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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Halberto on September 02, 2002, 07:25:10 PM
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Man, I better pack my bags and move to Whales or something if it happens in my lifetime.
http://www.disasterrelief.org/Disasters/010831tsunami/
if that isn\'t bad enough.........
http://exodus2006.com/supervol.html
The scary thing is, is that it WILL happen. There is no stopping it.
And scientists have found out that around 100,000 BC the population of humans were equal to present day population, but in 80,000-70,000 BC our population declined to 5,000 to 10,000 people. During that time a Super Volcano erupted and made a collasal change in geography and life, and in Yellowstone its predicted in less than 1000 years another Super Volcano will explode equal to the previous one 80,000 years ago.
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I\'ll probably just be vaporized, so it won\'t bother me. I\'m ever the optimist
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Eh.. by the time that sorta thing happens, we\'ll probably have technology capable of kicking mother nature\'s ass, and therefore saving all of mankind against puny volcanoes and tsunamis and whatnot. If something catastrophic happens soon, I wouldn\'t worry too much; It\'d suck, but at least we\'d all go out as one big happy family.
Yeah, I\'m crazy.
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i say stop recycling!
Mother nature throws earthquakes, tornadoes and poison monkeys at us, and when we start winning, she wants to stop the game. Well not this time around Missy!
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Woaahhh, lets not get all melodramatic here!!!
Are you sure you want to move to Wales?
*If there are any Welsh people here, remember, that statement was a JOKE *
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Originally posted by ViVi
And scientists have found out that around 100,000 BC the population of humans were equal to present day population, but in 80,000-70,000 BC our population declined to 5,000 to 10,000 people.
Where did you get this? Sounds like BS.
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1000 years from now? Who cares, I\'ll be long dead anyway.
But it would suck for the people living then. Such a shame.
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If it does happen while im alive, im grabbin my boogie-board and riding that damn wave and going down in a blast,hehe.(except id have to go to the other side of the continent but why not?)...o wait, i could probably live if i stayed on the west coast in the first place....BAH WELL :)
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Where did you get this? Sounds like BS.
The Discovery Channel, I forget how they found the bottleneck but I think they looked in human genes. :confused:
BTW Jaye_Bennington, my family roots are from there, my grandma is living in Wales right now. But I don\'t even know how to spell the country :laughing:
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1000 years? Damn, I was planning on getting 1,200 years old. :crap:
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We\'ll either be killed in a nuclear war or be on Mars or the moon living so what do I care. That and I\'ll be dead.
The tsunami that would hit the east coast will only be 70ft but it won\'t do much damage except on the coast. But it is only 70 ft. Swim for your life. By the time it reaches my house, it will be probably only 30 or non existant. The article said that the Tsunami probably wouldn\'t happen, just the worst case scenerio.
Yellow Stone will erupt. I heard this but it won\'t for a while. When the human population decreased, it wasn\'t proven that the volcano did this. It is also possible that humans had some sort of virus that also could have wiped out most of us. I wouldn\'t take any of the effects serious. It will f*** up our weather (for me atleast) but I doubt that Yellow Stone will be the end of the world. Anyway, I\'m staying away from California and moving somewhere else for a while :)
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Super Volcano killing billions thousands of years ago? What will these scientists come up with next?
True, things are getting worst. If they arent stopped, mankind will destroy itself.
That is why scientists made the doomsday clock and are moving its hands toward midnight all the time.
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Originally posted by Clowd
Super Volcano killing billions thousands of years ago? What will these scientists come up with next?
maybe they can find out what makes you so ignorant
jk ;)
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How exactly are things worse today than in the past? Show me some evidence.
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Originally posted by Clowd
Super Volcano killing billions thousands of years ago? What will these scientists come up with next?
Fossils, civilization records, dead bodies, physical defects like craters and possibly igneous rock in certain places. Don\'t be so ignorant.
