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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: pstwo on August 31, 2002, 02:17:54 AM
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OMG!
http://planetxbox.com/shenmuedojo/
This articles comes directly out of the TV teletext Games magazine in the UK.
"Those of you looking forward to the xbox version of Shenmue II had better gat a tissue ready; it is looking like the epic, Hong-Kong based adventure will never be released in Europe. While this may seem like a stupid move on the part of Infogrames, publishers of the Sega developed game, the lacklustre reaction to the Dreamcast version may prove to be the catalyst. Microsoft, Infogrames and Sega refused to comment on the matter. Infogrames is refusing to confirm whether it wil release the xbox version of Shenmue 2 in Europe. Though the game will arrive in the US in November with an English language voice-over to accompany the optional Japanese speech it is believed that Microsoft doesn\'t feel thegame is right for Europe. The game has already been dropped from the official European release schedules on http://www.xbox.com/uk site."
"While US Xbox owners can rejoice at this news, the future looks less promising for Europe, with rumours rife that the game will never appear in this territory. A Microsoft spokesperson was unable to shed any light on the situation, while Infogrames - which publishes Sega\'s Xbox titles in Europe - was unavailable at the time of writing, though the game does not appear on its release schedule."
Thanks to salman_128@hotmail.com for the information! Even though we here at Shenmue Dojo appreciate the information you\'ll be mad that he is the bringer of bad news... maybe I shouldn\'t of added his email address. heh =D [ andy@shenmuedojo.com ]
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Save my Shenmue II! August 30
Well, it didn\'t take long but there is already a Petition to save Shenmue IIx PAL. I encourage everyone to sign. Even if you live in the US you should sign because the success of Shenmue IIx will determine if we ever see Shenmue III. Also some good news to everyone who disliked the Shenmue IIx box art below. We have a picture of the Prima Strategy Guide. Prima has been doing the guides for all the exclusive Xbox titles in the US. On the cover of the guide you\'ll see the game\'s box art, or the box art slightly modified. The real box art should look very similar to the Prima Guide picture. Thanks Christopher Stearns for the picture. [ andy@shenmuedojo.com ]
Go here for the Shenmue Petition! http://www.petitiononline.com/shenmuex/petition.html
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Wait til ooseven here\'s about this...
tssk, they\'ve pretty much given up on Japan and Europe, US is the only market for them now.
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this was on eurogamer.net a couple of weeks back only the usa will be getting it
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Maybe they should release it on the PS2. *cough*
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Mwehhehehee... *embraces DC version*
But... hey, this would mean that we\'d most probably miss S3 too??? HELL! Sum, heads are gonna roll if so :evil:
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yeah, i still smell a slight odor of "sloppy port"
im gonna stick my with DC version
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Originally posted by mm
yeah, i still smell a slight odor of "sloppy port"
im gonna stick my with DC version
Are you saying you would pick the DC version over the Xbox one? Comedy gold!
It\'s not just a port, it has some enhancements to the graphics. Tell me why a slopy port? I know the game will have better textures on the Xbox.
:laughing: Let me help you out here.
Newly polished
Shenmue II was originally released for Dreamcast in Japan and Europe. This is a port, but Microsoft is making certain to refine the graphics so the game seems comparable to other Xbox titles. At first glance, you might think the game looks like its DC counterpart, but when you compare the two side-by-side it\'s pretty clear the Xbox version is a much more attractive game.
DC
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Xbox
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DC
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Xbox
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My Closing Comments is if it was not build from the ground up for the Xbox, The graphics will have an out dated look. Wait for Shenmue 3.
Morrowind > Any Shenmue
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i cant believe you just walked into the "graphics over gameplay" xbox trap
good grief man
but hey, if you like walking around forever, listening to people say the same things OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER, then only to fight some insects in morrowind, than thats yer business
it was a GOTY pick for you also, lol
are you letting rast use yer login here? sometimes yer posts remind me of him
oh, and that second xbox pic looks like absolute shit
sorry if you cant notice that. why are those xbox textures in those shots so dark also? trying to hide something?
you should be ashamed trying to prove something with those pics. where have you fallen to, man?
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Ok First off... Europe got the DC version of Shenmue II while the US got the shaft. What goes around comes around.
Second... Europe is still very much Adventure game territory. They\'re stupid if they don\'t release it over there since that\'s pretty much what Shenmue is. The DC was a flop in Europe, and Shenmue II came at the very end of the DC\'s life.. which would explain the low sales. Prime the market a bit and see what kind of reaction you get before making a decision like this.
