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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Ashford on September 11, 2002, 09:35:03 AM
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As a New Yorker who was deeply affected by the atrocity of 9-11, I\'d like to use this thread to offer my sympathies, condolences, and prayers to the 3,000+ victims, including 300+ firefighters and numerous police, PA police, and EMS workers.
Although I did not know any of the victims, as an American, we\'re all affected.
May the victims rest in peace, may the surviving members of their familes find peace and comfort, and may such an event never occur again.
Post your own thoughts and prayers.
(Could one of the mods make this a Sticky?)
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Well, that was fast...
Thanks, Mr Mystery Sticky Mod...
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well there is not much to say that will make it better, but just to let them know, and that we are thinking of them too
im sure though if they knew there was no threat it give them more peace of mind than knowing peep are sad
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may god have mercy on our souls
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I feel pretty much the same as most. I wish all of the families involved in ANY recent terrorist event thes best and my sorrows are with you. I would pray, but Im not exactly religious.
I knew of a friend that was injured in the WTC event, but was fortunately ok. I hope that person is still doing as well as she stated when we last spoke and hope this day is not extremely taxing on her.
For those that have perished, I can only be happy that they no longer have to suffer certain problems they may have had are in the religious place they believed in.
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Well there\'s not much more to say then...God Bless the victims, the families, and God Bless America!
Lets all pray that such a tragedy may never happen again to our nation.:(
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My thoughts are with the victims of those attacks, and the heros who saved so many on that day. I am a New Yorker, and while I\'m not from the city, I am there quite often. My father has an office there, and works there quite a bit. Most of my family is there, aunts and uncles, grandparents, cousins, etc. I did know someone whose life was lost in those attacks. He was a friend of the family, and my thoughts are especially with him on this day. I also know others who lost loved ones, and I wish them, and everyone else who had to deal with this tragedy, the best of luck with everything involved, and my deepest sympothies.
I only hope that no group of people is ever faced with such an event again.
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Well, I´m no New Yorker, I´m not even an American...
...but...again... I cried this evening in front of my TV. I saw the 1h45min documentation Film from the two brothers Jules und Gédéon Naudet who filmed the life of a young Firefighter in NY. One of the two brothers filmed the first plane hit by coincidence... you surely saw that moment of the film at the News. After that they filmed the effort of the Firefighters from within the WTC 1 until it collapsed. This film deserve an Oscar ! The two brothers spend all the money made by this film for the kids of the Firefighters lost on 9/11.
...the Two and all Firefighters from "their" Firestation returned save.
EDIT:
1. People from 91 Nations died on 9/11/01... this involves all of us.
2. It just came over me, that there are more than 3,000 members on this Board...
3,000... ...
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On my way into work today I passed by a school that had over a thousand flags lining the road. It was rather touching. Something as simple as that can turn your stomach. Bah, maybe I\'m a big puss.
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yeah, the flag factories in china are booming!
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It is a tragic day. I know someone who actually fasted today (don\'t ask why) and quite a few people wore American Tshirts. The only thing I don\'t like is how the media keeps pushing how the day was and showing the towers falling everyday (or atleast reminding us) and it just opens up wounds for the victim\'s families. I don\'t think they should keep reminding us. Although, I didn\'t like the media too much before hand.
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Our school did a really big thing on it which was pretty cool I guess. I cried in the bathroom afterwards.
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I almost cried when our school did a little thing to remember the lost.
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Here\'s to the Army and Navy and the battles they have won; here\'s to America\'s colors, the colors that never run.
May the wings of liberty never lose a feather.
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That was beautiful Ryu. That almost made me cry (dead close. tears were begining to form in my eyes)
Anyone hear more on the war against Iraq? Supposedly we are finishing off Hussein once and for all. If I was 18, I\'d join the military and help in the war.
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Titan is in touch with his femin side.
personally I feel bad for the victimms, yet I don\'t feel a need to dwell on something that happend a year ago, and an event that killed less people than irresponsible American companys do every year.
