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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Samwise on July 15, 2002, 01:43:26 AM
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Shockwaves is the new spam king. :eek: :D
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.world-free.com%2Fsamwise%2Fpics%2Fshockspam%21%21%21.gif&hash=fceb0cd893c16e567698afc4b0b561f71c9dd026)
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damn 50 posts
/me sez "MMM....Spam" again.
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How do we know that these images haven\'t been "doctored"?
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Originally posted by Jaye_Bennington
How do we know that these images haven\'t been "doctored"?
Because:
1) I made them
2) You can take a look at the page yourself (95% of the posts still have him as last poster)
3) I made them
4) You can look for yourself in the first \'Can you say "mmm,
spam"\' thread - he talks about it
5) I made them
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Originally posted by Samwise
Because:
1) I made them
3) I made them
5) I made them
Oh yeah, I forgot.:D
Oh yeah, I forgot.:D
Oh yeah, I forgot.:D
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I\'m actually going to try to do that right now, being that I never replied in threads that have been created the past 1 and a half weeks. ;)
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But if someone else replies to a topic you just posted in, won\'t you have to start again?
*Jaye hatches a cunning plan *
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Damn.:eek:
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Who in the ****ing hell needs to reply to every ****ing thread??? This is the spamming kingdom which has been created over the past 6 - 8 months here in off-topic.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Who in the ****ing hell needs to reply to every ****ing thread??? This is the spamming kingdom which has been created over the past 6 - 8 months here in off-topic.
Isn\'t someone talking to you over at console debating?
Actually you are right though.
And Jaye, did you think before you asked that question? If someone replies in the middle of your streak, just reply to that thread and it\'s then yours again.
Streaks are easy if you post in an off hour. I didn\'t read any of Shock\'s replies, but it\'s not that big of a deal if no one else is on. I didn\'t look to see the time though.
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I\'m just wondering is really cool to spam that much or is it just a phase that people go through?:confused:
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boink
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Originally posted by politiepet
boink
You spammer.:D
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It\'s a phase hopefully. I don\'t mind it if people are actually posting content. It\'s when you just get people saying boink that it\'s a problem.
I wonder if Samwise is feeding the beast by glamourizing such achievments.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
I wonder if Samwise is feeding the beast by glamourizing such achievments.
Actually I don\'t glamourize it - at least don\'t intend to. In fact my threads should be an example of what NOT to do. But I don\'t control what people do.
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I\'m sorry if my post seemed like spam, that was not the intention I was trying to express my amazement over the amount of posts shockwaves was able to make
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The problem is that most people arent happy with just reading the thread.. they have to add their input, despite the fact that they might not actually have any input (or their input has been previously stated). Most likely this is just a way to let others know that they have actually seen the thread, more so than to actually try and add too the thread.
But I was a culprit when i first signed up, and lately have been a bit of a culprit as well.. meh well, gotta stay in front of Samwise..
:)
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
The problem is that most people arent happy with just reading the thread.. they have to add their input, despite the fact that they might not actually have any input (or their input has been previously stated). Most likely this is just a way to let others know that they have actually seen the thread, more so than to actually try and add too the thread.
But I was a culprit when i first signed up, and lately have been a bit of a culprit as well.. meh well, gotta stay in front of Samwise..
:)
WHAT YOU SAY!
I\'ll have to conquer the other forums with my girlish charm in order to overthrow you! :nerd:
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See what I mean..?
;)
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
The problem is that most people arent happy with just reading the thread.. they have to add their input, despite the fact that they might not actually have any input (or their input has been previously stated). Most likely this is just a way to let others know that they have actually seen the thread, more so than to actually try and add too the thread.
But I was a culprit when i first signed up, and lately have been a bit of a culprit as well.. meh well, gotta stay in front of Samwise..
:)
are you telling my I\'m such a spammer?
I\'m not so arogant to say I never spam, but I certainly can say I don\'t spam all that much. just look at my post/days ratio, if I wanted to have a lot of posts I would be so much further right now,
right?
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
See what I mean..?
