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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: THE EYE on September 11, 2002, 02:41:28 AM
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...just to remember !
I still got goosepimples by reading this again.
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13917&perpage=25&pagenumber=1
A few days later there was a Topic in which the World shows their feelings for the US.
(Some pictures are missing, because of the time past)
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13990&highlight=world
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i say we let it go
were having a ceremony at school today that im skipping
no reason for me to join a bunch of people in a room that want to try to act american and make themselves believe we actually care about each other
things suck, people die, time moves on
how many years from now will we have a ceremony on 9/11?
whos to say when they can stop?
sure i feel bad for the loss of human life, but i feel worse for the loss of human ambition
all i hear is twin towers, pentagon, blah, blah, blah
very few people talk about the crash in somerset, PA, 30 minutes north of where i live. they seem forget about that, cause it wasnt such an atrocity. one day tho, someone will fess up that the military shot that one down. anyone remember the oklahoma city unibomber? go ask charles whitman what he thinks
the united states is the largest terrorist network the world may never see.
oh did i mention i love my country, but i hate my government?
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Originally posted by mm
i say we let it go
were having a ceremony at school today that im skipping
no reason for me to join a bunch of people in a room that want to try to act american and make themselves believe we actually care about each other
things suck, people die, time moves on
how many years from now will we have a ceremony on 9/11?
whos to say when they can stop?
all i hear is twin towers, pentagon, blah, blah, blah
very few people talk about the crash 40 minutes north of where i live. they seem forget about that, cause it wasnt such an atrocity. anyone remember the oklahoma city unibomber? go ask charles whitman what he thinks
I can\'t say I agree with that. It was far more than just an "American" tragedy. It wasn\'t just the Americans that were caught up in it.
Think about the people from other nations who were killed.
After all, although it WAS in the USA, it was still the WORLD trade centre.
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well, i cant catergorize other nations mentality like i can my own
well, all except the french, they\'re idiots through and through
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Sure mm... I know what you mean, but it is not because of an airplane that "accidently" crashed ! This was so cruel an so intense that we all were affected and not only the relatives of the victims. People from many countries died on that day and it was a long and painfull death.
Today I´m not praying for the lost souls, but for us all and that we will overcome hate and anger in the world.
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wtf...I started both threads...I DO NOT REMEMBER THIS
:p
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Yep, you did... and the first thread was the only one with some new information for more than half an hour for my colleagues and me in the office, because all Internet News Pages went down...
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the united states is the largest terrorist network the world may never see
:rolleyes:
I don\'t have much to say about this. I thought I was cynical, but man you have some issues.
Ace
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RARELY do I agree with mm..but this time, I\'m with him with about 99% of his post in this thread.
I dont care if ppl want to mourn..do so in your own way. This should not be a public spectacle for the media to exploit like they have for years to come. Its bad enough they have done everyday for the last 365 days.
People keep saying things about we might forget, or we should never forget. I dont see how when the government and media is stuffing 9/11 down everyones eyes and ears each day.
I can\'t even find decent programming to watch this am b/c this is everywhere. Least I can understand why it is today..but I hope this isnt a sign of every 9/11 to be like this(not just the TV programming comment)
Hell, I have even heard the govt. is considering making 9/11 an offcial holiday. WTF is that..pearl harbor isnt even a holiday.
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I don\'t mind these rememberances because I feel that people should be reminded of just how bad this really was. Problem I have is that we are reminded every freaking day. So why is this day any different?
I am totally turned off by all the media and what they are doing.
Heck Luckee if the movie didn\'t come out in December, people probably wouldn\'t even know what month Pearl Harbor happened in. Heck, I\'m giving people too much credit. They probably don\'t even realize why the movie came out in December.
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Don\'t get me wrong. I know the media has and will exploit this for a long time to come. But lets be honest, what else could they possibly do?
