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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Kenshin on August 31, 2002, 12:59:30 AM
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Well its almost a year since the 9 - 11 bombing on the WTC. About 12 more days and it\'ll be 9/11/2002. I\'m sure there will be a nation wide candle light vigil or something in memory of those who lost their lives during that attack. All I have to say is, bust out your candles and show some respect.
Also, is the attacks over? Do you think there could be an attack on 9/11/2002? I hope not. What do you guys think? How was 9/11 effected you personally and what will you do in remembrance of that day.
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Man, it\'s been a year already? I really don\'t think another attack will happen.. Fat chance.
Don\'t think I\'ll be doing anything on that day, just a regular day for me..
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I say screw that stuff. While respect for the dead and that day should be had. Pansy americans that still havent gotten over this yet make me sick.
Yes it was a terrible event...Yes many lives were lost.
The thing that gets me though is the thought that we have to mourn for an entire year over this. Get over it, ppl die..this type of thing happens almost everyday elsewhere in the world.
I think people kind of had it in the back of their minds that we are/were supposed to be shielded from this type of thing and were running around blind.
I think we as a country just need to get over that shit and continue to be the strong country that we are supposed to represent.
Just so you know..nothing is directed at you specifically.
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You never cease to amaze me lukee. You should just feel "luckee" you didn\'t lose your father, mother, or close family member in that attack. You might have a different opinion had that happend.
That day marks a day in history, and people will always remember it. Your attitude towards 9/11 is pathetic. Sure life goes on, but for people that lost loved ones, it\'s not so easy to sweep it under the rug and "get over it" Your comments show your true self. Want to know what I think? Sure you do, I think your the "pansy American" and you "make me sick"
Have a nice day :)
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I must say, I just love the way these forums have turned into a war zone as of lately. Yet another decent thread flushed down the drain.
:shrugs:
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Yes..Im the pansy american that has enlisted.........try again
I love this country, but I hate its holier than thou and nothing matters untill it hits home attitude. Yes, this day does mark our history, like so many in the past, but you can\'t tell me it is not time to move on. 9/11 is and has been the subject to be mentioned one way or another through friends or the media EVRYDAY damn day since last year. It gets old quickly. We have retaliated to the best of our abilities(which is another subject) and that is that.
It is and has been time to re-phuckin-build. Airlines are still suffering b/c ppl are scared to fly. The economy is still hurting in many area\'s where it shouldnt/wouldnt be if ppl were able to leave this alone and pay hommage when necessary instead of being afraid everyday.
I didnt lose a loved one in that tragedy, but I did have a good friend injured and yes..Im quit sick at the fact that he was b/c of an act of terrorism, but like myself, even he has stated to me to be over this.
If anything, we need to continue our way in spite of such things to show "them" that we will not be stopped nor intimidated.
I may not cease to amaze you b/c I am not afraid to say what I feel unlike most ppl. I have no shame in that.
Just so you know dajo..no hard feelings towards you or disrespect intended.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I must say, I just love the way these forums have turned into a war zone as of lately. Yet another decent thread flushed down the drain.
:shrugs:
LIC..I beg to differ..while alot of stuff seems to be that way, often it isnt if people would check their ego\'s at the door. I admit I try to, but am not always so successful. To me this is nothing more than a difference in opinion. I find it all dandy as long as ppl can stay respectful.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I must say, I just love the way these forums have turned into a war zone as of lately. Yet another decent thread flushed down the drain.
:shrugs:
I hate you LIC! :evil: :mad: :evil:
You smell of pee.
As for the topic, I don\'t think the terrorists are gonna do anything. If anything, they\'d try again when people aren\'t quite expecting it.
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Thats what I was thinking..if anything..probably not for at least another year once they perceive our "guard" to be down.
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Usually a tribute is done for something in the past to remember an event. Well the media has been shoving 9-11 down our throats for 350+ days now. I personally don\'t think I\'ll be watching all the media blow out on that day. It will be an interesting day, but I\'d rather remember the day on my own.
As for something happening. Doubt it, but I don\'t know and don\'t care. Not much I can do about it so why worry.
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I\'m going to work on 9/11/02.
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Uhh.... I dunno. NOthing special.
Although, I figured something wrong will happen, and they will try to link it to a terrorist attack. BTW; any news on Osama?
