogames. Whatever extras it might have on it are great, but not necessary.
Do you honsetly think anyone who bought a GC was upset because they didn\'t get a DVD player in it?
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Do you honsetly think anyone who bought a GC was upset because they didn\'t get a DVD player in it?
Yes. But for some reason, I think the majority of those disappointed didn\'t even buy the system. ;)
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DIE NINTENDO DIE!!!
oops, im sorry
/me goes back into closet
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Originally posted by Coke
Well think about this, what are you going to do when you want to watch a DVD?
Probably use the DVD player in the living room. One time I used the PS2 in my room, though... Hell, I might even be able to use the DVD player in my computer, though there\'d be no reason for me to do that.
So that was easy, now you think about this, what are you going to do when you want to play Mario Sunshine, Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil 0, Super Monkey Ball 2, Legend of Zelda, Star Fox: Adventures, Too Human, 1080: White Storm, F-Zero, Wrestlemania X8, Mario Kart, Perfect Dark Zero, Metroid Prime, Super Smash Bros: Melee, Pikmin, or Wave Race: Blue Storm?
:rolleyes:
-Eik
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Sweet. That\'ll come in handy tommorrow. We are having a quiz night and the theme is "GameCube specs". Youre post was really helpful mooving.
:)
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Originally posted by Coke
Tell me this then...how happy would you be if you bough a car that cost\'s almost the same as other cars and it didnt have A/C, cruise control, 2 air bags, ABS...etc etc... NOW if you paid the virtually the same price as another car that DOES have these features...well i think almost every perosn would think you an idi0t fo making such a purchase.. Same concept here buddie!
WAKE UP FANBOY!!
Except we are paying LESS for the part with less features, the console, and the same price for the part that is the same quality, the games. We aren\'t paying more for games, as you said earlier in your post. How about posting something halfway intelligent next time.
Most people already have some way to play DVDs. Why would they want to spend extra to add another, lower quality DVD player to their collection? That\'s what doesn\'t make any sense.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Most people already have some way to play DVDs. Why would they want to spend extra to add another, lower quality DVD player to their collection? That\'s what doesn\'t make any sense.
Explain how the PS2\'s DVD is low quality
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I wouldn\'t say low... "adequate" would be more like it.
And shockwaves didn\'t say "low quality". "Loooooweeeeerrrrr", there\'s a difference. Standalone DVD-players just tend to be better that the PS2 when it comes to DVD playback. I wonder why... the other machine is mainly for gaming, and the other one built for the aforementioned purpose? Hmmm... Think about it.
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Originally posted by Clowd
Explain how the PS2\'s DVD is low quality
ever used it??? [goes back to sniffing paste]
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Originally posted by Hawke
I wouldn\'t say low... "adequate" would be more like it.
And shockwaves didn\'t say "low quality". "Loooooweeeeerrrrr", there\'s a difference. Standalone DVD-players just tend to be better that the PS2 when it comes to DVD playback. I wonder why... the other machine is mainly for gaming, and the other one built for the aforementioned purpose? Hmmm... Think about it.
Well my DVD rom plays games and movies. So does that take away from its DVD movie playback quality?
PS2 has the quality of a $250 dollar DVD player. And believe me most families dont spend much more then that for DVD players
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Pposting system specs isn\'t a valid arguement at all. If you really think it is, then I dare you to compare the PS2 to any of the other two next gen consoles and from your perspective, the PS2 just isn\'t worth the cash because it\'s really dated in comparison. Don\'t post your stupid specs ever again because me, along with anyone else who has been on this board for a year will tell you that specs are about the stupidest way to argue because they prove nothing. You\'re just an idiot, plain and simple. Go back to your tight wad lifestyle and get the hell off the boards. We already have enough stupid members to fill the void and right now, the boats full.
As for the rest of you, i really couldnt be bothered reading the rest of that bollocks you all wrote.
You won\'t read our posts yet you think you are write? That\'s like a detective saying you\'re guilty because you look like it.
"Oh we like to save money on our cheap a$sed console"
You mean like the people who refuse to buy a stand alone dvd player to save money ont he PS2\'s cheap ass DVD player? Come on now. Think about this; With the XBox, the PS2, my computer, AND my standalone player, I have 4 DVD players in my household. Do I really need another one? It\'s not being cheap, it\'s just the practicallity of it all. Besides, you own a PS2, what\'s the point of wanting the GCN to include a DVD player anyways? It\'s still 50 dollars cheaper as well because it doesn\'t include one. Why you are still b|tching is beyond me.
Casue your gaming machine sure as hell doesnt have one. You\'ll have to go out an purchase one for around $300.