;)
I agree.
;)
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Originally posted by politiepet
are you telling my I\'m such a spammer?
I\'m not so arogant to say I never spam, but I certainly can say I don\'t spam all that much. just look at my post/days ratio, if I wanted to have a lot of posts I would be so much further right now,
right?
Horogonobobo??
I wansn\'t referring to you..
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Horogonobobo??
I wansn\'t referring to you..
I agree.
And there goes the sarcastic-plane.
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I don\'t care about Shockwaves spamming, their posts are cool, and IMO very interesting ones.
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spam, who needs it.. but off-topic is spam central. so Spam on.. :)
I don\'t care about spam in offtopic anymore. As long as it doesn\'t OOZE into the other forums. :)
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Hehe, that was just a one night thing. I got to remembering people at the cc who did that, and I wanted to try it for myself. Besides, I was that close to 1500 posts, and figured that could help. I\'ll return to my normal posting ways now :)
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Yes, you were 100 posts away. Very close indeed.
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not 100!
...just 75 :)
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I got the posts all into one pic:
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fshockwaves.hypermart.net%2Fposts.jpg&hash=e88e03f233e4d1166ecea0a8a21b52ad898ba62e)
:)
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OT is an absolute joke now. I miss the old members. :(
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I just made a decision... im gonna start randomly deletin\' spam posts whenever i feel like.
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Ya\' know its a sad day indeed when Luke, a Spamintator has turned against the spam that is taking place in OT.
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yes indeedy buddy.
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The irony, the worst spammers aren\'t even on the spaminators.
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I feel somehow responsible for all this :(
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Originally posted by shockwaves
I feel somehow responsible for all this :(
It isn\'t just you. Off-Topic has been gradually reaching a sad point. See, the thing is SPAM is fun to a degree,, it allows for pointless conversations and sometimes downright funny threads. It lets people cut loose. The problem is, we now have people posting threads like "blah blah blah" with no intenion \'cept TO SPAM. This isn\'t the kind of SPAM that has been tolerated this long, its a whole other breed of it. No offense to Luckee, but I am goin\' to use one of his threads an example. The thread where he posted a link in the topic starter and it was just a link to that thread. Now was there need for that? No. And yes, even your idea about posting 75 times in one night could be classified under "questionable".
There is a difference in cutting loose and just acting goofy for no reason. I think everyone has confused those two though.
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God damn he needs a life, or a woman ;)
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damn, my reign was that short?
what a shame :(
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I don\'t think anyone will beat that.
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I\'m pretty close to just leaving the boards.
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As long as you don\'t make a thread about it....
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Almost makes me wish I hadn\'t done it. It was just a one night thing though. Normally, even on off hours, I never find myself having the last reply in more than a couple threads in a row. I knew that what I was doing would be spam, in part, but it was just fun to do as well.
I guess I look at spam a little bit differently from a lot of people here. I see a lot of threads closed, simply because they are nothing but spam. I really don\'t see much of a point to that. If the goal is to eliminate spam entirely, maybe it would make sense, but I don\'t really see how a goal like that could be achieved. I think they should be left open, and people should "spam" however much they want, within that topic. That might help to keep it from overflowing into other topics. Spam threads can be fun, as LIC said, and if there aren\'t too many of them, I don\'t see the problem.
What is it that makes you want to leave Bozco? Is it that you think that there are no interesting topics, or that the ones that are here are too bogged down with spam that they lose their original purpose? I don\'t quite understand what the problem.
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yes... let me say it now.
KNOCK IT OFF
its been just stupid the past couple days
ive never had to close a thread because of something other than piracy or ads but i can start.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
What is it that makes you want to leave Bozco? Is it that you think that there are no interesting topics, or that the ones that are here are too bogged down with spam that they lose their original purpose? I don\'t quite understand what the problem.
BOTH
If you could believe this their were actually good debates here at one time. Now 99% of the post are completely worthless.
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*sigh* I\'ve heard this before.
If you want a good debate, why not start one?
