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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: MakgSnake on August 25, 2002, 12:33:02 AM
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Anyone Here Bought The CD.
Liked The Songs?
I Think The Album Is TOOOOO GOOD. Its The Best!.! Simply Outstanding.
And My Fav Song. "Sing For The Moment"..........
Damn..... This Shit Is So Damn GOOD!>!
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Horrible.
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Originally posted by M4
Horrible.
my thoughts exactly, this album sucked and so did his previous ones.
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I love M&M haters..you guys will be hard to pressed to find a better flow.
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If you like Rap, then yes, The Eminem show is great. If you like music, then M4 pretty much summed it all up.
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Originally posted by D-Day
If you like Rap, then yes, The Eminem show is great. If you like music, then M4 pretty much summed it all up.
Only one flaw with your statement..music..mich like life is relative. None is techinically better than the other.
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Originally posted by luckee
Only one flaw with your statement..music..mich like life is relative. None is techinically better than the other.
Meh, the main point still remains: Eminem blows.
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Preach on Luckee!!
Eminem is at the top of the rap game, and to say that rap sucks is as ignorant as what most your parents have said about your choices in music.
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My dad likes some of the music I like. Hell; I like some of the music my dad likes.
Some music is technically better than other music. I\'d like to see Eminem produce an album as philosophically intriguing as Pink Floyd\'s The Final Cut, or play a bass guitar as well as Victor Wooten. It just won\'t happen.
Clearly he\'s liked for his style in lyrics and beat, but that doesn\'t earn my respect.
But I\'m probably coming across as some stupid elitest bastard, which isn\'t something I want to or intend to come across as. I\'ll just ignore your musical tastes and leave you alone and not be a jackass. Unless you\'re blasting the music so loudly in your car that I can hear it from a few states or nations away, in which case I\'ll catapult a brick through your windshield, or at least stab at thee from my parents\' home in Illinois.
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I like Eminems songs.
Mainly cause I can relate to him. He sends a powerful message in many of his lyrics. Many people will say "oh he just raps about his mom doing drugs and his father never being there" Well my mother has never done drugs, but I can really understand his hate and resentment towards his father.
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MakgSnake
Junior Member
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: White America
You some racist fo mo?
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He gets annoying sometimes, but some of his stuff is good. I like "Business"..
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Eminem ...whenever I hear that name I always think of that slim shady song parody. Will the real slim shady please shut up please shut up please shut up. :laughing: W3rd :fro:
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Whahaha, m&m ! The Beastie Boys eat him for breakfast ! :D
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I like some of his style of rap, but this album is going to have to grow on me. I wasn\'t liking it much at first at all.
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eminem = teh suck
its a shame you dont see what he\'s doing to the rap culture
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Not my sort of music... if I can call it music at all... where is the instruments ? Its the same beat going on and on ... and then u listen to Eminem talking crap
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A perfomer\'s personal life should not become part of his work. He\'s got problems w/his dad or mom or ex that\'s fine but talking about killing them and how much you hate them in a song is out of line and one day he\'ll probably regret doing it.
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Urg, i really can\'t stand m&m
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Originally posted by PS2_-\'_\'-_PS2
Urg, i really can\'t stand m&m
Yeah, I don\'t really like that mm guy either. :sconf:
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Yeah, some of his stuff is actually pretty good. Whenever I burn a CD i usually put a couple of him on it. He\'s pretty cool, enough though I\'m not into the whole rap thing.
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i really like his other 2 albums, but i dont like this as much.. but the more i listen to it, the more i like it, but poor
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Originally posted by luckee
I love M&M haters..you guys will be hard to pressed to find a better flow.
Yeah... Maybe from a WHITE GUY
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Originally posted by D-Day
If you like Rap, then yes, The Eminem show is great. If you like music, then M4 pretty much summed it all up.
I like rap and I think Eminem sucks.
It\'s a shame you dont see what he\'s doing to the rap culture
He\'s turning rap into pop rap.
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
He\'s turning rap into pop rap.
If I understand you by saying pop-rap..do you mean popular rap..like mainstream? If so..
That was started a long time ago by biggie and tupac..continuing with jay-z. Now eminem is doing his part.
Yeah... Maybe from a WHITE GUY
Hell, from any guy.
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If I understand you by saying pop-rap..do you mean popular rap..like mainstream? If so..
That was started a long time ago by biggie and tupac..continuing with jay-z. Now eminem is doing his part.
Pop rap, to me, means rap that sucks. Most do these days, but some are just okay.
I can\'t stand him complaining about his stupid life. It\'s not because he\'s white, it\'s because he just won\'t shut up about his god damn mom.
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would you prefer him to rap about bitches, hoes, and his bling bling?
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Originally posted by theomen
would you prefer him to rap about bitches, hoes, and his bling bling?
That\'s just a stereotype.
Have you listened to some of Tupac\'s songs? The songs Letter to My Unborn Child, Dear Momma, and Changes are, IMO, good songs. However, most new "rappers" are just ruining everything.
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Originally posted by EmperorRob
A perfomer\'s personal life should not become part of his work. He\'s got problems w/his dad or mom or ex that\'s fine but talking about killing them and how much you hate them in a song is out of line and one day he\'ll probably regret doing it.
Then there would be very little write about. All the songs about love? Gone. Personal hate? Gone. Most of the stuff that\'s out is how the performer feels (unless the performers in NSync or something).
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
He\'s turning rap into pop rap.
blame that tit p.diddy for that......
i hate that guy
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I agree, P. Diddy sucks at rapping. I like his clothing brand, though.
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Originally posted by kopking
blame that tit p.diddy for that......
i hate that guy
did you just call P.Diddy a "tit"? If so, you rule!
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I have got the album and it\'s brilliant, In my opinion it\'s his best so far.
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yup thats right... i called p.diddy or whatever he wants to call himself a tit... he ruined rap..... its just pop rap now, i used to really like rap, but its sooo boring now...... im so rich, ive got al women, there all hot...etc etc yadar yadar yadar etc etc etc....
though i still like some rap, there is a very small percentage that comes out now i like
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Originally posted by kopking
its just pop rap now, i used to really like rap, but its sooo boring now...... im so rich, ive got al women, there all hot...etc etc yadar yadar yadar etc etc etc....
I know P. Diddy sucks but, can you name 5 or more rap songs that rap about cars and money only?