Now that\'s funny. I actually did a search and wasted my time just to prove that you really don\'t do any of the shopping in your household.
http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=11099596&m=1&cat=32&scat=244
Price: 64.99 and it plays CDs, DVDs, CDRWs, and has many other features. So for 10 dollars more, I get the GCN, and this stand alone player that blasts the PS2 player right out of the water. I hate being right all the damn time.
I\'m so sure your mommy and daddy bought you your PS2 and now you feel a little insecure because other people around you are actually having FUN playing their respective consoles. How sad for you. Get a job. Buy some stuff and maybe you\'ll realize that us GAMING ENTHUSIASTS (meaning people who buy consoles to PLAY GAMES) actually know a good game when we see one. You on the other hand, are just in it for hardware and you\'re kidding yourself if you think the best reason to avoid a console is because it\'s not a DVD player.
This point has already been addressed. If its such a "Very big Plus"...who the plus to?..nintendo, but thats about it. The consumer just looses out by paying MORE for a game thats supposed to be piracy resistant. GREAT IDEA to have a mini disk hey!!! Nintendo ripping you off and you cant even see it, ...truly PATHETIC.
This just doesn\'t make any sense. The GCN disks can still hold roughly the same amount of data as the PS2 DVDs and yet you think it should be cheaper? I don\'t see the logic at all. Do you even know what that word, logic, means? You are a strange little man, and you have my pity. Farewell.
PS2 has the quality of a $250 dollar DVD player.
HAHAHAHAHA. I am so SICK of how stupid movinginstereo, coke, and clowd show themselves to be. It\'s just baffling that these people made it past birth.
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Well from the specs I read x box i suppose to have 300 million polygons and ps2 only 60 million. Does this give it way better graphics? no. you say its not worth buying a ps2 because its outdated, well ok i wont buy it and miss out all its exclusive triple a games.
So you think the PS2 has the quality of a 50$ DVD player? you say a 70 dollar one hs better quality
If coke is like me then he just doesnt buy all the consoles. So many member have posted on this board that after buying a x box and completing halo the x box is in the corner collecting dust. that is why people who value money buy the best of each division and only the best. = PS2
If I were to get a GC what would I play with it? Mariio fighting? No that is boring to me. When does mario sunchine and zelda come out? about another year. Well by then GC may be 100 so Ill wait till then. There just no reason to get it now. Poor GC didnt add a DVD player to try and get an advantage over x box and ps2 and please the price range of its (mostly) 9 year old audience
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No one is asking anyone to buy a GC. It\'s just stupid people are not because it doesn\'t double as a DVD player. It\'s as simple as that.
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Originally posted by Ryu
Pposting system specs isn\'t a valid arguement at all. If you really think it is, then I dare you to compare the PS2 to any of the other two next gen consoles and from your perspective, the PS2 just isn\'t worth the cash because it\'s really dated in comparison. Don\'t post your stupid specs ever again because me, along with anyone else who has been on this board for a year will tell you that specs are about the stupidest way to argue because they prove nothing. You\'re just an idiot, plain and simple. Go back to your tight wad lifestyle and get the hell off the boards. We already have enough stupid members to fill the void and right now, the boats full.
HAHAHAHAHA. I am so SICK of how stupid movinginstereo, coke, and clowd show themselves to be. It\'s just baffling that these people made it past birth.
where is youre debate i see no true statements and yes system specs do mean alot you dont have a leg to stand on so just hobble off freind
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I\'ve seen the ps2 dvd player in comparison to the one in my living room and the difference is like night and day. I have personal experience, why do I need a link to prove that? As I said, i own 4 DVD players and I KNOW which one is the best and that goes straight to the stand alone DVD player without question.
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Heh, it\'s so frustrating to see people ignoring my good points. I\'ll try one more time, real simple, and then I\'ll back out.
"Gamecube has good games so it\'s good."
No nonsense about cost, about DVDs, about Nintendo, about cars, about air-conditioning, nothing.
"Gamecube has good games so it\'s good."
Thank you and have a nice day. ;]
-Eik
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actually, the picture quality of the PS2 is said to be quite good - and better than the average DVD-standalone player outthere. I really doubt that a $65 dollar "no-name" dvd-player can match the quality of any Sony dvd-player (including PS2). Ironic thing is though, most people on this very board probably have a crap TV and wouldn\'t be able to tell a difference between a dvd movie played on an Xbox, a PS2 or a standalone dvd player priced with 3 zeros. That\'s the hard truth, yet there are so many that **** around about "better quality" eventhough they wouldn\'t be able to really tell a difference. :rolleyes:
I\'ll give you one thing and that\'s user friendliness. Now that\'s where the PS2 seriously lacks and it obviously needs to sell that remote control for it to be more convinient for people to use. And that goes for any console at the moment and is also directed to all those DVD-ROM players out there. But who cares? A console\'s primary purpose is for games (well still is) and a PC\'s for worksheets etc.
