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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Black Samurai on August 19, 2002, 03:05:50 PM
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Alright listen(and/or read) I have been thinking about getting into online RPGs. If I do, Star Wars Galaxies or City of Heroes will probably be my first. Anyways I wanted some MMORPGers to tell me about the games in general. Like some pros and cons to online gaming. Thanks in advance.
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Here a some things I\'ve noticed:
Pros:
- the game never ends
- patches can really become badass
- meet or make friends
- sense of competition
Cons:
- can be extremely addicting
- come accross some people you don\'t like
- monthly fee
- can cost a lot of money for one game
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cons
* people will always be better than you
* after leveling up....(if your working in teams) the game is not a challenge
* human players steal items and play unfairly
pros
*they are very fun
*their fun
*fun-ness
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Originally posted by square_marker
cons
* people will always be better than you
* after leveling up....(if your working in teams) the game is not a challenge
* human players steal items and play unfairly
pros
*they are very fun
*their fun
*fun-ness
Hmm... EQ is a challenge when u first enter lvl 60 (highest lvl).. before that its just time consuming. So, dont say that there is no challenge left after u have lvled up.... thats very very wrong.
Im not going to repeat the pros / cons the other peeps here already have posted.... but I agree on most of em.
Pros: Guilds / clan.... most fun part of the game is being a member of a guild... A guild in the begining of the game means nothing to you realy. But at high end lvl.. when u need help for all sort of stuff... it is realy nice to see peeps showing up. Just to help you, and vice versa. And doing something other guilds thought was imposible etc.... is realy something special.
Im not sure how StarWars Galaxies will be... Im not going to play it my self, but if it is today you are going to start MMORPG... then I advice you to start Everquest or the upcomming Shadowbane that will be out later this year. For future MMORPGs... Everquest 2 is the way to go.... with the most impressive graphic engine to date + a whole new way to create your character etc. EQ2 will be out late 2003.
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Originally posted by Agnino
a whole new way to create your character etc. EQ2 will be out late 2003.
What is special about that?
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You could also try The Sims: Hot Gay Sex Online (or TS:HGSO if you prefer). It simulates mass orgies and lots of other fun things. You have to keep track of your gay character and make him \'get it on\' with other players. Bobs_Hardware says it\'s cool, so perhaps that was worth checking out?
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And just in case you don\'t believe me, here\'s the box:
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmadman.h4f.dk%2Fsimsonline.jpg&hash=8b253bb5cf90d686ff527ed5edf61a98bc0ab346)
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rofl @ samwise\'s post.
their have been two mmorpgs that have become quite popular in europe they are "myth of soma" and "legend of mir" you should check them out gohan.
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At least you don\'t have EQ on your list... that game is horrible in the high end game. You\'d be frustrated so much you\'ll want to beat your PC to death with a baseball bat. The only thing fun in EQ is the low level game... once you start approaching 50, it\'s all hell.
Stay away from EQ!
Hmm... I\'d probably go with SW:G. I hear it\'s supposed to be good. Haven\'t heard much about CoH... but it looks like fun. Very cool concept.
Basically, choose an MMORPG that seems balanced to you. Do tons of research about what the game is like and how other feel it plays. I\'d probably never jump into one when it\'s first released... wait until it\'s out for a few months and other people get the feel for it, so you know what you\'re getting into.
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Originally posted by nataku
At least you don\'t have EQ on your list... that game is horrible in the high end game. You\'d be frustrated so much you\'ll want to beat your PC to death with a baseball bat. The only thing fun in EQ is the low level game... once you start approaching 50, it\'s all hell.
WTF are you talking about?! Raids boy raids!!!!!!
Don\'t listen to him Gohan.
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Raids raids raids, that\'s all the high end game is. Oh, that and camping camping camping. Some mobs take weeks to spawn, it\'s horrible. And since they\'re staic spawns, instead of random locations, you\'ll have tons of people ahead of you trying to get the mob.
The adventure element in EQ is completely lost... the game has too many flaws, it\'s too old for it\'s own good.
Just wondering ViVi, what level are you and how long have you played EQ? Also, what server do you play on? Any alts?
Trust me Gohan, I know what I\'m talking about with EQ... but since you\'re not interested in it, I guess you can go ahead and ignore my rantings about the game.