Also, there are plenty of TV stations that will be running regular programming, not to mention it probably wouldn\'t hurt to shut the damn thing off once and a while.
BTW, what\'s the one percent you disagree with in this thread?
Ace
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i wonder how much the networks are charging for ad time during these TV ceremonies
whats wrong ace? you dont believe in the american way?
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ACe..that 1% would be his statement about the OK city unibomber..since I do not know exactly what he means by that. I just took it at as thee "unabomber"(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wesleyan.edu%2Fwesunity%2Funabomber.jpg&hash=ff12f1fefe350ff362846dab623ad926f5f2b329) when in fact if that was what he meant, I disagree.
Toay really wouldnt be so bad if it hasnt been exploited for the last 365 days.
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You know what this is? It\'s pure propoganda for the continuance of the war on Terrorism. They\'re trying to get American\'s on the gov\'ts side.. because they know they can\'t fight the world and their own population at the same time. Look at Vietnam, as an example. 10 bucks says after bush is out of office and the war on terrorism dies down - we\'ll no longer hear cries of "Remember the Alamo". = /
It\'s going to ROYALLY piss me off if they make 9/11 an offical holiday.. let alone the proposed "Patriots Day". Like Luckee said, if ANY day deserves to be "Patriots Day".. it\'s December, 7th. Pearl Harbor, a day when American fighting men.. people who KNEW a war was eventually comming signed up for military service knowing full well their lives could soon be peril. To get struck blindsided on your way to grab the secretaries ass after hitting the watercooler is not patriotism.. to walk willingly into mortal danger to defend a country you love enough to die for. THAT\'S patriotism.
If anything.. claim 9/11 as an eye-opener. Make today no more special or less special than December 7th or D-Day is to us now, and make December 7th a "Patriots Day".
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Originally posted by mm
i wonder how much the networks are charging for ad time during these TV ceremonies
whats wrong ace? you dont believe in the american way?
First of all, from what I understand, there will be no advertising on the networks during the coverage.
mm, I did not say that you don\'t have the right to say what you said. I just disagree. That\'s the American way.
Ace
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I don\'t think it should be a holiday, but to say the human life in the towers were of less importance then the men who died protecting us is a little off base. I don\'t even see why there even has to be a comparison.
Ace
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Originally posted by Ace
I don\'t think it should be a holiday, but to say the human life in the towers were of less importance then the men who died protecting us is a little off base. I don\'t even see why there even has to be a comparison.
Ace
I can agree with what you are saying, but I think what he may have meant was that they were the better people, not necessarily the more important dead people.
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I\'m not saying the marines and aviators who died at Pearl Harbor were better people. They DID however, act as true patriots and volunarily signed their lives away to the US military in defense of this country. If anyone should be called a patriot, or day I say even Hero, on 9/11.. it would be the firemen, police men, port authority, and the souls of flight 93 who fought against the terrorists knowing full well they could die. That\'s only a small percentage of the people who died on 9/11 tho, whereas EVERYONE at Pearl Harbor who died was a volutary officer in the military at a time when war was inevitable.
Also, what\'s this about Pearl Harbor being a "way out there base"? Sure they\'re not part of the mainland.. but they are a state are they not? And it\'s not like Pearl Harbor was some small, insignificant base. That was our ENTIRE PACIFIC FLEET and most of PACIFIC AIRFORCE that got destroyed.. sans Aircraft carriers and subs which were out on routine patrols at the time. It was a HUGE base, and our only threshold into the pacific should the Japaneese draw us into the war there.
Don\'t, for christs sake, don\'t try to make it look insignificant.
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OK, I agree that we throw around the hero word way too much. I agree that people who went to work that day in the WTC were not heroes, but neither were they trying to be.
I just don\'t see the need for all the anger towards those who have a heavy heart today.
Ace
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It\'s not anger for those who have a heavy heart, as mine is too. It\'s anger against people who are using that grief as leverage to either perpetuate a war against whoever we feel like bombing today, or sell a product. You\'re simply misunderstanding where we\'re comming from.
Gov\'t and Corperations cannot allow our wounds to heal, because as long as we remember.. we\'re angry. As long as we\'re angry.. we\'re motivated. And as long as we\'re motivated.. we\'re far more apt to follow a path which they have carefully laid out for us to further their own ends.
It makes me feel manipulated, like a cow being led to the slaughter. It\'s something I will not concent to, and will speak against at EVERY oppertunity I have.
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We should be angry.
You guys must spend a lot of time looking to the sky for black helicopters.
Ace
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"Funny" thing is the USA is the only country in the world that has been convicted of International Terrorism. (Nicaragua 1980ies)
Thought you\'d like to know.
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You guys must spend a lot of time looking to the sky for black helicopters. - Ace
If you\'re insinuating that I\'m a conspiracists who spend their lives completely paranoid, you\'re wrong. However, I can\'t see how in this age of spyware on your computer and brainwashing rhetoric spewd by our gov\'t on TV, that you can deny this is what\'s happening. This has been been going on for YEARS. It reminds me of a commercial I saw on PBS durring a documentary. I think it was Kennedy against whoever else was running for President... and this other guy put out a particularly striking campaign ad. It was black & white and showed a lil girl picking a daisy on a grassy field.. and in the distance before her you saw a flash and a mushroom cloud rise slowly before her. The flower fell to the ground and the screen turned white, with a message to vote for so-an-so. It was meant to play off of the publics fears, basically insinuating that Kennedy would lead this country to Nuclear War.. which was a powerful incentive to vote for the other guy.
This is the exact same thing. They\'re playing up our sence of fear, grief, and anger by shoving 9/11 in our faces 24/7 and then saying we should support our president in whatever he undertakes durring this time of "war" to allow him the ability to get things done instead of deadlocking congress in debate while the next attack is planned.
It\'s BS, plain and simple. And where\'s the media\'s incentive? Advertising dollars.. many of which are using 9/11 in direct or subtle ways in order to get you to buy a product. It\'s a cycle of rhetoric meant to keep people angry, ignorant, and shelling out cash.
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I couldnt have said it better. Hats off to you sonyfan!!
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I\'m not so easily swayed by what is on TV.
Are you actually watching TV? The press, if anything, is feeding the public just the opposite. They are not using their power to help Bush.
Ace
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Originally posted by Ace
I\'m not so easily swayed by what is on TV.
Are you actually watching TV? The press, if anything, is feeding the public just the opposite. They are not using their power to help Bush.
Ace
Are you kidding? They are doing it, just not as noticably.
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I will certainly make it clear when I am kidding.
Ace
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Originally posted by Ace
We should be angry.
You guys must spend a lot of time looking to the sky for black helicopters.
Ace
It seems Ace and I are the only two moderates in this thread. Your comment about black helicopters... :laughing:
Come on guys put the conspiracy theories to rest. It is the right of the US to hunt these terrorists down. At the time we went into Afghanistan Bin Laden was there - it was justified.
This generation does have a lot of issues. The generation of our grandparents was the "greatest generation". They answered the call without hesitation. I would hate to see what would happen if this generation was put in that situation.
As far as Remeberance services go. To each their own. I didn\'t go to the one our local goverment had this morning, but that doesn\'t mean I wasn\'t their emotionally.
It really makes me sick that some on this board are insinuating that what the terrorists did was justified due to American foreign policy.
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Thanks GigaShadow! I feel like I am the only one here.
Why don\'t some of you just say what you want to say . . . We deserved to be hit. It was our fault.
Ace
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It really makes me sick that some on this board are insinuating that what the terrorists did was justified due to American foreign policy.
It just makes me sick that some on this board are complete fools.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
It really makes me sick that some on this board are insinuating that what the terrorists did was justified due to American foreign policy.