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Originally posted by Titan
That was beautiful Ryu. That almost made me cry (dead close. tears were begining to form in my eyes)
Anyone hear more on the war against Iraq? Supposedly we are finishing off Hussein once and for all. If I was 18, I\'d join the military and help in the war.
I had the opposite reaction in some ways...I really don\'t want to cause an arguement at all in this topic, but I think expressing patriotic sentiments and honoring or remembering the victims of these events are very different things. This event had nothing to do with our military, nothing to do with our patriotism. It was a terrorist action, plain and simple. When patriotism is expressed in the place of remorse, I can\'t say I agree with that. If it happened in another nation, would it be any less important? Or better yet, should it be?
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Actually, the military part of my post didn\'t have anything else to do with my other half of the post. I actually feel that it is stupid that people are all of a sudden patriotic after the attacks. If people were truely patriotic, they would have had shirts and stuff before the attacks. Ryu\'s little poem jsut touched me in a way.
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I guess that\'s part of what I\'m saying. I was talking about Ryu\'s post though, with what I said. Anyway, I\'m done. I don\'t want to ruin this thread with this stuff.
Meh, if anyone can get that bent out of shape for 3 lines text, then maybe you shouldn\'t have responded at all. :)
However, in retrospect, because of 9/11, our army and navy are fighting a battle across the seas for our beliefs. They are over there for us fighting for those who can\'t or won\'t. I honor them just the same as I honor the dead. You can disagree with that, but because you do, that won\'t stop me from expressing myself and what I feel.
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Yesterday was September 11 here on Guam.. I flew an American flag proudly on my car. :D
May God Bless America!
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Originally posted by THE EYE
It just came over me, that there are more than 3,000 members on this Board...
3,000... ...
Woah... thats a good way to put it. :(
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Guys, don\'t ruin the thread, (i\'m talking about theomen and Vapor).
Today at school the Freshmans were all wearing red, Sophmores wore blue, Juniors wore white, and Seniors wore all 3. Then they had 9/11 spray painted on the ground and all the freshmans got in the 9, sophmores in the slash, juniors in the 1, and seniors in the other 1. Then we had teachers on a cherry picker and took some pictures, I\'m curious to see how it turns out. Then we all crammed into the gym for a slideshow and some speeches. We had a Navy officer give a speech, then watched the slideshow. Both the slideshow and speech were pretty good.
But yeah, I still think the media is riding this a little too much, none us have forgotten what happened, and we don\'t need to see the same story on 5 different tv channels.
Oh yeah, does anyone know how long they were calling the names of the people that died? I turned it on when i woke up and it was still going when i left for school.
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did anyone actually watch that thing with them reading the names? If I would have watched it, I could have gone insane out of bordem.
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i hope we all learn a great lesson from this. all americans everywhere should get along and stop fighting about minor difference such as race and religion.
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to a certain extent you\'re right square, but if I fully agreed I would be a hypocrite.
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Racism is going down in America. New generations are now learning to work with one another. Its just groups like the KKK that are teaching their children to hate and it just makes me sad to hear about that. I\'m glad that things in America are definitely getting better.
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Today my college classes were cancelled. Some evil bastard thought it would be cool or funny to put a bomb threat on my school. Who knows it could be real, but whoever did it is an idiot.
Well anyways i\'ve seen little american flags all over the place as well. It got pretty touching after seeing it everywhere and then seeing reports on tv...but i held back from getting tear eyed.:o
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Interesting read:
Dear Post-911 Flag-Waving Fellow Americans:
After reading your newspapers - after listening to your corporate media\'s propagandistic version of the so-called "War Against Terrorism" now under way in Afghanistan - after seeing your flag-decked SUV\'s with the Pisces emblems on the one side and National Rifle Association stickers on the other - after enduring this national adrenalin rush daily for the past two months - I have concluded that you are, by and large, a shallow, callous, insular, naively manipulable and infinitely self-righteous lot.