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Originally posted by Titan
God damn he needs a life, or a woman ;)
After tonight we can now say the same thing about you
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Originally posted by Titan
God damn he needs a life, or a woman ;)
I have both. They were just both missing last night between the hours of 2:30 and 4:30 AM :(
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Originally posted by shockwaves
*sigh* I\'ve heard this before.
If you want a good debate, why not start one?
Is it that hard to understand, good threads just turn to shit.
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Do you have any examples of that?
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Originally posted by Kimahri
After tonight we can now say the same thing about you
I need both :( Either that or a new hobby. Maybe I should start up rocketry again. That will keep me from spamming. Or modeling. I could do that again. (not modeling as in posing, modeling as in model planes and stuff like that)
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Do you have any examples of that?
I\'m not going to waste time to prove why this board sucks. It just does, mostly because of spammers that will remain nameless.
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Geez. Calm down man. I\'m sure the boards will get better. Some things that aren\'t spam may look like spam to you but they really aren\'t. They may seem worthless but they aren\'t. Although, most of my crap from tonight was spam. But that is a one night thing. I usually don\'t do something like that very often.
When there aren\'t a lot of people on the boards it gives the illusion that a person is spamming. When I was on my streak, there were no more than 5 people in OT at a time and no one was replying. I usually post that amount on any given day usually. Don\'t let my post average of 7 fool you. I didn\'t post more than 5 a day or even 5 a week during my lacrosse season (March-May)I post between 20-30 posts per day.
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Well all I have to say is, only post if you have something important to say.
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Then there will be no posts here.
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Then there will be no posts here.
Exactly. You just proved our point. Because everyone just posts useless bullshit
Believe it or not Titan (and everyone else) there was a time when there were INTELLIGENT DISCUSSIONS taking place in Off-Topic. The humor was genuine and witty. The boards will not get better. Ever. Even Videoholic, the man who is actually respsonsible (at least in my opinion) for the boards turning into this crap, is now against what is going on.
Read what i wrote on page 1. People are not content to just read a thread, perhaps laugh and move on. They, for some reason, feel compelled to post the exact same thing that has been said 20 times before them. Or post multiple times stating the same thing. Heck, even the topics are stupid. Posting every useless article you find on the net, and every useless picture is not what Off-Topic used to be. This place thrived well before people posted that stuff, purely because there were logical, reasonable discussions. Members (on a whole) genuinly didnt care for how many posts they had.
Bozco, it has gotten to the same point with me. Console Discussion will still be a home here for you if you need it. It is the one area where we will NOT be tolerating the kind of shit that goes on everywhere else. Feel free to contribute as freely as you want. As soon it will be getting over its teething problems and will have plenty of lively discussion revolving around gaming in general.
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I ask this then. Is there a way to fix what has gone wrong here? Perhaps a split like what happened with the Console topics. There could be a section where things like pictures and topics that will lead to spam are posted, and another where spam isn\'t tolerated, and where topics are meant to be genuine discussions. It seemed to work for the console topics, why not try it again?
Or perhaps just crack down a spam a bit more. Let people know that they shouldn\'t spam that way, and do something to get the message across. Perhaps give some sort of embarassing avatar to spammers until they change their ways or something. Hell, I would have gotten one last night, but it\'s an idea.
If you really think this is a genuine topic, don\'t just run from it. Try to fix it.
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Hrmph.
That idea shock said could work. People\'s post counts would sky-rocket, but it would seperate things, and all these spam arguments probably wouldn\'t happen.
And something that\'s odd. When I get going at N64CC the old members said the board was going to shit. I get going here, same thing happens.
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I think the "quick-reply" box only makes matters worse... although I like it alot.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
I ask this then. Is there a way to fix what has gone wrong here? Perhaps a split like what happened with the Console topics. There could be a section where things like pictures and topics that will lead to spam are posted, and another where spam isn\'t tolerated, and where topics are meant to be genuine discussions. It seemed to work for the console topics, why not try it again?
Or perhaps just crack down a spam a bit more. Let people know that they shouldn\'t spam that way, and do something to get the message across. Perhaps give some sort of embarassing avatar to spammers until they change their ways or something. Hell, I would have gotten one last night, but it\'s an idea.
