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Title: the start of a new trend perhaps?
Post by: mm on July 16, 2002, 02:45:35 PM
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters/products/0,11114,468550,00.html
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Post by: Watchdog on July 16, 2002, 03:20:52 PM
I would assume so.  And you can see it in interviews.  Devs ask about other versions and they dodge the question.  No one wants to commit, and even when they do you can\'t bank on it.

For those of you who want Splinter Cell on the PS2, I suggest you pray that it doesn\'t do very well.

http://www.redherring.com/insider/2002/0716/sega071602.html

While not directly related, it does show exactly how committed and determined MS is about being successful in this business. They want new franchises and properties especially--SP could be that game.
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Post by: mm on July 16, 2002, 03:28:25 PM
i guess you missed a word on that page, watch

:P
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Post by: IronFist on July 16, 2002, 04:00:46 PM
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For those of you who want Splinter Cell on the PS2, I suggest you pray that it doesn\'t do very well.

No need to pray for something that\'s already a given. :p

On topic, yep, Sony and Microsoft are both guilty of bribing companies.  Don\'t be surprised if we see Halo 2 on the PS2 and GT3 on the Xbox.  lol.
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Post by: fastson on July 16, 2002, 04:24:27 PM
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Originally posted by IronFist

No need to pray for something that\'s already a given. :p

On topic, yep, Sony and Microsoft are both guilty of bribing companies.  Don\'t be surprised if we see Halo 2 on the PS2 and GT3 on the Xbox.  lol.


The difference is.. Sony knows what quality is ;)
Didnt MS make POW exclusive btw?
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Post by: Watchdog on July 16, 2002, 05:14:16 PM
No POW is still multi--it was a typo or a bad translation, I can\'t remember which.

Sony knows quality?  Yeah, it only took 5 million sales for them to realize that GTA3 was a winner. :rolleyes:

Why don\'t you think SC will be successful Ironfist?  Previews have been positive.  Graphics are stunning.  And despite how I feel about the gameplay, the Metal Gear model sells.
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Post by: mm on July 16, 2002, 06:18:24 PM
/me shakes head

i guess you guys still missed a single word on that page
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Post by: IronFist on July 16, 2002, 06:58:08 PM
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Sony knows quality?  Yeah, it only took 5 million sales for them to realize that GTA3 was a winner. :rolleyes:

Yeah, but they beat Microsoft to the punch.  Also, you don\'t know how long the wheels were turning before the announcement was made.  They could have been negotiating even before it was released for all we know.

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Why don\'t you think SC will be successful Ironfist?  Previews have been positive.  Graphics are stunning.  And despite how I feel about the gameplay, the Metal Gear model sells.

I agree.  I was just kidding.
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Post by: Chrono on July 16, 2002, 07:28:42 PM
uhh, what are you talking about MM?
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Post by: cloud345 on July 16, 2002, 08:40:43 PM
I agree with Chrono im too lazy to click on links someone sum up whatever was in the link please. :p
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Post by: Watchdog on July 16, 2002, 08:59:42 PM
They beat them to the punch perhaps, but they also were in the game first with Rockstar and had the initial exclusivity contract.  It was Sony\'s to loose.

Yeah I don\'t know, they could have been talking about that before the game was even finished, but they could have started talking a day before E3.  The point is that neither of us knows, and it is moot.

What is it mm, "almost" or "hasn\'t"?
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Post by: nataku on July 16, 2002, 09:11:08 PM
"Release Date: Canceled"

That it?
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Post by: seven on July 16, 2002, 10:50:46 PM
guess we\'re seing a classic case of fighting fire with fire. A shame though, I would have prefered to see GTA3 go to the other platforms and have Halo for PS2... oh well, can\'t have everything I guess.
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Post by: ooseven on July 17, 2002, 12:37:15 AM
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GTA3 was originally planned for release on the Xbox, but an exclusive deal with Sony will keep GTA off any other console.


:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

Poor M$..pooor pooor M$
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Post by: fastson on July 17, 2002, 12:46:00 AM
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Originally posted by IronFist

Also, you don\'t know how long the wheels were turning before the announcement was made. They could have been negotiating even before it was released for all we know.