You are dangerously intoxicated at this time with a virulent strain of myopic ethnocentrism approaching Third Reich fanaticism - one that is most unattractive to the quiet minority here who can\'t in good conscience join your sloganeered, bumper-stickered, anthem-singing, flag-flapping, Muslim-hating hysteria.
You are riding the crest of a wave of blind arrogance, egocentric hedonism and aggressive nationalism that cannot last - one that will inevitably lead to a cataclysmic fall in time.
I do not know how these things will evolve. I am no prophet or seer. But of this I am reasonably certain. You will be - you must be - humbled. Karmic laws are inexorable, inescapable and universal. America is ripe for a humbling as the 21st Century begins.
I do not wish this to be the case. I live here, as have my forebears for at least six generations. I have children and grandchildren who will suffer when the collapse occurs. But I see this national adjustment as inevitable.
You as a people are not better than - you do not deserve more of everything than - any other group on the planet.
You do not possess an inherent right to abuse - to show utter disregard for - other human cultures and groups, as well as every other species with which you share this tiny blue orb.
You do not possess an inherent right to destroy the very Earth that has nurtured you with your outsized contribution to global pollution - one that will bring catastrophic climate changes and sea level alterations within the present century.
You are not so very special and unique as you may imagine, flag-waving Americans. Deity has not singled you out for preferential treatment and predestined dominance. You are merely the current bully on the block - an ephemeral thing at best. Bullies come and go.
In the longer view of history, you will go the way of other civilizations that became overly extended, overly aggressive, overly confident, overly materialistic, and overtly abusive toward all that did not embrace unflinchingly their narrowly defined interests and values.
I have thought often during recent days of Thomas Jefferson\'s remark regarding the institution of slavery - a gathering storm in his time.
He said, "...I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just."
Indeed, I tremble today for my country because I know my fellows are on a course that cannot end well.
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Just think you see atleast one here:
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Originally posted by Fayded
Oh yeah, does anyone know how long they were calling the names of the people that died? I turned it on when i woke up and it was still going when i left for school.
It ran for around three hours.
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Vapor, I have to say that article sums up pretty much everything that I\'ve been bitching about since 9-12
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What the **** is wrong with you guys. Is your hobby BEING ASSHOLES. You aren\'t better than any of us. If you can\'t stand whats going on, bitching about it wont do any good. You aren\'t anything but a pesimistic asshole who a) thinks you\'re better everyone else b) should be shut the **** up.
A tragic event pulls a country together, and you pry it apart with your stupid lectures.
I may be a kid, but I\'m a better person in a whole than you guys who bitching about america\'s partiotism.
Americans are not a race, they are people in one whole in one country. If anything, you should be bitching about the human race.
Do everyone a favor and shut the asshole in your face you call a "mouth."
This isn\'t targeted toward anyone but Omen, who I thought was supposed to be a soon to be police man, which in my eyes is very respectible (although I wouldn\'t want any person like that protecting me), or anyone else agreeing with that article.
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After reading your newspapers - after listening to your corporate media\'s propagandistic version of the so-called "War Against Terrorism" now under way in Afghanistan - after seeing your flag-decked SUV\'s with the Pisces emblems on the one side and National Rifle Association stickers on the other - after enduring this national adrenalin rush daily for the past two months - I have concluded that you are, by and large, a shallow, callous, insular, naively manipulable and infinitely self-righteous lot.
"Your this" and "your that" and this person claims to be of this country? Somehow, I highly doubt that. How can someone "endure" this for two months and then openly criticize from a soap box that we should basically repent and be saved? Yah, we\'re all doomed, that\'s not news at all. It\'s in our nature to destroy ourselves and our patriotic nature won\'t aid in that inevitable conclusion.
Life is too short to critisize others as openly as that and then live in the country that openly shows it\'s colors when something like this happens.
