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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: CS2x on August 03, 2002, 04:23:13 PM
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Some of you may think I\'m a Nintendo/Sega fanboy, but that isn\'t true. I may have a soft spot for both of them, since they were around during gaming\'s golden period (SNES/Megadrive), but I most certainly don\'t hate Microsoft or Sony....the PS2 has some wonderful games, many from Sony\'s in house studios, and X-Box has Halo, it\'s sequel, and lots of fun PC-style games.
But, what I really can\'t understand, is how certain people on all messageboards, including this one, hate certain consoles, and are manic fans of others....just becuase you don\'t own a console, doesn\'t make it crap, and if you hate a company, at least have a valid reason to really hate them. Sorry to pick out an individual, but Rastalant\'s signature ("terrorizing nintendo fanboys 24/7") is a great example of pure, pathetic, fanboyism...what reason does he have to hate Nintendo "fanboys"? Why does he feel the need to "terrorize" them? It\'s just an example...and then, there\'s the hatred towards the X-Box, which is even more pathetic...mm, I don\'t think you count, since you actually own one and have experience of it (plus, your X-box comments are light-hearted and generally funny;) ) but certain people automatically dissmiss any X-box screenshots...just "coz they r frm da X-box, which sux"....
The truth of the matter, is that ALL THREE NEXT-GEN CONSOLES ARE GREAT. Accept it. All three offer something unique, something great, and something special to offer. If someone pointlessly trahses anther console, I have noticed that they often don\'t even own it, and simply hate it becuase they own the other two consoles out there. What is the point? Try before you dissmiss.
I own a PS2, Dreamcast, and a Gamecube, and I would most certainly like an X-Box if I could afford it...but I\'m not going to start judging an X-Box, becuase..*gasp*...I don\'t have one!
Now, I\'m probably gonna get flamed for this thread, especially by people who haven\'t bothered trying to understand what I have said....but please let\'s get one thing straight: I\'m not racist, and enjoy all consoles equally.;)
Thankyou.
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This reminds me of something that happened to me a couple of days ago. I was on a Nintendo board, and some rabid fan of Nintendo was just tearing on the XBox and no one on the board seemed to object and I chose to give him a taste of his own medecine. The guy actually messaged me over AIM and asked me what the big deal was about him ripping on Sony and MS and I explained to him that it just didn\'t make any sense to rip on some company or some logo, there was just no point.
He admitted to me that he was pissed off about the whole gaming industry as a whole and I explained something to him that I wish more people would understand. If Sony, Microsoft, Sega, or Nintendo wants to go third party, will anyone who is a fan of them really care what console it\'s on so long as the games are fun? Of course, the answer to that is no. Why care what system Gran Turismo, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Zelda, mario, Halo, and Panzer Dragoon are on so long as the games are still as good as you would have ever dreamed? No one would care what logo is on the controller so long as they get their dose of gaming goodness and that\'s really all it comes down to.
Enjoy your games because truthfully, the logo that appears before you play won\'t matter as much as what you are actually playing in the machine. :)
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Yes, but all the posts in the world aren\'t going to change a fanboy\'s mind.
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I\'m sure that any true gamer would love to own each console, but most people can\'t afford to support all next-generation systems. For that reason, many of them feel compelled to justify their purchase by praising the console(s) they own and ignorantly dismissing (or trolling) against the others. It\'s sad that it happens, but some people are just stupid like that.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Yes, but all the posts in the world aren\'t going to change a fanboy\'s mind.
No, that isn\'t ture.:D
Let me tell you: I used to be a mad Sony fanboy, if you remember, when I first joined these forums. But then, one day, I went a bit odd, and bought a second hand Dreamcast for £30. That really opened my eyes, and since I remembered I used to enjoy the SNES and N64, I thought I might as well try the Gamecube, in spite of all the things I thought about it...and, surprisingly enough for me, I really enjoyed maby of it\'s games...
However, I\'m not sure some of the members on this forum (hint::thepimp: ) would be so open minded about other consoles...:)
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would someone gimme a summary of the 1st post in this thread?
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I bought a PS2 to play the exclusives. I would never want to play Gran Turismo on another console, because it would just feel odd. I have learned to like the controller and so many other things about it that I wouldn\'t want to change. Guess the same could be said of the Dreamcast and Sega aswell. Sega went 3rd party and guess what, if I was a Sega fan, I wouldn\'t like the idea of having to get 3 consoles just to get all of their games. I would prefer to just have one console (DC) and be able to play them all. So yes, infact, to me it does matter on which console the games are - in my case, I chose the PS2 for a reason.