With me, it isnt about the terrorists being justified in their actions, but more of an understanding as to why they did it. MOst act like they hate us for no reason and just do what they do to be evil.
Lets look at britain for a moment, Im not sure about most things that involve the british government, but I certainly do not hear about terroristic attacks aimed at britains home nor british embassies. Then again, they aren\'t involved in everything around the world either.
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Originally posted by Ace
Why don\'t some of you just say what you want to say . . . We deserved to be hit. It was our fault.
You deserved to be hit. It was your fault. :p
But seriously, you did get hit partly because of your foreign policy. Even if it was \'fair\' or not. That\'s not to say the terrorists were not complete assholes to do what they did. I think they are. But I also gotta agree with the people who don\'t \'swallow the media hype\' so easily. To each his own I guess.
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Originally posted by luckee
Lets look at britain for a moment, Im not sure about most things that involve the british government, but I certainly do not hear about terroristic attacks aimed at britains home nor british embassies. Then again, they aren\'t involved in everything around the world either.
Well we have been under attack (until recently) from the IRA = Irish Republican Army, plus out of the Attacks on the WTC the second highest casualties (after American Nationals) were British.
Also we had the Iranian Embassy siege during the mid 80’s
also even Scotland had our biggest terrorist attack
the Lockbie bombing
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Originally posted by luckee
With me, it isnt about the terrorists being justified in their actions, but more of an understanding as to why they did it. MOst act like they hate us for no reason and just do what they do to be evil.
Lets look at britain for a moment, Im not sure about most things that involve the british government, but I certainly do not hear about terroristic attacks aimed at britains home nor british embassies. Then again, they aren\'t involved in everything around the world either.
Uh maybe you were too young, but the IRA regularly attacked London with bombings in the 80\'s and early 90\'s. Was that justified too?
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ooseven, I do not know the backround between the IRA and britain so I cant comment on that. For that fact..cant comment on the embassy seige in Iran. Can you fill me in on that backround?
As for the WTC, when I meant attacks, I basically meant on said soil...like in britain or an embassy..a warship..etc..
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Originally posted by Samwise
You deserved to be hit. It was your fault. :p
But seriously, you did get hit partly because of your foreign policy. Even if it was \'fair\' or not. That\'s not to say the terrorists were not complete assholes to do what they did. I think they are. But I also gotta agree with the people who don\'t \'swallow the media hype\' so easily. To each his own I guess.
Oh please this American Foreign Policy excuse is quite old. Bin Laden is pissed off about the Crusades (that was Europe not the US), pissed off that we get what he considers cheap oil and is upset that we have a small troop presence in Saudi Arabia. Well if it wasn\'t for Saddam we wouldn\'t have to be there. Saddam first tried to invade Iran and failed so he went after Kuwait. Sure our interest lies in the oil, but it also lies in the stability of the region. Besides a country may not annex territory of another country so he was violating international law.
The Palestinian issue is not really his motivating factor. It is just an easy excuse for him to rally support in the rest of the Arab world.
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Originally posted by luckee
ooseven, I do not know the backround between the IRA and britain so I cant comment on that. For that fact..cant comment on the embassy seige in Iran. Can you fill me in on that backround?
As for the WTC, when I meant attacks, I basically meant on said soil...like in britain or an embassy..a warship..etc..
Oh lets not forget the Falkland Island Conflict with Argentina.
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Originally posted by luckee
ooseven, I do not know the backround between the IRA and britain so I cant comment on that. For that fact..cant comment on the embassy seige in Iran. Can you fill me in on that backround?
As for the WTC, when I meant attacks, I basically meant on said soil...like in britain or an embassy..a warship..etc..
sorry but i added The Lockbie bombing at a letter stage (see edited version)
here we have the bombing of a passenger jet over UK soil, the bombing was designed to
either hit a populated area which it DID
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if it flight was on time the flight (it was actualy delayed) it would have been over DoonRay Nuclear power plant
so as you can see the United Kingdom is not exempt from terrorist attack.