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I\'m lvl 46 right now, and I\'m having the most fun I\'ve ever had thus far. I just went on a hate raid and since my best friend was leading the raid I got all the sweet monk gear. :smokin:
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Originally posted by ViVi
I\'m lvl 46 right now, and I\'m having the most fun I\'ve ever had thus far. I just went on a hate raid and since my best friend was leading the raid I got all the sweet monk gear. :smokin:
That\'s awesome. Planes raids are fun, especially the first time you go there. Same with killing dragons. But because of the way the high end game works, they take far longer than they should. Dragon raids take 3 hours, I\'ve heard of some that took even 12. The really sad part is the actual fight with the dragon only takes 5 minutes, at most. All the other time is getting the people buffed up and rezzing the dead. :eek:
Anyway, I\'ll stop bitching about EQ.... it is fun, when you don\'t have to deal with the long camps and kills, or any of the idiots that seem to plauge the game.
I have a level 55 Bard on Ayonae Ro.
Maybe I\'ll make a character on your server and we can go hunting. Your monk your only guy?
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Yeah he is, and I play on Tunare. One thing I hate about plane raids, I always die a lot being a monk, I get aggro most the time and do the most damage unless theres a uber rogue backstabbing. :(
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http://www.4gamer.net/files/demo/PSOn-setup.exe (http://PSO PC Demo)
Jus forest 1 & 2.. and it\'s severly limited. Still, gives a good idea of what the game is like. Simple, and very addictive.. even if not as broad as other online RPG\'s such as Everquest and SW:G. Worth checking out at least.. the demo is like 90 meg tho, so I hope you have a good connection or a lot of free time.
Personally, I\'d recommend the GameCube version tho... if you want a good PC MMORPG then get Anarchy Online, Earth & Beyond (looks sweet), or Star Wars: Galaxies.
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Originally posted by nataku
That\'s awesome. Planes raids are fun, especially the first time you go there. Same with killing dragons. But because of the way the high end game works, they take far longer than they should. Dragon raids take 3 hours, I\'ve heard of some that took even 12. The really sad part is the actual fight with the dragon only takes 5 minutes, at most. All the other time is getting the people buffed up and rezzing the dead. :eek:
Anyway, I\'ll stop bitching about EQ.... it is fun, when you don\'t have to deal with the long camps and kills, or any of the idiots that seem to plauge the game.
I have a level 55 Bard on Ayonae Ro.
Maybe I\'ll make a character on your server and we can go hunting. Your monk your only guy?
Hmm... EQ was most fun for me at lvl 60. Before that, it was all about lvling for me... and thats way boring after 50lvls... from 54 to 59 it was like hell.... I hate exping. Doing raids in high lvl zones (Im not talking about trakanon, poh / pof etc...) to see new zones that is hard to get into (pog, st , vt etc), doing epics... there is a lot more to do at lvl 60 then from 1 to 59.
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A mini review from the mmorpgs I have played:
Everquest: Ok, heard enough about this game in this topic now hehe ;) But if you like teamwork, lvling (gaining new skills, spells, equipment etc). Its not much about roleplaying... but none of the mmorpgs I have played shows much roleplaying anyway.
Anarchy Online: Nice graphic, even though the character models look kinda stupid. Music is the best part of the game actually. It isnt as stable as EQ.. lag problems. The game have a nice story... even though none of the players care much about it. A lot of peeps say it sucks... because it did, in the early days,.. had huge problems with server lag. Most of this problems are gone now, but because of this... the community for this game isnt that big compared to other mmorpgs.
Dark Age of Camelot: It has pvp that is better then any of the other mmorpgs. You have to choose between 3 teams. Camelot, Midgard or the elves. You lvl up your character the same way as u do in AO and EQ. At lvl 15 or so , u can explore the unsafe zones.. where pvp is allowed. And wars often happens between the 3 teams . The graphic engine kinda sucks... the sound sucks (so do EQ sound though), the characters move way too slow, the mobs (monsters) look all the same. U fight a bat at lvl 1 and u fight a bat at lvl 25... and the world isnt big. The positive fact is PVP... if u want to fight with your allies... protecting towns and rushing your enemies in a real war etc. But I think Shadowbane will be better in this part when it will be released.
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What are raids?
Agnino mentioned the story in AO. What is the storyline in these games you guys have mentioned?
I kind of want to get into a game before I get SW:G so I\'m not a noob to the whole MMORPG scene. I just can\'t wait to develop my Wookie Jedi Master. :D
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Here is a example for a Raid !
Your Guild / clan are going for a raid today in Temple of Veeshan (dungeon) About 30 players from this clan are grouping together to a common goal. To kill a huge dragon, but to do this.. they first have to battle their way through the dungeon. Killing all the mini bosses, and regular monsters before they reach this dragon (the boss). When u kill a monster / boss they drop items from their corpses.. we call this Loot. This is the main reason for raids, to gain loot for the different members of the clan... so the clan can be stronger.
The team behind Everquest is the same that are making Starwars Galaxies.