Third, you are an idiot pstwo if you think those Xbox screens look any better than the DC version. Even in the screenshots you posted.. where are the enhancements? I sure as hell don\'t see em. Aside from maybe the lack of about 5 jaggies found in the DC version (which you cannot see in gameplay anyhow) there\'s a slight difference in the colormaps and that\'s it. OOoohh huge enhancement there.
I simply can\'t believe that a game for a console which only pushes 5 mpps max, is being ported to a console capable of well over 30mpps and the only graphical enhancements are highly transperant.
mm is right. Shenmue II for Xbox is a sloppy port. Get over it.
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BTW: mm, notice anything funny about that first DC pic he posted? I was jus playin through that scene not too long ago and Ryu\'s jacket dosen\'t look nearly as washed out and bland as it does there. Looks like someone ran that pic thru photoshop and turned up the gamma or something.
Meh, I also noticed that the DC version has a shadow over the map box while the Xbox version dosen\'t. For shame.
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lol, i didnt even nmotice the shadow
the blur in the xbox shots stopped me from analyzing them
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i cant believe you just walked into the "graphics over gameplay" xbox trap
Xbox and DC Shenmue II has the same gameplay. What graphics over gameplay. ???
You said Shenmue II for Xbox is a sloppy port. The gameplay on both Xbox and DC Shenmue II will have the same gameplay. So, the only part is left graphics. Not graphics over gameplay Xbox trap. :laughing:
then only to fight some insects in morrowind, than thats yer business
Insects? :laughing: Did you even play Morrowind yet? Do the quests. Insects.....
are you letting rast use yer login here? sometimes yer posts remind me of him
No, what for.
oh, and that second xbox pic looks like absolute shit
sorry if you cant notice that. why are those xbox textures in those shots so dark also? trying to hide something?
you should be ashamed trying to prove something with those pics. where have you fallen to, man?
Hiding what. I got these picture at IGN.com. Go here. Hidding......
Shenmue II Hands-On
http://xbox.ign.com/articles/369/369216p1.html
Third, you are an idiot pstwo if you think those Xbox screens look any better than the DC version. Even in the screenshots you posted.. where are the enhancements? I sure as hell don\'t see em. Aside from maybe the lack of about 5 jaggies found in the DC version (which you cannot see in gameplay anyhow) there\'s a slight difference in the colormaps and that\'s it. OOoohh huge enhancement there.
Just look picture on the Xbox again. First off the screens is not clear but you can see the differents. In the Xbox screen shot, just look at the sign. You can see it more sharper. Also, look at his face and neck on both. You can see a differents just looking at the Xbox one has more smooth textures. Do I have to go on? :o When the developers says there is more enhancements, believe them.
More Xbox enhance screen
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Originally posted by SonyFan
BTW: Looks like someone ran that pic thru photoshop and turned up the gamma or something.
Meh, I also noticed that the DC version has a shadow over the map box while the Xbox version dosen\'t. For shame.
Ah I think the DC screen is a finish version and the xbox is not. :o
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sigh
i dont even know why i bother
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There is no way the DC version looks better. That\'s all I\'m going to say. Get over it.
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The only thing the Xbox verions has over the DC version, that I can tell, is less aliasing problems.
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Originally posted by Watchdog
There is no way the DC version looks better. That\'s all I\'m going to say. Get over it.
hehe!
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so is it worth waiting years for some graphical gimmicks?
watch, take a look at those bottom two comparison pics again, and get back to me
/me waits for pstwo to slink back and spend hours digging for the best possible xbox shots he can find
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know what? it really doesnt matter
shenmue 2 is a niche title that only the cultured gamers love and wont do dick to help xbox sales. in a sense, it should have came out in the US where it belonged. on the dreamcast
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Just look picture on the Xbox again. First off the screens is not clear but you can see the differents. In the Xbox screen shot, just look at the sign. You can see it more sharper. Also, look at his face and neck on both. You can see a differents just looking at the Xbox one has more smooth textures. Do I have to go on? When the developers says there is more enhancements, believe them. - pstwo
Like mm said, you\'re actually pleased that you had to wait a year for a few minor graphical gimmicks like texture smoothing? Texture Smoothing is NOT a major graphical enhancement.. no matter how you try to spin it. Where are the extra polygons? Where are the extra textures? Where are the extra effects like bump-mapping? Do you see any bump-maping in those pics? I sure as f*ck don\'t.
Those DC screenshots are not indicitive of in-game scenes. They are some of the worst captures I\'ve seen, actually. I even went back to play Shenmue II jus a few mins ago to compair the two, and ya know what? DC Shenmue in-game looks every bit as good as the Xbox screens you posted. Do yourself a favor and actually get the game for the DC and compair it to your Xbox demo. Maybe then you\'ll see what people are trying to tell you.