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ok maybe im stereo typing it a bit, but i used to like rap when if you listened to the words it meant something, not just boasting about the stuff they got
2pac rocks
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Originally posted by kopking
ok maybe im stereo typing it a bit, but i used to like rap when if you listened to the words it meant something, not just boasting about the stuff they got
2pac rocks
Yea, damn Crips or Bloodz (whichever) had to kill him.
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Eminem = gay
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Originally posted by theomen
would you prefer him to rap about bitches, hoes, and his bling bling?
That\'s what I rap about. I got so much ice you could skate on it.
WORD
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He Doesn\'t Rap About Normal OTHER Crappy Rappers, That Is Bitches, Sluts, Blonde, Sex And Money. Thats Too Repetitive Now A Days
He Doesn\'t Do That Shit
He Sings About His Life. Cause Music Is Reflection Of Oneself, It Shows What U Are
And Thats What His Music Shows. He Was Treated All His Life Badly And.. And Now He Just Takes His Anger Out In The Studio.
I Am Not Saying (U HAVE TO LIKE HIM) Its Just That He Is Different. ...... But His Songs Really Touch Man. He Speaks The Truth. Only At Times He Says Some Crazy Things To Rhyme His Lyrics And People Start Beliving That He MEANT That.
Any Human Being With Half Brains Can Understand And Make Out When He Is Serious And When He Is Joking!.!
And RACER I Am Not A Racist Or Anything, "WHITE AMERICA" Is The First Track Of "Eminem\'s Album" The Eminem Show............. And I Like That Track. I Ain\'t Even An American. ............ Not Even A White. I Just Like That Song So Thats Why........... The Location Says!.! "White America"
Peace Yo!.!
Keep It Real!
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He Doesn\'t Rap About Normal OTHER Crappy Rappers, That Is Bitches, Sluts, Blonde, Sex And Money. Thats Too Repetitive Now A Days
Arghh
How is this repetitive? Name 3+ songs rapping about those things, then. I hate this stereotype.
Any Human Being With Half Brains Can Understand And Make Out When He Is Serious And When He Is Joking!.!
Yes, but you can\'t joke about killing your own mother.
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He Doesn\'t Rap LIKE These Other Rappers Who Raps About Those Things.
As For Killing His Own Mother. He Just Hates Her.... "Listen To The Song" .......... "Cleanin Out My Closet" And U\'ll Understand Why He Hates Her So Bad!.!
If U Were In His Place. U\'d Understand. ...... Not Saying I Feel The Same Way He Does.
But After Knowing What He\'s Been Through..... I Can Understand!.!
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Originally posted by MakgSnake
He Doesn\'t Rap LIKE These Other Rappers Who Raps About Those Things.
You did say that those kind of rappers were repetitive, so, then where are they?
As For Killing His Own Mother. He Just Hates Her.... "Listen To The Song" .......... "Cleanin Out My Closet" And U\'ll Understand Why He Hates Her So Bad!.!
If U Were In His Place. U\'d Understand. ...... Not Saying I Feel The Same Way He Does.
But After Knowing What He\'s Been Through..... I Can Understand!.!
Yes, but I wouldn\'t blurt out my personal life to the public. I just think he wants attention and he has nothing else to rap about.
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1.) Nelly
2.) Ludacris
3.) P Diddy
All Rap About The Same Thing......CRAP!!.!!
As For............... Like I Said In My Previous Post...... He Raps About Himself!.! He Is Gifted, He Can Rap About Anything....... But What He Does Is.... About Himself. Cause Thats What Music Is All About .
Reflection Of OneSelf. ....... The Only Difference Between Him And You .... Is That U Talk To Ure Friends About STUFF In Ure Room And Thats It. HE TALKS On The Microphone And Spits It Out To The World. U Both Are Talking The Same Things.....But He Is Bold Enough To Say It Out Loud.
As For Him Talking About His Mother........ Thats Him Telling The People How His Life Went Throw. He Was Made To Believe That He Was Sick All His Life.........But He Wasn\'t, Until He Grew Up, And Doesn\'t That Make U Feel Sick!.!
Neways...... U Can Despise Him Or Whatever. I Know Hes Excellent......... A Great MC And An Amazing Musician.
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1.) Nelly
2.) Ludacris
3.) P Diddy
All Rap About The Same Thing......CRAP!!.!!
Nelly\'s new song is "Dillema." Last time I checked, that was a love song.
Ludacris\'s new song is "Move." It\'s a nonsense song that tells you to get out of the way.
P. Diddy\'s new song is "I need a girl" (Part 2) and he\'s in the Fabolous song "Trade it All" (Part 2). Both are love songs.
All don\'t seem to be talking about these: Bitches, Sluts, Blonde, Sex And Money.
The Only Difference Between Him And You .... Is That U Talk To Ure Friends About STUFF In Ure Room And Thats It.
I wouldn\'t bad mouth my mom to my friends.
HE TALKS On The Microphone And Spits It Out To The World. U Both Are Talking The Same Things.....But He Is Bold Enough To Say It Out Loud.
No, I\'m just not dumb enough to share my family problems to the world.
Neways...... U Can Despise Him Or Whatever. I Know Hes Excellent......... A Great MC And An Amazing Musician.
I don\'t despise him. I just don\'t like his music.
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I like Eminem, SO WHAT!
I don\'t see the point in defending him against other peoples views. It\'s just your opinion against theres. And it won\'t acomplish much. I say if you like EM, enjoy the meassage you get from his songs. If you don\'t like EM don\'t listen to his music.
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I Am Just Answering Their Questions................ They Seem To Ask So Many Question To Clear Everything About Eminem
U Forgot Nelly\'s "Hot In Herre" A Stupid SONG About Taking Ure Cloths Off Just Cause Its HOT!.! ............. Damn....... Too Much Of That NAKED Girls BOUNCING And ....... BLACK Guys Showing Their Fingers And HANDS Right Up Screen.........Its Annoying Now!.!
Neways........ Dont Like His Music...... Ure Bad I Guess! lol
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Originally posted by MakgSnake
I Am Just Answering Their Questions................ They Seem To Ask So Many Question To Clear Everything About Eminem
U Forgot Nelly\'s "Hot In Herre" A Stupid SONG About Taking Ure Cloths Off Just Cause Its HOT!.! ............. Damn....... Too Much Of That NAKED Girls BOUNCING And ....... BLACK Guys Showing Their Fingers And HANDS Right Up Screen.........Its Annoying Now!.!
