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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: Chrono on August 12, 2002, 03:43:04 AM
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11.08.02 - New trade price lists it is to be taken that Microsoft wants to lower allegedly the price of the Xbox in Japan. Therefore the console is to cost only 19,800 Yen (euro 170 / US $ 165) in some weeks. At present the price is with 24.800 Yen (euro 213 / US $ 207). Thus the Xbox would be just as inexpensive as the Gamecube. The Xbox is to be delivered together with a play, its titles is still unknown. Likewise the software prices are to be revised completely. Information for this is not present, but presumably many plays for under 5.000 Yen are to be sold. Microsoft did not acknowledge this message so far.
Will this really help? or hurt their image further?
Aparently they can\'t even give them away.. any product that drops in price more then twice in 6months must not look very promising in the long run.. :rolleyes:
http://www.gf-data.de/gamefront-temp/00166.html
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japanese people aren\'t stupid, they\'ll just be reminded again of the disappointment the xbox (at least in Japan) is.
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I THINK WE\'VE ALL GOTTEN THE POINT BY NOW.
:rolleyes:
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yeah, its no fun anymore to see the xbox failing in japan
poop in a box would sell better
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Originally posted by mm
yeah, its no fun anymore to see the xbox failing in japan
poop in a box would sell better
Yeah its almost like watching a Stand up comedian ay the Edinburgh Fringe festival Dying on his arse in front of a packed crowd.
It’s Funny but sick at the same time
no wait
/me slaps myself
Bug\'er them
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: @ M$
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whats really sickening is that sony could theoretically RAISE the price of the PS2 and still crush in sales
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you know what.. I think i\'m going to quit with my xbox japaneese crusade
Frankly, this price drop is the final straw. Nothing at this point will allow the xbox to suceed in japan.. no point in lauging at it, cause at this point its not funny, but just plain sad.
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cool, lets point and laugh at euro sales now
:)
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How is XBOX doing in US?
Some months ago I ve read that PS2 was selling 15000 consoles more than XBOX and GameCube combined every week
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I wouldnt be surprised if Sony pullls what they did Pre-E3 this year if that does really happen......... It would compensate for the Broad Band Adapter and the Harddrive..........
:hat:ScottyJ:hat:
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XBox is doing well in the US. This much is known. GC is also coming into it\'s own here, and may take over XBox sales (on whole) by the end of the year. PS2 is still the juggernaut, like everywhere.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
XBox is doing well in the US. This much is known. GC is also coming into it\'s own here, and may take over XBox sales (on whole) by the end of the year. PS2 is still the juggernaut, like everywhere.
Eric Jacob
When you say GC sales may overtake Xbox sales, are you referring to US sales only, or world wide sales?
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Worldwise sales of the GCN are probably already more than XBox, if not they will be very very shortly (Mario!).
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MS is getting a hard time selling software and hardware so they have to think of something. The Hardware sales only around 2,400 - 3,000 +- MS should just get out of Japan. Waste time!
:laughing:
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/me blinks in disbelief
this is the 1ST time bad news wasnt spun in a silken web
*applause*
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on the second picture you can see a tide mark left by her sports socks on her left leg.
p.s
Does she come with the X Flops ?
;)
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Originally posted by pstwo
MS is getting a hard time selling software and hardware so they have to think of something. The Hardware sales only around 2,400 - 3,000 +- MS should just get out of Japan. Waste time!
:laughing:
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This effort will help the bikini sales than the XBOX\'s:D.
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on the second picture you can see a tide mark left by her sports socks on her left leg. - ooseven
Yeah, and that\'s not all the "outlines" you can see. It\'d probably be a lot more exciting if she was actually attractive. Come on MS, there\'s much better looking japaneese models out there.. what did you already spend all your money on advertising?? God, you\'re not failing cause the JP don\'t like american console.. you\'re obviously just NOT trying!!!
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Why is that 12 year old girl being posted? ;)
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Originally posted by pstwo
MS is getting a hard time selling software and hardware so they have to think of something. The Hardware sales only around 2,400 - 3,000 +- MS should just get out of Japan. Waste time!