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Originally posted by luckee
I say screw that stuff. While respect for the dead and that day should be had. Pansy americans that still havent gotten over this yet make me sick.
Yes it was a terrible event...Yes many lives were lost.
The thing that gets me though is the thought that we have to mourn for an entire year over this. Get over it, ppl die..this type of thing happens almost everyday elsewhere in the world.
I think people kind of had it in the back of their minds that we are/were supposed to be shielded from this type of thing and were running around blind.
I think we as a country just need to get over that shit and continue to be the strong country that we are supposed to represent.
Just so you know..nothing is directed at you specifically.
Did you know anyone who died in the event? If not, shut up. Seriously. When you know people who die this way, it\'s something completely different.
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This year has flown by, I can\'t beleave it was 1 year ago.
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It\'s hard to believe that it\'s been a year already... Kinda strange how it feels like it happened just a few days ago, as I still remember exactly what I was doing when I first heard the news.
I don\'t expect anything to happen this coming 9/11 outside of the standard memorial services and ceremonies. Our defensive guard will be quite high that day, I\'m guessing, so any terrorists should know better than to try anything.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Did you know anyone who died in the event? If not, shut up. Seriously. When you know people who die this way, it\'s something completely different.
You could have not wasted your time with this if you would have read my other post a little further down from the one you decided to quote :)
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What\'s lighting a few candles gonna hurt? Our ego? Show some respect atleast.
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Originally posted by luckee
You could have not wasted your time with this if you would have read my other post a little further down from the one you decided to quote :)
I didn\'t see you say whether you knew someone who died anywhere in your posts. By the way, I\'m still asking if you did.
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I probly ain\'t gonna do **** in rememberance of 9/11 aside from maybe watch a few TV specials on it. It\'s jus another day to me... but whoever wants to light candles and hold vigils, be my guest. I can\'t believe you\'re telling people to forget it an move on Luckee.. after all, we still hold candlelight vigils over the attack on Pearl Harbor. That\'s been.. what.. 50 years? Gease, maybe someone should tell these folks that the wars over and Japan is now an ally. :rolleyes: We\'ve jus been a bunch lil weak p***ys for the past 50 years huh?
[/sarcasm]
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SO I can admit I was a kinda harsh, video\'s statement is my reason for saying what I did. Im just tired of it forced upon to me no matter what magazine,TV station or newspaper I pick up. My opinion still stands however.
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Yes..Im the pansy american that has enlisted.........try again
Well Hoo-Rah for soldiers like you. Hope bootcamp gives you an attitude adjustment for people losing their lives at the hands of complete idiots.
Your second post was a little more thought out. I hope you have realized why I said what I said. If you haven\'t, hey, whatever.
I knew no one that died that terrible day. Still in my mind, every man, woman, and child that lost their lives was my brother or sister. I\'ll go about my business on 9/11, but I\'ll silently say a prayer for everyone that was lost.
We were attacked because we send men and women to a tormented region to try and keep it stable. They attacked us because of our military presence in the Middle East. Hoping that we would retaliate against Islam. Well we didn\'t retaliate agaisnt Islam, we retaliated against the cowards that planned out and executed the attack. I have no problems with peaceful followers of the Islamic releigion. Not everyone is so determined to wage a Jihad against America. Our government sometimes should mind their own business, but to have people doing inhumane acts against other human beings, we have to step in for the sake of peace. If we were to stand by and do nothing, the problems would esculate and someone would eventually press that nuke button.
Luckee, your earlier statements struck a nerve with me. It\'s simply with the way you worded your view on the subject. I hold no hard feelings against you personally. I don\'t know you, all I know of you is that some of your opinons you post for everyone to read, sometimes are just plain stupid. And hey this is jusy my opinion. And I\'m sure their are many that dislike me, or my opinions here. I do not care, nor do I lose sleep at night thinking what someone from a forum board thinks about me. Just as you shouldn\'t ;)
Now, I have said what I wanted to say. To anyone that doesn\'t agree with anything I have said, thats fine with me, I\'m not asking you to. I hope this thread stays civil, and people continue to share their thoughts about the upcoming aniversary.
Just so you know dajo..no hard feelings towards you or disrespect intended.
Good, I\'m happy to see that you have some class. As I said earlier, I hold nothing against you personally, I just don\'t agree with you most of the time.