You know that rumour that appeared on Gaming-Age which said Sony had bought the exclusive rights to GTA3?

Rockstar refused to say anything then and it took them a while before they confirmed it.

So Id say the wheels had been turning for some time even before the rumour appeared. :)


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uhh, what are you talking about MM?


What I think he means is, that a new trend has started on leaving the Xbox out in the cold.. So to speak *wink* ;)
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Post by: ooseven on July 17, 2002, 12:52:45 AM
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Originally posted by fastson


What I think he means is, that a new trend has started on leaving the Xbox out in the cold.. So to speak *wink* ;)


yup its all to do with making games for the over 30 million PS2 (highly profitable)

or

making a conversion to the X box and lose money due to the User base

hence the reason why it went to the PC after the PS2.


Result

RockStar and DMA make a huge WAD of MONEY...and both PC and PS2 owners are happy...
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Post by: Bobs_Hardware on July 17, 2002, 02:47:21 AM
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Originally posted by fastson


What I think he means is, that a new trend has started on leaving the Xbox out in the cold.. So to speak *wink* ;)


No, Chrono was asking what the "one word" that mm is referring to (from the second article i think)

I would also like to know the word he is referring to... unless its all just some big mind game he is playing on us!!!
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Post by: mm on July 17, 2002, 04:25:45 AM
no, nataku saw the light

:)
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Post by: Watchdog on July 17, 2002, 04:52:04 AM
Everyone knew it was canceled?????

And no ooseven it has to do with a company giving loads of cash to a dev.
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Post by: mm on July 17, 2002, 04:54:04 AM
that site was dated 7/16

sorry if i dont keep up on the latest, "breaking" xbox news
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Post by: Blade on July 17, 2002, 05:46:56 AM
Sheesh, we all knew about this a month ago..
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Post by: mm on July 17, 2002, 05:59:33 AM
knew what?

that you like little boys?  thats news to me

hmmmph
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Post by: GmanJoe on July 17, 2002, 06:37:28 AM
I thought mm was referring to the "locked" articles. :)

I hate registering.
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Post by: nonamer on July 17, 2002, 10:00:01 AM
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Originally posted by ooseven


:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

Poor M$..pooor pooor M$


:eek:You\'ve just poor and MS in the same sentence!:eek:
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Post by: Watchdog on July 17, 2002, 11:43:41 AM
The article I posted should prove that MS will not allow that sort of trend to happen.  If things start to slide, they\'ll pull out a billion dollars and buy Sega and/or Square or some other company; they\'ll buy some high profile exclusives and the gamers will come.

It doesn\'t matter how much you hope that MS goes out of the VG market with its tail between their legs, because it ain\'t going to happen.  MS has invested too much to bow out.  Besides, it\'s not their style.
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Post by: nataku on July 17, 2002, 12:22:07 PM
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Originally posted by Watchdog
The article I posted should prove that MS will not allow that sort of trend to happen.  If things start to slide, they\'ll pull out a billion dollars and buy Sega and/or Square or some other company; they\'ll buy some high profile exclusives and the gamers will come.

It doesn\'t matter how much you hope that MS goes out of the VG market with its tail between their legs, because it ain\'t going to happen.  MS has invested too much to bow out.  Besides, it\'s not their style.


That\'s great. :rolleyes:

MS will buy up every company until there is nothing but shit on other consoles.  Way to go MS. :rolleyes:

Next thing you know Nintendo will go to only making games and MS will attempt to buy them up, too.

Bill Gates = :evil:
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Post by: Watchdog on July 17, 2002, 02:32:03 PM
yeah, nataku, because Sony would never buy controlling stake in a company to secure exclusives.... :rolleyes:

The ignorance of some people around here...
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Post by: Living-In-Clip on July 17, 2002, 10:19:29 PM
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Originally posted by nataku


That\'s great. :rolleyes:

MS will buy up every company until there is nothing but shit on other consoles.  Way to go MS. :rolleyes:

Next thing you know Nintendo will go to only making games and MS will attempt to buy them up, too.

Bill Gates = :evil:


Yeah, but we don\'t have to worry about that right now. I mean, it is not like Sony would ever by a mass amount of stock in Square to tie them up, now is it? Or Nintendo doin\' the same to Rare?...Oh wait, you mean they did ?