:laughing:
God Almighty! I betcha they\'d sell a lot more if she came with every box. ;)
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Sad very sad........:(
But than again the amount of effort that M$ puts into advertising ans still fails is even sader......:crying:
And the fact that they deny failing to get bad sales in japan and Europe is Sufficating.......:hold:
And than the fact that Bill gates stole windows from apple is killing.......:boom:
Whoops went off the topic there.
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whats that now ?
$30 million on Ad\'s and Bill would of been better of peeing it against a wall.
yup AB and PStwo are Correct....... they should get out of Japan while they still have Some "Form" Of Credability left.
X box = Windows ME in japan :laughing: :laughing:
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They should NOT get out of Japan. That would help MS lose whatever consumer confidence and developer confidence they have left. Japan is actually the territory MS is probably losing the least amount of money on, since they aren\'t selling many systems at all :) Still though, XBox hasn\'t had any big japanese-friendly games out there from any developers worth a crap. Once Panzer Dragoon Orta, Ninja Gaiden, DOABV, Sega GT 2002, and Dino Crisis 3 come out and they STILL cannot break a million units sold, they should definitely pull out of Japan, but for now they haven\'t tried to validify anyone\'s purchase with more games, only more advertising. :(
Eric Jacob
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PDO,SEGA GT,DC3...bah...Japanese wanna play japanese styled RPGs not those crummy games(except PDO).
But that XBOX chick is too good to pass...must buy an XBOX provided they store a full length movie of her in the XBOX hard disk...
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did Panzer Dragoon sell well on the Saturn in Japan?
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goodness man, that was almost a decade ago
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Fine :mad:
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hehe!
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is that a real ad?
pathetic
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I would post my favorite
Xbox
Play With Yourself More
ad, but.. the ad already says that.. its just hidden
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That was hilarious Chrono. No, really, it was.
Eric Jacob
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Sarcasm is so funny. Dont we have a tag for that?
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Originally posted by pstwo
hehe!
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It would have been a lot more effective if she was naked. But seriously, that ad sucks. Shows nothing about the console. But ofcoarse they are "advertising" it because there is an Xbox in it.
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Why does she look like a 14 year old?
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Probably because she is. At least she\'s cuter than that one "official Xbox bikini babe".
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Cause she is a 14 year-old perhaps...People are that age at some point in their life.(just a shot in the dark here)
Anyways, was anyone EVER expecting Xbox to do well in Japan or even not be considered a failure?:rolleyes: Really, is there a reason besides hatred why some people here continually post and attack Xbox sales in Japan? We know its doing horribly there, we know it\'s not going to significantly improve over one week\'s time. Either you want it to fail or you\'re just a troubled little person. It\'s a gaming console, not the devil. I\'m started to see why AlteredBeast is always so angry...
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It\'s a cult. It\'s cool to hate anything Microsoft. Which is fine, we all need hobbies. :)
My only question is why would anyone want to limit their choices when it\'s all about the games.
Ace
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Originally posted by Ace
It\'s a cult. It\'s cool to hate anything Microsoft. Which is fine, we all need hobbies. :)
My only question is why would anyone want to limit their choices when it\'s all about the games.
Ace
It\'s about money and not wanting their money to be wasted.
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There are a few on this board that would deny anything MS.
There really is a cult of MS haters out there. I see it all the time. Not just this board but everywhere, and I think that some of them don\'t even know why they hate MS.
Ace
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I just hate MS because they are trying to take over anything electronic related. What\'s next, MS Toasters :eek:
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Originally posted by Titan
I just hate MS because they are trying to take over anything electronic related.
If you hate MS for this reason, then you would have to hate Sony as well if you don\'t want it to be a double standard.
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Originally posted by D-Day
If you hate MS for this reason, then you would have to hate Sony as well if you don\'t want it to be a double standard.
Sony didnt take over anything.MS is what is trying to do.
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Perhaps you missed it when Sony stated they wanted the PS2 to be the center of home entertainment? Where the PS2 would be for gaming, movies, internet, etc?
Or how about when they blackmailed retailers?
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Sony didnt take over anything.MS is what is trying to do.
Ever since Nintendo made a critical error with the N64, Sony has pratically had a very strong hold on the gaming market and especially third party developers. Buying them out, paying them off, dirty tactics, etc. Sure, with the PSX they didn\'t use any dishonest business tactics but did MS when they started developing computer software?
Right now, Sony is no better than MS.
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Ok perhaps I am wrong.I dont see Sony monopolizing anything though.
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m$ = evil empire
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Bill Gates is the reason for all our computing goodness.
Anyway, how could you not love this face?
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Ace
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He\'d look much better with an exit wound in his forehead.
Still, the Xbox is a competant competetor, and will be home to a lot of gaming goodness... even it if is slow in arriving as of late. I heard GameSpot gave Dead to Rights a 2/5. :( To hate the console because of the man, tho, is a pretty stupid reason. You can recognise the Xbox for what it is and the potential it holds while still maintianing a boycott of it.
Where is it written that you have to hate a product to protest it?
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Originally posted by SonyFan
He\'d look much better with an exit wound in his forehead.
First off, you need some anger management. ;)
Originally posted by SonyFan
Where is it written that you have to hate a product to protest it?
No you don\'t have to hate the product to protest the product.
I still don\'t understand boycotting a product if you think it has potential. Now if you say that you will wait to buy it because you are waiting for games that interest you to come out, than that makes perfect sense. I am doing that with the Cube. I just think it goes a little deeper than that here. I find it very interesting either way.
Ace
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I wonder though in the future once costs go down do you think the xbox will shrink like the PSOne did.
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Originally posted by D-Day
If you hate MS for this reason, then you would have to hate Sony as well if you don\'t want it to be a double standard.
Sony isn\'t monopolizing. Sony\'s business is home entertainment and electronics (same as home entertainment). They aren\'t straying too much away from that. MS buys out their competition and are entering in every market. What\'s next, the food business? They make computers, computer components and then see that Sony and Nintendo are doing well in consoles so they enter too? They are basically copying what competition is doing. I hate MS because of monopolizing and copying.
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Sony isn\'t monopolizing. Sony\'s business is home entertainment and electronics (same as home entertainment).
Home entertainment eh? Computers fall into that category.
Oh, and electronics is a pretty big category.
MS buys out their competition and are entering in every market.
Exactly what competition did MS buy out? There main source of profit is from OS software. The only other company that makes OS software is Macintosh and yes MS did buy them out(I think?) but they were always ridiculously far beyind MS anyways. Besides, now people we\'ll be introduced to the technologically superior macs anyways with MS\'s money.
MS entered the computer market, the gaming market, and...am I missing one here? Sony has entered more. CD players, Stereos, TVs, videogames, radios, and a lot more that I can\'t think of at the moment.
The problem with MS\'s monopoly\'s image is that that have absolutely no competition. Mac was competition but they manufactured whole computers while MS just does software... They have no competition to buy out! If Sony could buy out their competition then they would without hesitatiom but their competition is almost infinitely stronger\'s than MS\'s.
**** Sony pays developers not to develop for the competition. Do you like that strategy? I do, but it\'s not exactly "heart-warming".
What\'s next, the food business?
That wasn\'t needed.
They make computers, computer components and then see that Sony and Nintendo are doing well in consoles so they enter too?
They don\'t make computers for the record. Anyways, Sony has entered more markets than MS has including consoles. Is that a bad thing? Of course not. But you seem to hate MS for stuff that Sony does aswell.
They are basically copying what competition is doing. I hate MS because of monopolizing and copying.
Sony copies too. Go to an electronics store and look at the products. Chances are Sony didn\'t come up with every one of those first so they entered it later.
MS has the OS market monopolized. Anything else? Sony doesn\'t have any markets monopolized but if they could then they would no doubt. It\'s just smart business to get rid of the competition.
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When has MS ever made computers? They are a software company and, over the years, made some excellent computer games.