/just my 2 cents...
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So the fact that you play GT with a PS2 controller and that you are used to that, would be an odd adjustment on lets say, the Gamecube controller? I can\'t understand that. I just don\'t see what difference it would make so long as the game was as good if not better as it would be on the PS2 and the same for me would go with every other game.
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Originally posted by mm
would someone gimme a summary of the 1st post in this thread?
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Sorry. :D
But it does have some breaks...it\'s hardly un-readable!:)
btw- I agree Ryu...I found it very easy to transfer from the PS2\'s pad to the Gamecube\'s....I don\'t really understand your point, Seven..I for one, wouldn\'t mind playing Mario on a Playstation2, or Grand Turismo on a Gamecube..it would make no difference to me.
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The whole \'I can\'t use controller A - for some odd reason\' is complete bull. Otherwise there would be thousands of people who never upgraded from the SNES, because they couldn\'t adjust to the control pad.
I will agree with Seven on, the fact that I hated when Sega went third party, because that meant I had to buy each console released just to enjoy all the games. It also meant a downgrade in quality of the games , in my opinion. Now that Sega doesn\'t have one platform to focus on their games seem to be lacking something . So, in that sense, it does matter.
Just my thoughts on that.
On another note, one of the beautiful things about owning all the next-gen consoles like I do, is the fact I can bag on one and have a valid reason for it. I bag on the Xbox plenty now\'a\'days, but as people will remember I was one of the few around here that pushed it , before launch. Now that it is out and it is dissapointment after dissapointment, save one game (Munch). I did the same with the PS2 , until some actual great games started to come out for it.
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Bought PS2 so I could play the games I knew was coming out for it (MGS2, FFX, GT3 were the biggest names back then). PS2 has more then enough has lived up to my hopes and gives me more than enough good games to play.
I don’t need a 2nd machine really, but I’m planning on getting a Cube so I can enjoy SMS.
And Im trying to save up for a new PC :)
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I own all 3, I miss out on nothing. Good for me. :D
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All three Hurricane? Really? Last I counted.. there were 4 next gen consoles out. Ok, so one of em isn\'t being sold anymore.. but it\'s still a 128 machine and is still included in this generation\'s hardware.
I would never want to play Gran Turismo on another console, because it would just feel odd. - seven
While I agree that exclusives are a good thing which help flesh out an identity for the console that they\'re on.. I do agree with Ryu moreso. As long as the games are fun.. who cares what system they\'re on? Granted, I wouldn\'t wanna see Metroid on the PS2, Ico on the Xbox, or Halo on the NGC... I would always purchase a game for the company it\'s made for first and foremost. But when push comes to shove.. it\'s the games and only the games which I\'m truely interested in. While it\'s weird seeing Sonic on the GBA.. it\'s still my favorite game for the system.. and having it on Nintnedo hardware dosen\'t detract from my enjoyment of the game at all. (Unless I\'m not playing it under a 12,000 CandlePower spotlight that is. :p )
As for anyone bytching about controllers.. you do realize that they sell adaptors for each next gen console.. so if you really want you CAN use the exact same PS2 controller on all the next gen machines. Unless I absolutely HAVE to use the DC pad (Shenmue.. Seaman.. playin against buddies who don\'t like the DC pad) I always use my DualShock2 on the DC.
Really, it\'s not that big of a deal.
Oh, and BTW: Fanboyism is nothing more than digital penis envy.
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Oh, and BTW: Fanboyism is nothing more than digital penis envy.
That\'s a great way of putting it.:D
I might make that my signature, if you don\'t mind!
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Go for it. :D
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Originally posted by CS2x
I own a PS2, Dreamcast, and a Gamecube, and I would most certainly like an X-Box if I could afford it...but I\'m not going to start judging an X-Box, becuase..*gasp*...I don\'t have one!
It is possible to dislike a system without owning one personally... You could have experience playing them elsewhere then your own home...
I don\'t much care for the X-Box for the games but I understand that other people do. For me personally the only game I have played so far and thought was worth the effort was Morrowind... Fusion Frenzy or whatever was also interesting I suppose when you have 3 or 4 people playing... Thats just me though so while when asked for my opinion I inform someone of how bad I think the X-Box is, I don\'t see myself as being a Fanboy for the PS2 or Gamecube... Just someone who doesn\'t care for the X-Box...