Neways........ Dont Like His Music...... Ure Bad I Guess! lol
Personally, I don\'t like Nelly. He\'s a sell out who raps with N\'sync but, he\'s new song "Dilemma" is not half bad.
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Originally posted by MakgSnake
As For Killing His Own Mother. He Just Hates Her
Oh well then that\'s totally ok lol
"I DON\'T WANNA KILL U MA I JUST HATE YOU"
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LoL :laughing:
This is ridiculous. Eminem saying he wants to kill his mother is NO different than Master P or C Murder rapping about all the people they want to kill in their songs.
Gangsta rap has always talked about killing the crackheads on the corner or that biznitch that rappers call a ho every other line in their lyrics. Rappers talk about killing people all the time. It\'s just the way it is. Hell even some Rock music refrences the killing of people. It\'s all been done before and it will all be done again.
If you like rap, good listen to it enjoy it and have fun with it. If you don\'t like rap, it\'s simple don\'t listen to it. You can\'t call out Eminem for rapping about killing his mother and Kim, unless you call out every other rap artist before him that has done it.
Pac did it, Biggy did it, Snoop does it, Cash money does it, and about a hundred more rap artist have done it.
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Originally posted by kopking
ok maybe im stereo typing it a bit, but i used to like rap when if you listened to the words it meant something, not just boasting about the stuff they got
Rappers have ALWAYS rapped about the same things they do know. Its just that they make a lot more money than they did before so now its alienating to a lot of us who don\'t have bentleys where as before anyone could go get a nice pair of adidas and a kangol hat.
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even though I\'m still a huge eminem fan his newer stuff has dropped off....The Slim Shady LP is still his best offering to date....don\'t think he\'ll ever be able to make another album like that again....but that happens to a lot of musical acts...pearl jam comes to mind....
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Originally posted by Blunt
even though I\'m still a huge eminem fan his newer stuff has dropped off....The Slim Shady LP is still his best offering to date....don\'t think he\'ll ever be able to make another album like that again....but that happens to a lot of musical acts...pearl jam comes to mind....
Choice Is Choice Man...... I Think His Best Album To Date Is "The Eminem Show" Every Single Song..... Except "Drips" Is Freaking Amazing In It.
Slim Shady Was All BubbleGum Rap.... Marshal Mathers Had A Darker Side To Eminem It Was A Raw Album. And....... Now "The Eminem Show".... Shows Em\'s AlterEgo...Completely. "The Eminem Show" Is IMO The Best MNM\'s Album.
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Why the freaking hell do you type with all words starting with a capital? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by MakgSnake
He Doesn\'t Rap About Normal OTHER Crappy Rappers, That Is Bitches, Sluts, Blonde, Sex And Money. Thats Too Repetitive Now A Days
He Doesn\'t Do That Shit
He Sings About His Life. Cause Music Is Reflection Of Oneself, It Shows What U Are
And Thats What His Music Shows. He Was Treated All His Life Badly And.. And Now He Just Takes His Anger Out In The Studio.
I Am Not Saying (U HAVE TO LIKE HIM) Its Just That He Is Different. ...... But His Songs Really Touch Man. He Speaks The Truth. Only At Times He Says Some Crazy Things To Rhyme His Lyrics And People Start Beliving That He MEANT That.
Any Human Being With Half Brains Can Understand And Make Out And plz reply to Racers post... Im curious too
And RACER I Am Not A Racist Or Anything, "WHITE AMERICA" Is The First Track Of "Eminem\'s Album" The Eminem Show............. And I Like That Track. I Ain\'t Even An American. ............ Not Even A White. I Just Like That Song So Thats Why........... The Location Says!.! "White America"
Peace Yo!.!
Keep It Real!
Thats ok, but he dont have to release 3 albums about his mother.
And thnx Racer for asking the question I wanted to ask hehe..
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Originally posted by Agnino
Thats ok, but he dont have to release 3 albums about his mother.
He Never Did That........ There WAS One SONG "KillYou" Which Was Related To His Mother In The Marshal Mathers LP And One Song "Cleanin Out My Closet" In The Eminem Show Related To His Mother. OTHER THEN That.......... There Are NO SONGS Related To His Mother!.!.................
And As For Me Typing .... The Way I Do. Its Was A Style Before And Now A Habit!.!
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Originally posted by MakgSnake
The Way I Do. Its Was A Style Before And Now A Habit!.!
Since when was this a style? It\'s very irritating to look at.
Gangsta rap has always talked about killing the crackheads on the corner or that biznitch that rappers call a ho every other line in their lyrics. Rappers talk about killing people all the time. It\'s just the way it is. Hell even some Rock music refrences the killing of people. It\'s all been done before and it will all be done again.
I think I know what I\'m listening to. They don\'t say, "Oh man, I wanna kill that ho in the corner cause I\'m gangsta." I don\'t know where do you find these songs.
:rolleyes:
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Actually they say "Oh man, I wanna kill that ho in the corner, and then rape her, cause I\'m teh ghey."
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I think I know what I\'m listening to. They don\'t say, "Oh man, I wanna kill that ho in the corner cause I\'m gangsta." I don\'t know where do you find these songs.
I think I know what I said. If your going to be a smartass try and put a little more thought into it. What I said is exactly what they say over and over again. Maybe not in your EXACT words, but still none the less they talk about killing crackheads and ho\'s.
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Maybe not in your EXACT words, but still none the less they talk about killing crackheads and ho\'s.
This tells me that you do not listen to the new rap songs at all. That maybe be true in the past, but not at all today.
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That maybe be true in the past, but not at all today.
I can agree with you on this. It\'s not like it used to be, but it\'s still there.
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Originally posted by Dajo
I can agree with you on this. It\'s not like it used to be, but it\'s still there.
It wasnt really that often when they did say that.
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Originally posted by Soul Reaver
Since when was this a style? It\'s very irritating to look at.
Since I Got The Internet Back In 1996. And I Am Surprised Ure The First People Not Liking It.
Cause Its Hard To Type Like This And I Type REALLY REALLY Fast. Not Saying That Its Hard For Me. Its Easier For Me Like This!.! :)
Nehow..... Eminem Rules!.! :)
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Originally posted by Dajo
but still none the less they talk about killing crackheads and ho\'s.
Hey hows about naming some of those crackhead murder jams to shut everyone up?
