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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: AlteredBeast on August 22, 2002, 11:13:07 PM
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Crazy Taxi 3 looks to be a vice among all of you. This game defies all logic. Looks like shit, sounds like shit, yet, according to nearly EVERY review on the planet, is a very fun game.
But, I don\'t know, since it was released on the 24th, it was given about a week to sell. Selling 15k in a week isn\'t great, but it isn\'t as terrible as you people make it out to say. I would say this is pretty good for a game with a few magazine ads and some backs of magazines. The August number for this game will be much higher. Needless to say, don\'t expect high numbers out of this game since it is a tired franchise. Crazy Taxi on PS2 is also half the price of CT3 and was out the whole month.
HOLD ON A MINUTE!! Tennis 2K2 sold 7,000 less than Crazy Taxi 3!! I guess Sega should just pull from supporting PS2. :rolleyes btw, the Tennis game was only for sale for a day or two, so expect better sales in August for that one, too.
Perhaps if Sega took the time to actually make a game that the general gaming public can enjoy and not Jet Set Cartoon Radio (which sold 80k) or GUN-impossibly too hard for whiny bitches-VALKYRIE (50k), their games will sell better. Sega GT 2002 may perform well, you never know. A good commercial could sell many copies on graphics alone. Judging by the stores I look throguh at Best Buy, NFL2K3 is performing very decently beside Madden on XBox, despite being blown away on PS2. NBA2K3 will probably do really well on XBox, perhaps outselling Live (and it damn well should), and 2K2 outsold the GC version 2:1.
Some very casual-gamer stuff has sold terribly shitty on GC by Sega: Home Run King, Soccer Slam, NBA2K2, sports games in general sell much worse on GC, so you can pretty much count the 2K3 titles to sell worse than the XBox incarnations.
For you jackasses out there, off the top of my head, here are as many PS2 games as I can name (from the start of the year on):
Tennis2k2, NBA2K2, Virtua Fighter 4, Virtua Fighter 4, NCAA 2k3, NFL2K3, NBA2K3, NCAA b-ball 2K3, Shinobi, Gungrave, Rez, NHL2K3, Sakura Taisen 4, Virtua Cop 1 and 2, Sega Bass Fishing Duel, Soccer Slam, F355 Challenge, Space Channel 5 pt. 2, and VF4: Evolution. Those are off the top of my head, I am sure there are more.
GC off the top of my head: Monkey Ball 2, all Sega Sports 2K3 , NBA 2K2, PSO eps. I and II, Sonic Adventure 2, Beach Spikers, Home Run King, Soccer Slam, Skies of Arcadia Legend, and Sonic Mega Collection.
XBox off the top of my head: GUNVALKYRIE, NBA2K2, JSRF, all sega sports 2k3, NFL2k2, World Series Baseball, Crazy Taxi 3, Sega GT 2002, Shenmue II, Panzer Dragoon Orta, PSO v. 2, House of the Dead 3, Soccer Slam, and Toe Jam and Earl III.
What\'s the catch? Well, looking at the XBox list nearly all are either sports games on evry console, or games that were announced before or around release of the system. There have been very few Sega games that have been announced on XBox in a long time. Trigun in Japan is the last one I can think of, and that was like 4 or 5 months ago. You can see though, that Sega has gotten a better business head on it\'s shoulders. They are putting games on the consoles that suit that game. If they aren\'t, they are being paid to compensate for lost sales, something a smart business would do. THey have only been out of hardware for a year and a half, give them time, you can already see them supporting the system with the largest userbase more and more already.
One last thing: It is sad to see so many pricks in here who care only about the sales of a certain game. Especially from those with little to know interest of that said game. You people make me sick, you play sales charts and not games, apparently. So what if Sega decides to put Shenmue III, Sega Rally 3, and Phantasy Star 5 on XBox, if it makes the games any better (and we all know the hardware provides for it) then I am game. Fuck you if you want Sega to limit themselves to make a quick buck, especially with MS filling more than a few of their money problems with cash. I say, make for the best system and the unfortunate people with only one system can cry about it. I get to enjoy every Sega game made because I own all the systems.
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quick and to the point: everyone bitching in here about Sega\'s business needs to **** off. They are back in the black and 3 of their games have already gone platinum worldwide. They will be around for years to come. Hopefully in 10 years they can come to their senses, with buttloads of cash and hot propertites from successful franchises made on other systems, make a new, all powerful system that becomes a great success so I don\'t have to buy 3 consoles every generation (5 if you count broken Sony machines :D)
Eric Jacob
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can i get a paraphrased version of all that above?
thanks
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He\'s saying that we should all stop bitching about Sega not supporting the PS2 all that much, I think. Well, that\'s what I read from his last paragraph.
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I would just like to say that I think SEGA have been really, really lazy with accouple of their games, particulary ones on PS2.