I advice you to try Everquest or Shadowbane. EQ has the biggest community right now... Shadowbane is new with a lot of new ideas.
Here is a few pictures from:
Everquest:
http://everquest.station.sony.com/new_screenshots/sov/08.jpg
http://everquest.station.sony.com/new_screenshots/sov/03.jpg
http://everquest.station.sony.com/movies/tri.jsp
http://everquest.station.sony.com/movies/luclin.jsp
Everquest 2:
http://eq2.crgaming.com/images/screenshots/0036.jpg
http://eq2.crgaming.com/images/screenshots/0032.jpg
http://eq2.crgaming.com/images/screenshots/0031.jpg
Shadowbane:
http://sb.crgaming.com/images/screenshots/00540.jpg
http://sb.crgaming.com/images/screenshots/00542.jpg
Read more about Everquest and Shadowbane here.
http://sb.crgaming.com/
http://eq.crgaming.com/
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Ah, Shadowbane. I remember hearing about that thing a long time ago, and about how it was supposed to be the god of MMORPGs. Did that thing ever make it out yet? If it did it had a damn quiet launch...
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I think I\'m going to get EQ tomorrow. Seeing as how its made by Verant it will me help learn the basics for SW:G. Anyone have any tips for when I start out and/or free stuff to give me?
BTW, Is EQ the game that people were selling houses for on Ebay at prices upwards of $1000?
Thanks for all of the info, guys. Its much appreciated.
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Yep, thats the one. I may look addicted, but you don\'t really understand addiction till you play this game. My uncle says its harder to quit than smoking.
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Originally posted by Gohan
I think I\'m going to get EQ tomorrow. Seeing as how its made by Verant it will me help learn the basics for SW:G. Anyone have any tips for when I start out and/or free stuff to give me?
BTW, Is EQ the game that people were selling houses for on Ebay at prices upwards of $1000?
Thanks for all of the info, guys. Its much appreciated.
Nope, thats Ultima Online... the first MMORPG released. But in EQ u can sell your character on ebay. Rl friend of me have the best equiped druid on the server... worth about 2000 to 2500$
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And start on same server as Vivi or Small Lady.. since they still play the game... Im sure one of em can help u in the begining hehe.
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Nope, thats Ultima Online... the first MMORPG released. - Agnigo
[smartass mode]Actually, the first MMORPG was released in 1991 with the TSN dialup gaming network, titled.. Shadow Of Yeusevius. It was also the first MMORPG to recieve an expansion pack.. Fates of Twinion.[/smartass mode]
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Originally posted by Agnino
And start on same server as Vivi or Small Lady.. since they still play the game... Im sure one of em can help u in the begining hehe.
I hate you Agino :mad:
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It is ridiculous how bad I am at this game. It is fun as hell; but my character is a p*ssy. Gettin merked by snakes. :rolleyes:
Plus being a rogue sucks. Most people won\'t even sell to me.
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lol...
what server are you playing on
btw, I\'d start with a necro or monk
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Tetraho? Tetnaho? Something like that.
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Tunare? Toxx? lol I don\'t know anything like than one.
BTW.... I can do just a kick for 120pts. ;)
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Tunare, thats it.
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Originally posted by ViVi
Tunare? Toxx? lol I don\'t know anything like than one.
BTW.... I can do just a kick for 120pts. ;)
My pet can backstab for 146 ;)
And I can do area effect dmg for 6k dmg :)
Lets not talk about Wizards though hehe... they can do 20k dmg in a single blow
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Originally posted by SonyFan
[smartass mode]Actually, the first MMORPG was released in 1991 with the TSN dialup gaming network, titled.. Shadow Of Yeusevius. It was also the first MMORPG to recieve an expansion pack.. Fates of Twinion.[/smartass mode]
But thats not real time, now is it ?
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What does it matter? FFXI isn\'t quite in real time either.. but it\'s still a MMORPG correct? You got online.. met with a party of 4 to 8 other player in the tavern and explored a massive dungeon together.. meeting other partys and players durring your journey who are also in there fighting.
Yeah, it wasn\'t as great as EQ (a game which came out YEARS afterward) but what the hell do you expect from a game in 1991 running on 386\'s with 2400 baud modems?
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Originally posted by Agnino
My pet can backstab for 146 ;)
And I can do area effect dmg for 6k dmg :)
Lets not talk about Wizards though hehe... they can do 20k dmg in a single blow
:laughing: We need to group man! You got the heaviest hitting caster and I am the heaviest hitting melee!
You got manaburn though.... holy shit
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My monk can kick for 9. WHAT!!!
Who wants some?!?!
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Gohan you are in luck!
My main is a monk on Tunare, hes lvl 46 right now, but I can\'t get on cuz I need some people to get my password back.