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Originally posted by MakgSnake
Since I Got The Internet Back In 1996. And I Am Surprised Ure The First People Not Liking It.
Cause Its Hard To Type Like This And I Type REALLY REALLY Fast. Not Saying That Its Hard For Me. Its Easier For Me Like This!.! :)
Nehow..... Eminem Rules!.! :)
1. I have never seen anyone writing like that... maybe because it looks stupid and is irritating to read.
2. I Dont See The Problem To Write Like That At All ! ! !
3. And if u want songs that isnt always about drug, sex, mother or cars... listen to metal... most of the bands write about different things.
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I like E because he is funny. He has witty things to say if you really listen in to what he is saying.
"I strap myself into bed, with a bullet proof vest on, and shoot myself in the head".
He has that dry sense of humor I like. He also is a total asshole. That is good too. Although he kinda plugs MTV....it\'s alright.
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Originally posted by MakgSnake
Since I Got The Internet Back In 1996. And I Am Surprised Ure The First People Not Liking It.
Why are you surprised? It\'s really not hard to type like that really fast. You just have to have your ring finger in the shift button everytime you type a new word.
It\'s still ghey, though.
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Yeah.....U Say It Isn\'t That Hard. But Try Typing It FAST.....Then U\'ll Know. But WTF.... Am I Talking To U About This. ............
U Think My Way Of Typing Gay Eh?............I Think U And That Angino Or Whatever His Name Is Gay!.!........!....
Damn U Guys Hate Eminem Cause Hes White.... . U People So Freaking Influenced And impressed By BLACK People That, When A WHITE Person Raps, U Guys Think Its Stupid And Pathetic. Not Acutally Accepting The FACT That "HE" Is Doing It BETTER.
And It Has Nothing To Do With U Being WHITE Or BLACK!.!
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Ok..just stop now..please....for YOUR own good.
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Originally posted by MakgSnake
Damn U Guys Hate Eminem Cause Hes White.... . U People So Freaking Influenced And impressed By BLACK People That, When A WHITE Person Raps, U Guys Think Its Stupid And Pathetic. Not Acutally Accepting The FACT That "HE" Is Doing It BETTER.
And It Has Nothing To Do With U Being WHITE Or BLACK!.!
Way to ASSume what people are thinking. As I said back in the 2nd page, I didn\'t care that he was white, his music just sucks, IMO.
Leave it to that, it\'s just my opinion.
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Originally posted by MakgSnake
Yeah.....U Say It Isn\'t That Hard. But Try Typing It FAST.....Then U\'ll Know. But WTF.... Am I Talking To U About This. ............
U Think My Way Of Typing Gay Eh?............I Think U And That Angino Or Whatever His Name Is Gay!.!........!....
Damn U Guys Hate Eminem Cause Hes White.... . U People So Freaking Influenced And impressed By BLACK People That, When A WHITE Person Raps, U Guys Think Its Stupid And Pathetic. Not Acutally Accepting The FACT That "HE" Is Doing It BETTER.
And It Has Nothing To Do With U Being WHITE Or BLACK!.!
Gay music for gay people =/
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no, we dont like eminem cause hes a pop-rap star
nothing more
noone over the age of 14 should like eminem, its rather pathetic
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He is somewhat now, but he is just making money. Staying underground don\'t make you rich.
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Eminem is a wanker who simply doesn\'t know what he is talking about. In that "withouth me" song he says "Nobody Listens to techno" :rpissed: And he refers to moby as his example of techno :laughing: :laughing:
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No, he didn\'t think, "Hmm...Techno sucks, lets find someone who represents techno and bash them."
He said "I hate moby what a fool, hey he does some techno...."
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Originally posted by DiamondCutter2
No, he didn\'t think, "Hmm...Techno sucks, lets find someone who represents techno and bash them."
He said "I hate moby what a fool, hey he does some techno...."
Your american?
Moby is not techno, I doubt that you have even heard techno ;)
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Man did our "member of the month" sure make a fool of himself.
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Originally posted by mm
no, we dont like eminem cause hes a pop-rap star
nothing more
noone over the age of 14 should like eminem, its rather pathetic
That Is The Most Gayest THING Ive EVER Heard Man. See, What I Meant Before. Just Cause He Is WHITE U Dont Like Him. Damn, Its So SAD That There Are SAD People Like U On This Planet.
Metal Gear Ray, Him SAYING Nobody Listens To TECHNO Doesn\'t Mean That Nobody LISTENS To It. ............ He Said That To Do The Rhyming U FOOL. Thats Why He Says "DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING I SAY FOR GOD SAKE"......... ...... I Guess He Says That For People Like U
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Originally posted by MakgSnake
That Is The Most Gayest THING Ive EVER Heard Man. See, What I Meant Before. Just Cause He Is WHITE U Dont Like Him. Damn, Its So SAD That There Are SAD People Like U On This Planet.
mm didn\'t even mention Eminem being white..
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Originally posted by M4
mm didn\'t even mention Eminem being white..
All The Pop-Stars Are White Eh, And Thats What mm Was Trying To Imply. And Saying 14 And Below Should Listen To Eminem, Thats Is So STUPID As His Album Contains Explicit Content.
Kids Usually Listen To POP-Music. Who Happens to Be White. So Yeah!.!
That Was A Wrong Thing To Say!.! Simple!.!
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What now?
(Plz rewrite your sentence)
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MakgSnake, i feel sorry for you
and i thought AOL\'rs were extinct
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Originally posted by MakgSnake
All The Pop-Stars Are White Eh, And Thats What mm Was Trying To Imply. And Saying 14 And Below Should Listen To Eminem, Thats Is So STUPID As His Album Contains Explicit Content.
Kids Usually Listen To POP-Music. Who Happens to Be White. So Yeah!.!
That Was A Wrong Thing To Say!.! Simple!.!
Uhm..no they arent..micheal jackson..p-diddy...will smith..etc..all pop stars..none are white..no matter how much MJ wishes to be.
Kids also happen to come in all colors,shapes, and religious background...not just white genius.
I think Im going to stop replying to him in here because I feel Im cheating.
I cant sit here and fight with an unarmed man..IE.. has NO BRAINS!