:rolleyes:
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Post by: seven on July 17, 2002, 10:47:28 PM
about Sony/Square. I believe if Sony wouldn\'t have bought those 19%, Microsoft or another company would have. That\'s just how low the price was after the flop "the spirits whitin" - so in that essence, you can\'t blame Sony for doing what needed to be done.

And Sony is a completely different matter to me. Microsoft has proven their sneakiness and ways of succeding through bruteforce tactics already. Hell, if you read up on MS\'s "Palladium", I really can\'t show much anticipation to what Microsoft is capable off and might do to the industry with its money. Scary thought...
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Post by: Watchdog on July 18, 2002, 04:40:08 AM
And that is my point seven-MS is no different from Sony.
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Post by: mm on July 18, 2002, 04:47:40 AM
ummm, they\'re vastly different

you dont see sony charging to play online do ya?

*snicker*
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Post by: ooseven on July 18, 2002, 06:58:57 AM
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Originally posted by mm
ummm, they\'re vastly different

you dont see sony charging to play online do ya?

*snicker*


and you don\'t see Sony launching a Console that only Sells 800 units in a week over in japan.


An\'t that Right MicroFLOPS ;)

Floppy-do-da-day
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Post by: Watchdog on July 18, 2002, 07:37:49 PM
Again, what do you consider GC to be, if xbox is a flop?

They\'re not different. Sony is offering a nothing online plan with dial up, no servers or support.  How can anyone charge for this?
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Post by: Bozco on July 19, 2002, 12:07:41 PM
Yea, GC is the biggest flop of the group.  Xbox is new to the area and they are doing alright but GC is doing worse and its a verteran of the gaming industry.
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Post by: SwifDi on July 20, 2002, 11:56:24 PM
Gamecube has a much better library of games, and future titles ahead of it. Alot of people have just lost faith in Nintendo, as people did in Sega. Whenever a new system comes out and seems to do well people flock to it. (i.e. Super Nintendo in the 16-bit wars)
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Post by: Watchdog on July 21, 2002, 08:15:12 AM
A much better library of games?  lol.  Yes N is looking a lot like Sega, and what happened to them.
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Post by: Chrono on July 21, 2002, 08:21:35 AM
Sega only wishes they sold 500k in 2 hours of something on the DC.
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Post by: Bobs_Hardware on July 21, 2002, 08:21:41 AM
What are the global sales for both consoles?  I would have thought that the GCN would have had more sales in other countries.. and its only 400,000 or so behind in the US..

meh
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Post by: Chrono on July 21, 2002, 08:25:38 AM
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What are the global sales for both consoles? I would have thought that the GCN would have had more sales in other countries.. and its only 400,000 or so behind in the US..


Overall they are about neck to neck international
Mario and this fall season will change that
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Post by: pstwo on July 21, 2002, 04:43:20 PM
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GTA3 was originally planned for release on the Xbox, but an exclusive deal with Sony will keep GTA off any other console.


I see it like this from the developers stand point,  

Xbox user base = 3.7 Mil

PS2 user base = 50+ Mil  

Even if GTA3 was on the Xbox with better graphics, if I was the developers I wound stay with Sony.  More user = $$$.
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Post by: Ginko on July 21, 2002, 05:41:48 PM
what...happened to...pstwo?

is scared

EDIT:  Nobody said the developers had to choose sides...GTA series=cash cow.  Anywhere they want to take it, they will more than make up for costs...
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Post by: fastson on July 21, 2002, 06:26:44 PM
PS2 userbase is actually somewhere around 30 million  

Yes I would understand if Rockstar decided to make it exclusive on PS2. But Im sure Sony had some sort of a reward for them. Something formed like a hat.. I can see it, its green.
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Post by: Bobs_Hardware on July 21, 2002, 11:18:48 PM
A..... mouldy.. hat?

:crap:
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Post by: SwifDi on July 21, 2002, 11:21:49 PM
Is it an edible hat?
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Post by: Tyrant on July 21, 2002, 11:35:31 PM
no u silly bufoons :p ....its a money hat.:nerd: