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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: SwifDi on July 16, 2002, 07:50:26 PM
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(Teams listed in order from best-worst)
AFC EAST:
1. Miami - With Williams in the picture the Dolphins passing game will have less pressure on it, and Fiedler\'s numbers will improve. Look for Chris Chambers to be a nice target.
2. New England - Tom Brady will bust, putting up numbers that linger around par. Defense remains strong, but I guess I don\'t have enough confidence in Brady.
3. Buffalo - Bledsoe is a nice upgrade of R. Johnson. The Bills defense still sucks, and their running game also blows...
4. Jets - Testaverde\'s gas meter is almost at empty and the Jets have another horrible defense. Maybe they\'ll pull of some upsets against Miami as usual, but in the end, won\'t go anywhere.
AFC NORTH:
Pittsburgh - Kordell will have another suprisingly good season as the Steelers re-enter the playoffs. The defense will come up big, and look for Zeorue to share carries with Bettis much more often.
Cleveland - William Green will make things different for the Browns. Likely Rookie of the Year candidate, Green will take alot of pressure off of Couch. And the Browns defense seems to be coming out of its hole as well.
Baltimore - Jamal Lewis is back.... However, not many RB\'s breakout for huge seasons and lead their teams into their playoffs after devestating injuries. And the QB situation doesn\'t make things any better....
Cincinatti - Corey Dillon is going to be the next Curtis Martin. Basically a great RB stranded on a shitty team, with a lousy QB. When you have either Jon Kitna or Gus Frerotte fighting for the top spot on your team\'s roster, you know your odds of having a good season are low...
AFC SOUTH:
Indianapolis - Good bye Jim Mora, welcome back Edgerrin. Two plusses during the offseason... You may say losing Pathon isn\'t a plus, but it is when you have Qadry Ismail to fill his shoes. Manning, unsuprisingly, will compete with Warner for passing yardage this year.
Tennessee - People have alot of confidence in George this year it seems. Losing Bruce Matthews isn\'t a good thing, but George back to full health is.... I\'m not much of a Titan fan... I\'m just putting them second because the next two teams don\'t belong here...
Jacksonville - Another year.... another injury for Fred (Fraud) Taylor. Lets hope the guy can get through at least training camp. Mark Brunell\'s career is taking a nosedive, Keenan McCardell move on... The Jags defense is sub par... Zzzzz....
Houston - Expansion teams never do well... Moving on...
AFC WEST:
Oakland - Gruden leaving isn\'t a very good thing, but it is when him and Gannon never really were on the same page. This is it for the Raiders though, after this year, it\'s all downhill. Gannon, Brown and Rice are all heading towards their forties for christ sake. Maybe they\'ll go far this year, but I see losing record seasons ahead for the Raiders.
Denver - Predicted again and again to be Superbowl contenders but are always to plagued with injuries to get there. But come on... you got Davis, Gary, and Anderson... 3 backs that all can easily start for any other team. Broncos downside is their lousy secondary... very lousy.
San Diego - Flutie or Brees? Old or Young? Experienced or Inexperienced? Loser or Winner? Look for the Chargers to give the nod to Brees starting. Tomlinson will have a great season... I still have no faith in the SD defense...
Kansas City - Priest Holmes will be another bust. He\'ll do what Lamar Smith did after his great season, not very much. Trent Green loses Derrick Alexander, leaving him with only Tony Gonzalez (who is having his play at the NBA), and Snoop Minnis.
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NFC EAST:
Philadelphia - Philly didn\'t make too many changes over the offseason so look for the same team, only with a more experieced and mature Donovan McNabb. The run game is still questionable though, however....
NY Giants - Barber is ok... Collins is barely ok... Hilliard is ok... Giants are ok.... And also one of the most BORING teams in the NFL.
Dallas - Cowboys are beginning to emerge once again... slowly, but nevertheless emerging. Emmit Smith will try to go out with a small bang... I wouldn\'t be surprised to see the Cowboys hit .500.
Washington - Tony Banks is throwing the ball... Davis is running the ball... Look for a bunch of very boring games, in which the Redskins lose... Jeremiah Trotter is a plus...
NFC NORTH:
Green Bay - The Packers offense hit a rut with the trio of Antonio Freeman, Bill Schroeder and Corey Bradford, so coach Mike Sherman rolled the dice. Terry Glenn\'s acquisition was the biggest gamble, but it\'s also the safest since it only cost a fourth-round choice. The signing of DE Joe Johnson, however, was a curious one. Ahman Green doesn\'t hurt either... This team is looking to build an offensive machine and their secondary is punishing as well.
Chicago - I think Jim Miller will/should lose his starting job to Chris Chandler. Although Chandler is known for being injury-prone, Chandler is without question the better QB. Anthony Thomas has settled in as a good starting back and the Bears defense is one of the best in the league.
Minnesota - I have no clue why people are so hyped up over this team. They will probably have 8 new starters on their defense! Don\'t be blinded by Culpepper and Moss... Because thats basically all this team has. Michael Bennett has yet to do anything for the team so maybe if the Vikings are lucky he\'ll step up. Remember this was also the team that lost to both the Lions and the Panthers last year....
Detroit - The team that everyone rooted against... 0-16 is a good thing to laugh about, but the Lions disappointed and eventually won a couple. This team just sucks. James Stewart sucks... Ty Detmer really sucks... Defense is horrible... the only ray of sunshine is on Mike McMahon who had a few good games, but no one can carry a team as lousy as this one.
NFC South:
Tampa Bay - The Bucs... a.k.a. "The Most Disappointing Team in Football" . I\'m gonna be brief you got Brad Johson, Keyshawn Johnson, Keenan McCardell, Michael Pittman, Mike Alstott, and solid defense, and a hyperactive kicker, and John Gruden. WIN.
New Orleans - Lost Ricky Williams... But I guarantee that Deuce McCallister will make New Orleans fans forget Ricky. And Aaron Brooks will hopefully calm down, and start throwing accurate passes. Jerome Pathon is another important factor.
Atlanta - Got Warrick Dunn, most would consider that an upgrade over the faltering Jamal Anderson, if you still remember who that was. Michael Vick gets the starting QB job, and look for him to be more comfortable than last year. Defense still blows, at least they don\'t have to play the Rams anymore.
Carolina - People focused way too much attention on the Lions last year as the worst team, when this in fact was a team that played just as poor. Lamar Smith really did his career in by signing with them, as Timiaka Biakabutuka learned, its tough to run in Carolina. Muhsin Muhammad is the best guy on this team and is very underrated. The only plus is that they are in one of the weaker divisions.
NFC WEST:
St. Louis - Rams have got to be stunned after the Superbowl. They have two of the biggest names in football: Faulk and Warner. The best RB, and the best QB. And lets not forget about a great recieving corp in Holt and Bruce. Losing Hakim to the Lions may hurt special teams a tad, but you have to take alot more away from the Rams in order to make them non-contenders. Virtually invincible, except they seem to have a great weakness when playing tough defenses, i.e. Patriots, Giants, Buccaneers, Eagles (although most teams do).
San Francisco - Unfortunately for me, my team is in the toughest division in the NFL. Even when the divisions were reordered they were stuck with St. Louis. Unfortunate because the Rams have had the Niners number for the past 3 years. On the bright note, the Niners always seem to get closer to winning as they play, so maybe, if I\'m lucky, the Niners will take away a game against the Rams this year. Hearst should run for another 1000 yard season, Barlow will even add more in the running game. Garcia, Owens, and a young and agile defense can\'t be bad either. Niners just have to beat the Rams.
Arizona - Some people really underrate the Cardinals. Some people have never even heard of David Boston, last year\'s leading reciever. However losing Pittman, an average RB, to start Thomas Jones, a below average RB really hurts. Defense is inconsistent....
Seattle - It\'s about time... Trent Dilfer finally has the starting job. Shaun Alexander took everyone by suprise last season and is now a top 5 RB in the NFL. If you haven\'t heard the name Darrell Jackson before, I guarantee you will be hearing it alot this season. Unfortunately we turn to the Seahawk defense which has a weak secondary. Watch Warner throw +300 yards on this team.
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I\'m not gonna look at playoffs and stuff because the last few years you always have that team that surprises everyone and comes from no where. (Rams, Giants, Ravens, Patriots)
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AFC EAST:Miami
AFC NORTH:Cleveland
AFC SOUTH:Tennessee
AFC WEST:Oakland
NFC EAST:Philadelphia
NFC NORTH:Chicago
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NFC South:Tampa Bay
NFC WEST: St. Louis
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I see Cleveland doing big things. Sorry I don\'t follow football enough to evaluate all the teams.
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i think cleveland could win the AFC this year.
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KC last in the AFC West, eh Vapor? I love you, too :P
AFC East: Jets. Dolphins always find a way to choke, New England still isn\'t that good, and the Bills, well, they\'re not going to improve much, though they\'ll be better than 3-13. The Jets still have a solid team, but lost bigtime losing both of their Secondary Centerpieces, but I think that they\'ll recover nicely.
AFC North is it?: Steelers. Kordell Stewart is, and always will be trash, but he has a good team around him, and they\'re still very, very good. They lost some good defesive guys, but they got some great young talent that can get them places. As long as Kordell doesn\'t throw them out of the playoff picture, they\'ll be fine. Browns are improving, they\'re just goona keep getting better and better, hell, maybe even compete for a Wild Card. Cincy still needs to improve...you kind of wonder when this team\'s goona bust out of it\'s shell. Ravens are rebuilding, and it\'s goona be a long process...goona have to wait a couple years to see this team on the radar screen again.
AFC South: Colts. Face it, they have all the tools. Manning, James, and Harrison is the most lethal 3 in the league, I don\'t care about Faulk, Warner, Holt/Bruce. Dungy\'s goona make the defense just as good as it can be, and with that, the Colts could be looking at a 11-5 or a 13-3 season. If Eddie George can\'t get on track, the Titans have absolutely no chance in hell, just like last year. They lost a cog in Bruce Matthews, but who knows. The Titans are a hard team to figure out. If Fred Taylor can\'t stay healthy, the Jags have no chance, either. Brunell is good, but they\'ve lost some pieces, and are hampered by the Salary Cap.
AFC West: Chiefs. Yep, this is my stupid, irrational pick, but they\'re my team, and they\'re looking good right now. They finished out last season strong, and if Trent Green can retain his late season form, Priest Holmes can be somewhere near the level he was playing at last year, and the Recievers stay healthy, well, they could put on some fireworks. Gary Robinson has some work to do with the defense, but the 2 Defensive Tackle Draft picks will be intrecal for the Chiefs Defense suceeding. Denver has just too many running backs, and lord knows one of them is going to be unhappy by the end of the year. Griese needs to stay healthy, and McCaffery needs to come back to form. The Raiders, well, they\'re the Raiders, what can you say. They have improved immensley, and their Quarterback is a proven winner. The Jon Gruden loss will hurt them bigtime, but they\'ll still be contenders. The Chargers will always be a tough team, but if they fall apart like they did last year, well, it\'s goona be another ho-hum year.
As for the NFC, I\'m goona keep it short and sweet.
NFC East: Eagles. They\'re just too good for the rest of these teams, and they will be bigtime contenders in the playoffs.
NFC North: Packers. Ahman Green has come from the shadows to prove himself as one of the best backs in the game (Which thrills me immensley, being that he\'s a Husker :D). Favre\'s goona be on his game, but losing Freeman and Schroeder\'s goona hurt them, and I\'m not so convinced that Terry Glenn\'s such a great guy to have at that slot.
NFC South: New Orleans. Tampa Bay will find a way to struggle, and I\'m not so convinced that they have what it takes to make due in the playoffs. NO always seems to be a solid team, and they could be big down the stretch.
NFC West: 49ers. It\'s this teams\' year to shine, in my opinion. They got a great young defense, and they got what it takes to compete with the Rams. I think they win the division by a game, and The Rams take the Wild Card.
Rah. Go Chiefs. See Yuz.
Edit: Oh yeah, and Vapor, The Chiefs got Johnnie Morton, Sly Morris, Snoop Minnis, and Eddie Kennison at WR. Pretty solid WR core considering Kennison came on late bigtime last year
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Note: Teams with a (*) next to them are wild card teams
AFC EAST:
Miami - Take a team that\'s major problem last year was an inability to run effectively, and add Ricky Williams. What do you get? AFC East Champs
New England (*)- The defending champs won\'t have the same soft schedule they had last time around.
Jets- They god hit hard in the expansion draft, but they also made some good signings. Cowart, if healthy, will help a lot on D, and Martin is still one of the best RBs in the NFL.
Buffalo - They added a QB. Maybe next time they\'ll add a running back...or a defense.
AFC NORTH:
Pittsburgh - They are the type of team I like. Strong defense, power offense. They will repeat in a weakened division.
Baltimore - Yes, Jamal is back. Grbac -can\'t be worse than him. That means the offense could only get better, even without Sharpe. The defense took some hits, but I think they are still better than the Browns.
Cleveland - Couch played better last year, but the team is still young, and has no huge stars. The defense is good though, and if they get their running game going, they could be ok.
Cincinatti - I feel sorry for the city, and for Dillon. The team can do nothing right (just look at their draft this year).
AFC SOUTH:
Indianapolis - The defense will get better under Dungy. James is back, and they picked up Quadry Ismail to go opposite Harrison. This should be a very strong team.
Tennessee - After all these years, I finally get it. Eddie George never was a great RB, he just had the best blocking FB in the NFL to run behind. Then O\'Neal goes to Cincy, and George falls apart. If the defense gets back to where it once was, this team makes the playoffs. If not, they\'re just another disappointment.
Jacksonville - If Taylor is healthy, he could have a great year. Too bad the rest of this team won\'t.
Houston - They could be pretty good for an expansion team, but they\'re still an expansion team.
AFC WEST:
Oakland - Great defense, a very good passing attack, and 2 solid running backs. There is no reason not to put them here.
Denver (*)- They bring back Sharpe, and McCaffrey is back. If he stays healthy, this is one of the best passing attacks in the NFL. You also have a very deep running attack. The defense has declined, but if they stay healthy they make the playoffs.
San Diego - They have a better coach, one who really should still be back with his old team. Tomlinson is for real too. They don\'t have enough to make the playoffs though. Not yet at least.
Kansas City - I happen to disagree with \\/apor here. Priest Holmes is a good RB. Trent Green will be better this year. They should be better overall, but they need more players.
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NFC EAST:
Philadelphia - Mark this down now. This is my pick for Super Bowl champs. McNabb keeps getting better, and the defense is really good.
Washington- Let me read their LBs to you: Trotter, Armstead, Arrington. This team made a run at the end of the year last year, and have an incredibly solid defense now. They have a solid RB, and a good coach. Spurrier thinks that Werful (SP) can compete at the NFL level. If he, or Banks, is even decent, this is a solid team.
NY Giants - They lost a lot in the off season. Collins is not a big game quarter back, and John Fox is gone. Armstead moves on as well. This team is sinking fast.
Dallas - The Cowboys are going to have a huge moment this year: Emmitt Smith should break the all time rushing record. Not much else will happen here though.
NFC NORTH:
Chicago - The best defense in the NFL. Thomas will only get better at RB. They upgraded at QB. Why wouldn\'t they repeat?
Green Bay (*) - Favre is still the best QB in the NFL. Terry Glenn is still a distraction at best. They might make the playoffs, if they don\'t hang Glenn first.
Minnesota - Carter is gone, the defense still sucks. Moss will have a great year, but they still have no RB, and are getting thin all around.
Detroit - This team will be dangerous. They have Schroeder and Hakim at WR now, and Joey Heisman to play QB. Perhaps in a few years...
NFC South:
Tampa Bay - They add McCardell opposite Keyshawn. Gruden will not let the offense struggle like it had. The defense is still solid.
New Orleans - I still like Brooks a lot, but the team lost it\'s best player, and didn\'t make the playoffs last year. They won\'t this year either.
Atlanta - Vick is still a couple years away. I think they have some other players on the team, but I\'m not sure.
Carolina - They stole John Fox from us :( They deserve this last place finish!
NFC WEST:
St. Louis - There is a way to beat the Rams. Ask the Bucs, Eagles, Giants, and Pats, who all seemed to be able to slow down the greatest show on turf. I personally think the team is soft. Put them in a game like the Pats Raiders one last year, and watch what happens. They better hope they get homefield. Teams that played tough games on both sides of the field seem to get to them.
San Francisco (*)- Garica and Owens are the best passing combo in the NFL. Hearst proved he is back. They just have to hope the D can keep improving.
Seattle - Dilfer knows how to win. Alexander ended up being an incredible back. The team is really pretty good, and in a couple years, who knows?
Arizona - Come on, they\'re the Cards. I don\'t think you can under rate them. You just over rate them. Sure they have Boston, but they have Plummer throwing to him. They won\'t do anything.
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And the NFC West the best division in the NFL? Not even close. It still has to be the AFC East.
And I really like the Skins. I think they have a chance to be this year\'s Pats.
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I as well. I think Kordell Stewart sucks, and despite the Steelers having the number one rushing in the league, a sputtering offense.
Go Browns.
And in the AFC South, I can\'t see the Titans even matching up with the Colts. And I ranked the Bears second in their division for the same reason I ranked the Niners second, they can\'t beat the number one guy.
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To be honest..I really dont care and havent thought much about it. I only care that the bears continue their success this yr and make it farther into the playoffs.
I agree that chandler should start, I also think the bears should invest some dough into a good, relatively young qb tho. Basically everything else in in line except for that important piece
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I\'m not picking on you shockwaves, its just I agreed with ROL. And... wait I am picking on you ;)
Baltimore - Yes, Jamal is back. Grbac can\'t be worse. That means the offense could only get better, even without Sharpe. The defense took some hits, but I think they are still better than the Browns.
Grbac can\'t get worse, he retired. And the Browns took a game against Baltimore last year.
Cleveland - Couch played better last year, but the team is still young, and has no huge stars. The defense is good though, and if they get their running game going, they could be ok.
Teams don\'t need huge stars. Look at the Patriots, they had Tom Brady, Troy Brown, and Antowain Smith... Guys you haven\'t heard of till\' last year.
Kansas City - I happen to disagree with \\/apor here. Priest Holmes is a good RB. Trent Green will be better this year. They should be better overall, but they need more players.
They also lost Derrick Alexander, and they have sub par recievers now. Holmes is great, but I\'m still not convinced he can follow up with the same kind of year.
Philadelphia - Mark this down now. This is my pick for Super Bowl champs. McNabb keeps getting better, and the defense is really good.
Perhaps.... They\'re run game is inconsistent though.. They did lose Trotter... but McNabb is getting better.
Chicago - The best defense in the NFL. Thomas will only get better at RB. They upgraded at QB. Why wouldn\'t they repeat?
The Packers stand in their way. Packers have a much better offense.
And the NFC West the best division in the NFL? Not even close. It still has to be the AFC East.
No way...
AFC East Record Last Year: 35-29
NFC West Record Last Year: 42-22
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Same as Vapor, I\'m going best to worst.
AFC EAST:
1. Miami - I agree, they have to be on of the favorites out of the AFC. By getting Williams it boosted their TERRIBLE run offense, and will take some strain off Fiedler. And their defense is one of the best.
2. New England - I see these last 3 teams finishing around 8-8. I don\'t see any of them making the playoffs.
3. Buffalo - Blah
4. Jets - Blah.
AFC NORTH:
Pittsburgh - With Plaxico Buress and Ward starting to come on, and Bettis staying consistant, I don\'t see why they can\'t make the Super Bowl. I see them playing much like they did last season.
Cleveland - Last year they started strong, maybe they\'ll keep it going next season. Who knows, they might even compete for a Wild Card spot.
Baltimore - After losing everybody to free agency I don\'t see how they can compete. 7-9 season in the making.
Cincinatti - The Bengals, yeah. Corey Dillon might make the Pro Bowl.
AFC SOUTH:
Indianapolis - I think they\'ll be another team that has a decent shot at the Pro Bowl. They have the offense, and by getting Dungy they get a defensive minded coach. That should help what was their weak part, their defense.
Tennessee - Their offense will probably be inconsistant through the year. George will probably have a strong season, and will be the key part. They have a solid defense. I think they\'ll get a Wild Card spot.
Jacksonville - Their team is fading, 6-10 season.
Houston - Go Houston! They might end up 5-11.
AFC WEST:
Denver - I think Griese will step up, maybe become the leader that everyone wants him to be. If Davis and McCaffery can stay healthy that\'ll help. Their defense is solid. But I don\'t think they\'re a Super Bowl contender yet.
Oakland - Like Vapor said, all their players are getting old. This will probably be the last go. I see them fighting for the Wild Card.
Kansas City - Things are looking up. Trent Green started last season horribly, then started to get a little better as the season went on. Hopefully he\'ll get the job done for the next few seasons. I think Priest Holmes will have another good season, but it might not be as good as last years. This will be another learning year for their young WR\'s, Morris and Minis, but hopefully they\'ll get alot better. They might fight with the Raiders for 2nd place in the division, and could possibly contend for the Wild Card.
San Diego - I\'d start Flutie, he has the experience. But Brees might get a few starts throughout the year.
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NFC EAST:
Philadelphia - Same team, add a win or two to their record from last season. Still a Super Bowl contender.
Dallas - With one of the best defenses in the league and talented WR\'s i can see them in 2nd. They still need to find a QB, though. I\'m still mad Emmitt passed Sanders on the All-Time rushing yard list, so i can care less if he sucks.
NY Giants - A .500 team.
Washington - A .500 team.
NFC NORTH:
Green Bay - I see them doing like they did last year. Have a solid season and go to the playoffs. They can almost be considered Super Bowl contenders.
Chicago - They have a solid team all around. Defense is one of the best in the league, and with the Anthony Thomas getting better, that should help their offense. I saw this video of Brian Urlacher doing push-ups, it\'s crazy. He can go up and do a full rotation in air. That\'s my useless fact.
Minnesota - I think Moss will have a huge year. But it\'s too bad they don\'t have anything else besides him and Culpepper. They might make the playoffs.
Detroit - I don\'t think they\'ll do as bad as last year. 4-12 is a reasonable number i think.
NFC South:
Tampa Bay - Yes, they are dissapointing. Pittman is almost as good as Dunn recieving but better at running from the line of scrimmage. So that could add something. Their defense will be solid once again. Could be considered a Super Bowl contender.
New Orleans - I think the Saints have a shot at a Wild Card spot. They have good WR\'s, a good young RB in McCallister, and if Brooks can perform consistantly I think they\'ll be fine.
Atlanta - I see them as a .500 team. Got some new players so they\'ll have some kinks to work out.
Carolina - Probably will end up with the worst record in football.
NFC WEST:
St. Louis - The team i pick to win the Super Bowl, but then again i did last year too. Warner, Faulk, Bruce, Holt, a solid defense.
San Francisco - Will most likely make the playoffs. Owens and Garcia are a great QB/WR tandem. Their defense is solid. I think they might finish around 12-4/13-3.
Seattle - I don\'t see Dilfer doing much, but Alexander will probably have a great season. They, too, will probably finish around .500.
Arizona - Losing their defensive leader (Tillman) won\'t help any. But if they can get Plummer to perform, and if their offensive line will block, they might finish around .500.
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That was fun.
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AFC EAST: New England - Although Miami has powerful weapons, as usual they will go into the season the heavied favorite. Dolphins are over-rated every year. This year will be no different. NE retains most of the same team w/ the exception of Bledsoe, who will bring Buffalo from a crappy team to a mediocre team at best. Look for New England to enter the play-offs again, maybe won\'t be champs, but definite contenders. New England will have a tougher schedual this year, but like last year, they will show they can step up to even an unstoppable team.
AFC NORTH: Pittsburg - I\'m liking Pittsburg again this year. Reason, they will be aware that they are not the unstoppable team they think they are and put more effort into the game. They\'ve got the weapons, and they\'ve got the defense, they just gotta perform. Baltimore might stick it\'s head out and prove to be a challenge, but a challenge at best. Cincinattie and Cleveland look pitiful this year, both will be sub .500 teams.
AFC SOUTH: Tennesse - This team had a building year last year, with it\'s ups and downs. But they seem to be good overall this year. Indy with the acquisition of Dungy may prove to be contenders, but I see them more in the wild card spot, losing yet another first round playoff game. Manning is powerful, but like Miami, heavely overated every year. Houston being an expansion team will take a few years to build, but might have some memorable first season games. Jacksonville... they threw in the towel before the expansion draft.
AFC WEST: San Diego - A lot of people seem to like Oakland, I like SD, and I\'ll tell you why. They were 4-1 beginning last year until bad coaching got the worst of them. This year new coaching, improved offense and lighter schedual will push San Diego to the top. SD and Oakland will both contend for number one. Oakland is gonna be a play-off team but for how long, Gannon is getting old, he can\'t take hits like he used to. Rice is getting old, Oakland is an old team, maybe not bad, but that\'s bad for the future. Maybe they are too old. I don\'t expect anything out of KC or Denver.
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NFC EAST: Washington - This is my immediate disagrement with the first post. Spurrier, one of the greatest college coaches knows what it takes to win. I said the second Spurrier was added Washington will be a good team, the players have been improved, O and D IMPROVED. Were looking at astronomical numbers here. Philly will indeed be the thorn in washington\'s side but only to a degree. NY, hate to say it, but the are between a rock and a hard place, harder teams, no more fifth place scheduals, were looking at another sad season. :(
NFC NORTH: Greenbay/Chicago - Not much to say here. You\'ve got two solid teams and two pitful teams. Favre is back, Chicago still ownz defense. I can\'t help to think this division will come down to one game, I\'ll give green bay the edge though. Lets just hope farve doesn\'t get stuck in a dome when playoffs come around. :laughing:
NFC SOUTH: New Orleans - People will be doubting with the loss of Ricky Williams, but I will be laughing in their face. They still have a tight offense, maybe not the greatest defense, but when it comes down to it they put the numbers up when it counts. TB will have keyshawn and sapp, but no connection, they\'ll be a lost team, like last year. I see Atlanta looking at the number two spot, and possibly a wild card, Vick had his rookie year, now it\'s time for him to do some damage.
NFC WEST: St. Louis - There is no betting against these guys. I\'m sorry, but their offense will never be outmatched while Faulk and Warner are still playing. Opposing teams will have to capitalize on turnovers, and use strong defense to overcome this team. Arizona will remain nobodies. SanFran will be the only contenders, and probably the second wild card.
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This years Superbowl "New England vs. Washington"
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This years hardest division, AFC EAST.
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Only to be fair... And I have no life...
AFC East: Jets. Dolphins always find a way to choke, New England still isn\'t that good, and the Bills, well, they\'re not going to improve much, though they\'ll be better than 3-13. The Jets still have a solid team, but lost bigtime losing both of their Secondary Centerpieces, but I think that they\'ll recover nicely.
I think teams will have field days against the weak Jets defense. Even their run defense blows. Williams will easily pick up 100 yards on them.
NFC West: 49ers. It\'s this teams\' year to shine, in my opinion. They got a great young defense, and they got what it takes to compete with the Rams. I think they win the division by a game, and The Rams take the Wild Card.
Did I mention, I love you?
Oh yeah, and Vapor, The Chiefs got Johnnie Morton, Sly Morris, Snoop Minnis, and Eddie Kennison at WR. Pretty solid WR core considering Kennison came on late bigtime last year
Those are second and third recievers... No number one guys that will step up... Kennison has potential to be a decent number one guy but only time will prove me wrong.
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Johnnie Morton WAS the #1 guy in Detroit when Hermann Moore was either being waisted or injured. Sly Morris was injured all last year, but in his healthy rookie year, he actually was pretty good, and was the best Rookie WR in the league. If Snoop Minnis can run his damn routes, he can be a huge guy in the WR Core. Oh yeah, and the Chiefs got this guy named Tony Gonzalez. I heard he was pretty good :D
See Yuz.
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Yes Gonzo is the best TE. Johnnie Morton, yes I remember now, did start across from Crowell. That was on the Lions, now he\'s on a bigger team that expects bigger things.
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Yesss, that\'s right :)
Now you know that the Chiefs WR Crew is a lot better than you originally gave it credit for, rah. If all of the elements can converge, well, the Chiefs could have a real shot at doing major damage.
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Perhaps... Although my confidence in Green is low...
BTW, check this picture out, its not edited I got it from NFL.com
Garcia is da man.
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
I\'m not picking on you shockwaves, its just I agreed with ROL. And... wait I am picking on you ;)
Grbac can\'t get worse, he retired. And the Browns took a game against Baltimore last year.
Meh, bad wording. Look at my post now, you\'ll see what I meant.
Originally posted by Vapor Snake
Teams don\'t need huge stars. Look at the Patriots, they had Tom Brady, Troy Brown, and Antowain Smith... Guys you haven\'t heard of till\' last year.
But I don\'t think the Browns have the people that can step up in the same way. And yes, I had heard of the people. I happen to pay attention to Michigan football, being the Ohio St. fan I am :)
Originally posted by Vapor Snake
They also lost Derrick Alexander, and they have sub par recievers now. Holmes is great, but I\'m still not convinced he can follow up with the same kind of year.
Derrick Alexander also did nothing last year. Their reciever have gotten better, when you consider the season Alexander had. The team also came together at the end of the year, and finished strong.
Originally posted by Vapor Snake
Perhaps.... They\'re run game is inconsistent though.. They did lose Trotter... but McNabb is getting better.
Staley isn\'t that bad at all. He just had injury problems that slowed him. Trotter is a loss, but they still are very solid on D. They also showed they can play the Rams, and I always hate to pick favorites to win.
Originally posted by Vapor Snake
The Packers stand in their way. Packers have a much better offense.
The Packers were there last year too. The Bears have a much better defense, and the Packers have very questionable recievers this year.
Originally posted by Vapor Snake
No way...
AFC East Record Last Year: 35-29
NFC West Record Last Year: 42-22
The Cards are worse than any AFC East team for sure. The Seahawks could be too. The Bills got much better. The Pats are the defending champs. The Dolphins also got much better. The Jets are a very solid team. This team is very tough, top to bottom. The AFC East teams improved more than the NFC West ones by far. It isn\'t last year, it\'s this year.
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Ah yes, go football debates. I decided to reply to TOBG\'s post.
Let the fun begin.
AFC EAST: New England - Although Miami has powerful weapons, as usual they will go into the season the heavied favorite. Dolphins are over-rated every year. This year will be no different. NE retains most of the same team w/ the exception of Bledsoe, who will bring Buffalo from a crappy team to a mediocre team at best. Look for New England to enter the play-offs again, maybe won\'t be champs, but definite contenders. New England will have a tougher schedual this year, but like last year, they will show they can step up to even an unstoppable team.
Miami DESERVES to be the heavy favorite. They picked up the missing link. NE had a break out season. The harder schedule, and with the teams out to get them, they\'ll probably finish around 9-7.
AFC NORTH: Pittsburg - I\'m liking Pittsburg again this year. Reason, they will be aware that they are not the unstoppable team they think they are and put more effort into the game. They\'ve got the weapons, and they\'ve got the defense, they just gotta perform. Baltimore might stick it\'s head out and prove to be a challenge, but a challenge at best. Cincinattie and Cleveland look pitiful this year, both will be sub .500 teams.
Cleveland looks pitiful? They started great last season, and can only get better. Baltimore will be shit. They lost virtually all the key parts. They\'re lucky they have Cincy in their division so they don\'t have to finish last.
AFC SOUTH: Tennesse - This team had a building year last year, with it\'s ups and downs. But they seem to be good overall this year. Indy with the acquisition of Dungy may prove to be contenders, but I see them more in the wild card spot, losing yet another first round playoff game. Manning is powerful, but like Miami, heavely overated every year. Houston being an expansion team will take a few years to build, but might have some memorable first season games. Jacksonville... they threw in the towel before the expansion draft.
The Colts, like the Dolphins, could have quite possibly picked up the missing link. Dungy will help out their bad defense, and they certainly have the weapons on offense. Tennessee has a solid defense, and a shaky offense. So if anything, it\'ll probably be the Titans losing in the 1st round.
AFC WEST: San Diego - A lot of people seem to like Oakland, I like SD, and I\'ll tell you why. They were 4-1 beginning last year until bad coaching got the worst of them. This year new coaching, improved offense and lighter schedual will push San Diego to the top. SD and Oakland will both contend for number one. Oakland is gonna be a play-off team but for how long, Gannon is getting old, he can\'t take hits like he used to. Rice is getting old, Oakland is an old team, maybe not bad, but that\'s bad for the future. Maybe they are too old. I don\'t expect anything out of KC or Denver.
San Diego\'s first 3 wins came against Washington, Dallas, and Cincy. 3 bad teams last year. And KC doing nothing? Look what Jamas said up there. Go Chiefs.
NFC EAST: Washington - This is my immediate disagrement with the first post. Spurrier, one of the greatest college coaches knows what it takes to win. I said the second Spurrier was added Washington will be a good team, the players have been improved, O and D IMPROVED. Were looking at astronomical numbers here. Philly will indeed be the thorn in washington\'s side but only to a degree. NY, hate to say it, but the are between a rock and a hard place, harder teams, no more fifth place scheduals, were looking at another sad season.
Phily almost beats the Rams in the NFC Championship game, makes virtually no changes, McNabb should only get better, and you have them at a thorn in the Redskins side. Explain, please.
This years Superbowl "New England vs. Washington"
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Cards v. Bills - Cards. Bills have NOTHING going for them... Maybe Bledsoe at the QB spot but thats it. The Cards at least have a top reciever and a decent pass rush.
Seahawks v. Jets - Jets, barely. Dilfer is on the same level as Testaverde. And Martin and Alexander are at the same level as well. Jets have the edge with defense.
Niners v. Patriots - Well if we aren\'t going by last year, than by far the Niners. Garcia beats out Brady. Owens beats out Brown. Niners have a better ground game with Barlow and Hearst.
Rams v. Dolphins - ...No comment....
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Derrick Alexander also did nothing last year. Their reciever have gotten better, when you consider the season Alexander had. The team also came together at the end of the year, and finished strong. - Shockwaves
He had Hamstring problems the entire year. You can\'t really do much with bad hamstrings. Injuries or not, Vermiel was goona release him at the end of the year, simply because he\'s not "The type of reciever" that Vermiel wants.
Washington vs. New England in the SB...is that a joke?
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Rams vs. Dolphins = one hell of a game.
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Originally posted by Fayded
Miami DESERVES to be the heavy favorite. They picked up the missing link. NE had a break out season. The harder schedule, and with the teams out to get them, they\'ll probably finish around 9-7
Picking up the missing link means you have the talent to win it all. The Pats have shown that they have the talent, and ability to win it all. Hell, they did win it all. They deserve to be the favorites. They are the champs, and if anything, they got better.
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
Cards v. Bills - Cards. Bills have NOTHING going for them... Maybe Bledsoe at the QB spot but thats it. The Cards at least have a top reciever and a decent pass rush.
Seahawks v. Jets - Jets, barely. Dilfer is on the same level as Testaverde. And Martin and Alexander are at the same level as well. Jets have the edge with defense.
Niners v. Patriots - Well if we aren\'t going by last year, than by far the Niners. Garcia beats out Brady. Owens beats out Brown. Niners have a better ground game with Barlow and Hearst.
Rams v. Dolphins - ...No comment....
Bills vs Cards- Bills. The Cards have Plummer. With Plummer, they will get no where. The Bills have a better D, simply because the Cards D is pure shit. They also have a better QB, and good WRs in Price and Moulds.
Jets v. Seahawks- Jets, by a lot. They are better at QB, RB, and defense. They have a better O line. No contest.
Pats v. Niners- Pats. They are the defending champs, and they got better, not worse. They kill the Niners on D, and I\'d take Smith over Hearst.
Dolphins v. Rams- Rams. I don\'t know who has more talent than the Rams, but the Dolphins are damn good too.
And overall, comparing team by team really makes no sense.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Picking up the missing link means you have the talent to win it all. The Pats have shown that they have the talent, and ability to win it all. Hell, they did win it all. They deserve to be the favorites. They are the champs, and if anything, they got better.
Next season will be a test for the Pats. They have a 1st place schedule and teams will be out to get them because they are the defending Super Bowl champs. Who knows, they might prove me wrong and finish 1st in the division.
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How did I post that twice...ignore this.
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Bills have a HORRIBLE defense. Buffalo allowed 420 points last season. Arizona 100 points less. And with Drew Bledsoe no one gets anywhere either! He sure wasn\'t a factore in the Patriots success. And I\'d chose Boston and Jenkins way over Moulds and Price.
Come on, Vinny is just as good as Trent, if not worse. At least Dilfer has a superbowl ring. And I Shaun Alexander is not only better than Martin, he\'s faster, and more agile. Jets only got my nod because of their defense.
Pats had the same year the Ravens had when they won it, they don\'t have the ingredients to repeat. Smith over Hearst, perhaps, but not Smith over Hearst and Barlow.
And in regards of comparing team to team, I\'m just trying any way to prove to you that the NFC West is a better division.
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The Bills also played good AFC East offenses while the Cards got 2 games a piece against the Giants, Cowboys, and Redskins. The Bills best defensive player also missed the season.
The Jets do have a good D, you\'re right, but Martin is one of the very best in the league. Alexander will have a tougher time this year. Martin is proven. Year after year, he keeps going. He was the 2nd leading rusher last year, and the core of that offense. Besides, the Jets were a playoff team. The Seahawks weren\'t close. Vinny also can be better than Trent. Sure Trent has a ring, but the defense and RB on that team had something to do with that. Vinny is a former pro bowler.
Yes, Smith over Hearst and Barlow. And the Pats may not repeat, but the Niners aren\'t winning it either. The Niners got to the playoffs and were outplayed by the Packers. The Pats got a first round bye, then beat a good Raiders team, a good Stealers team, and a great Rams team.
Team by team really doesn\'t work though.
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Seattle wasn\'t close? I think I remember them finishing 9-7, one game out of the Wild Card.
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It doesn\'t....
Wanna Fanta?
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Originally posted by Fayded
Seattle wasn\'t close? I think I remember them finishing 9-7, one game out of the Wild Card.
Yeah, but they would have had to beat the Jets out to get in. Thus, they weren\'t close :)
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Curtis Martin is one of the best backs in the game. Shaun Alexander had a breakout year last year, and sure, he\'s good, but he\'s not better than Curtis Martin. Vinne Testaverde is a better quarterback than Trent Dilfer STATWISE. They both win games, and Trent Dilfer did have that one Raven defense behind him...I heard they were pretty good (gotta love being mellowdramatic).
Boston and Jenkins over Moulds and price? Well, I\'m sorry, but Rob Johnson couldn\'t even get the ball to his boys, while Plummer could at least throw. Moulds was one of the best WR\'s in the game before Flutie left, he was nothing with Johnson. Bledsoe can get him the ball, and I expect for him to return back to form in a big way.
As for Shockwaves here, you use the talent factor when it\'s useful, you use the "they\'re winners" card when it\'s useful, saying that "it\'s not all about talent" when all you judge the St. Louis over the Niners subject IS Talent. *shrugs*
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It\'s a combinations of talent and chemistry. Why wouldn\'t I use both?
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Because basically you\'re contradicting yourself when you shove off one of the two for one argument, but then bring it back and shove off the other in another argument. You\'re not consistent in your ways, basically :)
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The AFC East is full of contenders. The Pats are defending champs and have gotten better(on paper) during the offseason. The Dolphins have one of the most well-rounded teams in football. The Jets may have some holes on both sides of the ball; but they still have a chance to take the division. The Bills are a darkhorse with the addition of Bledsoe; they have the receiving corp to compliment his cannon. The NFC West has some the Rams and Niners. The AFC East is a better division than the NFC West, hands-down. My breakdown of the two divisions:
AFC East:
- Pats -
World Champions and they have done nothing but improve their team during the off-season. They needed a nice end for those short situations and they got the best end in the draft. They had an excellent defense and they made it that much better with the addition of Victor Green.
- Fins -
Always contenders and they have filled their major gap at running back. They have a strong defense with arguably the best CB pair in the league and a wicked D-Line anchored by Taylor. Offense is decent but nothing to write home about. Could change with "The Dreaded One" in the backfield.
- Jets -
Defense is still strong, offense will continue to sputter. Take out Curtis Martin and that Jets tenacity and you have a good version of the cardinals/seahawks.
- Bills -
Bad team + Bledsoe = Less Bad team
NFC West:
- St. Louis -
Best offense in football; but as NE demonstrated, they can be stopped. Look for a lot of teams to try to emulate NE\'s schemes against STL. Look for STL to still embarass people.
- San Francisco -
The same formula that we\'ve seen over and over again. Above Average QB + Above Average WR + Above Average RB + Above Average Defense = Above Average team.
- Seattle -
Really all they have going for them is their Running back and some good Defensive players.
- Arizona -
Plummer + Boston = Touchdown
Rest of the team = trash
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Originally posted by Gohan
- Arizona -
Plummer + Boston = Touchdown
Rest of the team = trash
:laughing:
I dunno why, but I found that funny. Probably because I live in AZ.
The Cards might not be that bad if they actually had an O-Line. Plummer rarely gets time in the pocket, and that\'s when he makes bad decisions and throws an INT. But when he gets the time he\'s a decent QB.
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One of my all time favorite quotes from ESPN the Magazine:
"Remember when we had Jake Plummer on our cover? We\'re sorry about that" :)
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Gohan-
Always contenders and they have filled their major gap at running back. They have a strong defense with arguably the best CB pair in the league and a wicked D-Line anchored by Taylor. Offense is decent but nothing to write home about. Could change with "The Dreaded One" in the backfield.
Whoa..whoa...whoa... Their defense is good, not great. Taylor had one big year, but last year was a no show. And wasn\'t the secondary banged up last season?
Really all they have going for them is their Running back and some good Defensive players.
And Trent Dilfer... and Mike Holmgren... And just as much tenacity as the Jets.
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Curtis Martin is one of the best backs in the game. Shaun Alexander had a breakout year last year, and sure, he\'s good, but he\'s not better than Curtis Martin.
I say after this season Shaun Alexander will prove you wrong.
Vinne Testaverde is a better quarterback than Trent Dilfer STATWISE
They are equally skilled if you ask me... I\'ve seen both of them play and they have similiar styles. Although I give the edge to Dilfer for him leading the Ravens offense into the Superbowl.
Boston and Jenkins over Moulds and price? Well, I\'m sorry, but Rob Johnson couldn\'t even get the ball to his boys, while Plummer could at least throw. Moulds was one of the best WR\'s in the game before Flutie left, he was nothing with Johnson. Bledsoe can get him the ball, and I expect for him to return back to form in a big way.
I understand Moulds used to be good, but I\'m looking at the present here. Plummer like to go deep to Boston and we have yet to see what Bledsoe will do in Buffalo.
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
Whoa..whoa...whoa... Their defense is good, not great. Taylor had one big year, but last year was a no show. And wasn\'t the secondary banged up last season?
I\'d say great. They had problems, like a banged up secondary last year. Despite that, they still had the 3rd ranked defense in the AFC.
Originally posted by Vapor Snake
And Trent Dilfer... and Mike Holmgren... And just as much tenacity as the Jets.
Trent Dilfer did nothing before that one year in Baltimore, and then he actually did little. He just had to stay out of the way. Lewis and the Defense ran the show. Holmgren has not done much since he got to Seattle. He was the coach, afterall, that was sure that Hassleback would pan out :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Vapor Snake
I say after this season Shaun Alexander will prove you wrong.