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yeah, MakgSnake\'s insecurity is beyond blatant
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Originally posted by mm
no, we dont like eminem cause hes a pop-rap star
Originally posted by MakgSnake
That Is The Most Gayest THING Ive EVER Heard Man. See, What I Meant Before. Just Cause He Is WHITE U Dont Like Him. Damn, Its So SAD That There Are SAD People Like U On This Planet.
I guess pop = white to him.
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READ WHAT I SAID, HE DIDNT SINGLE OUT TECHNNO THEN THINK HMMM MOBY IS IN IT THATS MY GATEWAY! YOU ARE AN IDIOT, LISTEN TO WHAT IS BEING SAID.
God, I hate dumb people. Stop defending techno, it sucks.
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1) No one is complaining that Eminem is white. You seem to have a huge complex with white rappers - not us. I say this, because no matter why someone states they don\'t like his music or style of music, you insist that they don\'t like it because he is white. It simply isn\'t so. I don\'t personally like rap or Eminem, but I don\'t care what race he is. If his style of music does not appeal to me, then it just doesn\'t. Simple, isn\'t it?
2) This Is Annoying. This Is Not Stylish. It Is About As Stylish As Typing In Ebonics. There Is No Sense In It.
3) Everyone in this thread complaining that music genre A sucks and music genre B rules - well, guess what... Its all personal preference and opinion. You may not like rap, but like country. It does not mean country is more meaningful and better style of music. It just means you prefer it. Its like comparing apple and oranges, both are very different and appeal to different people. Get a grip , guys.
3) This whole \'pop is white\' stuff is crap. Where do you get off saying that because someone says "pop" they are reffering to "white"? That is to say there has not been black pop stars, when infact some of the biggest pop stars in history have been.... black . Need examples? Whitney Huston, Janet Jackson, Michael Jackson, Boyz 2 Men, Babyface and the list goes on. So, get over it. Just because you have a complex about a certain race, does not mean anything. Base your posts on fact - not opinions.
4) I could care less if Eminem raps about killing his mother. I could also care less if he is rapping about his life experiences, the way I look at it is like this.. Every generation has had a musical influence that was mostly about shock and constrovery. Jim Morrison, Alice Coopers, Ozzy, Kiss, Marilyn Manson are some good examples, well now we have Eminem. A rock (well, rap) star who gets more popular due to the fact he causes constrovery and attracts the media. I\'m not saying he can\'t rap and he isn\'t talented. I\'m saying that a big part of his popularity is due to the fact he gets the media up and goin\' and a lot of younger kids think it is a big bad sin to listen to him - therefor they must. Once Eminem\'s craze dies down (and it already is) someone else will replace him and the cycle will start back. We\'ll be on some message board debating this whole damn thing again.
;)
Edit [/:b] To further drive this point home, I\'ll bring up Jim Morrison yet again. Quite a few of you are talkin\' about how rap only talks about killing people and how Eminem only talks about killing his mother...Well, I suggest you go pick up the first Doors album titled \'The Doors\' and listen to the song called \'The End\'. I\'ll do a quick quote for you.
The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and...then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door...and he looked inside
Father, yes son, I want to kill you
Mother...I want to...f**k you
Here you go. A non-rap song, in late sixities , early seventies by a band that most critics and media consider one of the most important bands in rock history.
My point? Don\'t sterotype rap for violent themes when rock has had them for the longest time.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
3) This whole \'pop is white\' stuff is crap.
The majority of pop is white..so that arguement is understandable. Just like how ppl saw dressing urban/hiphop and rap is black.
Whitney Huston, Janet Jackson, Boyz 2 Men, Babyface.
Techincally, they are R&B :)
Edit [/:b] To further drive this point home, I\'ll bring up Jim Morrison yet again. Quite a few of you are talkin\' about how rap only talks about killing people and how Eminem only talks about killing his mother...Well, I suggest you go pick up the first Doors album titled \'The Doors\' and listen to the song called \'The End\'. I\'ll do a quick quote for you.
Great point..ppl who oppose rap b/c of said violent and controvesial messages often listen to the groups you mentioned.
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You can say there are R&B , but the argument here seems to be that anything popular must be "pop" or maybe I misunderstood - if so , I apologize.
My main point still remains though. No one was being racist and the fact that I see people complaining about rap due to violent themes, may as well complain about a lot of other music. Hell, if you dig enough you\'ll find certain country songs with themes of violence. If you don\'t like rap, that\'s fine, but there has to be better reasons to complain about rap, other than the violent themes of certain songs .
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all, i wanna know
why is DiamondCutter2 and MakgSnake so angry? sheesh, must be the pop-rap music they love
anyways, LIC, you simply cannot compare lyrics by James Morrissen. he was on drugs every second of the day. and he loved attantion and knew how to get it
rap music begets violence. everyone knows this
oh and the term "pop" does mean popular. ie. mainstream. ie. endorsed by every early teen child across the world. who do you think raps LARGEST cutomer base is? thats right, white suburban middle-class teenagers with identity crisis.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
You can say there are R&B , but the argument here seems to be that anything popular must be "pop" or maybe I misunderstood - if so , I apologize.
My main point still remains though. No one was being racist and the fact that I see people complaining about rap due to violent themes, may as well complain about a lot of other music. Hell, if you dig enough you\'ll find certain country songs with themes of violence. If you don\'t like rap, that\'s fine, but there has to be better reasons to complain about rap, other than the violent themes of certain songs .
Yea I know, was just picking hairs for the simple fact of doing so :) Nothing like a good discussion when a good one can be had :)
MM..Rap lyrics are often motivated by the very same discription you have used for Jim morrison..that and real life experiance.
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rap music begets violence. everyone knows this
Err :boom:
Originally posted by mm
who do you think raps LARGEST cutomer base is? thats right, white suburban middle-class teenagers with identity crisis.
LOL :laughing:
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mm..something else I just thought about. Why do you associate them as a group with having an identity crisis.
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Originally posted by mm
anyways, LIC, you simply cannot compare lyrics by James Morrissen. he was on drugs every second of the day. and he loved attantion and knew how to get it
rap music begets violence. everyone knows this
Part of my point was that the basis of the music is for shock and attenion getting. Eminem loves attenion and gets it.
That was part of my point.
*shrugs*
It isn\'t often we disagree, is it MM?
;)
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Oooh, don\'t call him "MM"! :eek:
Anywayz, j00 are all my byatches.
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LIC, I wouldn\'t say he acts and speaks in that manner for attention because he loves it, but more because that is what will get him to his ultimate goal..the green.