Ecco - What a crap game that was, complete waste of time.
F355 - Sure, its not out yet, and I know I sound like a graphics whore, but c\'mon, it looks really, really bad.
VF4 - What a let down, all I can say. Again, graphics look like crap and no real multiplayer fun.
If SEGA wanna be considered as a top fighter in the software dev arena then they need to start making some top games. Even SEGA GT 2002 has got less then favourable reviews.
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The only SEGA games that Im interested in on your list is Shinobi and maybe F355 to see what all this F355 vs GT3 bitching is about.
Sega, just release Sega Rally 3 and I might start to like you ;)
VF4 - What a let down, all I can say. Again, graphics look like crap and no real multiplayer fun.
Pssshh! He\'s gonna blame the PS2 hardware. Sega=infallible (looks at Tekken 4, Soul Calibur 2.. Yep)
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Tekken 4 is awesome, pure arcade bliss.
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Most PS2 games from Sega are mediocre and out dated.You forgot to add VF4 on the XBOX list.
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Ecco was crap? Maybe the PS2 version, but the DC version was far from "crap".
VF4 graphics may of been slightly lacking, but the actual game was awesome. Way before than Tekken 4 - which I thought was severely lacking. Than again, it could just be personal preference. Novel idea, eh? ;)
As for Sega\'s games being mediocre and out dated, you forgot to mention Rez which was an experience all to itself. Awesome game.
I think Sega has been slightly dissapointing as a third party, but I have also enjoyed some of their third party efforts. Its a give or take situation, in my opinion.
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Oh it\'s perfectly clear alright. You don\'t need to be a idiot or jackass to understand anytime it\'s mentioned Sega\'s poop stinks we\'re bound to get an earful from AB/Eric about how what we are really smelling is the perfume of gaming gods and it\'s blasphemy to say or think otherwise.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Ecco was crap? Maybe the PS2 version, but the DC version was far from "crap".
Racer specifically said PS2 games, so you\'re just agreeing with him.
VF4 graphics may of been slightly lacking, but the actual game was awesome. Way before than Tekken 4 - which I thought was severely lacking. Than again, it could just be personal preference. Novel idea, eh? ;)
VF4 was ok IMO, but it suffered from many of the problems that I had with DOA (questionable collision detection at times, easy to do punch/kick combos that take off way too much and are way to quick, not being able to hit your apponent on the ground unless the move is specifically made for that). I tried to like this game, but in the end, it just wasn\'t fun for me.
Sega has been pretty disappointing to me as a 3rd party. I miss the Sega from the Genesis days. :( Bring back 2d Sonic!!!
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Okay, you tell me what company has released more quality games this year? You won\'t find one.
Sega rules, although they aren\'t perfect. Sega made lots of bad games in the Genesis era too, we just forget about that now and only remember the good.
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Damn, whats crawled up Altered\'s ass?
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Answer to Watch\'s question on what one company has released as many quality games:
Capcom . The 2001/ 2002 year for Capcom has been excellent on every console.
Then again, you knew I was going to say that.
Other than that, I would say Sega is doin\' pretty damn well as a third party, minus a few stinkers. Sure they are whorin\' out abit, but what did everyone expect them to do? Whorin\' out means money. EA, 3DO, Capcom and Acclaim all know this well and its about time Sega figured it out.
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I think he\'s just fishing for trolls, and seeing what he can catch.
Anyhow.. Sega\'s games aren\'t for everyone. There\'s a distinct gameplay difference between 9/10th\'s of Sega\'s titles and what most other people are used to playing. On the whole, I consider them to be extreemely streight forward with their games.. not a whole lot of fluff added. Other game companies add in tons of bells & whistles which really aren\'t all that useful but give the games a more sence of more depth. Sega on the otherhand.. develops most of their games with an "arcade" mentality. Easy to pick up - and jump right into the fun. (with the exception of GV of course ;) )
I\'ve never been a huge fan of fighters.. so I can\'t say much about VF4. (Soul Calibur ow3nz them all imo) I dunno what\'s so different about the PS2 version of Ecco from the DC one that would substancially change the gameplay. I really enjoyed it.
Personally, I see Sega\'s games as a breath of fresh air in a market where there\'s only two or three leaders per genre and the rest fills up with "quick buck clones" and few imitations which actually manage to go above and beyond what the original did. Where else have you seen a game like Ecco:DotF, Jet Grind Radio, Alien Front Online, Crazy Taxi, Outrigger, Samba De Amigo, or Panzer Dragoon?
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So, LiC, Sega is the second best 3rd party?--that\'s fine, although I disagree, it does come down to preference. We can both agree that they are one of best, and I\'m fine with that.