I can get you some Polished Steel Ulaks, your sashes and when I sell some of my caster stuff I should have about 500 platinum for you.
Oh and do you have Luclin? I can get you a weapon that will let you hit for 20-40 points every 2.3 seconds.
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Ulaks? Luclin? I just figured out that I CAN kick. I was punching Gnoll Pups for what seemed like forever. I\'m finally up to level 3 and I\'m killing them in 2-3 hits. I feel so powerful. :D
BTW, Thanks for the assistance.
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whats your chars name
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Linshao
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Originally posted by SonyFan
What does it matter? FFXI isn\'t quite in real time either.. but it\'s still a MMORPG correct? You got online.. met with a party of 4 to 8 other player in the tavern and explored a massive dungeon together.. meeting other partys and players durring your journey who are also in there fighting.
Yeah, it wasn\'t as great as EQ (a game which came out YEARS afterward) but what the hell do you expect from a game in 1991 running on 386\'s with 2400 baud modems?
4 to 8 players is not a mmorpg. And FFXI looks real time enough for me.
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Originally posted by ViVi
:laughing: We need to group man! You got the heaviest hitting caster and I am the heaviest hitting melee!
You got manaburn though.... holy shit
Nope, I dont have manaburn... wizards have manaburn.
Im a magician, our single target DD spells is about the same as Druids DD spells... kinda sucky :/ I also have a lvl 36 iksar Shaman. Very cool class, but I got tired of the game and quit :/ Waiting for EQ2 now, so I can explore new areas , try new classes and be a fresh n00b again :)
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Do you have your mage epic?
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4 to 8 players is not a mmorpg.- Anigo
Really.. so then what is party size limit which determines weither a game is RPG or MMORPG? I\'m sure there\'s a limit to party sizes in EQ.. as when was the last time you saw a army of hundreds of players all the same group? Even if FFXI, the limit to party size is roughly 16 members.. at it\'s max.. and they\'re not even really in your party, but in your alliance.
What I see as making the game a MMORPG is a persistant world where different parties can meet up while each persuing their own goals, as well as the overall goal of the game. Yes, you could only have max 8 people per party.. but you had noumerous different partys exploring the SAME dungeon at the SAME time.. and being able to interact. That\'s what makes a game a MMORPG.. not party size.
And FFXI looks real time enough for me.
FFXI isn\'t realtime, but not quite turn based either. As soon as you target a enemy, you enter combat and your char goes into "Autopilot".. attacking automatically. You could sit the controller down and go take a piss.. come back.. and have won the battle. That\'s not real-time to me.. but it does have real-time elements via a menu where you can trade off a rounds attack for say, magic, item use, special attack.. ect.
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Originally posted by SonyFan
FFXI isn\'t realtime, but not quite turn based either. As soon as you target a enemy, you enter combat and your char goes into "Autopilot".. attacking automatically. You could sit the controller down and go take a piss.. come back.. and have won the battle. That\'s not real-time to me.. but it does have real-time elements via a menu where you can trade off a rounds attack for say, magic, item use, special attack.. ect.
thats how most MMORPG\'s are!
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And it doesn\'t matter if battles are real-time or not.. that\'s not what makes a MMORPG. What makes a MMORPG is what I said above.. several partys playing the same game in the same persistant world as the others. That\'s what makes it Massively Multiplayer anyhow.. figuring out exactly what consitutes an RPG is a whole different debate. ;)
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Originally posted by SonyFan
FFXI isn\'t realtime, but not quite turn based either. As soon as you target a enemy, you enter combat and your char goes into "Autopilot".. attacking automatically. You could sit the controller down and go take a piss.. come back.. and have won the battle. That\'s not real-time to me.. but it does have real-time elements via a menu where you can trade off a rounds attack for say, magic, item use, special attack.. ect.
Ok ok, I thought it was 8players total in the game... sorry for mistake , but it was text based mmorpg then right ?
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Originally posted by ViVi
Do you have your mage epic?
Yup, and it is the hardest epic quest of em all :/ But it was damn fun to do it, since there was a story actually :) Even though sitting in Burning Woods for 60 hours and doing Hate about 7 times and kill Phingiel Autropos 19 times wasnt the most fun part of the quest hehe :/
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Woah dude thats amazing. Your pets could take lvl 60 monks no prob I bet (unless they have an insane 2HB).
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but it was text based mmorpg then right - Agnino
Nope, it was a dungeon hack similar to, well, AD&D Dungeon Hack by Interplay. Actually, I have the game if you wanna give it a quick spin and check it out. Most of the feautres are disabled since you can\'t go online with it anymore.. but it\'s a nice piece of gaming history. :)