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why do i say identity crisis?
how many white teenage kids do you see wearing FUBU gear?
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Originally posted by mm
rap music begets violence. everyone knows this
I disagree with this. I have been to countless concerts(rap, rock, pop, R&B, etc.). The only genres that consistently have numerous "violent" injuries are rock concerts. I\'ve seen stuff at rock concerts that if started at a rap concert would have it shut down INSTANTLY.
BTW, Why do you say that rap music begets violence in the first place?
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bah, whens the last time a rock star got killed in a "drive by" by another rap star?
you dont see tom petty singing about gats and throwin them in sky and waving them like they just dont care
and steven tyler saying he\'s a pimp and a thug
i know the rap culture is an act, so dont remind me
but kids imitate what they see
they see tupac holding twin 9mm\'s and they think thats cool
they see big poppa smoking weed and they think thats cool
most rap music is a scourge and a detriment to society as a whole
its counter-productive
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um, when was the last time a rap star got killed in a "drive by" by another rap star?
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*cough* shug knight *cough*
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Suge Knight is not nor has he ever been a rapper.
Originally posted by mm
and steven tyler saying he\'s a pimp and a thug
i know the rap culture is an act, so dont remind me
but kids imitate what they see
they see tupac holding twin 9mm\'s and they think thats cool
they see big poppa smoking weed and they think thats cool
most rap music is a scourge and a detriment to society as a whole
its counter-productive
So basically what you are saying is that Rock music is not a detriment to society? Tell me how Rock makes this world a better place? To sit there and bad mouth rap like it is the only form of music that produces controversial and negative lyrics is BULLSHIT. Especially when compared to Rock. Popular rock right now is nothing but I hate this, I hate that, I hate myself, teen angst bullshit.
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I have to go with Gohan on this. How do you explain things like Marilyn Manson, Nine Inch Nails or many other rock / industrial bands? They are all angst, violence based music. To say rap is the only music that influences kids to do violent acts is simply short-sighted. Why can\'t a kid who likes rock music such as Manson want to be violent? Seems to be the exact same thing to me.
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Originally posted by mm
all, i wanna know
why is DiamondCutter2 and MakgSnake so angry? sheesh, must be the pop-rap music they love
Well All I Know. I Havn\'t Heard Anything Like "POP-RAP". There Is Hip-Hop/Rap But POP-RAP?.? Stupid Word!.!
And (LIC) Yes All Those Bands Are R&B. As For P Diddy, Is HipHop And So Is WillSmith (Just Cause He Doesn\'t Curse In His Songs, Doesn\'t Make HIM A POP Musician).
As For Michael Jackson, Ok He Was Known For KING OF "POP". But The Most Awards He Picked Was For Best "R&B" Artist.
Neways....I Was Just Shocked The Way Someone Said Everyone Below 14 Should Hear Eminem. (How Can Someone Defend That?). I Dont Get It.
Neways. U Hate Him, His Music, His Lyrics, His Image Or Whatever. It Doesn\'t Bother Me. Many People WHO LOVES RAP Hate Eminem (Not Pointing Fingers At Anyone In The Forums) Just Because He Is Making Black Music And Being More Successful. Thats A Stupid Reason Not To Like Someone.
Neways F*ck It.
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BTW, mm it is Hip-Pop not Pop Rap. :D
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bands like NIN and marilyn mansen inflict feelings of self hatred in thier music. is this so bad? we\'re all gods bitter children anyways
most rap acts promote weed, and guns, and violence
gohan, why did shug knight go to jail?
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mm your definently presenting a double standard.
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no
the type of music they listed (NIN, MM) promote self-hatred
rap music doesnt
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Ok, I got mad because he didn\'t see what I was saying. He was making fun of moby, not techno.
BTW MM, WTF is your point about white kids wearing FUBU? I guess you think it is black people clothing and so only black people can wear it? Well, yes, black people *did* start wearing that stuff before, so I guess you can say it is black clothing, but hey, white people wear the first to make lots of money, so if a black person makes a lot of money he is having an idenity crisis? You gotta think about what you say. There are all sorts of groups in the country, it\'s no longer black, white, asain, or native american man. It\'s now split into groups of religion, taste in music, and class. So maybe FUBU belongs to those who like Hip Hop or live in the hood. That\'s them, it doesn\'t matter white or black. Maybe there are black kids who wear preppy shit. That\'s them. People don\'t do shit to be another color....The follow what they like, and what they are. You are probably a heavy rocker, and that is fine, I care less. But when you start making comments that are not thought out, you have to sit and listen to the bullshit that spews from everyone.
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Also, most rap acts promote violance, drugs, and guns? Where did most rappers come from? What happened there? They rap about stuff they see and stuff they have been through. You have to read between the lines, they aren\'t promoting it, they are really saying it is bad and get the hell out. Also, Marion Knight went to jail for a few things IIRC.
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So maybe FUBU belongs to those who like Hip Hop or live in the hood. That\'s them, it doesn\'t matter white or black
ask a black teenager that and see what his response is\\
how many rappers do you REALLY think grew up in "the hood"
its an act remember
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Snoop Dogg, Biggie, Bone Thugz N Hamony (Bizzy Bone was actually rescued by AMW).
Also what do you ask a black teenager?
Edit:
Snoop Dogg grew up in Compton, Bizzy was abducted, and then rescued and sold coke for money till he relized it was killing people, Biggie was a drug dealer in New York, Dr. Dre grew up around Compton as well.
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Also, BTW it is spelled Marion "Suge" Knight. Not Shug.
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ill call him "trigger puller" knight from now on, thanks
u listed 5 rappers, there\'s thousands out thier claiming they came from "the hood"
regardless, this thread is running its course quickly
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Who cares. White people pretending to be black = ghey. Rappers pretending to be badass and \'busting a cap in da ho\' = ghey.
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Define being black please?
Then act orange.
Now shut your mouth and erase your thread.
I\'m out.
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aside from the pic, sammy just summed up the entire thread
good, now that DC isnt gonna come back in here, we can return to a rational discussion
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Originally posted by mm
good, now that DC isnt gonna come back in here, we can return to a rational discussion
Thats next to impossible the way you are carryin on in here.
Everthing else has been hit upon, so no need for me to state them again..but...
ask a black teenager that and see what his response is-mm
What was that supposed to mean?
u listed 5 rappers, there\'s thousands out thier claiming they came from "the hood" -mm
Believe me, at least half of them are from the hood
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and how would you know?