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1000 years from now? Paleez. By then we\'ll have star ships that can go warp 9.9999999. Engage. :laughing:
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Fossils, civilization records, dead bodies, physical defects like craters and possibly igneous rock in certain places. Don\'t be so ignorant.
But do they really think ONE volcano can do all that damage. I would suspect multiple Volcanes erupted over a period of time. Do you seriously believe that one volcano killed billions of people?
As for this so called "mega tsnami"
*looks out window at hudson river* it aint here yet and 1k years sounds like a while.
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Originally posted by cloud345
But do they really think ONE volcano can do all that damage. I would suspect multiple Volcanes erupted over a period of time. Do you seriously believe that one volcano killed billions of people?
Yup..just b/c we havent seen one volcanoe do that type of damage doesnt mean it cannot happen. I do however doubt it has killed billions for some reason. I do think a "super volcano" is very possible though.
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I\'ve seen this too. There are a few Super Volcanoes in the world, Yellow Stone happens to be the biggest. They all run along the ring of fire, except for the one on the ocean floor near Hawaii.
They know it\'s active because of the significant change of Yellow Stone\'s geography. One side of the park is going up while the other is going down.
Supposedly we\'re thousands of years overdue for such an event. When it does happen, America will be toast. That and the rest of the world will go into a nuclear winter. Tons of ash will be thrown in the air and more than likely encase Earth in darkness for years.
North America need not worry though...ever seen a volcano explode? Notice how the initial heat blast knocks everything over as it singes it? It\'ll be over before you even knew it happened;)
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nature has a way of getting rid of whats not needed. ;)
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Originally posted by cloud345
But do they really think ONE volcano can do all that damage. I would suspect multiple Volcanes erupted over a period of time. Do you seriously believe that one volcano killed billions of people?
It is entirely possible. However, something else like a Plague could have also screwed the humans over. I hope this Super Volcano doesn\'t happen soon. I think they expect it to blow in the next few hundred years.
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A Super Volcano would throw literally tons of ash in the sky, blanketing the world. It\'s a nuclear winter, and would be around for quite some time...as in years.
Within that time, all vegetation would die, then animals, and eventually we would.
It is entirely possible and the most likely of events that killed off so many.
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Thank you! Some people believe me and saw the heard the same thing!
Heres a good example: imagine 1,000 volcanos erupting at one time in one place.
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You know, scientists could say pigs flew 1,000 years ago and you all would believe it.
You tell me o theres all this fossil evidence, but have you seen this evidence?
Or do you realize they are going by what they find in the side of 1 cliff somewhere in Asia?
Vivi may I ask what field you are in?
Geology? Obviously not.
Videoholic, the advant of the nuclear bomb is puts the worlds fate in the hands of man pushing a button.
Titan, you talk like you know all about this volcano, and how there is so much evidence. How about how they proved 6billion men roamed the Earth 100,000 years ago?
Care to explain it to me? Im all ears. Show me the evidence.
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Just to prove how confused these scientists are, they said 100,000 years ago there was only about 120,000-1,000,000 \'primitive\' men on earth.
Now there was 6 billion?
Oh the endless theories...
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Meh, the thread really isn\'t about how many people there were so many years ago. I have the faintest idea, but I\'m sure this super volcano exists.
You don\'t have to see it for yourself to know. All the evidence points towards a fact.
It\'s one of five know super volcanoes that all happen to be situated on the ring of fire.
The land of yellow stone park has hot springs everywhere.
The land itself is changing drastically.
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Has this super volcano ever exploded killing "6,000,000,000 primitive man?
Show me the evidence that a super volcano blew its top that many years ago.
Heh, more worried about some theory of a volcano then a more immediate threat: nuclear war
I think the reasoning behind this is that scientists are trying to find something that would cause a mass extinction to everything on Earth...ignoring the great flood.
What caused the ice age? What caused the water that covered the whole Earth to freeze in the North in the South?
What caused the North and South to become cold?
Where did the moon come from?
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Originally posted by Clowd
You know, scientists could say pigs flew 1,000 years ago and you all would believe it.