If you really think this is a genuine topic, don\'t just run from it. Try to fix it.
It wouldnt work. The mods are no longer trying to stop it. As long as you are having fun, thats all that matters, right? Off-Topic is beyond repair, and most of the funniest, smartest, and most interesting members already dont bother posting here/cant stand reading the topics here because of the fact that it is one big testosterone induced penis comparing session.
Look at what happens when mods do try to crack down. SoulGrind came back after a long brerak, closed some threads.. and was FLAMED. ooseven closes a few threads and is FLAMED. Do you know how much mass moderation would be needed to completely change the boards back to their glory days? Even if all the useless threads/posts were deleted there would be such outrage that the boards would be empty, and take months before any sort of discussion started up again.
Besides, we don\'t want members to stop posting altogether. Everyone is having fun and as long as the spam is confined to Off-Topic (although it does spill over) there shouldnt be a problem. Except for the fact that, while OT is gaining lots of members everyweek, it is losing some of the best members.
Trying to fix a topic will not help at all either, when after you post you get another 20 people ignoring it and posting "hehe, gee golly that was a funny pic.. I wish my penis was as long and wide as that"
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Why would splitting it not work then? In one section, people would expect spam to be deleted, and spam topics to be moved or closed, so they wouldn\'t be as mad, and wouldn\'t spam so much there. I think that could work, if given a chance.
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I\'m not a fan of splitting the forum. Mods just need to not care, and delete what needs to be deleted. Thats why I think its crazy to vote Soulgrind as most hated mod/worst because he\'s actually the best.
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The fact that there are too many forums, and not enough people that actually care about saving Off-Topic. When Console Debating was split, there was a group of dedicated people who truely believed the boards (or at least that section) could be saved and resurrected to what it once was. There is no such thing in Off-Topic. And frankly, theres no point.
Just continue what you are doing. Every now and again the old members will have an outburst such as this. But other than that you are free to spam unfettered. :)
However I would wonder just what would happen to Off-Topic if (like after the Spaminators incident) no posts actually counted towards your post count :eyemouth:
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Why does everyone say that the mods have to be more stringent? they have to close more threads, they have to do this they have to that. it\'s rediculous. OT can be saved, but it will not be done by the mods, it will be done by the members that truely love these boards.
Let\'s face it most people spam in order to pad their post counts. why would you want to pad your post count? well among other things, you recieve more recognition and respect the higher your post count (in theory), but if we take it into our own hands and degrade those members who post useless garbage, and punish them with a social chastisement, it could curb the spamming a bit. And after the member has been repromanded, leave it at that and stop posting in their thread. If you see that someone ahead of you has already done so, don\'t post, just let the thread die. Or if someone spams in a quality thread, inform them of their stupidity, and ignore them.
Also, we have to censor ourselves. Instead of just hitting the quick response button as fast as possible, why not read your post over, check and make sure that it actually adds to the discusion and doesn\'t just add to your post count.
However OT may be too far gone, and people no longer care. I might just be rambling on, and my ramblings are falling upon deaf ears, who are content in their current situation. However, if you do truely care about OT, and want to save it from drowning in a pool of it\'s own ignorance, I emplore all of you to do all that you can to stop the incecent spamming.
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Now, I say you should put your cop avatar back on.
I wasn\'t here to see how the boards used to be, so I can\'t say if it sucks or not. But I still think posting to get your post count higher is pretty dumb. So, I suppose, we shall listen to theomen.
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theomen.. it\'ll never happen :) at least not in the foreseeable future
:)
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i know it\'s unlikely to happen, but much like the enviromental problem, people say to themselves "I can\'t make a difference", and continue on their normal ways. But I have a bit of hope that these members will hopefully try to make a difference.
And even if they won\'t stop all their spamming ways, maybe with the resurgence of a few quality posters the spammers will check themselves from time to time.