Nintendo is obviously sticking with the traditional games-only route, which is not bad - however I feel that the market is slowly changing and Nintendo will have to adopt sooner or later (if they make into a next generation that is). It is no suprise that Sony and Microsoft are both trying to take the lead in the livingroom - that\'s why we have a PS2/Xbox with DVD-video playback in the first place.
Oh and Clowd. I see where you\'re coming from, but you\'re a bit hard on Nintendo. I mean, I might not be getting one either for the very same reasons as you do, but I at least respect them for what they do. Including a DVD-player would have been a bad idea for Nintendo since they
1. Don\'t have the necessary experience/resources
2. are partners with Matsushita who obviously have a great influence
3. did want to be able to compete against Sony (low selling price)
4. would have payed more (DVD license)
5. loose out on pirate copies
Nintendo did what they had to do. If they wouldn\'t have, I dare to think where they would be now. So as you see, Nintendo didn\'t choose to be cheap this generation, but smart. I do wonder however how they\'ll go around next generation... IF they don\'t go 3rd party.
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I\'m going to follow up on Eiksirf\'s post here, actually.. it\'s more of an enhancement to his quote.
"The GameCube has good exclusive games so it\'s good"
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GameCube has good games?
But does it still play DVDs? No? Then it still sucks and tries to WASH YOUR BRAIN IF YOU\'RE NOT CAREFUL! WATCH OUT, BEHIND YOU! ****ING \'CUBE! \'TIS MADNESS I TELL YOU! *wrestles with a pink cube holding a toilet brush and a soap*
*shakes head*
Good grief.. I gotta stop looking at this chit...
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Originally posted by Blade
"The GameCube has good exclusive games so it\'s good"
I agree, but Im waiting for Mario Sunshine and Zelda. When do they come out?
Does Nintendo have any good exclusive games right now?
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Good, and great. Yeah.
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now you are giving us a lecture on dvds lets face it psx and xbox are gaming systems and the cube is a gaming console. so why are you trying to bring in another device to try to make youre argument about the gaming systems look bad. when in reality we are talking about gaming systems and gaming consoles. not a panasonic dvd player or a sony dvd player or any other off brand dvd players .when infact those devices dont play games we are debating about gaming system and gaming consoles . period so tell us something good about the game cube and youre why its so much cheaper system and why are the games so much better in comparison to the ones that are out there for the game cube.now here is a comparison..i have a pc my freind has a Mac i cant use most of his software and he cant use mine but we both run the same os or windows Me. k 1st point they both play games too but not all the same titles too my point is they are computer sysems they play dvd\'s,surf the internet,run software, and play games.. but this argument about game cube brain washing. specs has takin a downfall if you want to know the truth,ask yourself this. gaming system or gaming console wich one do i like ? and why. am i buying this for a name brand or for its purpose. to each his on..and a penny saved is a penny earned.Confucius say[ less mouth movement and more listening will make for more learning about what people are telling you] but when you assume something, benny hill said it you make an ass out of you and me so you.have based youre whole debate on pointless and no specs but on youre speculation.you delete and change things to suite youre way fine you are not very good debater or do you spell good either ill give you credit on youre bashing and name calling i dont blame you i blame youre back ground or the way some one brought you up as a child. :crying:
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damn, I hate it when kids act as if their adults... :(
when in reality we are talking about gaming systems and gaming consoles. not a panasonic dvd player or a sony dvd player or any other off brand dvd players. when infact those devices dont play games we are debating about gaming system and gaming consoles .
Great, we agree. So why bring up the DVD-playback function up in the first place? And it\'s entertainment system versus game-console.
period so tell us something good about the game cube
The games and the price. If you don\'t like \'em, don\'t buy it. It\'s that simple really. End of conversation. Oh and get a damn life.
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Wow.. six pages. I\'m surprised this idocy has lasted this long. It\'s really a simple equasion..
If you like Nintnedo\'s games.. buy a GameCube. If you don\'t.. then move on. Adding DVD movie playback to the NGC isn\'t going to make Mario or Zelda anymore fun. Nor is buying a PS2 or Xbox for it\'s Sub-Par DVD player going to make you yern for a Mario or Zelda title any less (If you\'re a fan of those games). I just don\'t understand it.. the PSX didn\'t have DVD playback.. did that make it anyless fun? The SNES and Genesis didn\'t have it either. Does that mean they weren\'t worth their $300 price tag?