Watch - Noone is saying the DC version looks better. We\'re saying that for the amount of time it spent in development, and how US DC owners got screwed by MS\'s deal to keep Shenmue II off American shores.. and this is all we get? A sloppy port with a few novelty effects? Ugh.. yeah.. it was worth the wait. :rolleyes:
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STFU!!!
Who cares about the which version looks better?
I JUST WANT #3!!!
*Just upset about the possibility there will be no #3; Don\'t mind me...*
:crying:
Shenmue 2 - GOTY 2001
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Originally posted by SonyFan
Like mm said, you\'re actually pleased that you had to wait a year for a few minor graphical gimmicks like texture smoothing?
I had to wait? I\'m not a big fan. Morrowind eat\'s this game alive!
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Please spare me the laughter. Although Morrowind is a great game, as is Shenmue, they are too different to comepare. I own Morrowind(PC, not x-flops chug chug version) and Shenmue (DC) and to be honest the RPG world has vastly split into many sub catagories. While Shenmue focuses on a good story and classic RPG gameplay, Morrowind lets you make your own story focusing on the customization of your character. The two games are completely different.
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dude, one day you realize that morrowind should have been called hollowind
its pathetic that yer still playing it
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I own Morrowind(PC, not x-flops chug chug version)
:laughing: chug chug? Not really. Did you even played the Xbox version? For only $249 and no gimmicks on upgrading the PC, it\'s worth it.
the RPG world has vastly split into many sub catagories.
Yeah that\'s true. They all went different ways.
its pathetic that yer still playing it
no, It would be pathetic if I\'m not playing morrowind. You have to give it a try first.
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i have
i played the PC version
and after walking around for 40 minutes except doing NOTIHNG but talking to pissed off people, that was that
i refuse to play the raped xbox port
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Originally posted by mm
i have
i played the PC version
and after walking around for 40 minutes except doing NOTIHNG but talking to pissed off people, that was that
i refuse to play the raped xbox port
:laughing: Raped Xbox port?
Anyways, That\'s a lie. As soon you get off the boat, you hit the first town and they are all friendly. Did you even talk to them? mm, get that game back and play it more. In Morrowind, I went up to building my own Stronghold and still doing great quest for lot\'s of people and even gods. Morrowind will open a world like no other.
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not a lie, you have no reason to deny what i say
you get off the boat, you talk to some dude and you pick yer class
then you can go around and steal candlesticks, loaves of bread, cheese, etc. then you proceeed to the nect town, and THEY are even MORE pissed off. and 1/2 of them say the same damn thing
hollowind = snorefest
if the game is so good, how come it sold dick
and yes, the xbox version is raped compared to the PC, it was a sloppy port, just like spyhunter
oh wait, spyhunter was another GOTY, huh?
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not a lie, you have no reason to deny what i say
You know why I thought it was a lie? Because as soon you get off the boat all the NPCs likes you in all the towns untill you kill someone or steal something and not pay your fines or go to jail.
you get off the boat, you talk to some dude and you pick yer class
then you can go around and steal candlesticks, loaves of bread, cheese, etc. then you proceeed to the nect town, and THEY are even MORE pissed off. and 1/2 of them say the same damn thing
Did the NPCs see you taking all the items? They will kill you if they did see you doing it and not just get mad they will attack you to death. So I don\'t know how if they would be just mad at you.
hollowind = snorefest
Hollowind? Never heard of it but Snorefest must be a PC game or something.
if the game is so good, how come it sold dick
Are you sure? Maybe this might help you. Special thanks to "thebeergod" at GA boards and getting this info quickly.
July-21, XBX, ELDER SCRLL:MORROWIND, June/1/02, BETHESDA SOFTWORKS, 36952, 182081(total at the end of July)
and yes, the xbox version is raped compared to the PC, it was a sloppy port, just like spyhunter
There only some detail textues missing. Other than that, it\'s the same game.
oh wait, spyhunter was another GOTY, huh?
:laughing: no way!
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some details?
ok pstwo, its pointless for me to mock a game that will an A+ title to no matter what way you look at it
i expect and demand better
no wonder i havent turned my xbox on in two months.
i wonder if it still works
oh, and 182,000 is pitiful
and the sales will dimishing to nothing (except at the resale shops) unless they already have
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:laughing: Morrowind is doing fine. Sorry for taking up your time but thanks for all your replys.
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Morrowind isn\'t crap, it just aint stellar.
It really depends on your gaming genre, if your not big on RPGs this is not your game. Especially a crappy port that doesn\'t allow mods. Ouch, big time.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
Morrowind isn\'t crap, it just aint stellar.