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So maybe FUBU belongs to those who like Hip Hop or live in the hood. That\'s them, it doesn\'t matter white or black
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ask a black teenager that and see what his response is\\
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My question still stands...
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do i really have to quote myself a third time
did i post it in swahili by accident?
it looks like plain english to me
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I will try this again..think about it..
I know you were replying to that guy..but clarify yer statement.
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sigh...
ask a black teenager how he feels about white kids wearing FUBU gear, and they wont give you that black/white rationalization crap that diamondcutter spews
he probably has a closet full of FUBU gear
right next to the sealed dusty box labeled "identity"
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So what would they say?
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Originally posted by mm
bands like NIN and marilyn mansen inflict feelings of self hatred in thier music. is this so bad? we\'re all gods bitter children anyways
most rap acts promote weed, and guns, and violence
gohan, why did shug knight go to jail?
Okay....so self hatred is okay but talking about sex and weed is bad?
rap acts promote weed, guns, and violence while rock groups promote "other" drugs, self-hate, and violence. What is the difference?
What does Suge\'s crime have to do with him not being a rapper?
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mm you just think you have everything figured out.
Rap is no worse than Rock, plain and simple.
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rap is much worse than rock
look at the crowds that follow these cultures
whos more likely to lash out with violence?
luckee, they would laugh. like they\'ve been laughing for ages while white kids try to be black
ever see the movie "white boyz" ummm yeah
say hi to flip-dog
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this is what im talking about
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A movie is just a movie. The last time a rapper was killed because of hate was 1996. That was a LONG time ago.
Besides, the only song I can think of right now that raps about drugs and some violence is Good Times by Styles. The rest are lubby-dubby fruit crap.
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Originally posted by mm
whos more likely to lash out with violence?
And I\'m sure your view on blacks doesn\'t have anything to do with that.
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Originally posted by mm
luckee, they would laugh. like they\'ve been laughing for ages while white kids try to be black
white boyz was phunny as phuck..anywho
Yes, you know all...so now wearing FUBU is trying to be black huh?
BTW being partialyl black..I wouldnt laugh..to be honest I could care less who wears what..it doesnt mean shit about a person in terms of an identity crisis.
By yer logic..Im a wannabe when I have my armani suit on correct?
Perhaps Im a wanna be when I wear rugby shirts..or maybe its when I sport some atheletic gear..but yet Im no athlete.
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lucky, must you be so literal all the time? sigh....
boz, i take great offense to yer question of my racial integrity
im a realist, nothing more
we\'ve already discussed how african americans cause a majority of violent crimes in america. that is a factual statistic.
everybody fits into a nice little labeled package whether you like it or not
individualism is dead, sorry
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Usually,specifically when i notice something that make little sense or is untrue.
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Just from some of your comments I begin to wonder, thats all.
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no need to wonder, boz
i hate all people equally
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MM, I\'m sorry but rock crowds are more likely to get violent then rap crowds.
Also, Tell me how to be black, orange, yellow, green ect....
You need a reality check dude, your views are wrong.
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Now shut your mouth and erase your thread.
I\'m out.
what happened? did ya find 2 more cents in yer pocket?
yeah, i like how rap concert promoters PURPOSELY hire extra security. i like how certain rappers were banned from venues on cities around the country. rappers promote violence cause they know its sells. and it sells VERY well. especially among the middle class white suburban teenager whos only happy to throw down 16$ for a remix of a remix of a dub of a sample with a rhyme layered over it that was actually recorded 6 months earlier.
how can my "views" be wrong?
thats exactly what they are
at least i am secure in my identity, DC
i feel sorry for you in yer teen angst
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The funny thing is..they allow violence at rock concerts.
The pit..yup..violence..occurs at almost every concert. Somehow that is looked upon as being ok.
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Originally posted by luckee
Somehow that is looked upon as being ok.
Well, as long as the words don\'t rhyme, the concert is safe, I guess. *cough*
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the pit? jebus man, you have no idea what you speak of
the pit is about respect and about tolerance and about releasing agression in a controlled influence, NOT bring yo gats out and blazing foo\'s!
please dont think of shit bands like korn and limp biscuit when you mention "pit"
bah, you guys make me feel old
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Originally posted by mm
please dont think of shit bands like korn and limp biscuit when you mention "pit"
Please don\'t think of Suge Knight when you think of rap.
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No..I speak from experiance. Respect and tolerence..ROFL..yea..for a small handful.
Controled? thats even funnier.
I dont care for either one..
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You generalize WAY to much mm, "bring yo gats out and blazing foo\'s!".
And you say shit bands like Korn and Limp don\'t count. Well just maybe for a second did you think that their are rap bands that people consider trash too.
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Originally posted by mm
the pit is about respect and about tolerance and about releasing agression in a controlled influence, NOT bring yo gats out and blazing foo\'s!
Regardless of what "the pit" is all about people get hurt all the time. I don\'t know what\'s so tolerant about elbowing someone else in the head. Maybe if rappers were blazing foo\'s respectfully and just to release tention it would be okay?
Seriously, mm. Slap yourself. How can you not see the double standard that you are arguing?
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Bottom Line: Rock and Rap, RULE. Must some people just listen to one form of music?
They both bring different cards to the table, but its all about being a fan of music in general.
Eminem, Korn, Tupac, Linkin Park, Nelly, System of a Down, DMX, Tool = \\m/
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I dont believe I agree with vapor..someone please shoot me now!!! :D
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actually, all those acts vapor listed, suck ass
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cept for tool they did...
popular culture sucks hard. thats all i have to say.
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Originally posted by mm
actually, all those acts vapor listed, suck ass
First completely generalizing, then speaking as if your opinion is the opinion. This isn\'t the mm I\'m used to seeing. Oh, and your age could play a definite factor on what you think of that music. (I\'m not defending that music)
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Originally posted by mm
actually, all those acts vapor listed, suck ass
I was agreeing with how they both bring something to the table :)
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Originally posted by mm
actually, all those acts vapor listed, suck ass
*murmurs* Not Tupac. :)
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I was just using them as examples... Alternating rock and rap... Showing you how listing them in the same line doesn\'t look too bad.