Personally I\'m really thinking about staying away from these forums for awhile, and see if they take a change for the better. At the very least I\'m going to limit my posts to a minimum. Maybe just comeback every once in awhile to yell at spammers.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
It wouldnt work. The mods are no longer trying to stop it. As long as you are having fun, thats all that matters, right? Off-Topic is beyond repair, and most of the funniest, smartest, and most interesting members already dont bother posting here/cant stand reading the topics here because of the fact that it is one big testosterone induced penis comparing session.
Who are these most interesting members who don\'t post in OT? And if they can\'t stand reading the topics, then make up ones that you would like to read.
And about the penis comparisons.. Dude, if you aren\'t the pot calling the kettle black then I don\'t know freaking what else is. 9 out of 10 posts you are talking about sticking it to Samwise or Racer. Practice what you preach or don\'t bitch about it.
Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Look at what happens when mods do try to crack down. SoulGrind came back after a long brerak, closed some threads.. and was FLAMED. ooseven closes a few threads and is FLAMED. Do you know how much mass moderation would be needed to completely change the boards back to their glory days? Even if all the useless threads/posts were deleted there would be such outrage that the boards would be empty, and take months before any sort of discussion started up again.
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I agree for the most part. Although Soulgrind closed a thread of me asking advice about getting a roof. If that wasn\'t ridiculous then well maybe what is more ridiculous is two days later him posting a thread about what hard drive to buy.
I am all for deleteing useless threads, but what may be useless to you may not be useless to someone else.
Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Besides, we don\'t want members to stop posting altogether. Everyone is having fun and as long as the spam is confined to Off-Topic (although it does spill over) there shouldnt be a problem. Except for the fact that, while OT is gaining lots of members everyweek, it is losing some of the best members.
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Who are these best members that are gone?
Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Trying to fix a topic will not help at all either, when after you post you get another 20 people ignoring it and posting "hehe, gee golly that was a funny pic.. I wish my penis was as long and wide as that" [/B]
Again uncle pot. You sure are black...
I totally agree that a lot of this crap is truly annoying, but I don\'t think really any of the moderators can come down on spammers because they do it themselves as well.
Just PM people when they go nuts and they will settle down. If not then bobbie you can just take them into the back room and beat them with your extremely large, unused penis.
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Dude, if you aren\'t the pot calling the kettle black then I don\'t know freaking what else is.
I didn\'t mean literally you big nutbag. The general attitude of the board reflects that of a highschool. Your\'e smart Vid, I\'m sure you don\'t need me to be pointing this out for you.
Who are these best members that are gone?
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Sorry.. don\'t want to mention any names.
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But hey, if you want the spamming and crap to continue, then thats fine. I wont be stopping it :)
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Originally posted by Videoholic
but I don\'t think really any of the moderators can come down on spammers because they do it themselves as well.
Trust me, if the \'top administration\' was set on a no spam policy in OT, they would get it. But they\'re not so people can spam away to their hearts desire. With the loss of quality that natually occurs. Oh and,
I agree!
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Originally posted by \\/apor Snake
I think the "quick-reply" box only makes matters worse... although I like it alot.
How does it make matters worse? Quick reply or no "QR"..people are still going to spam if they want to.
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Ive also just thought about a simple solution to spamming. MOst spammers only care about post count..why not just remove some posts form their count..or even give them negative numbers :) We do that at other message boards I frequent..
Just a thought
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The motivation behind spamming on this board is not rocket science. Like theomen was saying, we\'re practically encouraged to spam.
Originally posted by mm
500 posts gets a member an avatar
1000 posts gets a member a custom user title
1500 posts allows member to color user title
2000 posts allows member to color name
YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO ANY OF THESE UNTILL YOU MEET THE POSY COUNT REQUIREMENT!
thanks
I\'m not flaming any mods or admins, just pointing out the reward system for spam. It\'s like giving your puppy a treat every time it shits on the carpet, then wondering why the hell the dog isn\'t potty trained.
Freezing post counts probably isn\'t a good idea, judging from the uproar of several months ago. If post counts really aren\'t important, stop issuing incentives, and deny members access to the top-posters page.