It really depends on your gaming genre, if your not big on RPGs this is not your game. Especially a crappy port that doesn\'t allow mods. Ouch, big time.
You won\'t be believe this but I\'m not an RPG genre player at all. Zero! I hate it! But Morrowind was not a turn base type and I love it. Yes, No mods for Xbox Morrowind is a big ouch but they made add-ons for DOA3 on a demo disc so you never know if Xbox Morrowind might have it. Wait I remeber a while back that a preview from the deveopers said there was no plans for an add-on yet.
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*yawn*
ill stick with my million+ titles, thanks
lemme know when hollowind hits 250 thousand, well throw a party
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Hollowind? :laughing:
I just thought of somthing. Xbox won\'t have any RPGs untill Project Ego comes out. I wonder how it will stand up with Morrowind. Of couse not graphically but gameplay wise.
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yes hollowind, as in lacking a core
ie. substance
project ego? the molyneux game?
lol
he did wonders with the buggy A.I. test, i mean black & white
he needs to climb back in the closet with john romero
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pstwo, how in the f*ck can you compair Shenmue II to Morrowwind? Are you stoned? They\'re two completely different genres. Do you even know what an RPG is??
While Shenmue focuses on a good story and classic RPG gameplay - Hurricane
Classic RPG gameplay? Just where is that classic RPG gameplay may I ask? I mean.. I just got to disk 2 on Shenmue I, (playing through for the 4th time) and I\'ve yet to see it in either game in the series. The only RPG element to it is the ability to improve your martial arts moves. Where are your lvls? Where are your stats? HP? What magic or special abilities can you learn? Can you name your own character? Speaking of characters.. where\'s your Party?? I might even kinda sorta understand about where you\'re comming from is maybe you had to improve your skills to overcome obsticals in the game. As it is now, you can play through the entire game and never practice your skills once and still have no problem beating the game.
To the contrary of what people have heard, Shenmue isn\'t an RPG. It has a few light RPG elements.. but they\'re not present enough to define the Genre. You could call it F.R.E.E, but that\'s just a hype buzzword.. not a real genre. What defines a F.R.E.E game? Think about that.. and then compaire those elements to other genres and I think you\'ll find one genre that it fits nearly identically.
As much as some people might like to laud Shenmue as revolutionary, there\'s really nothing in it that hasn\'t been done before.. mostly in one game I can think of in particular from 1989. The similarities are striking actually. Yet even that game has far ~FAR~ more RPG elements than Shenmue does. Guess what tho? It\'s not an RPG.. well.. it\'s not wholly considered an RPG at any rate.
Sheesh.. kids today. You think anything with a huge and dynamic storyline is an RPG. :rolleyes:
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pstwo, how in the f*ck can you compair Shenmue II to Morrowwind? Are you stoned? They\'re two completely different genres. Do you even know what an RPG is??
First off, your a mod now and that language must go. (F*ck) Respect the members as well. Go read your bible about being a mod. LOL!
Ok now if I\'m not mistaken RPGs are RPGs. I could play an Apple RPG game and it would be the same genres class as a Orange RPG game. RPG GENRES! If one game has more elements that the other it makes no differents. It\'s still an RPG. :o
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If you ever ban him, can you make me a mod for a day so I can do it?
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Originally posted by mm
i have
i played the PC version
and after walking around for 40 minutes except doing NOTIHNG but talking to pissed off people, that was that
i refuse to play the raped xbox port
Raped X box version with NO plugins to make the game intresting
Take for example the plugin i am playing
the Dread Knights
it add\'s ORC Death knights that can summon Undead and have magic armour there is 9 of them in total,
each HIDDEN through out Morrowind
it a VERY BIG Quest
or there is the Giant\'s Plug in which add\'s Giants ,Sea Devils , Pack\'s of Nix Hounds etc.
and finaly there is the superb Moonspawn Plugin that add\'s a Dwarfen Floating Fortress to explore.
PC Version FAR >>>> to the X flops version !
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Raped X box version with NO plugins to make the game intresting
Take for example the plugin i am playing
the Dread Knights
it add\'s ORC Death knights that can summon Undead and have magic armour there is 9 of them in total,
each HIDDEN through out Morrowind
Wow! A Dread Knight? So it\'s a special ORC with a Summon Undead spell? What kind of enchanted Magic does the armour has? I could enchant any weapon or armour with my enchanter of couse, my enchantment skills are to low but my destruction skills are now at 60. What house did you join? I join the Telvanni and I build my Stronghold at it\'s final stage. Looks like a plant that grown huge. I love it. I even have robots gaurds outside my stronghold. I put all my armours, weapons, book, ingredients etc inside. It was hard work doing the stronghold quests and to up my skills to a level needed. My level is at 29 now.
it a VERY BIG Quest
So tell some of the quests you are doing now.
or there is the Giant\'s Plug in which add\'s Giants ,Sea Devils , Pack\'s of Nix Hounds etc.