He would have to have one hell of a year to beat Martin. Martin was the 2nd ranked rusher, and one of the very best players in the AFC last year. Alexander is good, but he needs to prove himself more. Martin was a pro bowler last year. Hell, he\'s one almost every year.
Originally posted by Vapor Snake
They are equally skilled if you ask me... I\'ve seen both of them play and they have similiar styles. Although I give the edge to Dilfer for him leading the Ravens offense into the Superbowl.
They aren\'t close to equally skilled. Vinny is a multi time pro bowler. He has a better arm, by far, and can make things happen. Trent can\'t. He didn\'t lead them to the super bowl. He tagged along.
Originally posted by Vapor Snake
I understand Moulds used to be good, but I\'m looking at the present here. Plummer like to go deep to Boston and we have yet to see what Bledsoe will do in Buffalo.
Moulds didn\'t used to be good, Moulds IS good. He just had a quarterback last year who really could not use him. He could be a pro bowler again with Bledsoe on the team. And Price is a solid 2nd WR. Much better than what the Cards have.
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Peerless Price had 3 good games that I recall.
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He did total about 900 yards receiving, and had 7 TDs. He also had 16.3 yards per catch. Not bad stats. He did have 3 huge games, but had some other solid games too.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
One of my all time favorite quotes from ESPN the Magazine:
"Remember when we had Jake Plummer on our cover? We\'re sorry about that" :)
Jake Plummer can be a decent QB if there was a decent O-Line in front of him. He just makes bad decisions under pressure.
Jake Plummer 0wned your ass when he was at ASU.
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Originally posted by Fayded
Jake Plummer can be a decent QB if there was a decent O-Line in front of him. He just makes bad decisions under pressure.
Jake Plummer 0wned your ass when he was at ASU.
I\'m sure Tony will enjoy this...the Classic Fayded vs. Shockwaves feud. 1996 Sugar Bowl, #2 Arizona State vs. #5 Ohio State. Arizona State takes the lead with about 3 minutes left on a Jake Plummer QB sneak into the end zone, and he was pumped. Ohio State, With Joey Germaine, goes right down the field, and scores the Game Winning touchdown with about 45 seconds left in the game, killing the huge chance that Arizona State had at the National Title. #1 Florida State lost to #3 Florida in the Sugar Bowl, and Florida ran away with the National Title. The reason Florida got to #3 in the polls and ended up in the sugar bowl? Nebraska lost 37-27 to Texas in the Big XII Title game. Nebraska\'s 1 loss before then? A 19-0 Thumping from Arizona State in Tempe, Frost threw the ball in the end zone on option plays 3 times, going for 3 safeties.
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AFC division winners will be Patriots, Steelers, Titans, and Chargers.(eh, the bolt is back)
Wild cards: Dolphins and Raiders
NFC Division Winners will be Redskins, Saints, Packers, and Rams.
Wild cards: Eagles and 49ers(maybe bears)
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I remember when the Redskins spent all that dough rebuilding their team last year and we\'re called the Million Dollar Men and ended up sucking a nut.
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That was two years ago actually. When they had Brad Johnson at QB still, and got people like Bruce Smith. They did under achieve though.
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Originally posted by "The One" Billy Gunn
Wild cards: Eagles and 49ers(maybe bears)
maybe bears!?
i can see here that most of you (just like all the magazines) arent giving the bears too much respect after last season. some think last season was a fluke, and i dont blame em after how many pitiful years?
but im tellin you all right now, my beloved bears are for real, and WILL beat the packers twice this year.
with chris chandler at qb.
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Screw statistics and all that crap along with it
THIS YEAR:
49ERS all the way!!!
49ERS superbowl champs!!
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
(Teams listed in order from best-worst)
Detroit - The team that everyone rooted against... 0-16 is a good thing to laugh about, but the Lions disappointed and eventually won a couple. This team just sucks. James Stewart sucks... Ty Detmer really sucks... Defense is horrible... the only ray of sunshine is on Mike McMahon who had a few good games, but no one can carry a team as lousy as this one.
r u some kinda demonic idiot who doesnt follow football. Lets see...we revamped the secondary....sped up our linebacking core....and have one of the best DL in the league....we just drafted Joey Harrington, Edwards....where the hell have u been....ty detmer wont see a snap...good lord ur opinions suck.
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
(Teams listed in order from best-worst)
NFC NORTH:
Green Bay - The Packers offense hit a rut with the trio of Antonio Freeman, Bill Schroeder and Corey Bradford, so coach Mike Sherman rolled the dice.
..........yea u know ur stuff.....bill is definatly still on that team...and freeman...yea...aaa best wide out in the world there buddy.....
vapor...u da man but wtf is this
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Bill isn\'t on that team. He\'s actually on your team. He signed with the Lions during the offseason.
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i was being sarcastic
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I\'m a NY giants fan so i\'m hoping they make it at least to the playoffs. However my money is on the dolphins for the AFC and possibly the giants for the NFC. Dolphins are going to be badass next year, they are getting Whats his nuts.......the saints running back, and their QB is maturing into one badass mofo. Hopefully the giants make it :-/ i dont know though since they lost armstead...that was seriously a bad move for them
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Originally posted by Kaze Migami
I\'m a NY giants fan so i\'m hoping they make it at least to the playoffs. However my money is on the dolphins for the AFC and possibly the giants for the NFC. Dolphins are going to be badass next year, they are getting Whats his nuts.......the saints running back, and their QB is maturing into one badass mofo. Hopefully the giants make it :-/ i dont know though since they lost armstead...that was seriously a bad move for them
Same here man, I\'m a long time Giants fan myself. I seriously doubt they even make the playoffs though. They are worse than last year, losing Armstead among others really hurts the D, but they had no choice. They needed to get under the cap. Shockey should help the offense right away, but the line is weak, and Collins just isn\'t a big game QB (with the exception of one game). They need a better QB, they need to improve their O line, and they need help in their secondary. Hopefully Allen and Peterson can mature more and turn into better corners, but otherwise, the Giants aren\'t looking great. Oh well, I think Collins is a free agent after this year. Maybe they can sign someone a little better to take his place. I wouldn\'t count on it though :(
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Bill isn\'t on that team. He\'s actually on your team. He signed with the Lions during the offseason.
And Schroder going to the Lions - Immediately killed his Fantasy Value...well...maybe. They still got some good recievrs, but they lost Johnnie Morton (To the Chiefs :D), and they never used Herman Moore, so who knows. Schroeder and Crowell are goona have to find a way to get the job done.
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Or, more accurately, Schroeder, Crowell, and Hakim are going to have to find a way to get the job done.
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r u some kinda demonic idiot who doesnt follow football. Lets see...we revamped the secondary....sped up our linebacking core....and have one of the best DL in the league....we just drafted Joey Harrington, Edwards....where the hell have u been....ty detmer wont see a snap...good lord ur opinions suck.
Yeah, I suck. What kind of a moron says the Lion sucks? I must be a true blue dumbass.
..........yea u know ur stuff.....bill is definatly still on that team...and freeman...yea...aaa best wide out in the world there buddy.....
vapor...u da man but wtf is this
Dude, come on, READ IT. READ IT:
Green Bay - The Packers offense hit a rut with the trio of Antonio Freeman, Bill Schroeder and Corey Bradford, [size=10]so coach Mike Sherman rolled the dice.
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It says that Mike Sherman decided to make some changes.. so, um, uh huh....
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Square just got ahead of himself.
And Hakim - not that great.
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He sure as hell is worth mentioning though. He\'s good, if not great.
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Great enough to cough up the ball in 2001 NFC Wild Card Game agianst NO that eventually cost them the game.
God, he kicks ass :D
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hakim has speed baby....and speed kills....
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And you can\'t use that speed if you can\'t keep the ball in your hands :)
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Maybe detroits new setting will keep the mutha of a ball in his hands.
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You can\'t use that speed if you have no one to get the ball in his hands.
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.....i wanna smack ya silly...!
Mike McMahon is a raising star as far as i am concerned and how about Joey Harrington.....vap wut up
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*sigh*
Getting all worked up. We have a debate then someone says your teams sucks and you get all butt hurt.
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? i what....sorry...i get intense when it comes to football.....
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Originally posted by square_marker
.....i wanna smack ya silly...!
Mike McMahon is a raising star as far as i am concerned and how about Joey Harrington.....vap wut up
McMahon had a few good games when the Lions had nothing to lose anyways, hell any QB can play well when there isn\'t any pressure at all. And you can\'t depend on a rookie to do much, especially one that enters an environment such as Detroit (ala Tim Couch)
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My prediction: Detroit - 5-11, 6-10
Yes, good enough. And I doubt McMahon will be a star. He might be a decent QB someday, but a star is pushing it.
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I\'ll call it a good year for Detroit if they win at least 4.
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Nah, last year they lost alot of close games. They might pull some of those out this year.