You tell me o theres all this fossil evidence, but have you seen this evidence?
Or do you realize they are going by what they find in the side of 1 cliff somewhere in Asia?
Vivi may I ask what field you are in?
Geology? Obviously not.
Videoholic, the advant of the nuclear bomb is puts the worlds fate in the hands of man pushing a button.
Titan, you talk like you know all about this volcano, and how there is so much evidence. How about how they proved 6billion men roamed the Earth 100,000 years ago?
Care to explain it to me? Im all ears. Show me the evidence.
First off, I don\'t get where you think they are lieing about this. Second, what field are you in? I don\'t believe you are argueing against this fact. Albert Einstein knew of atoms when nobody knew there was such a thing, and until recently we have been able to see them with a microscope.
God your so ignorant. How can someone that believes in God, something they haven\'t seen NOT believe this? I\'ll find you a link, so you can quit being a smartass.
Edit: Alright Clowd http://dsc.discovery.com/schedule/episode.jsp?episode=22768000
click the link and do something so you can remind yourself to watch the show.
Quote from Discovery.com:
"One of the world\'s largest supervolcanoes, much more powerful than Mt. St. Helens, lies under Yellowstone National Park. The last eruption in Sumatra 70,000 years ago pushed mankind to the edge of extinction; scientists think the next is overdue."
Yes Clowd, they do know what they\'re talking about.
Edit #2: Heres another link, supporting everything I said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/supervolcanoes.shtml
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http://exodus2006.com/yellowmp.gif
OMFG LOOK AT ALL THAT BLOOD!!!!!!!!(#$%&)@% :rolleyes:
I bet it will pass, remember the Y2k bug... boy was that dangerous..... :rolleyes:
God, im way to sarcastic.
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mankind cannot control nature, theres no solution to this.
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I think most of this is a little bit over exaggerated. One giant volcano capable of causing a worldwide disaster in this day and age. During that time that one "super" volcano erupted, most of the nations were in one giant piece, right? So when it erupted it probably killed almost all of those humans because they were all in one area and on one piece of land. This time we invented transportation and the nations have seperated. So if such a thing should happen i\'d doubt it would cause a worldwide disaster.
By the way scientists are fascinated with the thought of such disasters that are capable of ending the world. It could be from Meteors, floods, volcanoes, heat, the ozone layer, and even humans...There\'s no end. Anyways its not that i dont believe such a thing could happen but i wouldnt believe every word of a scientist.;)
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Lets count the global wipeouts of life on Earth,...lets see we got asteroid killing dinosaurs, ice age freezing dinosaurs, volcanoes killing 6 billion men, tsunamies wiping out entire continents and a host of others.
By the way, you need to show me more details. Simply stating that a super volcano blew up 600,000 years ago will erupt again soon is just taking someones word.
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^^^^
Hmm... this seems familiar,
I think you know what I mean :D :D
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Originally posted by Clowd
By the way, you need to show me more details. Simply stating that a super volcano blew up 600,000 years ago will erupt again soon is just taking someones word.
Did you even look at the links or are they wrong too? Face it Clowd, those scientists are smarter than you, and they know a lot more about it than you do.
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Fasten your seatbelts folks.
I suggest a mod closes this, before it starts up again.
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Well, Clowd isn\'t all that dumb. It\'s just that he\'s more stubborn than any donkey(or ass) you can find.
I doubt this super volcano will affect our lives at all. I\'ll be dead and won\'t give a damn by then.
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Clowd I\'m still waiting for you to prove these things wrong, come on genius.
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*sigh*
Clowd it doesn\'t matter when/if the 1st one happened. It doesn\'t matter how many people it killed, or how many people were on the earth back then. What matter is that there\'s cold hard evidence pointing out that Yellowstone is going to blow up. And yes, I\'d say a volcano erupting with 1,000x the force of a normal volcano would send the entire world into a looong winter.
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To play Devil\'s Advocate, your first source Vivi is also from a place that has the \'Bible Code\' posted. No offense, but a lot of that is rubbish in my humble opinion.