:)
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I guess it\'s just the way you said it..."Pansy americans that still havent gotten over this yet make me sick." I can understand if you said that you\'re sick of 9/11 being everywhere and all that, but for those who did lose people in that stuff, I really disagree with that statement.
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I just hope some TV channel isn\'t out to extort money by holding some telethone to "support" something/someone related to 9/11.
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I feel bad for those who died and all that, but I think there is a point where people just need to get over it... I mean if you sit and cry about someone who is dead what good will that do you or them??
I also am kinda disgusted in the way people are praising those who died in 9-11 as "heros". They were just normal people doing there everyday routine and just happened to be in a bad place at a bad time.. People who were on the 2 planes however should be called heros more than anyone in the buildings... I know that sounds crucial but that is my opinion and I am not trying to offend anyone or anything. Sorry if I did...
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GOD BLESS AMERIKA!11111
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I also am kinda disgusted in the way people are praising those who died in 9-11 as "heros". They were just normal people doing there everyday routine and just happened to be in a bad place at a bad time.. People who were on the 2 planes however should be called heros more than anyone in the buildings... - Starr
Granted, I don\'t think everyone who died should be considered a hero, but alot of ordinary people did some extraordinary things that day. Certainly the firefighers who gave their lives in an attempt to save other\'s should be considered heroes. The people who stayed behind to help others to the stairwell, or who went back into the inferno to pull out co-workers. Much of the bravery from that day we never heard about because.. well.. those people a the lives they tried to save were lost.
Certianly the people who stayed at "ground zero" in 48 hour shifts to dig through the rubble for survivors should be considered hero\'s as well, and that includes every citizen whos stood in line passing buckets of rubble and bodyparts back away from the disaster area while passing up food and water to the people risking their lives in that hellhole.
So yeah.. granted while the guy who jumped screaming from the 100th story doused in flames didn\'t necessarrily do anything heroic.. there are alot of people who did. Calling everyone who died there a hero was a blanketing statement ment to recognise those individuals and comfort those who lost people important to them.
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Originally posted by shingoku
Well its almost a year since the 9 - 11 bombing on the WTC. About 12 more days and it\'ll be 9/11/2002. I\'m sure there will be a nation wide candle light vigil or something in memory of those who lost their lives during that attack. All I have to say is, bust out your candles and show some respect.
Also, is the attacks over? Do you think there could be an attack on 9/11/2002? I hope not. What do you guys think? How was 9/11 effected you personally and what will you do in remembrance of that day.
I\'m sure there is a strong chance for some kind of terrorist attack. I think that we could return to our normal lives faster if the media doesn\'t keep putting pressure on the whole thing by reminding us what happened. 9/11 hasn\'t really affected me too much. I wasn\'t directly affected it. "God damn terrorists" is the main thing I say about it.
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I\'m probably not going to hold a candle-lit vigil. Maybe draw a flag instead. I am over the whole fact of the attack, but just to remember that something like this happened can\'t harm anyone. I have family who live in NY and one cousin was pretty close to the site when it happened; knowing that she could have been underneath the buildings at the time really scares me, even now.
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You guys bashing Luckee is quite funny. You act as if he sided with the terrorist.
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it seems like arguing with luckee has become America\'s new favorite passtime.
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Originally posted by Bozco
You guys bashing Luckee is quite funny. You act as if he sided with the terrorist.
You making this statement is "quite funny" No one has been "bashing" luckee. Most people disagreed with his first post and elaborated their thoughts against it.
Even he stated his first statements were "kinda harsh" And I belive the difference of opinions was settled.
I too agree the media has forced the 9/11 attacks on us every day for the last year. That wasn\'t the issue we were discussing concearning luckee\'s post.
Why don\'t you share your thoughts on the upcoming aniversary of 9/11?
[sarcasm]I\'m sure you would have something interesting on the subject Boz. [/sarcasm]
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omen, you are hilarous.
BTW, the flag thing Rya said is a good idea. I remember running a small American flag on my car the days after 9-11.. I think I will be doing it again this time around.
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Originally posted by Dajo
Why don\'t you share your thoughts on the upcoming aniversary of 9/11?
[sarcasm]I\'m sure you would have something interesting on the subject Boz. [/sarcasm]
When you stop being a smartass you can come talk to me.