But just for the record the top 5 artists I\'m listening to now, in no particular order:
1. Hoobastank
2. Eminem
3. Disturbed
4. Unwritten Law
5. Jay-Z
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not tupac?
lol, tupac was the fakest of the fake
"thug life" my ass
he was a freakin dancer for digital underground
but hey, people sucked it up and bought his albums
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Your a real know it all, all of a sudden. I just watched a documentary on his life and it was far from pretty.
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Originally posted by mm
not tupac?
lol, tupac was the fakest of the fake
"thug life" my ass
he was a freakin dancer for digital underground
but hey, people sucked it up and bought his albums
Some people have to start somewhere. He did live the life of a poor man, has risen to the top, and had to sell drugs to support his family.
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Allright mm, you\'ve done enough bashing of other people\'s favorite music for one thread(say Korn is crap again and you die). Why don\'t you list some of your favorite bands now?
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you watched "thug angel" boz? :rolleyes:
my fav bands?
if i even listen to music (mostly when i do yardwork), Mike Doughty gets heavy rotation along with aphex twin and ignition. oh, and anything off of the Sub-Pop and Dischord labels in the early to mid 90\'s.
i read on the bus into town and back everyday, and when im in my jeep, i have audio books form the library.
i have an unquenched thirst for knowledge so i always have a book with me in some form or another
i dont waste my time or hearing on "modern" music, let alone rap. the only rap artist i liked in the last few 5 years was tribe called quest and apparantly i hear they disbanded. and the last "alternative" band that was any good was Radiohead but thom york wasted no time in becoming a martyr
kurt cobain was the only one of the musicians of today to have any sense of what he had become and it destroyed him, figuratively and literally. he had personally glorified, whored, and ruined the alternative scene.
im sorry bro, but Korn is the epitome of MTV sellout
they might as well hook up with p-diddy and remix "its all about the benjamins, what?"
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Well, I would mindlessly tear into the bands you listen to, but damn you had to mention the lead singer of my all-time fav band.
kurt cobain was the only one of the musicians of today to have any sense of what he had become and it destroyed him, figuratively and literally. he had personally glorified, whored, and ruined the alternative scene.
What exactly did he become that led to him committing suicide? I honestly don\'t know since I was 5 when Nevermind took the world by storm. I read every biography of him and went to every Nirvana site but never got a solid answer.
And exactly how did he ruin the alternative scene? Please tell me it wasn\'t his music(which as you probably know is regarded as some of the best ever). Just looking for solid answer here, whether they\'re the ones I want to hear or not.
im sorry bro, but Korn is the epitome of MTV sellout
they might as well hook up with p-diddy and remix "its all about the benjamins, what?"
Well, I don\'t get MTV, so you might want to explain how they\'re a sellout.
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actually, i dont feel like explaining either more than i already did, but anyhoo....
kurt was ashamed at what he had become, the posterchild of the "alternative scene" that had now become pop-culture. he couldnt stand the thought of doing one more show in front of 10,000 screaming teen-agers who happened to have seen "smells like teen spirit" on MTV and begged thier parents to buy them tickets. wanna know when he lost the edge? when MTV barred from from playing "rape me" for the VMA\'s. thats when he knew he was nothng more than a fukn puppet and he become the corporate rock star he always loathed.
and about korn? the only thing korn would kill themselves for, is money
you guys can think what you want, and say im full of shit all day long. I remember what music used to be, and what it meant to us. nothing like the bubblegum crap you see on MTV now. its almost revolting.
i remember millions of metallica fans raging when metallica released its 1st video decades after they started. it was all downhill from there.
not that i can blame them for selling out, money makes the world go round, eh?
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I\'m tell\'n ya, if ya want real entertainers there\'s no better than Frank Sinatra and Tony Bennet.
Frank and Tony > Everyone on MTV
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Allright, thanks for the Cobain explanation.
I can\'t say I agree with you on the Korn issue, but I won\'t waste either of our time with more debating.
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It a sad day when i agree with MM ! :crap:
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yes, lets just agree to disagree
although i agree with theomen
no entertainer today could match sinatra
elvis was the #1 entertainer of all time tho
that boy knew how to work a crowd
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Where did you get this info on KC mm?
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sigh....
i got it from the "crusade against mm" book you study, luckee
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Rock And Rap Are Getting Closer To Each Other Year By Year!.! And One Day A NEW Genre Of Music Will Come Out With It!.!
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umm
its already been done
only time is was done well was for the judgement night sdtk
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I\'m sorry MM, but you are a blatent racist. You can say you have black friends, doesn\'t matter, nazi.
BTW I\'m stealing: "what happened? did ya find 2 more cents in yer pocket?"
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I\'m confused, so I\'m going to smile and laugh
:D lol
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Originally posted by mm
sigh....
i got it from the "crusade against mm" book you study, luckee
Or you could have just answered a simple question instead of being an ass.
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C\'mon now calling him a racist because he doesn\'t like rap? He said he doesn\'t like most popular music that is out now. Get your head out of your ass.
Gawd, the Tupac/Eminem generation makes me sick.
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no, thats not why I called him racist, read what he said and you will see.
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Just give it up..whether he is one or not is really besides the point. From his words in here..you dont have good reason to call him one.
I will say I wouldnt be surprised..but his statements dont indicate that he is.
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I gotta agree with MM on one thing. Music now\'a\'days is simply terrible. I can\'t even remember the last decent band or song to come out.
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Originally posted by MakgSnake
Rock And Rap Are Getting Closer To Each Other Year By Year!.! And One Day A NEW Genre Of Music Will Come Out With It!.!
Rock and rap together. :snore:
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DC, call me a racist again kid, and you wont be posting here anymore
im sorry if yer identity crisis becomes so frustrating that you must lash out at others, but i dont have to take it
if yer so in love with eminem and you have a closet full of FUBU gear and a moto, and some crystal, and some bling bling, and whatever the hell a chumpie is, then thats yer business
just dont be suprised when you realize that they weren\'t laughing "with" you
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See MM rule with an iron fist? He killed n64cc with his sig rules and has already started here.
The fact is, you ARE a racist. You think FUBU is black (I don\'t wear FUBU btw.) and rich is white....tisk tisk tisk.
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and yer still the crying little kid you used to be
you renegade fags killed n64cc AFTER i left, or it wouldnt have happened
the fact is, you can never come to realize you are insecure. it will eat away at you untill there is nothing left but a fake, empty shell
and now that his thread has totally run its course, thats about it