Clowd, movingstereo, coke, and other intillectual midgets.. I think you have to understand something about the members here at these boards. We\'re gamers. In simple terms.. that means we like games. We buy our videogame systems because of the games. Most of us don\'t limit ourselves to one console. See, this is where I think you\'re brains are loosing comprehension. You\'re still stuck in that 10 year old - 16bit "One console and One console only" mentality. You pick a brand name to support, for whatever reasons, like a redneck picks a football team. And jus like that redneck, you can do nothing else but bash the competition to make yourself feel better about your own purchase.. and IMO.. boost your self esteem. Trying to be on the "winning" side as it were.
You just don\'t understand that most of us here are multiconsole gamers. There are, on the whole, more fans of specific game companies than of console makers here. Why? Well like everyone\'s been trying to beat into your heads for past 6 pages.. it\'s all about the games.
If you have a problem with Nintnedo as a company or the calibur of games which are most proliferant on their system.. then that\'s fine. Complain about their 3rd party licencing structure, complain about their target audience, complain about the controller\'s shape.. but for christ\'s sake.. at least complain about something relevant to GAMING.
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SonyFan: Yay!
One thing though.. back in th\' 16-bit days, there were plenty of multi-console gamers. I had a few systems, my cousin had all 4 big ones (NES, SNES, Genesis, TG16) and my best friend had an abundance of stuff.
My other cousin was a God damned rich hardcore gamer (his parents were worth millions) and he had just about everything under the sun too. First kid on the block to get a Genesis when it came out, and the PSX too.
So "we\'ve" been around for a while! ;)
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Originally posted by SonyFan
Wow.. six pages. I\'m surprised this idocy has lasted this long. It\'s really a simple equasion..
If you like Nintnedo\'s games.. buy a GameCube. If you don\'t.. then move on. Adding DVD movie playback to the NGC isn\'t going to make Mario or Zelda anymore fun. Nor is buying a PS2 or Xbox for it\'s Sub-Par DVD player going to make you yern for a Mario or Zelda title any less (If you\'re a fan of those games). I just don\'t understand it.. the PSX didn\'t have DVD playback.. did that make it anyless fun? The SNES and Genesis didn\'t have it either. Does that mean they weren\'t worth their $300 price tag?
Clowd, movingstereo, coke, and other intillectual midgets.. I think you have to understand something about the members here at these boards. We\'re gamers. In simple terms.. that means we like games. We buy our videogame systems because of the games. Most of us don\'t limit ourselves to one console. See, this is where I think you\'re brains are loosing comprehension. You\'re still stuck in that 10 year old - 16bit "One console and One console only" mentality. You pick a brand name to support, for whatever reasons, like a redneck picks a football team. And jus like that redneck, you can do nothing else but bash the competition to make yourself feel better about your own purchase.. and IMO.. boost your self esteem. Trying to be on the "winning" side as it were.
You just don\'t understand that most of us here are multiconsole gamers. There are, on the whole, more fans of specific game companies than of console makers here. Why? Well like everyone\'s been trying to beat into your heads for past 6 pages.. it\'s all about the games.
If you have a problem with Nintnedo as a company or the calibur of games which are most proliferant on their system.. then that\'s fine. Complain about their 3rd party licencing structure, complain about their target audience, complain about the controller\'s shape.. but for christ\'s sake.. at least complain about something relevant to GAMING.
It\'s called evolving. Consoles aren\'t going to be JUST for gaming anymore. They will become multi faceted tools, to play movies, CD\'s, and even chat and play games online. I like Nintendo I have owned an NES and a SNES console and will probaly get a GC but does that mean I don\'t acknowledge their faults? Hell no but I will not take it as far as clowd or coke and say that Nintendo sucks for not including these features. I just think both sides have taken this way to far, one side screaming that anything that doesn\'t involve actual GAMING doesn\'t matter in the game console world and the other saying a company is total shit for not including some new features that will become standard. Both are right and both are wrong, games should be what matters most when buying game consoles, but having extra features is not "bad" especially when it includes something like DVD playback. Not all of us are financially secure enough to buy 2 games systems, games for both sytems, a stand alone DVD player and movies for it.