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I was going to get an American Flag tattoo on sept 12th, but my tattoo place was too crowded so i said f*ck it.
maybe I\'ll get one this time around....
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Originally posted by SonyFan
Granted, I don\'t think everyone who died should be considered a hero, but alot of ordinary people did some extraordinary things that day. Certainly the firefighers who gave their lives in an attempt to save other\'s should be considered heroes. The people who stayed behind to help others to the stairwell, or who went back into the inferno to pull out co-workers. Much of the bravery from that day we never heard about because.. well.. those people a the lives they tried to save were lost.
Certianly the people who stayed at "ground zero" in 48 hour shifts to dig through the rubble for survivors should be considered hero\'s as well, and that includes every citizen whos stood in line passing buckets of rubble and bodyparts back away from the disaster area while passing up food and water to the people risking their lives in that hellhole.
So yeah.. granted while the guy who jumped screaming from the 100th story doused in flames didn\'t necessarrily do anything heroic.. there are alot of people who did. Calling everyone who died there a hero was a blanketing statement ment to recognise those individuals and comfort those who lost people important to them.
Don\'t get me wrong I never said that the firefighters and police weren\'t heros.. I think they did a great job and they risked their ass doin their job..
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Then again, thats what they get paid to do. SO I kinda look at them like hero\'s then again its their duty to be so.
I also know of cops who have turned tail and ran from a few stories my cop uncle has told the family. So maybe some dont see it as their job.
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I don\'t think a cop is a "hero" until he does something heroic. True we/they are ready to protect civilians lives at a moments notice, but many wouldn\'t do so if their lives were in danger. I don\'t believe that the mark of hero should be bestowed on someone souly because of their job title, however I do believe they deserve the utmost respect.
this all comes from a Police cadet, just incase people think I\'m an ass.
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If you don\'t argue with luckee, then the terrorists have WON.
These attacks take years to plan, I see no reason to be concerned or worried.
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Unless they have one already planned from years ago...
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i think the only thing that will get bombed is Kopking...because he has a drinking problem....he\'s a lush....he enjoys a taste now and then......he\'s been known to drink alcohol till he\'s intoxicated.....he\'s a drunk...
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
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These attacks take years to plan, I see no reason to be concerned or worried.
Other than flight training, yes, it takes alot of time for a few guys to hijack a plane with box cutters and fly them into objects. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by theomen
i think the only thing that will get bombed is Kopking...because he has a drinking problem....he\'s a lush....he enjoys a taste now and then......he\'s been known to drink alcohol till he\'s intoxicated.....he\'s a drunk...
ok and..thats my plan tonight :D
alomst there too
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Originally posted by luckee
Other than flight training, yes, it takes alot of time for a few guys to hijack a plane with box cutters and fly them into objects. :rolleyes:
LMAO!! I\'m not going to touch this one. Come on luckee, use yer head man.
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Terrorism isnt rocket science. This kinda of stuff can come together quite easily.
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Originally posted by luckee
Other than flight training, yes, it takes alot of time for a few guys to hijack a plane with box cutters and fly them into objects. :rolleyes:
Well the "plan" in general takes time. They weren\'t just sitting around watching the Jets game and said, hey lets go smash those big buildings there with some airplanes! tuckuh, tuckuh, duckuh, jihad, jihad, jihad.
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You know what Im saying. Even still, Im sure they have shitloads of plans they can use when ever they feel the need to.
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Originally posted by luckee
Terrorism isnt rocket science. This kinda of stuff can come together quite easily.
Bah! Your right luckee, terrorism isn\'t rocket science. It\'s pure stupidity by smart people. And attacks as large as 9/11 don\'t come together easily.
Ok where shall I start? Well way back in 1996 I believe, many plans could have been coming together. Al-Queda members went around making home movies of American landmarks. The Golden Gate Bridge, The Sears Tower, The Statue Of Liberty, and the WTC. Their were many more landmarks on these tapes. We have a numerous amount of these tapes in our possesion.
The way the tapes are filmed, you can definatley tell they aren\'t just sight seeing. They took detailed shots of the support structures on the GGB. They also filmed the surroundings of the WTC. And many other small details.
You can\'t put an attack together of great magnitude in a short time. It takes years to finalize the small details. Months before 9/11 Al-Queda members had handheld GPS and went to the top of the towers and got the exact cordinates. It was all brilliantly planned, and that is what scares me the most.