And to further stimulate this whole debate. What if it does happen a 1,000 years from now? Does it really matter? We\'ll all be dead. Why should you even care what happens that far in the future?
Also, I don\'t doubt that there is this "ring of fire" , but there is also plenty of other big threats that are more in the present or near future. War? Bombs? Bio-chemical warfare? These things are more concering to me than a volacno eruptting and killing everyone a thousand years from now.
As for Clowd\'s theory that things are getting worst, I don\'t really agree. We had natrual diasters in the past, we had violence in the past and yes, we even had wars in the past. The only difference is the media. I remember when school shootings was constantly happening and people was freaking out about how it had never really happened before. The thing was, it had happened before, it had happened in England, it had happened in some small countries and it had even happened in America. It just did not gain the media attenion that the more recent school shootings did. The same applies to natrual diasters and as for the wars - I\'m sorry, but our wars are nothing compared to those of the past.
And you may want to argue that humanity has became more cruel and took a turn for the worse. Once again, I must disagree. In ancient times it was common to stone someone to death for things we overlook now. It was common for killing people in public to be entertainment and things such as rape and child abuse was overlooked and thought to be "normal". Humanity has not took a turn for the worst. We just like to think we are the victums, when for the most part, we aren\'t. This generation has had no great war and we sure in the hell haven\'t had to worry about being stoned to death in public for things we think are minor now\'a\'days. Sure, you may have to worry about being killed or raped, but you would of had the same worry in ancient times and the same worry will continue on in the future. It\'s mankind.
My point to this rant? 1) I don\'t care how we die. There isn\'t something I can do to stop it, so why bother caring about it? 2) Natrual diasters are just that..natrual. We can\'t stop them. We can only prepare for them. 3) Mankind isn\'t getting worst. It\'s in your head. 4) A thousand year\'s is to far ahead for me to care about. I\'m more concerned with the present and even then, I will not lose a nights sleep over what may happen tommorw world wide.
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And to further stimulate this whole debate. What if it does happen a 1,000 years from now? Does it really matter? We\'ll all be dead. Why should you even care what happens that far in the future?
The thread was merely to point out the existence of the volcano and to discuss it...it wasn\'t by any means to stir things up. Does it matter? I think it\'s interesting.
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Clowd is a ****face. It\'s true.
Prove me wrong Clowd.
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Originally posted by Samwise
Clowd is a ****face. It\'s true.
Prove me wrong Clowd.
????? :confused:
Vivi, prove you wrong? You have not proved yourself right.
This theory is all soft. They can say anything they want and you can not prove it true or false.
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My proof is science, and there is no proof proving it wrong.
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Science equals out to men with theorys that end up being contested by other men over time and time again.
Faith equals out to men who believe in something without see\'ing it and is contested over time and time again.
Where\'s the proof in either one of these?
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Genetics, geology, and volcanic activity is proof enough to me.
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Originally posted by ViVi
Genetics, geology, and volcanic activity is proof enough to me.
Damn right. I\'m very scientific. I don\'t believe in theology (God, religion). It can\'t be scientifically proven.
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Originally posted by Titan
Damn right. I\'m very scientific. I don\'t believe in theology (God, religion). It can\'t be scientifically proven.
You should recognize science as a religion in its self that requires faith.
The big bang can\'t and will never be proven and a host of other scientific theories as well.
If your so scientific you must admit that it takes a certain amount of \'faith\' to believe in some of the theories that are out there.
Your \'science\' knew that the Earth was flat, your science knew that flys came from rotting meat spontaneously, imagine what they will know in the coming years, you think science as a grasp on the world around us, puh, they dont even know what electrons look like, or why a flag waves in the wind....
You call apeman, incomplete species, fish with legs scientific? Funny there have been no skeletons found of them. So you believe in something that cant be seen or proved? But you say it must have happened.
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You should recognize science as a religion in its self that requires faith.
