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Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: SwifDi on September 04, 2002, 10:15:38 PM
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Argentina pulled off a victory that until recently was considered nearly impossible, defeating the United States 87-80 in the World Championships.


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"I\'m embarrassed to be on the team that took the first loss. We can still go out and win the gold medal, but we\'re still \'that\' team,\'\' Paul Pierce said.


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"I\'m embarrassed,\'\' Baron Davis said.


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The United States never led, was tied only once, trailed by as many as 20 and couldn\'t mount an adequate comeback down the stretch.


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Reggie (Miller) brought us together,\'\' Pierce said. "He said the world is against us. The world, the stands, the refs are all against us. The only thing we can do is go out and play hard the rest of the games and get the gold medal"


Keep in mind....

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The defeat did not knock the Americans out of the tournament, but gave them a lower seed for the medal round. They will play Yugoslavia in the quarterfinals Thursday and could get another shot at Argentina over the weekend.


Source: espn.com

http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2002/0904/1427403.html


I\'m actually really disappointed.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: Luke on September 04, 2002, 10:21:40 PM
it was bound to happen someday.

i wasnt as surprised as id thought id be.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: luckee on September 04, 2002, 10:27:07 PM
All good things come to an end eventually :)
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: SER on September 05, 2002, 01:47:36 AM
lol, what a shame, well sorta.. If they don\'t win the championship, that will even suck more.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: Bozco on September 05, 2002, 01:53:45 AM
That is pretty embarressing.  But you can\'t win them all.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: mejilan on September 05, 2002, 08:00:54 AM
I\'m not at all a sports fan, and honestly couldn\'t care less.  But I\'m pretty sure that if you pit our best team against Argentina, we\'d kill them.  As it stands, that wasn\'t our best team just a collection of good players forced to act like a team for awhile.

Still, being the son of an Argentine, I can\'t help but smile at who it was that will finally go down in the books for accomplishing this feat!  Bien jugado, Argentina.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: GmanJoe on September 05, 2002, 08:01:48 AM
58 years? No. You meant 58 game winning streak.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: Knotter8 on September 05, 2002, 08:45:57 AM
No offense, but maybe..... it\'s about time the USA isn\'t
the best at bball anymore.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: Seed_Of_Evil on September 05, 2002, 08:46:31 AM
Don\'t worry guys, the world cup is for Spain :p
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: Bozco on September 05, 2002, 09:17:08 AM
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Originally posted by Knotter8
No offense, but maybe..... it\'s about time the USA isn\'t
the best at bball anymore.


Haha, no not really.  And one loss wouldn\'t make them not the best.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: Coredweller on September 05, 2002, 09:54:52 AM
The USA lost because they sucked.  Simple as that.  They deserved to lose.  Argentina played the game the way it\'s supposed to be played - by playing good defense, sacrificing, good foul shooting, basically playing AS A TEAM.

The USA team was made up of a bunch of hot dogging second raters who aren\'t used to the concept of playing as a team, even when they are playing with their own real teams.  The top level NBA players are no longer interested in representing their country in these competitions because they\'re a bunch of self centered overpaid showboaters who only care about the money and the honeys.  

The team that wins the NBA championship should be FORCED to represent the USA in the world championship, or the Olympics, whichever applies.  It should be a condition of their contracts.  After all, how can they call themselves "the world champions" if they didn\'t really win the world championship?  Instead we get jagoffs like Kobe Bryant blowing off the Olympics because he has to get married to some chick he knocked up.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: Bozco on September 05, 2002, 10:01:45 AM
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Instead we get jagoffs like Kobe Bryant blowing off the Olympics because he has to get married to some chick he knocked up.


Genius comment right here. :rolleyes:
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: Coredweller on September 05, 2002, 10:58:59 AM
If you had to choose between representing your nation in the Olympic Games, and rescheduling your wedding, which would you choose, mister eyeroller?
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: kopking on September 05, 2002, 12:49:52 PM
yeah but euro 2004 is englands
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: SwifDi on September 05, 2002, 01:02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Coredweller
If you had to choose between representing your nation in the Olympic Games, and rescheduling your wedding, which would you choose, mister eyeroller?


I\'m sorry buddy but I\'d without hesitation choose my bride. The guy isn\'t a focking robot that plays basketball, believe it or not Cored but some NBA Players have personal lives.

I\'m sure he\'ll be in the next olympics. The guy is only 23.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: shockwaves on September 05, 2002, 01:13:48 PM
I agree about Kobe...

But, yeah, I\'m glad they lost.  Maybe they\'ll start to treat these things like actual games, instead of just exhibitions of their dominance.  Maybe a few more alley oops and a little more defense would do them good.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: Bozco on September 05, 2002, 01:15:16 PM
Seems like its pretty obvious which answer is the right answer Cored.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: kopking on September 05, 2002, 01:25:50 PM
well i would of know what time the oylimpics were, so like i would have set the dat like in off season or when the oylmpics aint on.....


but then again doing oylimpic basketball must not be as good as say world cup cos your almost gaurenteed usa will win it
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: Coredweller on September 05, 2002, 02:57:29 PM
The answer is not obvious dude.

I guess when David Stern and the entire NBA is hailing you as the next Michael Jordan, you have the luxury of blowing off your nation.  For most amateur atheletes, competing in the Olympics is an honor, a priviledge, and a responsibility[/i]  You have to take every opportunity you get to participate, because you might not get another one.  By declining his opportunity to compete in the Olympics, Kobe Bryant pissed on the entire amateur tradition of the games.  Amateurs have to structure their personal lives around competition schedules, not the other way around.

The Olympics are not just a job like playing an 82 game season in the NBA, yet Kobe Bryant doesn\'t recognize any difference.  To him it\'s just another press conference and another photo op.  You think he believes "what the hell, I\'ll just be on the team next time."  I think he really doesn\'t give a damn one way or the other.  That\'s what hacks me off.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: SER on September 05, 2002, 03:30:47 PM
If I were Kobe, in any situation, I would have still picked to attend the wedding. :D
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: kirath on September 05, 2002, 04:25:53 PM
Good for Argentina, they got nothing else going for em, they needed a little sports pick-me-up!  Being the big brother the US is, Im glad we took one as a team.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: Bozco on September 05, 2002, 05:37:53 PM
Family before work, always.  Especially your own weeding, jesus.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: Fayded on September 05, 2002, 06:53:11 PM
Yep, as much as i hate Kobe i agree that it was the right choice for him to go to the wedding.



And about the US not having the best bball team, pfft, one loss doesn\'t mean shit. If we put our best out there, and they play like a team (which is unlikely) nobody could beat us.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: luckee on September 05, 2002, 06:58:49 PM
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake


I\'m sorry buddy but I\'d without hesitation choose my bride. The guy isn\'t a focking robot that plays basketball, believe it or not Cored but some NBA Players have personal lives.

I\'m sure he\'ll be in the next olympics. The guy is only 23.


mucho props vapor..probably the most intelligent thing I have seen you say in here. Im with you as well. These guys really look forward to doing their thing in the off-season whether it is simply living it up spending their millions or being with their families. I would turn the games down as well.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: luckee on September 05, 2002, 07:05:01 PM
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Originally posted by Coredweller
The answer is not obvious dude.

I guess when David Stern and the entire NBA is hailing you as the next Michael Jordan, you have the luxury of blowing off your nation.  For most amateur atheletes, competing in the Olympics is an honor, a priviledge, and a responsibility[/i]  You have to take every opportunity you get to participate, because you might not get another one.  By declining his opportunity to compete in the Olympics, Kobe Bryant pissed on the entire amateur tradition of the games.  Amateurs have to structure their personal lives around competition schedules, not the other way around.

The Olympics are not just a job like playing an 82 game season in the NBA, yet Kobe Bryant doesn\'t recognize any difference.  To him it\'s just another press conference and another photo op.  You think he believes "what the hell, I\'ll just be on the team next time."  I think he really doesn\'t give a damn one way or the other.  That\'s what hacks me off.


Screw that..it is an honor and a priviledge, but certainly not ones responsibility. The US could care less who is actually competing as long as they dominate.

Who cares if he pissed on amatuer tradition, he is no longer one. They dont have to do anything they do not want to do, other than contractual stipulations.

Who cares if he doesnt give a damn, they are many more good players who do. Why should he be forced to compete in something that will take away he free time if he doesnt wish too?
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: shockwaves on September 05, 2002, 07:32:16 PM
HAHAHA...USA lost again.  58-2.  We don\'t even medal now.

Oh, and by the way, Kobe was completely correct to turn down the World Championships for his wedding.  It\'s nice to see he has his priorities straight.  How you can say he should be postponing his own wedding for basketball, I don\'t care what basketball it is, is something I can\'t understand.  It\'s just a game, sometimes people need to remember that.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: luckee on September 05, 2002, 07:48:28 PM
stojakoic and divac has good game going for  yugoslavia though.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: SER on September 06, 2002, 02:19:50 AM
omg, they lost again. Play like a team or lose I guess.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: SwifDi on September 06, 2002, 01:22:02 PM
Too many hotheaded ballhogs out there.

Personally I hate Paul Pierce.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: shockwaves on September 06, 2002, 06:18:07 PM
Personally, I hate most of that damn team.  I also hate the people who decided not to join that team for bullshit reasons.  Kobe, he had a real reason.  There were others that didn\'t.

If we threw out like Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, Kidd, and Kobe, we would never come within 40 points of losing.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: luckee on September 06, 2002, 08:16:02 PM
Sure we could, since they wouldnt know how to play as a team either. :)
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: theomen on September 06, 2002, 08:31:03 PM
I think that they should just put whatever team is the current champion, into the world championships.  And make it manditory.  That way we have a TEAM out there, and not just a bunch of scorers.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: shockwaves on September 06, 2002, 08:41:59 PM
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Originally posted by luckee
Sure we could, since they wouldnt know how to play as a team either. :)


Neither do certain NBA teams.  With that talent, it wouldn\'t matter.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: luckee on September 06, 2002, 08:46:52 PM
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Originally posted by theomen
I think that they should just put whatever team is the current champion, into the world championships.  And make it manditory.  That way we have a TEAM out there, and not just a bunch of scorers.


Then you will really start seeing ppl not playing if they make it manditory. That would be a mistake.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: Luke on September 06, 2002, 09:08:12 PM
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Originally posted by theomen
I think that they should just put whatever team is the current champion, into the world championships.  And make it manditory.  That way we have a TEAM out there, and not just a bunch of scorers.



i always thought this would be cool


could you imagine the 92 bulls whupin up on the world!


that woulda been great.
Title: A 58 year win streak... and the USA finally falls to Argentina.
Post by: Bozco on September 06, 2002, 09:18:38 PM
But many NBA players go back to play for their home country so that probably wouldn\'t work.