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Originally posted by Sara
I\'m not flaming any mods or admins, just pointing out the reward system for spam.
Partly true. But there was a time when you could only get a picture if you got 500 AND did not spam.
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I have said this numerous times. Rewards should be based on time and or acknowledgement from Mods that you are an important part of the forum. Not freaking posts.
There are people out there who are posting good stuff, but just don\'t post often. They should be able to get a picture based on quality of posts.
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I had no reason to spam, I\'m already over 2000.
I didn\'t spam to piss people off. I was just bored.
And it just so happened everyone else was on vacation or something that very day at that very moment.
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Yah, but you spam all the time Billy..
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You are rather guilty of that too bob
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as are you :)
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HAH..I spam very, VERY rarely. Even when i do..I can safely say I NEVER spam excessively.
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Yah.. but your posts are stupid.
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The majority begs to differ. I could say the same about what you post, that doesnt make is necessarily true does it?
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spam.. who needs it..
"souly spammed, teehehehe"
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Originally posted by Jaye_Bennington
How do we know that these images haven\'t been "doctored"?
i watched him do it!!!
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Originally posted by luckee
The majority begs to differ. I could say the same about what you post, that doesnt make is necessarily true does it?
You\'d be surprised. You consider what i post spam, i consider what you post spam. Either way neither of us fit the technical definition.. so neither of us spam
BTW, im just messing with you :D
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You may not pull a kopking but Luckee you do post a hell of a lot, mostly useless shit at that.
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Originally posted by Bozco
You may not pull a kopking but Luckee you do post a hell of a lot, mostly useless shit at that.
Like I said..the majority seems to differ. ANywho..I know you aren\'t saying anything with all of the useless shit you post..come on..
You\'ve had a hard-on for me ever since I found my way into OT shortly after becoming a member only b/c I called yer boyfriends fags... (remember the bone thugs thing?)
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I dont have any serious problems with you, you just "rub me the wrong way" sometimes. REMEMBER THAT IS JUST A SAYING. ;)
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I have to agree with Bozco luckee. He does have a point. You post jokes sometimes that are really stupid and then again, you post jokes that are funny. But everyday you post about 3 threads on news that no one cares about. Take my "Drugs found in Colombia" thread. No one cared that drugs were found on the Colombia before it blasted into space.
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Originally posted by Titan
I have to agree with Bozco luckee. He does have a point. You post jokes sometimes that are really stupid and then again, you post jokes that are funny. But everyday you post about 3 threads on news that no one cares about. Take my "Drugs found in Colombia" thread. No one cared that drugs were found on the Colombia before it blasted into space.
Actually..if you are going to state something..at least be accurate. I post multiple topics in a row every few days. Maybe 1 on those odd days. Get it right please. A joke being stupid or not is mearly opinion..If I post a joke..I found it funny and wanted to share. Frankly, I dont really care who else found it funny.
Funny thing is..3 ppl have stated what I post is stupid. yet the replies to what I post seem to say different.
I do however have a simple solution though, dont like them..dont bother clicking on them. easy huh?
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I never said you posts are stupid. I said that some of them tend to be stupid for certain reasons.
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"I do however have a simple solution though, dont like them..dont bother clicking on them. easy huh?"
I don\'t, and this shows your not for the boards getting better. Your just contributing to the problem.
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Originally posted by Bozco
"I do however have a simple solution though, dont like them..dont bother clicking on them. easy huh?"
I don\'t, and this shows your not for the boards getting better. Your just contributing to the problem.
How is that the case? I try to entertain others with what I have found entertaining. As alot of others do. Its all relative. Not everyone will like everything...it is impossible.
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Amazing. I never expected Off-Topic to have such an uproar.
Okay, then..
- I do agree that the "quick reply" box does seem to effect spamming to a small degree. Yes, people would of spammed before but now it is just a faster way of spamming. In another thread, there was even talk about how the "quick reply" box "taunted" users to spam. Still, it is a useful feature and we all knew some members would abuse it.
- When I came to this board two years ago the requirements to get an avatar was simple. You had to have at least five hundred posts and they could not be spam. What this meant, is over the span of your five hundred posts the moderators would watch you and decide if you was spamming,etc. This was the best method. The problem was that we kept gaining more members and they started to reach five hundred posts quicker and quicker. There was simply no way the moderators / admin\'s could keep up with each and everyone person and their quality of their posts. Thus, we have the reward system now. Which brings us to a completely new problem. Now that we have rewards that are enabled, people are quicker to spam to get that new elite custom user title or color. We can\'t go back to the way we was, because with the board actually having life to it know, there is no way the Mods /Admins could keep with every new request for a new custom user title. So, what do we do?
I for one have always felt that avatars, user titles and special colors should go to people picked by the moderators / admin\'s. The criteria for this would be if the member had been with the board for a specfic amount of time, had a certain amount of posts and was judged to be a respectul and quality member who added actually thought to threads in this forum. I wish that this is the way we would of went with the reward system, but now it is too late. MM has already established the newest reward system and there is no turning back. We can\'t remove everyone\'s custom title , color or avatar and start over. Maybe freezing posts count is the best way, but we have already tried that.
There really is no clear cut way to fix this problem.
- A lot of you was not here when Off-Topic wasn\'t as lively but had more quality posts. It was a completely different time when people like WelTall, Datamage , SublimeSjg and OnlineRat was around. Things change and we have a new group now. We also have moderators for this new group, people like Luke and MM have been very relaxed about the spamming going on as they truly believe that some spamming is good and it lets people cut loose. Obviously they was right to a degree, as we have a lot more members now than we ever have. The problem is, I think they may of spoiled you guys. Now anytime a mod closes a thread like Ooseven or SoulGrind everyone starts to throw a fit. But yet, when the topic comes up about how extreme the spamming has become you all scream for us to moderate more.
Another reason I think you all may be "spoiled" is because the spam has changed. It use to be just cutting loose and having fun. Now it has risen to a level of pointless that is absurd. Luckee, do we need a thread where the topic starter message has a link to that same exact thread? TheONeBillyGun, do we need a thread about your new sponge? Then there is the topic like "blah blah ..". Shockwave, was it really nessecary to posts 75 times in a row? The list goes on and on. Almost every regular in Off-Topic is guilty of this new kind of spam.
If we could somehow bring Off-Topic back to how it was per say two months ago, I think everything would be fine. Some of the older members would still not be completely content but it would be a lot easier to accept.
- As for splitting Off-Topic up, like we did Console Debating. This is a completely different enviroment. With Console Debating there was a nice size group of people that was tired of the mindless bashing and wanted a place to just discuss the latest developments in the industry without having to worry about a thread being ruined, so MM and Ryu decided to split it up. The key thing is we had a nice size group and the attitude in each forum is completely different.
If we split up Off-Topic into two different forums it wouldn\'t be near as succesful. Off-Topic would be almost completely dead and the new forum would be filled with spam and the worst kind of spam, because that is what people would be expected to post in there. We would not be encouraging our members to actually improve their posts, instead we would just be giving them a new place to spam.
Then there is the problem with how that would be moderated. It was a lot more clear cut with the split for Console Debating, as we decided Console Discussion would just be a more strict version of Debating. With an OFF-TOPIC split and place for people to spam, there is no clear cut way to moderate it. If a thread was closed in the new forum people would throw a fit and this whole situation would be back. Not to mention I\'m positive the spam would overflow there serving to only take up more server space.
Finally, we would also have the problem that newbies would simply go to this forum and spam so that they could get their picture, custom text and etc. At least in Off-Topic the moderaters can somewhat moderate the board.
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Every member is responsible for their posts and if you think that your post is useless spam, than why post it? People , use common sense before you post. It is the quickest and most effective way to get rid of some of this spam. No one is asking you all to become straight laced and serious. No one is asking for you to quick posting jokes and everything, just don\'t go overboard. I\'m sure each and every member on this board can tell the difference in how the spam was two months ago and how it is now. We can still have fun in Off-Topic and have pointless conversations, without saying things like "yea, i agree" or "lemon soothiessss".
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Well said LIC. I agree with what you said. With the new flow of members to the boards, it is hard to keep up with the posting. And now, with more members, spamming will continue to get worse and worse. What we should have is a spamming forums where the POST COUNT DOES NOT RISE. mm did something like that here to reduce spamming. The post count in OT would not go up. We could spam in that section without people get their post count to rise. I think that that is effective.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
TheONeBillyGun, do we need a thread about your new sponge?
damn it, everyone brings that up. It was a joke thread, I was making a point but in a funny way. I get new sponges everday, Bob had said something in another thread like, "we have threads like \'i have a new sponge today\'" so in spite I made that thread. Everyone holds me to it.
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Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
damn it, everyone brings that up. It was a joke thread, I was making a point but in a funny way. I get new sponges everday, Bob had said something in another thread like, "we have threads like \'i have a new sponge today\'" so in spite I made that thread. Everyone holds me to it.
You must use a lot of sponges...
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Posts that bitch about spam, are spam.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
You must use a lot of sponges...
and you complain I spam. :rpissed:
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Originally posted by \\/apor Snake
Posts that bitch about spam, are spam.
So are posts that bitch about posts that bitch about spam. And so are posts about posts that bitch about posts that bitch about spam.
So why don\'t we all just zip it. :eek:
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I agree with everything LIC wrote. Except the quick reply box. You still have the 60 second rule between posts so it\'s not like you post any faster. It\'s just a bit more convenient for the 56k users.
I wonder how many people really think about their post count when they post? I never even looked at mine.
I really wish they would take out the avatar rule for the 500 posts thing. Although I bet what happens is you will have everyone begging mm, etc for pics all the time. That would get old real fast for them.
Damn, I have to get back to my job.. I hate it when that gets in the way...
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yea vid..but it is very easy to ignore those messages :)
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Sorry about using one of your threads as an example, Billy. It is just one of those threads that sticks in my mind everytime I think of all the spam goin\' on around the boards. Its nothing personal and you should know that.
Vid, I say that the quick reply box encourages spam because of the fact it is one less page people have to click and for 56K users that is quite abit.
Titan, as for splitting the forum up and having a place where post count freezes. We could try that but it still has a couple problems. How do we moderate it? What should be tolerated? We can\'t let people just run free in the forum, because than we would have things that are simply not acceptable, not to mention so many threads taking up server space. Not to mention it would totally kill Off-Topic and we would be encouraging our members to post the most useless of things. I like to think the PSX2 community is actually filled with intelligent members, I just think we have went alittle excessive on the cutting loose and havin\' fun in Off-Topic.
While we are having this discussion, I don\'t think a lot of the members realize just how much the attitude of this board has changed. Along time ago a lot of these threads would of been closed but some of the admin and mods have tried to change it so that everyone here can have more fun and the board isn\'t near as strict. However, it seems that some members are taking advantage of the more easy goin\' enviroment and in return taking advantage of the freedom.
One final thing, I think this throwing a protest everytime a moderater does something needs to stop while we are at it. I\'ve noticed this getting worse and worse. And while every member is welcome to question the moderaters choice (we are human) please guys, do it in PM\'s. Bringing it up in another thread is just goin\' to have another thread closed and so forth.
When a thread is closed, its nothing personal towards a member, but as moderaters we do have a certain "job" , you may want to call it and that is to moderate the board . Now no one expects every member to agree with every choice made by the admin / mods, but there is no reason to get mad at the mod and start making threads or becoming the "Anti - *insert mod name*" (direct comment towards Luckee. ;) ). Just PM the one who closed it and if you don\'t know who closed it for some reason, PM another MOD and ask for the reason why.
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LIC...that is a valid valid point. It also becomes aggrivating when particular ppl do it selectively. While it is repeated that it isnt, I certainly see time and time again that it is done.
I know mods have powers to almost do as they wish, but if they really expect people to follow certain guidelines, they have to lead by example.