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Screw the press, screw the government.These things we seem to not be able to control anymore. All I say is, PRAY,in your own way, for the Victims of hate. AMEN
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Originally posted by ooseven
sorry but i added The Lockbie bombing at a letter stage (see edited version)
here we have the bombing of a passenger jet over UK soil, the bombing was designed to
either hit a populated area which it DID
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if it flight was on time the flight (it was actualy delayed) it would have been over DoonRay Nuclear power plant
so as you can see the United Kingdom is not exempt from terrorist attack.
darn, you would only explain that one, that is the only one I have any real knowledge about. I only vaguely remember watching the news and them mentioning the IRA attacks, but I never knew what it was all supposedly about.
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Well a simplified answer is that….
the terror attack was a result of a air strike on Libya and the attempt on the life of it’s revolutionary Leader Col. Muammar Abu Minyar al-QADHAFI
the air strike was made due to evidence that Libya was sponsoring and training international terrorists.
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no, no no..lol That is about the only instance you mentioned that I did know about, it was the embassy seige in iran and the IRA attacks that I only remember seeing on the news, but had no real idea about what the were about.
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Oh please this American Foreign Policy excuse is quite old. Bin Laden is pissed off about the Crusades (that was Europe not the US), pissed off that we get what he considers cheap oil and is upset that we have a small troop presence in Saudi Arabia. Well if it wasn\'t for Saddam we wouldn\'t have to be there. Saddam first tried to invade Iran and failed so he went after Kuwait. - Giga
Wow.. so it\'s all cut & dry jus like that huh? Saddam was pissed off at Iran so he decided to beat up on a smaller country in order to feel better about himself, and Osama is still upset about the Crusades that happened over a thousand years ago.
Gee, I wish I could live in such a simple world. How bout elaborating a bit next time bud. :)
(Note: I have never ONCE, in any of my posts, said the terrorists were justified in 9/11. If you\'re still miffed about that, blame yourself.. because you totally missed the boat on that one. It WASN\'T our fault, although our forign policies did fan the flames.. which is hard to doubt. It couldn\'t be helped.. any action you take is going to be opposed by someone, and if they\'re fanatical enough and rich enough you\'ll get a situation like 9/11 just about every time. If it wasn\'t Al-Queda, it would have been someone else.)
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They were so upset about our foreign policy, in the days before they were going to meet the 70 virgins they were promised, they decided to hit a nudie bar.
You give them too much credit.
Ace
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Well lets see my unenlightened SonyFan...
Iran has an Islamic Fundamentalist Goverment and Iraq has a dictatorship. Thats not too hard to fathom is it? What needs to be elaborated? The Iranians are Persian and the Iraqi\'s are Arabs. Two more differences.
Now this isn\'t to say that monster wasn\'t our own creation. Since you seem to think I am blindly patriotic :rolleyes: I will be the first to admit that the situation with Iraq is our own doing. When Iraq invaded Iran we were more than happy to supply Saddam with whatever he wanted and turn a blind eye to his methods. Since the Iranian hostage crisis was still fresh in our memory we took the old and enemy of our enemy is our ally approach. Little did we know that he had greater ambitions than just Iran.
Our second shortcoming was the 1st Bush\'s fault. We should have removed Saddam when we had the chance back during Desert Storm. Now we are faced with a pissed off dictator who is trying to acquire weapons of mass destruction to use God knows where.
Everyone knows the US isn\'t perfect and a policy today might indeed be detrimental in the future, but that is the game of politics.
As for Osama - it is well documented that he is still upset about (amongst other things) the Christian Crusades (which he still calls the Americans and the Europeans to this day), the Moors being driven from Spain AND the fact he feels we buy our oil too cheaply and that the WEST as a whole owes the Arab world 6 trillion dollars because of this. Search CNN, FoxNews or any other newsite and I am sure you find documentation of his views. He could care less about the Palestinians. His major bone of contention lies with Western society.