Yeah I know your going to say Halo is another good game in response but I have played Halo from beginning to end and to be honest wished I could shoot myself in the head to end the boredom a few hours into the game [I was at someone elses home and they kept wanting to play though]... I have no idea why people thought this was a good game... There are fewer opponents or weapons then you can count on your fingers... and the architectural design of the levels gets so redundant you feel like you haven\'t moved anywhere 2 hours later... I recommend that anyone who would have problems with shooting thousands and thousands of the same four types of creatures for hours and hours with the same few weapons do not purchase Halo...
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Originally posted by PlagueBearer
It is possible to dislike a system without owning one personally... You could have experience playing them elsewhere then your own home...
I don\'t much care for the X-Box for the games but I understand that other people do. For me personally the only game I have played so far and thought was worth the effort was Morrowind... Fusion Frenzy or whatever was also interesting I suppose when you have 3 or 4 people playing... Thats just me though so while when asked for my opinion I inform someone of how bad I think the X-Box is, I don\'t see myself as being a Fanboy for the PS2 or Gamecube... Just someone who doesn\'t care for the X-Box...
Ok..that\'s fair enough...But what I was saying, is that I\'m tired of people bashing other systems without giving a valid reason, and doing it in the most immature manner.
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So thats why Halo was ranked GOTY. :rolleyes:
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SUBARU RULES!
I hate HONDA Civics! ;)
GO WRX! :D
Wait....wrong forum. :p
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Originally posted by Bozco
So thats why Halo was ranked GOTY. :rolleyes:
Well it was really his opinion, and the points he raised are very valid and are problems I associate with the game.
Although I think I like the game more than him :p
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Yeah I know your going to say Halo is another good game in response but I have played Halo from beginning to end and to be honest wished I could shoot myself in the head to end the boredom a few hours into the game [I was at someone elses home and they kept wanting to play though]... I have no idea why people thought this was a good game... There are fewer opponents or weapons then you can count on your fingers... and the architectural design of the levels gets so redundant you feel like you haven\'t moved anywhere 2 hours later... I recommend that anyone who would have problems with shooting thousands and thousands of the same four types of creatures for hours and hours with the same few weapons do not purchase Halo...
If you really did beat the game from start to finish, you\'d know that there were a lot more enemies then just the basic 4... Also, don\'t forget the fact that a lot of these guys are in vehicles too. I count them as seperate enemies altogether.
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Halo\'s problem is basic. Frame rate and the fact that it reuses enviroments.
Big problem, in my opinion.
As for the actual gameplay, it is pretty good for a FPS.
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Heh, I was wondering when mm would rear his ugly head in a thread that bashes Halo...
And I got bored of Halo quick...
Same enemies over and over and dull weapons...
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;) @ MM.
I bag on Halo quite abit but honestly, the game does have problems. I know some people refuse to admit it has frame rate issues , and I\'m not talkin\' the 30fps vs 60fps issues. I\'m talkin\' the fact that the game can\'t keep a constant 30fps. I can name instances durin\' play time that the game would start to drop frames. Keep in mind, I\'m not talking massive drops, but it is still stuttering and when you pay $300 dollars for a new system and supposely buy the showcase game, you expect more than frame rate issues.
As for the enviroments , it is like the developers wanted to create a FPS longer than usual, so the idea was just to reuse enviroments. The fact is, it is annoying. I found myself enjoying the first part of a mission, but when I had to revisit / or be in the same enviroment again, I was annoyed.
Now onto the good points. As for gameplay, the game is simply fun for a FPS. Keep in mind, I\'m not a FPS fan - the last great FPS in my opinion was Half-life. But for a simple console FPS, the game excels in that area. The enemies are funny to listen to when you are shooting at them. They are also *somewhat* smart.
My point? Halo is a good game. However, it is no GOTY and in my opinion doesn\'t deserve the attenion it got. It seems to me, that a lot of Xbox owners are still waiting for that one showcase game that has gameplay and graphics.
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Indeed...
GOTY was not even released here.
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Just wondering...what do you people think should have gotten GOTY?
and when you pay $300 dollars for a new system and supposely buy the showcase game, you expect more than frame rate issues.
When I play any game on any system framerate issues are inexcusable. Some how though, many of you managed to look past these short comings on PS2 games. If it does get brought up, it isn\'t around for very long, as the finer qualities of the game are brought to attention and glorified. Halo is almost 10 months old and the issue is as alive as it was when the game first released.