I don\'t care if I need to have faith in religion because I don\'t believe in it. Simple, huh?
The big bang can\'t and will never be proven and a host of other scientific theories as well.
There is some evidence. Patterns in the way the stars move, things like that. I don\'t feel like researching it right now.
If your so scientific you must admit that it takes a certain amount of \'faith\' to believe in some of the theories that are out there.
I never said I have faith in the Big Bang theory and evolution and stuff. I believe in it, I don\'t have faith in it.
Your \'science\' knew that the Earth was flat, your science knew that flys came from rotting meat spontaneously, imagine what they will know in the coming years,
Science never said the earth was flat. People believed it. Besides, that was during the middle ages and there was no such thing as science until the Renaissance. When the Renaissance period came, people realized the earth was round. Science never said anything about htat
you think science as a grasp on the world around us, puh, they dont even know what electrons look like, or why a flag waves in the wind....
You\'re an idiot. they\'ve seen electrons with an electron microscope and a flag waves in the wind because its thin and light enough.
You call apeman, incomplete species, fish with legs scientific? Funny there have been no skeletons found of them. So you believe in something that cant be seen or proved? But you say it must have happened.
What the f*ck are you talking about? I don\'t even have a clue what you are saying here.
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Originally posted by Clowd
You call apeman, incomplete species, fish with legs scientific? Funny there have been no skeletons found of them. So you believe in something that cant be seen or proved? But you say it must have happened.
I can\'t believe you said that. If there is one post that proves your ignorance and stubborness, it must be this one. You obviously don\'t research anything you say. There has been many skeletons found of apemen. They know this because of where the hole for the spinal cord to enter the skull went. If it was in the back of the head it showed signs of having use of arms for support. Today you can see it\'s on the bottom of the skull, showing that we walk upright.
Don\'t bother replying Clowd. The only thing you\'ve proved in this thread is how stubborn you can be.
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Titan you really think they have seen what electrons look like? Pity....the rest of your post was full of some incredibly weird stuff
If your not bias to either side you can easily tell that Vivi and Titan are being very rediculous indeed..
I could wast time off my life picking your replys apart to expose how funny they are but I wont, it is no use talking to you 2, you both don\'t listen and find it necessary to try and come back on everything I say which makes you look like a fool when you cant but you make a desperate attempt to do so.
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Well you see Clowd, we\'re debating with intellegence and back it up with more than one thing. You on the other hand have one idea in your mind, and insist it\'s better than scientists that spend they\'re whole life revolving around a subject.
EDIT: Care to explain how you are not bias. Just clear up the skeleton arguement I\'ll rest my case.
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I never said I wasnt bias
So show me a skeleton of an ape man or just fossils that show an incomplete animal
EDIT: Happy hunting for photos that dont exist
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(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chineseprehistory.org%2F%2Fyunxian3.gif&hash=4de2a61fb858375df4e6a840e96fba7942296c3f)
well that took what.... 5 minutes?
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Clowd - LIC.. there\'s a difference between religous faith and scientific theories. Scientific theories have ocassionally been proven right. The whole of our technology (aside from mistakes like what made plastic) is based off of people making educated guesses based on what they currently know.. testing those theories.. and then going back to further refine their theories based on weither or not the experiment was successful or not. A perfect example is something that Titan touched upon.. the "flat world".
Back in the days of Copurnicus.. the vast majority of people and people believed the world was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth. Many scholors, however, thought that the Earth was round and revolved around the sun. They couldn\'t prove their theorys.. only make educated guesses. Now, in todays world of space travel and super high powered telescopes.. we can PROVE that that Conpernicus and the ancient scholors were right.
Right now, you\'re just looking at current theories and saying "Well that can\'t be proven so it\'s no better than religeous faith". However, that\'s overlooking the countless theories scientists and scholors have come up with before and HAVE proven.. yet.. where has faith ever proven itself? Where has the church ever proven anything of what they say to be true? Sure scientific theories are usual wrong, incomplete, or mis-interpreted 80% of the time.. but over the years the score is something like 10,000 Science - Religeon 0.