Capcom is fine, but their survival horror and prerendered backgrounds get to me. Like I said, it\'s all personal preference.
btw, you\'re wrong though.
:)
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Wy don\'t you kids stop whining about graphics = crap?
I played Atari 2600 when I was a kid and VF4 looks damn fine to me.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
Okay, you tell me what company has released more quality games this year? You won\'t find one.
And that\'s the problem. This year has been a really disappointing year for me. There have been a few great games, but for the most part, *yawn*
I don\'t think Sega is that great compared to any other company. And I don\'t think any other company is that great compared to Sega. Just about all of them release good games, and all of them release crappy games as well. I don\'t get excited when company X announces a new game. I only get excited when company X\'s game sounds like something I would like.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
So, LiC, Sega is the second best 3rd party?--that\'s fine, although I disagree, it does come down to preference. We can both agree that they are one of best, and I\'m fine with that.
Capcom is fine, but their survival horror and prerendered backgrounds get to me. Like I said, it\'s all personal preference.
btw, you\'re wrong though.
:)
Who would you say is the number one third party and the second best third party?
As for pre-rendered backgrounds, when they look as good as RE:Rebirth and Onimusha 2 - I could care less if they are pre-rendred. All I know and care about is the fact they are gorgeous. ;)
You\'re wrong. ;)
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Tough question.
I wouldn\'t put dev over Blizzard. Blizzard is quality fun everytime.
Sega is right up there. They do so many genres well, there isn\'t a single dev out there that has as diverse a portfolio as Sega does.
Capcom knows fighters, but their Surival Horror is stale to me though. I\'d rank them 3rd.
EA, Square and the rest are a big group behind them, they all release a good game every now and then.
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I\'m with you Watch, in that Sega does every genre and they do it well but lately, they have been disappointing. The last great Sega game was Shenmue 2, which was almost a year ago.
So I gotta go with Clip that the best 3rd party is Capcom.
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
quick and to the point: everyone bitching in here about Sega\'s business needs to **** off.
Eric Jacob
Wow. We are sooooo sorry we messed with SEGA. We wont ever rant about it again cuz you said so. The funny thing is that I\'m saying this:
GROW UP
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[sp]Typical Nebraskan. Can\'t handle telling them the truth.[/sp]
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Altered Beast we\'re all sorry Sega is going down the tubes, but that is no means to insult the members of this board over spilled milk.
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VF4 = 3-d Fighting perfection
Everything else from SEGA this year = underwhelming... maybe PDO will fix this.
Make no mistake, SEGA is still a top notch developer, but all of their 3rd party games have had a certain lack of polish to them (with the exception of VF4, naturally :D).
As for people caring about what plataform a game is on, well I don\'t know about anyone else but I myself want to see the games I cherish get the recognition they deserve, and in this industry recognition comes in the form of sales. Although I\'m sure l33t hard core gamers like Altered enjoy games more when they\'re obscure underground titles, and proceed to lose all interest in them once they become mainstream.
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It doesn\'t take a half brained duck that the person who started this post is being paid by SEGA to start small guerilla wars in online forums to gain market "mindshare"..with a little bonus from MS. LOL.
Go sulk yourself but don\'t insult everybody just because ur a SEGA fanboy.
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Altered? What happened to you?... nvm.. your the same.. lol
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I think he was PMS\'ing when he made the thread.
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Who else is bitching about Sega besides Chrono? I thought he was one of those people who you just ignore and laugh at...
Here\'s how I see it. Sega is providing EVERY console with high quality games which means enjoyable and great games for everyone. Is there more to it than that? So what if Sega isn\'t giving PS2 the vast majority of their games(they are getting the majority of them btw)? I thought PS2 was getting an endless onslaught of high-quality games anyways?
Really, the people who are complaining about Sega are just picking the freaking bones.
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Originally posted by D-Day
Who else is bitching about Sega besides Chrono? I thought he was one of those people who you just ignore and laugh at...
Here\'s how I see it. Sega is providing EVERY console with high quality games which means enjoyable and great games for everyone. Is there more to it than that? So what if Sega isn\'t giving PS2 the vast majority of their games(they are getting the majority of them btw)? I thought PS2 was getting an endless onslaught of high-quality games anyways?
Really, the people who are complaining about Sega are just picking the freaking bones.
Quality is better than Quantity.
In other words, Sega is giving Sony shit.
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
Quality is better than Quantity.
In other words, Sega is giving Sony shit.
I wouldn\'t say shit, but they could be given them better like Panzer Dragoon.
They\'re given PS2 first access to arguably the best sports games. There\'s more great games released and on the way too- Rez, VF4 is simply the best fighting game that\'s probably ever going to be released on PS2, Shinobi, eventually Skies Of Arcadia(w00t Cube gets here first), Virtua Cop Rebirth, and more later on. PS2 is getting the better games compared to GameCube atleast.