Halo is by any standards, a fine game. Perfect? No, but then I ask you to name a perfect game.
this should go somewhere
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Heh, take a guess...
This should be a clue...
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Ashford, I have no idea what that is...
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Then you suck...
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By the way, I was answering your question about GOTY, not to name a perfect game.
Don\'t edit your post next time...
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Halo is simple yet fun. There isn\'t much to it but for a console game the multiplayer is amazing IMO. I could play that game for days.
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i couldnt, well untill the pc version graces me
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L-I-C summed it up :)
The levels are really really fun at the start, but they just drag on too long and I find myself about three quarters of the way through the level wanting it to be over. Probably moreso with the repetitive levelling. This problem in particular has dampened my experience a little :)
But I don\'t agree with complaining about the same enemies over and over. Sure there are only the basic few, but compare that to a game like Medal of Honor where there is only the basic ONE (with different guns tho :)) and its not so bad :)
GOTY 2002.. well my favorite game was Final Fantasy X :)
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I can name instances durin\' play time that the game would start to drop frames. Keep in mind, I\'m not talking massive drops, but it is still stuttering and when you pay $300 dollars for a new system and supposely buy the showcase game, you expect more than frame rate issues.
Come on now. There are games with far worse framerate issues that Halo barely touches. I do admit that there are plenty of instances, I notice them quite often, but it\'s not like it remains that way for the entire level. You have to give credit for what it CAN do without said framerate issues most of the time such as great texturing (albeit repetetive in certain instances), weather effects such as rain and snow, an incredibly draw distance, fogging to add effect and not hide limited draw distance, real time lighting effects, bump mapping, the list just goes on and on and almost all of the time, it\'s a fairly stable 30FPS. Comparisons aside, that\'s an awesome number of effects for a launch game and it looks surprisingly good as well.
As for the whole money thing, I don\'t think that\'s fair. There are plenty of consoles released over the years and millions of games over time and it\'s VERY unfair to bash a game solely because of the hardware. I believe that if the developers were given say, another 6 months, they could have fixed that framerate problem, but that\'s just me. I remember how angry and underwhelmed I was when I played my PS2 and that too was 300 dollars, but I never bashed the console for that. It\'s just an unfair bash.
I found myself enjoying the first part of a mission, but when I had to revisit / or be in the same enviroment again, I was annoyed.
Too true, but they do spice up parts here and there to make it more bearable. I\'d say 70% of the game is fresh for you while the other 30% is really what kills people about it. I suppose that\'s why they have co-op. Everything feels different and much more difficult when you\'re with a friend. :)
Same enemies over and over and dull weapons...
I like how you can use a set of weapons on certain levels and are given new ones at the start of a new level each time. I also like the fact that you can carry only two weapons as well. It adds a dynamic to the game that isn\'t easily matched. I cycle through many weapons while playing and it\'s nice to know that I can go through the game not having just one weapon that can annihilate anything. Besides, I think the needler rocks. :)
As for enemies, there\'s four different types of covenant soldiers, the grunts, jackals, elites, and hunters. The elites have about 4 different types ranging from cloaked, cloaked with plasma swords, gold elites who are MUCH smarter then standard elites, and the standard purple elites who are pretty tough on the harder difficulties. Then of course, there\'s the flood which has another four types with the small tiny crawlers, the exploding ones, the larger attackers who have melee attacks as well as carry weapons, and of course the smaller more human sized flood who can jump through the air. So if you count the different elites, the different covenant troops, the different flood, and then of course the covenant who use vehicles, there\'s almost 16 different types of enemies, each of which has to be approached differently.
There\'s a grat amount of variety that you pick up when you play it on legendary and it\'s hard to describe here, but most people don\'t see it who just blow the game off after going through it on normal. Their loss I guess, but I don\'t think the enemies and the play style should be shrugged off simply because the weapon selection is small (I disagree with that also, but I won\'t bother with it) and because the enemy selection is small, even though I addressed this directly. It\'s funny you knock Halo for limited enemy variety, but just how varied was Shenmue when you went through it for the first time? It\'s your GOTY, so you tell me... ;)
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Originally posted by Ryu
If you really did beat the game from start to finish, you\'d know that there were a lot more enemies then just the basic 4... Also, don\'t forget the fact that a lot of these guys are in vehicles too. I count them as seperate enemies altogether.