This is why I have far more faith in science when talking about real-world applications and discoveries than the bible.
you think science as a grasp on the world around us, puh, they dont even know what electrons look like, or why a flag waves in the wind.... - Clowd
Heh.. you must be joking. Well, since I don\'t have all the facts about seeing electrons I can\'t debate that.. but as for the flag waving.. well look at it this way. Air is made up of the same things everything else is... atoms - matter. K? It also has all the properties of matter.. it has weight, momentum, density.. ect. Weight is simply how fast or hard an object pulls against a certain amount of gravity. (Usually measured by earth gravity since that\'s where we live.. it\'s used as our base unit and called G\'s) This is why there\'s air on the earth.. because the earth\'s mass pulls down on the air\'s molocules just like everything else. (By compairison, the moon\'s mass isn\'t enough to keep air\'s light molocules close to it, thus it\'s vented into space were it put there.
Ok.. so now that that\'s established, we can talk about friction. If the earth were perfectly smooth there would be no wind since there would be nothing to "catch" the air molocules and push them along as the earth rotates. As it is, everything on the surface of the earth act as a kind of sail which catches air molocules and pushes them along.. which in turn pushes the air molocules in front of them. Kind of like a fan does. On a grand scale, the resulting chaos has come to be known as our weather patterns.
So now we\'ve established how air flows. You know by feeling the wind that it does indeed push against other objects (due to it\'s mass). Now, a flag is nothing more than a thin strip of cloth. When the air pushes against it, it pushes with enough force to lift the flag perpedicular to the ground since the flag itself doesn\'t have enough mass for the earth\'s gravity to hold onto. (Much like air itself) Well, it does.. but I\'ll talk about that in a second. Normally the flag would just fly off with the wind.. but since it\'s anchored to a pole at one end usually it cannot. The force of the wind pushing the flag fighting against the force of the pole pulling the flag back against the wind causes the flag to unfurl and wave in the wind. (Every force exerted has an equal force pushing back against it.. this is what gives a gun recoil, rockets their propulsion, and makes your fist hurt when you hit a wall) The "flapping" comes from the wind not being strong enough to fight gravity and changes in the wind\'s speed and direction. A strong enough wind WILL hold a flag almost perfectly streight out.
So there ya have it.. why a flag flaps in the wind.
Science never said the earth was flat. People believed it. Besides, that was during the middle ages and there was no such thing as science until the Renaissance. When the Renaissance period came, people realized the earth was round. Science never said anything about htat - Titan
Acutally most people already knew that the earth was round well before the renaissance came to being. The time that the "Flat earth" theory was really popular was durring the greek empire.. but even then most scholors and learned individuals already knew it was round anyhow. The only thing Columbus proved is that India is a f*ck of a lot farther from Spain going west than by going east.
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Originally posted by Clowd
I never said I wasnt bias
So show me a skeleton of an ape man or just fossils that show an incomplete animal
EDIT: Happy hunting for photos that dont exist
Holy f*cking shit you are so stupid :laughing:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/specimen.html
A full site with pictures and explanation about the ages and stuff.
Sonyfan:Acutally most people already knew that the earth was round well before the renaissance came to being. The time that the "Flat earth" theory was really popular was durring the greek empire.. but even then most scholors and learned individuals already knew it was round anyhow. The only thing Columbus proved is that India is a f*ck of a lot farther from Spain going west than by going east.
Whatever, my point was still the same. Megellan proved that the earth was round by sailing from port, around South America to the Phillipines, got killed and the survivors went around Africa to port again. Columbus, to his dying day, believed he went to the Indies. Just a bit of info. Oh and Columbus never did discover America. We found Viking coins and stuff here in America that date back to the Vikings (ships, weapons, coins, remains)
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Well, actually.. the Vikings didn\'t discover America either. If you wanna get technical, the first known humans in the Americas were the Clovis Indians who migrated through Mongolia & Russia through the Bering streight back when it was a land-bridge. Actually, there were probably humans in America even before that since evidence has been found which indicates pre-clovis cultures which migrated along the western seaboard. However it\'s not something we can readily prove. Water levels were much lower then because alot of it was in the form of glaciers durring the Ice-Age. Evidence suggests primitive boats were used to skim the coast from Alaska down to the tips of South America. Any landings they made to camp & rest would have long been covered by the water when sea levels rose again after the Ice Age.