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Well said, D-Day...
Quit your whining and buy a damn XBox if you want those Sega games so bad.
Funny how nobody gave a crap about Sega games when they were all on ONE system.
Now that Sega has fulfilled many a fanboy\'s wish, they whine and complain.
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Wow, you guys really hated VF4. I, myself, enjoy it. I think it\'s the second best PS2 game made (1 is GT3). Sure it has it\'s problems, but I think it\'s fighting system is the best.
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haha, look at the replies. Ashford got it right, though.
You guys seem to want Sega games only when they are not on your system of your choice. Quit bitching, you don\'t actually want these games.
Virtua Fighter 4 is one of the highest rated fighting games, and games period, released in the last year. You guys are in the minority. Tekken 4, no surprise, has been rated much lower, and the graphics are shitty compared to VF4. As Tekken 4 hs that stupid low-textured look to it.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
...and the graphics are shitty compared to VF4. As Tekken 4 hs that stupid low-textured look to it.
So you\'ve played the PS2 version of T4?! Cool. Where can I get a copy?
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I have played the Japanese version at the last big street fighter tournament we had. Some kid from Chicago brought it. The game just looks crappy.
Always one step behind VF, both in terms of graphics and gameplay :D
Eric Jacob
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Will I take the bait? Meh, maybe later...
Edit: that reminds me, how did you do? Does Omaha really have the best SF3 players like you led us to believe?
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Ohhh, I love good stories like this.
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Omaha has some of the best Street Fighter players in the country. Sadly, after watching some of EVO 2002, We would have gotten our asses kicked, too.
I did like I always do, beat a couple guys, then bow out gracefully by the same people who always beat me. Funny thing is, I nearly beat the winner of the tournament overall, the first round, but lost in a stupid move by me.
Eric Jacob
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Adding to Ashford\'s comment: If only all this interest in Sega games when the DC was around. Maybe then there would still be a great system alive and kicking.
:rolleyes:
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What you don\'t understand here, Clip, is these people aren\'t actually going to buy the Sega games released, ontheir system of choice or not. They are just arguing about it because they need something to make their console seem more superior, when it comes down to it, Final Fantasy MLCIXVII will pick up their interest before \'X new and fun Sega game" will.
Which is why I only have pity for them :)
Eric Jacob
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On that note..while i cant speak for everyone else..all FF games I have played have never been a let down, so that might explain some of it :)
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
What you don\'t understand here, Clip, is these people aren\'t actually going to buy the Sega games released, ontheir system of choice or not. They are just arguing about it because they need something to make their console seem more superior, when it comes down to it, Final Fantasy MLCIXVII will pick up their interest before \'X new and fun Sega game" will.
Which is why I only have pity for them :)
Eric Jacob
If we PS2/GC owners had a better selection of Sega games, we wouldn\'t be bitching as much as we are now. I don\'t plan to buy an Xbox, so don\'t bother.
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Cause they are exactly the frickin same every third time around.
If you don\'t want them bad enough to get an XBox, than why do you care. Real fans of Sega can also recognize that XBox has some great games and many great games coming out.
BTW, Virtua FIghter Quest, Sonic 3, and Skies of Arcadia doesn\'t seem like nothing to me. Nor does Shinobi, Sakura Taisen 5, or VF: Evolution.
You guys are seeing these XBox Sega games as great, magnificent gams, but when it comes down to it, they are no different than the other systems\' helpings. Would you buy Toe Jam and Earl III or Shenmue II if they were on PS2?
Exactly.
Eric Jacob
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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
You guys are seeing these XBox Sega games as great, magnificent gams, but when it comes down to it, they are no different than the other systems\' helpings. Would you buy Toe Jam and Earl III or Shenmue II if they were on PS2?
Exactly.
I agree. Sega sucks on all three consoles...PERIOD.
:p
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Well nothing truly magnificent has been released by them outside of sports since they left hardware. I think that is all about to change after Shinobi and Panzer.
Eric Jacob
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I disagree Altered. I thought Virtua Fighter 4 was a "truely magnifiscent" game. If only my friends actually bothered to learn how to play it.. it could have been so great in my household. :)
I still prefer Tekken, but it is great that I have had, at the very least, the chance to play the other great 3D fighting series :)
Shinobi and Panzer I am still skeptical about tho, although that\'s just because, yunno.. 3D shinobi (it does look like it will play great tho) and I\'ve never been fortunate enough to play a Panzer Dragoon game :(
..I\'m sure I had planned on making a point with this post.. but it got lost somewhere.. oh well :) I own all three consoles so I at least get to play ALL the Sega goodies I\'ve been missing out on. Sucks to be Chrono I guess? ;)
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I dunno about you, but Toe Jam and Earl is actually a game I might gulp buy for X-flops.