Nintendo started off as a playing card company.
Sony, largely, TVs and walkmans.
It must be easy to argue a point when you can rewrite history to support it. :rolleyes:
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When has MS ever made computers? - Watchdog
I\'m pretty sure Microsoft has dwelved into the hardware market before. I recall some artical I read in PCWorld awhile ago about how MS was trying to sell their own offically licenced PC which was made only with MS approved components. Not sure if some of the parts were made by MS themselves or if it was all outsourced.. but either way it failed miserably and that\'s why you don\'t hear people bring it up all the time. Kinda like the MSX, the joint project between a Brazillian or whatever company to make MS\'s first game console.
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Hey, now I remember! The MSX! So the X-Box wasn\'t MS first console after all! LOL.
But if I\'m not wrong, MSX did have a cult following in Japan, there was many MSX from different manufacturer, sort of like a common console standard...maybe they should have renamed the XBOX as MSX II and it\'ll do better in Japan!
hee-hee.
Side note: I believe SONY had also tried to made PC but failed just as miserably as MS and never heard of again.
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Originally posted by Paul
Side note: I believe SONY had also tried to made PC but failed just as miserably as MS and never heard of again.
i believe sony did and still make pcs their called vaio (or something) their just so expensive.
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yes, sony continue\'s to make PC\'s and notebooks
Bill Gates is the reason for all our computing goodness.
ummm, you kinda got that backwards
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I was just trying to tweak you guys. :)
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If they ever made a computer (I think I remember that now too), that all the more reason Titan is completely wrong.
So, mm, if he got it backwards, computer goodness is the reason we have Billy Gates? ;)
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Don\'t forget that Sony saw Nintendo and Sega were doing so well in video game consoles and decided to get a piece of the action, too.
Before that, they just made crappy games.
And MS is also home entertainment so what\'s the difference between what they did and what Sony did?
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Exactly what competition did MS buy out? There main source of profit is from OS software. The only other company that makes OS software is Macintosh and yes MS did buy them out(I think?) but they were always ridiculously far beyind MS anyways. Besides, now people we\'ll be introduced to the technologically superior macs anyways with MS\'s money.
I wonder why Microsoft doesn\'t have any competition? Do I also need to bring up the Netscape/Internet Explorer thing to show with what dirty tactics Microsoft is securing their monopoly?
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The netscrap/IE thing is simple. NS had market share. NS started to charge for browser. People switched to IE.
IE wins. Yes, that\'s underhanded all right. What dirty tactics? Why shouldn\'t MS bundle IE with their OSs? People don\'t piss and moan when cars come stock with stereos. How is this different? Toy companies don\'t cry foul when cereal companies put toys in their boxes.
It\'s packaging, but it\'s evil when MS does it. Go figure.
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I think the point is, that Microsoft never really intended to incorperate a web browser into their OS. It was doing fine as a included program until the courts told Microsoft that they can\'t do that as it kills competition. To get around the problem, MS designed Win98 to make IE a central part of the OS... hence the address bar in yer open directory windows. It wasn\'t needed.. hell it wasn\'t even a good idea as far as I\'m concerned.. but it got MS what they wanted.
That\'s what they\'re complaining about.
People don\'t piss and moan when cars come stock with stereos. How is this different? Toy companies don\'t cry foul when cereal companies put toys in their boxes. - Watch
General Motors dosen\'t make their own stereos. They outsource. Kellogs don\'t make their own toys.. they outsource. That\'s the difference. If MS had wanted to include a browser with Windows they could have very easily paid Netscape or Opera or whoever had the lowest bid to include those browsers in with their OS along with IE. Then jack the price of their OS up jus a bit to compensate.
I guantee that if Ford Motors did start building their own high end stereo packages and included them free in their cars.. and better yet integrated it with the in-dash computer so you HAD to have that stereo for your car to operate, you\'d hear alot of people complaining.
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One of the charges against MS was they intentionally made IE conflict with NS when installed, to the point where it was unusable. Maybe just coincidence but that\'s exactly what happened when we tried to use NS a few years ago. The charge didn\'t stick very well in court, unless of course we count the court of public opinion.