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Hey, it wasn\'t the Lions offense that was so incredibly horrible last year, it was their defense. If that shows up this year, they\'re a decent team.
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Hmm... interesting... lets look at Detroits schedule:
@ Miami : Williams debut, Williams runs easily 100+ yards. Lions lose. (0-1)
@ Carolina : We\'ll see maybe 7 turnovers. Lions will win. Lions fans will be screaming, "Playoffs!". (1-1)
Green Bay: The Lions have their first game home, against the Packers. Lions may keep it close in the first quarter, and then Favre will turn the heat on. Lions lose. (1-2)
New Orleans : Lions seem to struggle against recieving RB\'s, so McCallister will tear them up. Lions lose. (1-3)
@ Minnesota : Lions beat the Viks last year, however the Viks have made many more significant changes than the Lions have. Viks unleash payback. Lions lose. (1-4)
Chicago : Bears defense will pummel the Lions. James Stewarts rushing yards will be in the single digits. Lions lose. (1-5)
@ Buffalo : Lions seem to have their hot streak on the road, however still a little shaken up and sore from that Bears game. Lions lose. (1-6)
Dallas : Hmm... Thanksgiving teams... ZZZzzzz... Lions win. Lions fans still hinting towards the playoffs. (2-6)
@ Green Bay : No hope. Mmm... Cheese. Lions lose. (2-7)
New York Jets : Lions realize playoffs aren\'t a possibility once again, have nothing to lose. Lions win. (3-7)
@ Chicago : Go into the game extremely intimidated, get thrashed. Look for a concussion on whoever the Lions QB may be at the time. Lions lose miserably. (3-8)
New England : Lions pull of a huge upset and Lions fans will only boast about beating the former Superbowl Champs for months to come. Lions win. (4-8)
@ Arizona : Cardinals are fighting for a playoff spot, not gonna be stopped by the Lions. Lions lose. (4-9)
Tampa Bay : Bucs, like the Cards fighting for playoffs, not gonna be stopped by the Lions. Lions lose. (4-10)
@ Atlanta : Two teams who have nothing to play for. Falcons win, only because they have prettier jersies. Lions lose. (4-11)
Minnesota : Viks have clinched a playoff spot, and send in their 2nd string offense to play. Lions still lose. (4-12)
;)
Really, I can\'t predict game by game, too early. But a brief glimpse at this schedule will display alot of tough games. I\'m setting the Lions, Panthers, and Bills as the worst teams in the NFL this upcoming season.
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You have them beating both the Jets and the Pats? Not gonna happen. Not a chance. I could see them beat a few other teams on that schedule though. The Falcons, the Cards, perhaps the Vikes again.
And I think the Lions have made more significant changes than the Vikes. I don\'t think they beat the cowboys either, who are developing into a really good defensive team. Anyone who knows my view on football knows that I firmly believe that defense wins ballgames.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Hey, it wasn\'t the Lions offense that was so incredibly horrible last year, it was their defense. If that shows up this year, they\'re a decent team.
Oh.. they\'re offense was baaaaaaaaaaaaaad. Charlie Batch was awful with a QB rating of 76.8 (McMahon\'s even lower) and a TD-INT ratio of 1:1. James Stewart did average 4.8 yards per carry, however he only reached the endzone once.
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
Oh.. they\'re offense was baaaaaaaaaaaaaad. Charlie Batch was awful with a QB rating of 76.8 (McMahon\'s even lower) and a TD-INT ratio of 1:1. James Stewart did average 4.8 yards per carry, however he only reached the endzone once.
They had the 8th ranked offense of the 16 NFC teams, ranking ahead of the Eagles, Bears, and Bucs, which are all very solid teams. Their defense ranked 12th, only better than the Panthers, Vikings, Cards, and Falcons.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
You have them beating both the Jets and the Pats? Not gonna happen. Not a chance. I could see them beat a few other teams on that schedule though. The Falcons, the Cards, perhaps the Vikes again.
And I think the Lions have made more significant changes than the Vikes. I don\'t think they beat the cowboys either, who are developing into a really good defensive team. Anyone who knows my view on football knows that I firmly believe that defense wins ballgames.
Meh.. don\'t look at it seriously I was really just breezing through it and I wasn\'t even being that serious. And come on, they have to upset some teams. Picks can\'t be too conservative ;) .
And the Viks have made many more significant changes than the Lions, nearly all Football mags I have read gave low offseason scores to the Lions.
Here\'s what the Viks did this offseason that experts will believe take them from a losing team, to the playoffs:
The Vikings didn\'t take a back seat to anybody in terms of turning over their personnel this offseason. Observers will barely recognize their defense this fall, which could feature as many as seven or eight new starters—and that\'s not really a bad thing considering how awful they had become. There have been a number of key changes to the purple offense as well. The Vikes dismissed future Hall of Fame wide receiver Cris Carter, whose whirlwind tour of potential teams to sign with failed to yield a contract worthy of his slowly declining skills. He\'ll be watching games from the HBO television studios this season. In place of Carter, the Vikings brought in Sean Dawkins, D\'Wayne Bates, and finally Derrick Alexander to give Randy Moss some company. The Alexander signing was clearly their most important offseason move. If he\'s able to put last year\'s problems behind him and recapture the game-breaking performances that enabled him to post 10 touchdowns and nearly 1,400 yards two years ago, there\'s no telling what kind of seasons Moss and Daunte Culpepper might produce. Running back Moe Williams came back to the Vikings after his stint in Baltimore; he\'ll duel with Doug Chapman to back up Michael Bennett. Fresh off his first Pro Bowl, tight end Byron Chamberlain tested the free agency waters but wound up re-signing with Minnesota. He\'ll be joined by tight end Hunter Goodwin, who was brought in as much as anything to help out the Vikings\' sometimes-suspect blocking. To that end, the Vikings also used their seventh overall selection in this year\'s draft on giant offensive lineman Bryant "Mount" McKinnie and declared him the starter at left tackle. Finally, in a move that didn\'t generate as much attention as it may have warranted, the Vikes waved goodbye to the leading scorer in NFL history, Gary Anderson, and brought in veteran Doug Brien to handle the kicking.
Compare that to only this:
Moves: After finishing 2-14 last season, the Lions needed to shake things up. Detroit added supersonic speed to the perimeter—signing wide receivers Az-zahir Hakim and Bill Schroeder—and potential at quarterback by drafting Oregon standout Joey Harrington. While all three of these players should add some spice to the Lions\' offense, we certainly don\'t expect them to have a major impact. Like three grains of salt in a 100-gallon stew, the Lions have too many other problems for this trio of talent to taste fantasy success. It also doesn\'t help that Detroit lost their most productive receivers—wideout Johnnie Morton and tight end David Sloan—to free agency.
The Vikings are ranked number 4 in best offseason by Fanball, and the Lions aren\'t even mentioned.
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Fanball looks at things from a fantasy perspective. Fantasy success and value is very different from team success and value. Besides, the Lions changed at some of the more important positions completely, such as QB and WR. Since they already have a good RB, that could be a very good thing.
And I just found it interesting, after our arguement earlier, that you had the two biggest upsets of the Lion\'s season coming against AFC East teams ;)
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Originally posted by shockwaves
They had the 8th ranked offense of the 16 NFC teams, ranking ahead of the Eagles, Bears, and Bucs, which are all very solid teams. Their defense ranked 12th, only better than the Panthers, Vikings, Cards, and Falcons.
Well when you have nothing significant to play for you can take more chances to get the extra 10 yards, etc (Since total offense is ranked by average offensive yards per game). Other than teams that have alot on the line and are forced to play conservatively.
Lions are ranked 16th in the NFL, and proving my theory even more is that the Bills, Falcons and Ravens are in the top 15. And we all know that the Eagles and Patriots had better offenses than they did theoretically.
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That\'s because the Eagles and Pats got offense from their defense. Same with the Bears. The Lions didn\'t.
The Lions also did have games where they scored 26, 24, 27, 38, and 27...all before December.
Then again, why are we arguing about the Lions? Let\'s argue about a better team. Like the Giants :)
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Fanball looks at things from a fantasy perspective. Fantasy success and value is very different from team success and value. Besides, the Lions changed at some of the more important positions completely, such as QB and WR. Since they already have a good RB, that could be a very good thing.
And I just found it interesting, after our arguement earlier, that you had the two biggest upsets of the Lion\'s season coming against AFC East teams ;)
The fantasy perspective empathizes big names and big players that put up big stats though right? And wouldn\'t those big players be significant for a team\'s success and value?
Lions changes:
QB- Lose Charlie Batch (+) . Depend on inexperience with McMahon (Who barely threw 50% completions) or Harrington (-).
WR - Lose Johnnie Morton and David Sloan (TE), for secondary recievers and third recievers in Hakim and Shroeder (-).
RB - James Stewart is an average RB (/).
They made no enhancement really at QB, downgraded at WR/TE, and remain neutral with the RB.