I never said there were only four enemies for the entire game... I said that you have to shoot four types of enemies for hours and hours... then you are correct in that those enemies will be replaced with about four more new ones for more hours and hours... [Swarms, Floating Turrets [some good and some bad], Exploding Monsters, and Humanlike Monsters]... I might be forgetting something but I don\'t think so...
For a long time you encounter nothing more then the same four creatures... Oh you might encounter a few from time to time that are in a Vehicle [Once again I think there were about four of them... a Hovertank, Flyer, Jetbike and Turret]... Those were rare though...
The problem I had with the Weapons was that there were so few of them and some of them were even the same damn thing... I mean when you have so few weapons then coming up with something more unique should not be a problem... a Rapid fire weapon that shoots lasers is not much different then a Rapid fire weapon that shoots bullets... not in game terms...
I\'m sorry that this thread had been turned into a Halo bashing thread... That wasn\'t my intention...
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Is Halflife any different? How many different kinds of enemies are in that game? Weapons? And those weapons are different, it\'s not as simple as you say.
The human pistol shoots an accurate bullet, you can zoom. Pretty standard pistol. The Convenant pistol shoots an energy blast that temporarily stuns an enemy, although it does far less damage than the human counterpart, it has its uses and is not simply a repainted human pistol.
Both have their uses. The weapons that exist in the game are all unique--you simply cannot trade one for the other as you do in your post. Also, factor in the vehicles and their weapons and you have many more. You aren\'t considering the entire game.
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I still feel the dynamics of each weapon are different. As I said, I use each one for different reasons and I use each one to explore the weaknesses of my enemies. If you have a plasma hand gun and a needler on Legendary and fighting a hunter, you can do little damage unless you melee him to death, which is an art I can do easily, but is definitely far too difficult for a novice. I\'ll just say that each weapon has pluses and minues and those are only explored depending on which enemies you encounter. I don\'t know, maybe I just play too much of it to notice all these quirks about each little thing. I can see how you can say the plasma gun is the same as a rifle, but honestly, in my opinion, the two are like night and day.
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Shenmue II was obviously game of the year last year. Unfortunately, from the looks of this year, it will be again.
Eric Jacob
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Thats a good one, Altered...
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"I have felt a great disturbance in the force; as if a million
voices suddenly cried out in terror."
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it was just altered realizing that shenmue 2 on the xbox was a sloppy port
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Shenmue II was obviously game of the year last year. Unfortunately, from the looks of this year, it will be again.
Eric Jacob
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I thought this was locked...
it was just altered realizing that shenmue 2 on the xbox was a sloppy port
I guess this proves once and for all that DC is the most powerful console out there...
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I have to first say that no matter how hard I try to deny if I am an PS2 fanboy and for the most part proud of it. I defend the PS2 all the time but I also defend gamecube mainly because like many people I was raised on Nintendo. I can\'t turn my back on it.
It\'s like your first car think of how you loved it so much and you spend so much time with it and it got you where you wanted to go. Sure if was a piece of $h!t but you didn\'t care because it was all you had. Then You get money and get something better so are you dump it off and have run in your new car and curse that piece of crap that you used to have becaue now you have something technically superior that is guaranteed to give you pure satisfaction.
But on sometimes you think back to all the memories you had with your first car and it makes you smile. That\'s what\'s I mean with game consoles. Most of us started out with a basic system like NES/SNES or Genesis and then it was cool. Then playstation came out and divided the crowds and broke up into battles of loyalty.
I\'m only saying that even with the new systems like Xbox, PS2, GC and DC we all love our systems but we should always look back on the originators that gave us so many late nights of fun that made us late for school the next morning. Being a fanboy kills the spirit of gaming by bashing those who don\'t own the same system as yourselfs. Hatred or biased towards a system is just a waste of time.
I admit I am biased against Microsoft even though 60% of my pc has microsoft parts of products. I put down Xbox many times but there are some games that interest me. I like DOA3 and Panzer Dragoon is very tempting. I don\'t like the fact that GC uses mini DVD and I think that mario sunshine commercial is gay but I\'m really interested in Metriod after seeing a few videos and even though I though the N64 was one of the worst systems ever most of my best gaming memories were of multiplayer games of WCW Revenge, Goldeneye and Perfect Dark.
So what I\'m saying is that there are too many great things about games to let the negative issues be a problem. Besides being a bashing systems without good reason is just pointless I\'d own all 4 next gen systems but I just can\'t buy a system for one game cuz it just seems like a waste though a Gamecube is in my future...