Does anyone want their daughter or sis to date OJ? The same type of sentiment exists against MS, for the above weasel like tactics as well as a host of other complaints, real or imagined. Anyone who wants to insist MS is no different than Sony may as well go around trying to convince people OJ Simpson is a great guy. It will fall on deaf ears 99 times out of 100
BTW, that\'s just fine by me
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Yeah, NS made a lot of claims, but when the courts asked for their proof, they had nothing. I still have netscrap on my system (I ahve to as a web designer), I hate it, it\'s terrible, that\'s why no one uses it.
And who cares if they outsource? They are still "forcing" people to play with that toy and not go out and buy another. They are still "forcing" people to use the stock car stereos and not buy another.
And that IE integration is what NS was pissed about. MS didn\'t do it to avoid the courts, that\'s part of the reason why they went to court. And I think it\'s a great idea. One navigatinal system for the computer and if you want to go online, most of the program is already loaded. It makes perfect sense to me.
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MS entered the computer market, the gaming market, and...am I missing one here? Sony has entered more. CD players, Stereos, TVs, videogames, radios, and a lot more that I can\'t think of at the moment.
Those fall into the category of home entertainment. Computers can be used in home entertainment for some reasons I won\'t go into right now ;) . Video games, CD players, stereos, TVs, radios fall into home entertainment. Just to clear that up with you ;) Sony primarily makes home entertainment stuff and now have been making computers.
I didn\'t mean to say that M$ makes computers. It might have been an unfinished thought.
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I think that IE\'s market share wouldn\'t have grown so much if it wasn\'t bundled with the OS.
Let\'s not forget when MS changed their sites to lock out non IE users and tell the others to "upgrade" to to IE. And what\'s up with having to sign up for Passport when installing XP?
Plus they keep dozens of undocumented Windows APIs to themelves, as well as ActiveX controls.
And what was that about no Java in XP?
I like MS\'s software, I really do. It\'s solid and very likable. Sometimes their business practices go a little too far. They don\'t go buying other companies. They won\'t last though, it\'ll all come down on them someday.
Sony is a large company too. I mean they make tons of electronics (TVs, computers, PDAs, radios, home theater systems, portable music devices, camcorders, cameras, etc.) but they also have movie and music divisions.
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And who cares if they outsource? They are still "forcing" people to play with that toy and not go out and buy another. They are still "forcing" people to use the stock car stereos and not buy another. - Watch
Outsourcing is much more preferable to creating your own addition and "forcing" people to use it. Yes, people are still "forced" to use that product.. but only for the product bought while that contract is in place. Once the contract expires, other products from other companies are introduced and they place their bids to the company who\'s wanting to integrate the product. You\'re still encourageing these smaller companies to compete against each other to make you (and ultimately them) richer... you\'re not just cutting them out of the loop entirely.
And that IE integration is what NS was pissed about. MS didn\'t do it to avoid the courts, that\'s part of the reason why they went to court. And I think it\'s a great idea. One navigatinal system for the computer and if you want to go online, most of the program is already loaded. It makes perfect sense to me. - Watch
I don\'t care for it, and I never use it. If I wanna surf the net, I go to IE or NS.. I don\'t do it from the toolbar on my open directory window. Besides, anything you need to use it for (aside from webpages) is much better handled by Microsoft Windows Explorer.. which is a very nice addition IMO.
Also.. you\'re right.. MS did go to court after they integrated IE into their OS. They went to court for a SECOND time. The first court hearings were mainly preliminary and served to set up a precidence with which to proceed with further hearings. After MS released Win98 and integrated their browser and OS, they went to court a second time.. for Anti-Trust violations. That\'s the one most people refer to when talking about Netscape and IE. MS knew what was comming, and took steps to skirt around the charges by claiming it was a necessary part of their OS.
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I can\'t stand IE. It randomly shuts down on me, especially here at Central. I\'m getting Netscape soon enough or something else.