What Giants sea devils? Never heard or seen it but giant Nix hounds? WOW! I seen the Hounds, it looks like dogs but weird.
and finaly there is the superb Moonspawn Plugin that add\'s a Dwarfen Floating Fortress to explore.
Sounds cool. There is one floating island next to the Vivec complex on the right side. I didn\'t go there yet but I will. I made some constant effects items like 8 pt health tower glass sheild, 10 pt levate. I made some enchant items with spells like my 100ft telekinisis, 100 pt health, cure common diseases and some other ones. I also make my own potions now. Save money! I just look for plants and other ingredient to make my great potions.
Morrowind has to be the best game ever made.
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Originally posted by pstwo
Morrowind has to be the best game ever made.
Far from the truth, even for the PC version. But in any case, a good "make your own" RPG.
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First off, your a mod now and that language must go. (F*ck) Respect the members as well. Go read your bible about being a mod. LOL! - pstwo
If that language must go, then mm can tell me himself. Mod or not, I\'m still the same ole\' poster I always was and I\'ll be damned if I change jus because of a title and a few extra options. If I wasn\'t an apropriate choice as mod, I never would have been made one in the first place. After two years on these forums, I\'m sure mm knows what I\'m like by now.
Ok now if I\'m not mistaken RPGs are RPGs. I could play an Apple RPG game and it would be the same genres class as a Orange RPG game. RPG GENRES! If one game has more elements that the other it makes no differents. It\'s still an RPG. - pstwo
Do you have idea what you\'re talking about? Ok.. so jus because I can jump a crate in MGS2 does that make it a platformer? Jus because I solve a simple puzzle in Mario64 does that make it an Adventure game? Do you even know what a genre is and what defines it? I mean really.. are you even putting effort into these posts are you purposly TRYING to look like an idiot for us all to laugh at?
/me shakes his head... Some people.. :crap:
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pstwo, remember what forum yer in
Please leave yer sensitive feelings in console discussion.
yer xbox devotion sickens me anymore
morrowind is a mediocre game at best
the best game ever? you have some SERIOUS issues and need to stop hanging out with rastalant.
youve turned into a "friendly" troll. one that walked thru the side entrance with a smile and bearing gifts, yet having a dark alter purpose
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I for one am extremely pissed off.
However, this guy at my local EB (who surprised me by knowing a LOT about gaming) has told me how much he loved Shenmue 1 and 2 for his DC. Perhaps he can give me the heads up as to where near by I could buy one. Or maybe I could get his.
I should have bought one when I had the chance :(:(:(
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BTW, sorry for sticking on topic :crap:
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youll have to get shenmue 2 off ebay, same place i did
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I think I\'ll have to.. :(
Meh well, in time :)
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Why wouldn\'t you get it for the xbox?
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I live in Australia.... we are... part of Europe (when it comes to these things)
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If that language must go, then mm can tell me himself.
Well new members that come to this board will see mods with that kind of language just turn them off. I mean, I go to many different boards and seen trolls but the mods never says that type of language to the members. Only this board does it. That\'s why the members online is like under 15 at one time.
Be an adult!
Do you even know what a genre is and what defines it?
Yes, Am I typing Chinese? Well genre from the dictionary says,
"a category of artistic, musical, or literary composition characterized by a particular style, form, or content"
I am typing in english.
I mean really.. are you even putting effort into these posts are you purposly TRYING to look like an idiot for us all to laugh at?
No, laugh at? I don\'t see anyone laughing. ??
youve turned into a "friendly" troll.
I\'m a Troll? If you go back to first page, I was attack by trolls. I don\'t attack people on ANY boards I go to.
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Please someone close this topic!!!!!
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whatever pstwo
again, "Please leave yer sensitive feelings in console discussion."
this individual forum has less restricted rules for obvious reasons
yer NO better then anyone because you love the xbox and take this omiscient attitude all the time
i used to be just like you, but then the horror of reality and dissapointment came down like a bitch
trolls dont attack. they set up people to attack
and this is exactly what you do (in a nice sort of way)
im seriously contemplating on making an xbox news forum just for you. one that i certainly wouldnt visit, and you could keep all the xbox hype in there. wait a minute, GA already has one of those. use thiers, thanks.
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Ok but could you please close this topic.
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since you asked, i guess