Finally since you want to start flinging insults around - get an education, I am still pondering your comparison of the Native Americans to the Palestinians post. The Palestinians DID have a country AFTER Israel was formed, but their Arab brothers underestimated Israel and got their clocks cleaned. After all the Arab Israeli conflicts Israel occupied the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights to set up a protective buffer around Israel.
Check this link http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/part.html
The Palestinians had their own country set up by the UN, but the Arabs rejected having any Jewish entity in Palestine. Then they attacked Israel -
http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/invade.html
Nice map I especially like the quote about kill all the jews...
There are more links on this page, but as you can see the Arabs did it to themselves because they could not co exist with a non Arab nation.
So comparing the Palestinians to the NA\'s is quite ridiculous in my opinion.
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Originally posted by SonyFan
You know what this is? It\'s pure propoganda for the continuance of the war on Terrorism.
indeed.
today we are seeing what the american media is really capable of.
i will remember the people who died last year, and mourn it in my own way, by thinking about it, thinking "damn that sucked" then i will go to work just like every other day.
i refuse to watch any of this "9/11 holiday" that the media has and will continue to make of this day.
have i mentioned i frickin hate the media? all thier "24 HOUR LIVE 9/11 COVERAGE" can kiss my ass.
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I\'m not going to bother with your guys discussion.
Today didn\'t really set in on me until I heard all the deceased names being read. Very sad day but grieving over it 24/7 won\'t change a thing. And the media is of course using the story to benefit themselves.
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Iran has an Islamic Fundamentalist Goverment and Iraq has a dictatorship. Thats not too hard to fathom is it? What needs to be elaborated? The Iranians are Persian and the Iraqi\'s are Arabs. Two more differences.
Now this isn\'t to say that monster wasn\'t our own creation. Since you seem to think I am blindly patriotic I will be the first to admit that the situation with Iraq is our own doing. When Iraq invaded Iran we were more than happy to supply Saddam with whatever he wanted and turn a blind eye to his methods. Since the Iranian hostage crisis was still fresh in our memory we took the old and enemy of our enemy is our ally approach. Little did we know that he had greater ambitions than just Iran.
Our second shortcoming was the 1st Bush\'s fault. We should have removed Saddam when we had the chance back during Desert Storm. Now we are faced with a pissed off dictator who is trying to acquire weapons of mass destruction to use God knows where.
Everyone knows the US isn\'t perfect and a policy today might indeed be detrimental in the future, but that is the game of politics. - Giga
Ok, do me a favor and put a big red X through all of that. I realize all of that already, and it\'s kinda hard to argue a point you agree on. What I was commenting on was your susinct lil summary of Iraq\'s reasons for invading Kuwait. You elude to the fact that because Iraq lost to Iran, they attack Kuwait. If you didn\'t mean this, then I suggest you edit your post since that\'s exactly how it sounds. The Iraq-Kuwait invasion had very little - if anything - to do with Iran. It was how Kuwait handled their oil exports which was hurting Iraq\'s economy. Iraq in turn first warned, and then invaded Kuwait when their warnings went unheeded. In many ways, Iraq was justified in attacking Kuwait.. but the fashion in which he did it is what pissed off the world economy. Least from my understanding.
As for your elaboration on Osama Bin Laden\'s reasons, I thank you. That\'s all I wanted. I just wanted to see if you were as up to date on the information as you claimed you were after your lil "Iraq attacked Kuwait because he couldn\'t have Iran" triat. :)
As for the rest of the argument, kindly move that to the next thread. Simply create a new post and copy-paste it into there. Otherwise, this thread will simple become a "v.2" of that one and do nothing but clutter up the forums. I will respond to it there.