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I never said it was bad to have extras. I\'m simply stating that these are gaming consoles.. not DVD players.. not PC\'s.. not Tivo\'s... they play games. That\'s what they\'re designed to do.. that\'s what they\'re sold to do... that\'s what they\'re bought to do. I don\'t mind that the PS2 and Xbox have DVD players. I don\'t mind that the Dreamcast has a WebBrowser. I don\'t mind that the Xbox has a Harddrive for ripping Mp3\'s (At this point anyhow).
And please.. not financially stable enough to own more than one console? I\'m sorry, but I don\'t buy that. These things aren\'t made of pure gold. They\'re not major purchases like Stereo equiptment, PC\'s, or HDTV\'s. That dosen\'t mean I expect people to go out and buy the best of the best when it\'s released.. because yes.. that does get expencive. But come on.. a console\'s lifespan is about 5 years. Tell me who other than ppl stuck on welfare who can\'t afford roughly $600 - $700 to feed their habit over five years. (That\'s the price of two consoles plus peripherals, plus a good catalog of games)
The people who don\'t do that.. are the people who don\'t consider gaming a major hobby of theirs. They simply have better things to spend their money on. That\'s fine.. but if you\'re one of those people then don\'t come in here with only half-knowladge and half-experience and expect to be taken seriously when you\'re entire point is arguing a moot feature... at best.
Oh.. well I guess I forgot little kids. They usually don\'t have high paying jobs with with to buy consoles with. But guess what.. they ain\'t got not bills either. No rent, no grocerys, no insurance, no cable, no utilities.. so any money they do get from menial part-time jobs and their paper routes is basically totally theirs and usually tax free ta-boot.
As far as evolving: An ethernet card.. is evolving. Built in 56k.. is evolving. A Harddrive.. is evolving. Voice recognicion and communication... is evolving. And yes.. DVD reading (as a medium for software) .. is evolving. Evolving as it pertains to here means changing and upgrading the hardware/software to assimilate new technology and new ideas into the gameplay experience. What you\'re talking about is fundamentally changing the core purpose of what the machine is for. You\'re turning it away from games into something new. But the thing is.. we already have what you\'re advocating turning the console into. It\'s called a PC.
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Tell me this then...how happy would you be if you bough a car that cost\'s almost the same as other cars and it didnt have A/C, cruise control, 2 air bags, ABS...etc etc... NOW if you paid the virtually the same price as another car that DOES have these features...well i think almost every perosn would think you an idi0t fo making such a purchase.. Same concept here buddie!
WAKE UP FANBOY!!
That was a stupid comparison Coke.....a car without that stuff isnt a car is a matress on wheels.....all this stuff you complain about goes for the PSX also. Stop being stupid and WAKE UP! Gamecube is for gaming not for DVDs and not for music. It has very good games im sorry yopu dont see that. But im glad most other people do. Think about the gaming buisiness without nintendo. Ill wait for a response.
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Does Nintendo have any good exclusive games right now?
Pikimin
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a car without that stuff isnt a car is a matress on wheels
I bet you\'d be sleeping on bit of steel if that what you think a car is ...sheeeeesh! Im trying to have a logical discussion here and this is the mantality i have to deal with, no wonder you own a nintendo!
Clowd, movingstereo, coke, and other intillectuals ...
Thankyou for the complements. But as you guys are starting to see, this is a growing movement...people are begining to realise that nintendo is OLD...it\'s falling behind. While ps2 and x-box are evolving, what\'s nintendo doing?.... i\'ll tell you, they are part of making the most boaring games on earth on a CONSOLE thats going backwards in the evolution process.
90% of the nintendo fans are kids under the age of 10, come on guys its time to grow up!
Wheres the fighting games???? Anyone?????
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You mean like Super Smash Bros: Melee (released), Soul Caliber 2, Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance, Bloody Roar: Primal Fury (released), Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee, Capcom vs SNK 2: EO, Cubix: Robots for Everyone, RAVE Groove Adventure: Fighting Live, UFC: Throwdown, Rocky, X-Men: Next Dimension, and Tekken Tag Tournament? Or did you mean something else?
BTW for the guy who wondered what good games there are now, there are many. For exclusives alone, look at Super Monkey Ball, Wave Race: Blue Storm, Eternal Darkness: Sanity\'s Requiem, Pikmin, Super Smash Bros: Melee, Star Wars: Rogue Leader, and to stretch the term exclusive, look at Resident Evil 1. The wrestling fan in you might be interested in Wrestlemania X8, too, but I find it subpar compared to past, stellar Nintendo wrestlers. Smackdown fans would probably enjoy it, though.
For the person wanting release dates, Mario Sunshine = August and Zelda = February (Star Fox Adventures, Mario Party 4, Metroid Prime, and Super Monkey Ball 2 are all coming in between, btw).
-Eik