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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: Unicron! on September 08, 2002, 11:42:37 AM
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Its got the coolest,stylishest characters,a great variety of characters,best story in a fighting game,the best variety of martial arts each controlled completely different,best functionality of the surroundings,tons of moves to master,huge number of combos to create etc.
Also some people will find me strange but I personally see Tekken4\'s visuals almost as good as VF4\'s and DOA3\'s.
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VF4 did not have good graphics. Sure, the facial models and textures were good, but there were just too many jaggies to make it enjoyable.
From what I have seen in vids, Tekken 4 is certainly very similar to DOA3 graphics wise, particularly when using progressive scan. Very clean.
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Sure Tekken 4 has better graphics, but I don\'t think you can even compare it gameplay wise.
EGM busted Tekken 4 pretty hard the last issue and rightfully so. It doesn\'t seem to be progressing any. Hopefully Tekken 5 (provided it is made) will have some mass overhauls, otherwise the series has nothing to offer.
*shrugs*
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Only question I got is Whats up with king? Hes all ghey now and stuff! And since when is armor king dead?!
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Well I remember hearing something like Namco saying that Tekken 4 is only 30% of what they envision for Tekken as a whole.
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Either way..Im a tekken slut and will own this one as well. I hope I can enjoy it.
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Tekken rocks.
I found VF4 really boring. Bring on Soul Calibur 2 Namco!
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I got tekken 4 on order. Cant wait.
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As long as its better than that piece of crap known as VF4. Barbarian was better than VF4.
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tekken is the the definition of a good fighting game i dont kno how people can play VF4 and say its a DEEP fighter i play it against my friends all the time and i try to see the deepness but how deep is a game where all the people u fight just love to sweep u wit that oh so annoying " swooooooooooosh" and then stomp the hell out of ur head with a high flying manuveur cause thats all they ever do. r my friend s the only ones who play like that?
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Yea, such an awesome game! i got the j.ntsc version and still play the game like everytime i switch on my ps2. :bounce:
i thought VF4 is kinda good or at least "playable" for me,...so i had a rent from video-store, but man,...that game sux... only buttons smashing is the way to go, never ever spend my hard earned money on this game, i swear to myself,...
on the other hand, tekken series just good,...no more to say. :p
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Tekken 4 sucks period. VF4 is the best 3D fighting game ever!
Here\'s why:
(1) Superior animation in VF4. Tekken 4 animation is just isn\'t realistic especially when the fighters got hit. It\'s always the same one or 2 animation. VF4 u can different attack and the characters react to the way u\'re hit.
(2) Better fighters. A well balanced variety of fighters that\'s actually close to real martial art style, not the made up mix-n-match fighters in Tekken 4.
(3) Better 3D background graphics all the way.
(4) Superior AI.
Button mashing??? ha! I can button smash all the way with Tekken 4.
The only advantage of Tekken 4 is sharper graphics compared to VF4 jaggies.
This is how I rate these 2 series so far:
VF1 vs T1 - Both on equal in terms of revolution
VF2 vs T2 - T2 has superior graphics. Gameplay about same.
VF3 vs T3 - The DC version of VF3 sucks..give me T3 anytime. T3 was also the best Tekken game so far.
VF4 vs T4 -VF4 wins hands down in terms of graphics and revolution.
So there!!
Oh, and I\'m eagerly waiting for SC2, which I think beats both VF and Tekken!
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In my opinion VF4 lacked depth. I am not looking for some realistic martial arts game. All I wanna do is pound the hell outta my oponent.
This is why the Tekken series has always been more popular mainstream.
Do you really think the average person wants to learn all these different combo\'s?
NO. What Tekken lacks in \'so called depth and realism\' it more then makes up for in graphics, style, and pure arcade bliss.
Soul Calibur is a different type of game because its weaponed baed, but SC on DC certainly rocked.
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Originally posted by Paul
Tekken 4 sucks period. VF4 is the best 3D fighting game ever!
Here\'s why:
(1) Superior animation in VF4. Tekken 4 animation is just isn\'t realistic especially when the fighters got hit. It\'s always the same one or 2 animation. VF4 u can different attack and the characters react to the way u\'re hit.
(2) Better fighters. A well balanced variety of fighters that\'s actually close to real martial art style, not the made up mix-n-match fighters in Tekken 4.
(3) Better 3D background graphics all the way.
(4) Superior AI.
Button mashing??? ha! I can button smash all the way with Tekken 4.
The only advantage of Tekken 4 is sharper graphics compared to VF4 jaggies.
This is how I rate these 2 series so far:
VF1 vs T1 - Both on equal in terms of revolution
VF2 vs T2 - T2 has superior graphics. Gameplay about same.
VF3 vs T3 - The DC version of VF3 sucks..give me T3 anytime. T3 was also the best Tekken game so far.
VF4 vs T4 -VF4 wins hands down in terms of graphics and revolution.
So there!!
Oh, and I\'m eagerly waiting for SC2, which I think beats both VF and Tekken!
(1)Look closely and you will see the same is for Tekken4.You will see them holding their stomachs,lose their steps,look dizzy,confused,twist etc.Even when blocking they react differently.Actually Tekken introduced that more than VF before.
(2)Namco made sure Tekken4 wont have clone like characters.The similarest characters are Kazuya and Heihachi but again they have different tactics.VF has Lau with Pai and Jackie with Sarah as similar characters.Although similar they use different strategy to win too.But I think Tekken4\'s characters are more distinguishable.Paul,Lei,Law,Jin,Kazuya,Steve,Nina,Bob,Kuma,Graig,Lee,Yoshi....They are all differently controlled.
edited:Jeed Kune Do,TaeKwonDo,Judo,Aikido,Wrestilng,ValeTudo,Hakke-Sho/Hika-Ken,Shaolin Animal stances,Capoeira,ShinirokugoKen,KickBoxing,Boxing,Karate(Okinaua style I think).....Sure Sarah and Jackie dont look much like JeedKuneDo martial artists.
(3)Not that grater.Also T4\'s backrounds have more functionality.
(4)Cant disagree
T4?Button mashing?Hell!!I could beat all Tekkens single "handedly" but the first time I was playing Tekken4 I kept losing on stage1,2 and 3 until I find the way.
VF4 isnt THAT revolutional.The only VF that revolutionised fighting games was VF3 introducing free roaming multi level arenas for the first time.
Finally I personally see Tekken\'s LP,RP,LK,RK control scheme giving more freedom and more variety to the way each character play and feel.Its the same way u think in real martial arts.You have four limbs and according to the kind of martial art and situation u use them accordingly just like in real life.
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I\'m not the biggest fighter fan but I found VF4 the most fun.
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aint played tekken 4 yet, had vf4 at first i thought it was very good..... but then i dunno, didnt live up to my expectations....
cant wait to play tekken 4, havent played tekken 3 for so long.. ive been banned by all my mates from playing it..... i was to good, and no one could beat me.... i was real god, i prob ok now, but suck compared to what i was like....
cant wait for sc2 either, any ideas of pal release of t4??
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Check this out.Its the coolest Tekken ending IMO and it makes me want it to become a movie even more.It also gives a hint that there will be a new Tekken.
Introducing Jin and Howarang kicking some ass.Together.
http://pows.webmonster.de/dcm/video/t4/t4-end-bob.wmv
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tekken is the the definition of a good fighting game i dont kno how people can play VF4 and say its a DEEP fighter i play it against my friends all the time and i try to see the deepness but how deep is a game where all the people u fight just love to sweep u wit that oh so annoying " swooooooooooosh" and then stomp the hell out of ur head with a high flying manuveur cause thats all they ever do. r my friend s the only ones who play like that?
Don\'t confuse lack of depth with bad playing skills. You just suck at the game. Anyone who even has a remote clue on how to play VF4 with any given character can avoid that "swoosh" sweep.
In my opinion VF4 lacked depth. I am not looking for some realistic martial arts game. All I wanna do is pound the hell outta my oponent.
Do you realize you contradicted yourself? You don\'t want a game that has realisitic martial arts, like VF4 - Yet you say it lacked depth? You just want to "pound the hella outta my opponent" - well, that means you want a game that lacks depth , which could be the reason you didn\'t like VF4. Tekken simply is not near as deep as VF4.
And I\'m sorry, but beyond Jin the Tekken series has the worst character design. A giant beer / panda? Jesus...
Tekken 2 was the highlight of the series. And as for Nacmo\'s 30% comment, well, it is no excuse for them to say that Tekken 4 is only 30% of what they envision the sequel. They should of made it more liker at least 70%, instead they opted to be lazy.
/me waits for Soul Calibur 2 , but has a feeling it will suck. Damn multi-platform games. They never turn out the way you want \'em to.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
And I\'m sorry, but beyond Jin the Tekken series has the worst character design. A giant beer / panda? Jesus...
Wait a sec there.Because of some stupid looking characters like that BEAR it doesnt mean the series had the worse character design.Tekken\'s good characters have a better impact than the ones of the VF series.Lets see.Jackie...a spiky blond haired man,his sister Sarah,a blond haired girl,Jeffry a bearded African looking man,Lau a Tao Pipi(DragonBall) looking asian,Pai just a chinese girl,Wolf a typical wrestler etc.
I found only Akira,Lion and Shun very distinct.
Vf\'s characters are good.Nod bad.Not the greatest either.They are too typical looking.
The tiger voice and mask make King,the mysterious lioned glance,hair and the thunderus gloves make Jin,the long red haired and not common seen TaeKwonDo clothing make Bob,the maniac looking "universal soldier" is bryan,the Bruce Lee like moustache,voice and moves make Law,Chackie Chan like long haired cop is lei etc....When u see some specific characteristics they make u say "oh that reminds me of that character".
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Bah, the tiger guy sucked. To make matter worst, all the characters in the default selection in T4 are crummy..except for maybe Christie(just to oogle at her boobs) and that Chinese girl, forgot her name.
And i TOTALLY disagree about VF4 same as T4 in terms of character reaction animation. Try kicking someone from the back and u\'ll see how realistic is VF4 compared to T4 which seems to jump a few frames of animation quite frequently and the characters just look out of placed.
As for not able to pass stage 1,2,3...in T4..I really have no words but U SUCK. I don\'t mean to offend but I can just whip to the end without so much of a sweat but just using a few same tactics(more like non-tactic random smashing).
All the characters in VF4 are fairly distinguishble with their style and u need to exploit their strength and weakness to win. I could play this game for a few years and not bored with it.
The lei fang(the monk guy, was it Lei Fang? Can\'t remember) characters in VF4 is a joy to play and behold. there\'s no other game on the planet where u can don the Shaolin robe and fight like a real(well, almost) Shaolin monk! Period!
And after the sucky DC VF3 version(graphics and gameplaywise), VF4 on PS2 is sweet redemption!
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Amen, Paul. Though I disagree to an extent about VF3 being sucky in the gameplay department. While it did not live up to the set VF standards, it certainly was a good game, just didn\'t work out quite like Yu Suzuki had planned.
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*Ignores Anti-Tekken comments*
Hwoarang ownz!
Virtua Fighter may be more deep, but I\'d take Tekken any day. Most peoples friends are not die hard gamers, therefore, they stand no chance against against people who play games 24/7.
It\'s more fun actually having a challenge in a game. It\'s more fun that way. Virtua Fighter is designed for mainly one player. ;) Tekken has more 2 player fun.
*ignores future Anti-Tekken comments*
:nut:
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Tekken 4 (arcade) was more uninspired, overhyped, and underwhelming than the disappointing Soul Calibur 2 (arcade.)
Here\'s hoping that both Tekken 4 and SC2 feature many improvements and new features not found in the arcade units.
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Originally posted by Paul
Bah, the tiger guy sucked. To make matter worst, all the characters in the default selection in T4 are crummy..except for maybe Christie(just to oogle at her boobs) and that Chinese girl, forgot her name.
And i TOTALLY disagree about VF4 same as T4 in terms of character reaction animation. Try kicking someone from the back and u\'ll see how realistic is VF4 compared to T4 which seems to jump a few frames of animation quite frequently and the characters just look out of placed.
As for not able to pass stage 1,2,3...in T4..I really have no words but U SUCK. I don\'t mean to offend but I can just whip to the end without so much of a sweat but just using a few same tactics(more like non-tactic random smashing).
All the characters in VF4 are fairly distinguishble with their style and u need to exploit their strength and weakness to win. I could play this game for a few years and not bored with it.
The lei fang(the monk guy, was it Lei Fang? Can\'t remember) characters in VF4 is a joy to play and behold. there\'s no other game on the planet where u can don the Shaolin robe and fight like a real(well, almost) Shaolin monk! Period!
And after the sucky DC VF3 version(graphics and gameplaywise), VF4 on PS2 is sweet redemption!
Why does he suck?And why are u judging only by their default costumes?Howarang is cool in his TaeKwonDo suit.I dont see anything wrong with Lei or Kazuya or Law.Especially Law.I dont see much frame jumping in T4.It has been reduced a lot since TTT.Perhaps u dont give enough attention to the character reactions in T4 either.