Harrington is a great pickup for the future, he won\'t be doing much this year. Lions will play it safe by most likely starting McMahon the first few games and things will unfold from there.
And shockwaves that AFC East thing is purely coincidental cuz\' that wasn\'t even in mind. That game by game analysis was just a joke really.
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Yeah, I thought the AFC East thing was just coincidental. Just pointing it out though.
I really think Hakim and Shroeder are an upgrade. Plus Crowell wasn\'t healthy last year, and he\'ll be back this year. That means they\'ll be better at WR, if you ask me. Harrington was the #1 QB in the draft in my opinion, even above Carr. Sure he\'ll struggle as a rookie, but he can definitely be a dangerous player. He also has shown time and time again that when under pressure, he can step up, and deliver for his team.
As for fantasy values, I don\'t think they are the same as the value for the team. For example, fanball rates Michael Bennett above Antowain Smith, Jerome Bettis, and others at RB. Would you say that he is more valuable to his team than Bettis or Smith though?
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Fanballs cheet sheet is horrible even in the Fantasy world. I disagree with it in 100 places.
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All cheat sheets are horrible. Everyone I looked at ranked James above Faulk last year. I had the #1 pick in a league, I took Faulk. And I\'m damn glad I did. They overrate players left and right, and are all about picking players high who have a good "upside". That\'s why rookies always seem to be above proven vets. It\'s horrible.
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Fanballs\' cheat sheets in particular are horrible. I would post the cheat sheet I\'m gonna use for our draft, but, I\'m not that stupid.
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I made my own cheat sheet last year, and I already have again this year. Fun stuff :)
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Funny, I was making one up over at Geocities but I\'m just too lazy. I may later. They are indeed fun to make.
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
The fantasy perspective empathizes big names and big players that put up big stats though right? And wouldn\'t those big players be significant for a team\'s success and value?
Lions changes:
WR - Lose Johnnie Morton and David Sloan (TE), for secondary recievers and third recievers in Hakim and Shroeder (-).
RB - James Stewart is an average RB (/).
They made no enhancement really at QB, downgraded at WR/TE, and remain neutral with the RB.
you dont follow football or the players who play it do you
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No dude, your just being a bit biased. Come on, one of my best friends is a Lions fan and he says that he\'d be happy to see them win 6 games.
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ahoy-hoy
[In an axious voice] How bout them Patriots????
(Red Sox will fight back to first base no doubt in the 2k2)
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Go Yankees :p
And go Jets too :p
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Go Yankees :p
And go Jets too :p
YANKEES SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
JETS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/me explodes with hate.
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Originally posted by Gohan
YANKEES SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
JETS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/me explodes with hate.
ahmen to that! PATS AND SOX ALL THE WAY IN DA 2K2!!!!!
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Um... go Knicks, go Rangers?
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:laughing:!
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go....damnmit....lions....damnmit tigers.....eh pistons....woo!!! wings
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Originally posted by square_marker
r u some kinda demonic idiot who doesnt follow football. Lets see...we revamped the secondary....sped up our linebacking core....and have one of the best DL in the league....we just drafted Joey Harrington, Edwards....where the hell have u been....ty detmer wont see a snap...good lord ur opinions suck.
Perhaps you should look into an English class at your local learning annex. Or maybe I\'m wrong, and in fact you are extremely literate and are experimenting with an avant-garde grammar system a la James Joyce, in which case I applaud you sir.
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hahaha :D
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fantasy ratings don\'t neccecarily mean that much when it comes to wins and losses. Look at the past SuperBowl champs, NE Pat\'s. There wasn\'t a player on their team that would have been picked in the first, or second round of the fantasy drafts.
like George Allen said "48 men playing together, can\'t be beat"
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Originally posted by theomen
fantasy ratings don\'t neccecarily mean that much when it comes to wins and losses. Look at the past SuperBowl champs, NE Pat\'s. There wasn\'t a player on their team that would have been picked in the first, or second round of the fantasy drafts.
like George Allen said "48 men playing together, can\'t be beat"
Ah, very true. In Racer\'s case it was only 3 men.
How did this thread die? This thread is great.
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i duno.....i stopped posting after someone said i was stupid
btw...david carr looked really good on monday....very crisp passes.
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So who\'s gonna watch the Jets and Steelers tomorrow?
*tumbleweed*
*crickets*
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hey...the steelers are a good team...and well jets..yea i like them...but who wouldnt want to see the steelers pound them into the ground???
I duno much about those 2 teams though...are there any rookies to look out for???
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No.
BTW, the score will be 3-2.
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in that case....screw em
it is preseason ne way....besides madden being on mondaynight what reason did ne of us have to watch that game. Perhaps Jeremey Shockey or to see how teams will match up..
Preseason is an exciting time...you get to see many of the up and coming stars.
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I\'ll watch the Jets and Steelers for sure!
Oh, and as good as Carr looked...Shockey looked better :)
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I\'ll watch it, but only to scout Bettis, and a few others....then after the first couple of series, when all the starters are pulled, the game will promptly turned off.
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I have to say that a lot of people are going to sleep on the RedSkins!
They have 3 of the ProBowl Calibur CB\'s in the league, Bailey, Smoot, and Green.
They have 3 Probowl linebackers.
This defense was good last year, it has IMPROVED.
The offense couldn\'t get any worse than last year, and last weeks preaseaon game showed some hope!
Banks is gone, stop talking about him.
The RedSkins will atleast be fun to watch.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Oh, and as good as Carr looked...Shockey looked better :)
definatly....i think that stiff arm will go down as one of the best ever dished out. I love seeing that one everytime...expecially since he is a rookie and took someone to school.
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I agree that the Skins will be pretty formidable this year. Their D will be among the top in the league, the only week spot they have on defense is an aging green, and semi-week d-line. Both of which if exposed, could spell disaster, if playing against a qb who could pick them apart if given time (Garcia, Warner, Manning)
Offense is a toss up. No one knows if the fun and gun can translate into the pro game. One thing is for sure, if Spurrier does well with the fun and gun, every defensive coordinator will lock onto it and do everything they can to disect it. So Spurrier will have a year at most until he has to re-tool the offense.
Also, they may have problems controlling the ball. Since they will be relying on the pass heavily, it could lead to many 3 and outs. Some would argue with me that with Davis in the back field this won\'t happen. But knowing Spurrier, the second Davis starts to get stuffed, Spurrier will abandone the running game. This will mean that the D will spend alot more time on the field and Bruce Smith, Darell Green, Jessie Armsted and Dan Wilkinson won\'t be happy if they\'re out there for 40+ minutes a game.
Eve though a team with a solid defense, and and offense that can control the ball, will give Spurriers Redskins fits, I think they could be a surprise wild card team.
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Oooh... I can\'t wait till\' week 3. Mooch even said he was bothered by what Spurrier did and said, "Wait till\' Week 3".
(Smiles)
(Eats an orange)
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oh week 3 will be sweet, especially seeing the fun and gun trying to run against the niner D. Ahmed Plummer will tear them up! And Zack Bronson will probably put at least one wideout out of the game thanks to a shitty QB leading them blindly into the middle of the field.
(smiles)
(scratches package)
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I may be semi alone here, but I think the fun and gun will work at the NFL level. I think the offense will be fine, and the defense will be great. I don\'t think the D will be out there for 40 minutes a game at all. I also think this is a playoff team.
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We\'ll find out week 3.
And that Jets game blew. Ugh, what was the final score, I turned it off after the coin toss.
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I thought it was ok at the start, with the starters in. Preseason blows generally though. The only game truely worth watching is the Jets Giants one, IMO, because with the city rivalry, the starters are usually left in a lot longer.
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I wanna see:
Rams v. Bears - Aug 16
Eagles v. Patriots - Aug 17
Niners v. Denver - Aug 19
Browns v. Packers - Aug 26
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Darell Green aging? Darell Green has been supposedly "aging" since he was 35+ And every season since his rookie year he has been a TOP receiver. Green at 40+ years old is still one of the fastest CB\'s in the NFL. It wasn\'t 2 years ago he was still the fastest man on the Skins team. Green may no longer be the fastest but he can cover 95% of the recievers out there. That says a lot for a 40 sumthin year old man who is short for a CB that has lasted for this long!
How can anyone bad talk Green?
I think the Fun&Gun takes away from the RedSkins usual predictable offense. Even if the F&G works half of the time teams will be weary of it, they can\'t protect against the run and the pass at once. The RedSkins can finally attack in the pass which they have been lacking the pass few seasons. They went 8-8 with NO PASSING GAME last season, they have only improved this season...hopefully:facelick:
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
I wanna see:
Rams v. Bears - Aug 16
Eagles v. Patriots - Aug 17
Niners v. Denver - Aug 19
Browns v. Packers - Aug 26
Those are all good games...if the starters play much. When the starters are only in for a series of two though, it gets bad quickly.
And yes Beerstud, I think the Skins have only improved this year.