As for the WTC attack the hijackers lived here in the US for many years. Taking classes (as luckee mentioned) and just trying to fit in. They aren\'t the ones that planed it, they just simply executed it when told to do so. Many of them didn\'t even know they were going to die. It\'s been said that only Muhamadd Atta knew the details, and the others that piloted the other planes knew. Their is really no way of knowing this for sure.
The only terrorism that isn\'t carefully planned IMO, is when they strap bombs on their backs and detonate themselves in crowded areas. And still this takes time, they can\'t plan it overnight. Thankfully, this hasn\'t happened in the USA.
The first bombing on the WTC took many years to plan. And they just parked a van rigged with explosives in the underground parking lot next to a main support wall. Sounds easy doesn\'t it?
With the nation on such high alert it\'s not going to be easy to pull off another attack that large. But we aren\'t bullet proof and we don\'t have a Great Wall keeping people out of our country. So yes, we will be attacked again and it will be a plan that has been carefully disected to the smallest of details when executed. And it will have been planed for many years.
It takes a lot of money to execute these attacks too. And we all no Bin Laden has plenty of $ I could go on and on, but most of you won\'t read all this anyways and I\'m getting tired.
But it takes a lot of TIME, and very SMART people to plan attacks such as the WTC attack.
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I know it can take a while..hell the best plans do take a long time. My point was that it doesnt have to take years to pull off a devistating attack.
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Originally posted by luckee
Other than flight training, yes, it takes alot of time for a few guys to hijack a plane with box cutters and fly them into objects. :rolleyes:
Well it does esp if you read some info
beacuse other than the flight trainning there was clearly the
Funding Stage Before the operation could begin they had to have receved the funding from either
1st party
Taliban (through the sale of opium poppies)
or
3rd party
Rouge State (Iraq for example and through the sale of Illegaly shipped crude Oil to India and Pakistan)
Initial Planning stage (the Special Forces and then the CIA found Plans in Afghanistan which even included VIDEO footage of the twin towers)Also there was deatiled plans on Air ports and Aircraft to be selected
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there is also the extremly High possability that "planners" visted Airports in order to observe Airport Security and bagage handeling procedures
Method SelectionThen there was the selection of the methods used (in this Case Low tech weapons to get past low Security in internal flights)
as well as reducing the risk of Air port detection , it also reduced the risk of onboard detection by cabin Staff or Passagers.
Personel Selection Then there was the actual selection of the Hi Jackers / Suicide teams , they where selected for this mission and their rolls (this is ware the flying training came in for the 4 that would take over the controls after the flight crew were taken care of)
Date Selection and implimentaion in this Final stage a date and Flights were selected, in this terrorist attack they selected as we know 4 internal Flights that were assured to have the following requirements.
- they had to either leave that the same time or could all be in the Air at the same time long enough for them to be taken at the same time.
- Their destiantions were selected to ensure that they flights carried next to full tanks
- Their flight paths were also slected to ensure that when the take over occured, it would ensure the least possible time from Take over to target (this was done to reduce the likely hood of interseption)
so as you can see it was HARDLY a case of just a hand full of Nutters with box cutters :rolleyes:
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I\'d be more worried about poison in water supplies and stuff like that. I guess it depends on what effect the terrorist(s) wants. A large scale attack like the WTC, or a more silent terrorist attack - like poisoning water. I know what I\'d choose - the latter. Kinda scary actually.
EDIT: You sure know a lot about the attacks ooseven.... TERRORIST!!!111
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I just like how Luckee says everyone should get over one of the most tragic days in history..
..yet he can\'t get over his banning.
:)
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HISTRYO W1LL REPAET ITSELFF!!!!111
^^ first attempt at doing that kinda thing, sorry if it sucks. :laughing:
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
I just like how Luckee says everyone should get over one of the most tragic days in history..
..yet he can\'t get over his banning.
:)
touche\'
then again..my banning isnt in the newspapers,magazines and on tv everyday fockin day...
thxcomeagain
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Originally posted by luckee
then again..my banning isnt in the newspapers,magazines and on tv everyday fockin day...
Are you sure? I think I saw it announced on CNN. :D
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cnn is always focked with misinformation anyway :D