I suck?Nope.I am extremely good at Tekken.Perhaps the version u playied was set in easy difficulty.I could beat TTT in Ultra Hard when I first playied T4(Perhaps I forgot to mention that I can now finish it anytime).I am not the only one that found T4 different.There are many Tekken players that found T4 more difficult too.They beat TTT easily,know chain combos,counter throws etc but they couldnt beat T4 the first times of play.Most of them have even given up trying to learn T4.They continue with TTT instead.
VF4 last longer mostly because of better AI(which is something I admire a lot in the VF series) and more difficulty at learning the moves.
In T4 characters are distinguishable too.Its the previous ones that had similar characters(although differently used to win.Especially playing against an expert).Dont tell me now that Law and Lee are almost the same thing for an example.
About Fang\'s stance changing isnt realstic.Generally almost every move in VF4 are based on real martial arts but they arent realistic looking.I also think they could have added more martial arts than introducing two characters doing Jeet Kune Do(even if they use different tactics and power-something I mentioned before)and another two doing similar martial art like Lau and Pai.
Instead of ditching and say that VF completely sucks(Originally posted by Paul:Tekken 4 sucks period) I see it as a great fighting game and I do play and want to master VF.I only prefer Tekken4 more for the reasons I said before.
All the characters in VF4 are fairly distinguishble with their style and u need to exploit their strength and weakness to win. I could play this game for a few years and not bored with it.
Playing against a weak AI(like in most Tekkens) u dont have the chance to.I think u should watch a Korean Tekken4 match.
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ive just relised tekken 4 is meant to be out this fri in uk...... damn........ i just bought new trainers... whyyyyyyyyyyyy
cant wait to try this bad boy out
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VF4 has Lei Fei, DOA3 has Lei Fang (the girl), and Tekken has Lei Wulong. Just so you know. :)
Anyways, I would love to get involved in the argument, but I have no time. I\'ll just say this: Comparing Tekken to VF is stupid IMO. They play completely differently, and are targeted at completely different audiences. We can all say which we think is the better game, but in the end, it is just an opinion. Comments like (taking quotes from the beginning and end of the thread), "[The Tekken series] doesn\'t seem to be progressing any" or, "Generally almost every move in VF4 are based on real martial arts but they arent realistic looking" doesn\'t change the facts; It only distorts them. All everyone here is doing (for the most part) is bashing the other game trying to make their game-of-choice look better.
Just accept that different people have different tastes, and determining which game is the best (like the title of this thread leads us to do) is impossible.
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yeah...I got it rite now, it was lei fei...maybe I just like the boobS girls in DOA series a lot. LOL.
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Originally posted by IronFist
Comments like (taking quotes from the beginning and end of the thread), "[The Tekken series] doesn\'t seem to be progressing any" or, "Generally almost every move in VF4 are based on real martial arts but they arent realistic looking" doesn\'t change the facts;....
In the argument there was a reference to VF4 as how near to perfection it is as a martial arts game compared to Tekken.I mentioned its imperfections as a true martial game trying to prove it is not the Tekken "eliminator" or that Tekken is crap or inferior compared to it.
But you are right that in the end is just an opinion.Thats why we shouldnt say this is crap or this is sh!t etc.Because at the end the thread becomes an effort to force opinions
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BTW:Will the Pal version include a 60hz option?
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Originally posted by Unicron!
BTW:Will the Pal version include a 60hz option?
hell yea, namco\'s learnt a lot from the mistake from ttt, and now t4 definitely\'s got 60hz - which is all we\'re looking for...:D
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YES!!!YES YEEEEESSSSS!!!!!COOL!!!ATLAST!!THE FIRST TIME NAMCO DECIDES TO HAVE A 6OHZ OPTION!!!
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Took a lesson from Sega, eh?
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and whom did sega take that lesson from . . . :p
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I got it one day before it was " officially " released, I really like it, once I unlocked Bryan all my Tekken skill come back, it\'s been awhile but I\'m getting back to what I once was, I really cant see how people doesnt like it, and with a 6ohz option and even progressive scan it cant go wrong
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Originally posted by Sublimesjg
and whom did sega take that lesson from . . . :p
Ummm...I don\'t know...
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I will be getting this one. I think from what i\'ve seen and heard of it so far it\'s going to kick serious booty. Far more than what we got with TTT.
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What exactly progessive scan is?
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How does the Pal version of Tekken 4 compare with VF4 Pal?
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HEY I ASKED FIRST!:D
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How is the single player? Is it as deep as VF4s (Arcade + Kumite)?
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just got it today, aint played much has 60hz mode, scren adjustment, and p-scan, havent played it enough to ive a proper view, but to be honest i expected more, ive only completed it with zazuya, paul, and violet......