And yes, I know Columbus thought he had found the Indies.. but everyone else knew better when the cartography charts he drew on his four voyages failed to resemeble anything like what they knew of India.
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Originally posted by SonyFan
Well, actually.. the Vikings didn\'t discover America either. If you wanna get technical, the first known humans in the Americas were the Clovis Indians who migrated through Mongolia & Russia through the Bering streight back when it was a land-bridge. Actually, there were probably humans in America even before that since evidence has been found which indicates pre-clovis cultures which migrated along the western seaboard. However it\'s not something we can readily prove. Water levels were much lower then because alot of it was in the form of glaciers durring the Ice-Age. Evidence suggests primitive boats were used to skim the coast from Alaska down to the tips of South America. Any landings they made to camp & rest would have long been covered by the water when sea levels rose again after the Ice Age.
I wasn\'t trying to be technical ;) But yeah, your right. I forgot about the indians.
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Originally posted by SonyFan
So now we\'ve established how air flows. You know by feeling the wind that it does indeed push against other objects (due to it\'s mass). Now, a flag is nothing more than a thin strip of cloth. When the air pushes against it, it pushes with enough force to lift the flag perpedicular to the ground since the flag itself doesn\'t have enough mass for the earth\'s gravity to hold onto. (Much like air itself) Well, it does.. but I\'ll talk about that in a second. Normally the flag would just fly off with the wind.. but since it\'s anchored to a pole at one end usually it cannot. The force of the wind pushing the flag fighting against the force of the pole pulling the flag back against the wind causes the flag to unfurl and wave in the wind. (Every force exerted has an equal force pushing back against it.. this is what gives a gun recoil, rockets their propulsion, and makes your fist hurt when you hit a wall) The "flapping" comes from the wind not being strong enough to fight gravity and changes in the wind\'s speed and direction. A strong enough wind WILL hold a flag almost perfectly streight out.
So there ya have it.. why a flag flaps in the wind.
Its not that simple.
Tests have shown that even the straightest cloths and the straights winds in lab conditions do not produce a straight flowing material, rather it waves all the time...watched it on World News Tonght about a year ago.
Ask Bossieman if he knows what an electron looks like
And the debate about what something as common as what light is still rages on
Oh and Vivi and Titan I said skeleton not skulls. I wonder why so many skulls have been found but no skeletons? The one skeleton pic they had was incomplete and was about as human as it gets, but they said \'he was late in his changing stage\' so tahts why he was so human...
And if there was 6 billion primitive men 100,000 years ago wheres their skeletons? Im quite sure they would be easier to find then dinosaur bones.
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Clowd, first off.. do you have any idea how difficult it is to realiably calculate the effects of fluid mechanics on deformable bodies in three dimensions? It can\'t be done on pen & paper unless the subject studying it is an extreeme mathematical prodigy. I\'m talking, someone who makes the Rainman look like he flunked elementary mathematics.
There\'s a litteral ton of unanswered questions out there because we have simply lacked the tools to discover their properties until recently. In this case, computers capable of keeping track and real-time calculation of a plethora of different factors. And it\'s not exactly like this feild of study was at the forefront of the scientific agenda. This universe is extremely complex.. and even the smallest forces, many of which we can\'t see due to their subtlety, (some of which we haven\'t been discovered yet) act upon what we CAN see constantly.
Science is a process of discovery, questioning, researching, and discovering more. It\'s no-where near it\'s apogee yet.. but just because science is incomplete doesn\'t mean what we have discovered is invalidated. The technological paradice we live in today is testiment to prove that science works.. even if we don\'t know everything about everything yet.