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yeah i agree with mm, we should forget, but it shouldnt be made into some specticle..... peep have to get on with there lives, and this will just bring up memories even more
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Sonyfan,
Part of the reason he did attack Kuwait was because of his failure against Iran. His overall goal in Kuwait was to seize the oil fields *and* reclaim what he thought to be a "lost" province of Iraq. I won\'t debate whether it is or isn\'t. He has always desired to annex territory and since he bit off more than he could chew with Iran, he decided on a much smaller target where he could somehow justify it. After almost 10 years of war with Iran, don\'t you think taking Kuwait was a major PR bonus for him with his people?
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bah, i was forced to attend the ceremony at school cause it was considered class time
what a waste of time
they read some lame poem they got off the internet, then we said the "pledge of allegiance"
why not the national anthem i asked one of the teachers, and she didnt reply. i already knew why, but i wanted her to say it. 1/2 the people dont even know the frickin words
then they had a large piece of paper on the wall as a "wall of reflection"
noone signed it after i did
"may god have mercy on our souls"
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I wish we could relate on many more subjects mm. There is a lot I really respect about you, then on the other hand :D
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yeah, luckee
we\'ve all got our good and bad points
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am I the only one that see\'s similarities between America and Sodom and Gamora? I\'m not religious in the least (obviously since I probably spelled Gamora wrong), but it\'s just kind of ironic.
Also with our "American" attitude, I can sometimes see why people hate us. Many people feel it\'s not only their right to be glutunous and wastefull, but it\'s their duty...because they\'re an "American". I\'m aware that there is a load of people out there, that are not like this, unfortunetly those people aren\'t the ones that the rest of world see.
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After almost 10 years of war with Iran, don\'t you think taking Kuwait was a major PR bonus for him with his people? - Giga
Perhaps, but I think that was a smaller part of it. More like an added bonus. While Saddam may have always wanted a piece of Kuwait.. he -WAS- strongarmed into some fashion of conflict. Because of the Iran - Iraq war, Iraq was left billions of dollars in debt to America and other OPEC nations for weapons and supplies. Saddam tried to petition other Arab countries to help him recover from his debt since help to fight "Their (arab) war against the Islamic fundamentalists (Iran)". They denied him, and Iraq went bankrupt.. their only salvation being their oil.
However, at this time Kuwait was ramping up it\'s oil exports to 500,000 barrels a day.. flooding the market and dropping prices. Iraq couldn\'t produce as much and definately not for that cost. There was a lot of threats and diplomatic "heavy breathing" going on.. but to avoid a conflic the other OPEC nations agreed to pay Hussain 10 billion dollars to help recover his country. Kuwait, reniged at the last moment and broke the contract. That was pretty much it.
Kuwait had been poking a rabid dog with a sharp stick.. and they got bit. Saddam didn\'t feel he had a choice.. he had to attack and take control of the country he felt was choking his to death. There were other means he could have persued.. and if he had gone to the UN and petitioned his cause he might have been justified in his war. However, he jus rolled his tanks on into Kuwait and took over. This is what got the world\'s attention.. well.. that and the choice of weapons he had, such as nerve gas.
It\'s why he set Kuwaits oil wells on fire before he was forced out. It was more of an act of spite over what he felt they had done to him than jus "I can\'t have their oil.. so noone can!" :)
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am I the only one that see\'s similarities between America and Sodom and Gamora?- Omen
Well maybe if you wouldn\'t go around anally raping everyone all the time.....
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Originally posted by SonyFan
Well maybe if you wouldn\'t go around anally raping everyone all the time.....
Now that is funny... first laugh I had all day...
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I think the sad thing is about this, is the fact that now 9/11 is a media and commercial day. We got 9/11 DVD\'s, 9/11 shirts and the list goes on . It\'s nothing but a commercial holiday in a lot of senses.
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LIC.. I bet hallmark has made sure to get in on this :)
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/me sends luckee a happy 9-11 card....then rapes SonyFan