You say scientists haven\'t figured out what makes a flag flap in the wind.. (when actually they\'ve figured out most of it with only a few niggling key questions left.) and use that to discount science. Yet I can point to a VERY new feild of science which is nothing but complete theory... and very poorly understood ones at that. However, we do understand that there is something there, and have figured out how to manipulate/mimic it. I\'m talking about Quantum Mechanics.. another feild only recently explored in the late 20th century due to the advent of computers which made previously impossible mathematical computations into working models and simulations. Two fruits of this are the ability to measure a human hair without ever actually having the human hair there to measure.. or tools to measure it with (*It\'s been demonstrated*) and Quantum Teleportation. It\'s nowhere near StarTrek or SciFi inspired levels at this point.. however they have sent electrons - data - from one point of the globe to nearly the other side without wires, sattelites, radios, or any other transmitting devices.
As for the skeletons, skeletons have been found. Watch Discovery or TLC specials about it someday when the museum curators are taking the filming team on a tour of their warehouses. The skulls are most commonly pictured because they\'re the easiest to recognise to yer average Joe Blow as being different.. not to mention that photos of skulls are naturally more appealing to people than femurs or falangies since it actually puts a face - and in some ways a personification to the creature found. Not to mention that skulls are the densest grouping of bone in the human body (along with the pelvis which is also often found) and thus more likely to survive the years without being crushed, scattered, or hauled away by scavengers.
There were not 6 billion primitive men 100,000 years ago.. that site\'s got it\'s figures wrong. I would guesstimate that they probably typ0\'d and put in a few extra zeros either by mistake or for shock value to bring all the more attention to the point they were trying to get across.
Also.. you seems to insinuate that Dinosaurs are all part of one family of creature. They\'re not. Humans, while we have many ancestors.. pale in compairison to INCREADIBE diversity found in the hundreds of millions of years of their time on earth. We haven\'t found even close to a thousanth of the species of dinosaur that are thought to have inhabited the earth (when compairing a fraction of time then to our current biological diversity within - say Mammals or Reptiles) They\'re bones are easier to find because they simply are far more prevelant.. and by sheer number they have a greater chance of finding just the right conditions for fossilization.
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Originally posted by SonyFan
Clowd, first off.. do you have any idea how difficult it is to realiably calculate the effects of fluid mechanics on deformable bodies in three dimensions? It can\'t be done on pen & paper unless the subject studying it is an extreeme mathematical prodigy. I\'m talking, someone who makes the Rainman look like he flunked elementary mathematics.
They showed a bit of his experiment, it had physical variables so it wasnt just written out.
He said he had half the math done, I was wondering what he was talking about, what does math have to do with this? Now I know.
As for the rest of your post, well, I have no reply, well typed.
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Originally posted by Clowd
Oh and Vivi and Titan I said skeleton not skulls. I wonder why so many skulls have been found but no skeletons? The one skeleton pic they had was incomplete and was about as human as it gets, but they said \'he was late in his changing stage\' so tahts why he was so human...
And if there was 6 billion primitive men 100,000 years ago wheres their skeletons? Im quite sure they would be easier to find then dinosaur bones.
Did you know fossilization is a long process that won\'t guarentee results. Ever notice that the skulls aren\'t complete? Ever notice Homo Sapien Neandertalis and Homo Sapien are complete? They just take the skulls (don\'t ask why, I don\'t give a rat\'s ass).
Fossilization takes a long time to happen. ROCK replaces the CALCIUM in the bones. That\'s why it is rare to find a complete skeleton because during fossilization, its not perfectly covered in mud, water whatever (minerals) so the calcium deteriorates. Thats why of all the dinosaurs found, only like .1% are found (actually smaller) and are NEVER complete.
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Clowd did you even read my post?! I already explained how they can tell by the evolution of it by the spinal cord hole. Do you have your neck on the back of your head?