We\'re all a bunch of hipocrites admittedly, but deep inside, we all feel pride for the good we do. We do feel pride when we serve our country, when we help others, when we feel the need to create. There\'s a certain satisfaction to it all that is undeniable, but at times, we need a little wake up call that tells us that we are not invincible, that we are not Gods, that we are not our f*cking khakis.
If you people genuinely want to b*tch about how screwed up this nation is, good for you, but when the time comes, we all want the same thing. Safety, joy, and life. We need and we want and that\'s in our nature. We\'re only human.
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I have nothing worng with someone who loves their country, I love my country. However many Americans feel as though it is their right to be horrible people, and be so incredibly self involved as to not care about the rest of the world.
Then we have a tragic event, and it becomes the popular thing to be patriotic. But where were the patriots before 9-11, hell where were the patriots two weeks ago?
I\'m sorry, but Americans are not perfect, we have no more right to the earths resourses as anyone else. We don\'t have the right to destroy the world, and it really sad that many of you can\'t see that.
as for the fall of the US. It will happen, I don\'t want this to happen, because it will be horific for myself and my family, but history has taught us that Super Powers come and go, look at the Roman, Greek, Mongol, Brittish empires. They all ruled their world at one time, but have either fallen, or lost much of their power.
I am a true patriot, I loved America before the terrorist attack, and I still love this country. It\'s the people in it that make me sick sometimes.
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Originally posted by Ryu
"Your this" and "your that" and this person claims to be of this country? Somehow, I highly doubt that. How can someone "endure" this for two months and then openly criticize from a soap box that we should basically repent and be saved? Yah, we\'re all doomed, that\'s not news at all. It\'s in our nature to destroy ourselves and our patriotic nature won\'t aid in that inevitable conclusion.
I think by "your" they are specifically singling out the majority of Americans that the article describes, not all Americans in general.
And I only said the article was interesting, not that I agreed with it. However I really agree with the part that says we should be humbled.
EDIT: Nevermind, the "your" thing doesn\'t make sense. And I just remembered the guy who wrote this is an Austrailian that lives in California. Go figure.
EDIT 2: I\'m wrong. It was a true American that did "supposedly" write this.
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Originally posted by theomen
I have nothing worng with someone who loves their country, I love my country. However many Americans feel as though it is their right to be horrible people, and be so incredibly self involved as to not care about the rest of the world.
Then we have a tragic event, and it becomes the popular thing to be patriotic. But where were the patriots before 9-11, hell where were the patriots two weeks ago?
I\'m sorry, but Americans are not perfect, we have no more right to the earths resourses as anyone else. We don\'t have the right to destroy the world, and it really sad that many of you can\'t see that.
as for the fall of the US. It will happen, I don\'t want this to happen, because it will be horific for myself and my family, but history has taught us that Super Powers come and go, look at the Roman, Greek, Mongol, Brittish empires. They all ruled their world at one time, but have either fallen, or lost much of their power.
I am a true patriot, I loved America before the terrorist attack, and I still love this country. It\'s the people in it that make me sick sometimes.
What you don\'t realize is that is that for a period of time we all took advantage of it not realizing it. It may be stupid for something that to happen to pull us together, but it did change people. You can\'t expect people to form human flags everyday, its just like a holiday. For Christians we dont always have a tree in hour living room for Jesus, but they\'re still christians.
It was just a giant awakening.
"Every generation in it\'s darkest hour shines it\'s brighest."
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Please don\'t tell me thats a quote from George Dubbyah.
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:laughing: I dunno but I found it poetic.
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I agree, and hell I really wouldn\'t like it if we were forming human flags every day. But unfortunetly the lack of patriotism is not the big problem, the problem is that we as Americans have a gluttonous society. Many (not all) Americans are driving around in their SUVs that get a mile to the gallon, eating 40 pounds of food, weigh 400 pounds, leave the A/C on, and all their lights on all the time, use 1000\'s of gallons watering their lawns, because it\'s their RIGHT! And while doing so, they are destroying the planet, and condeming the rest of the world to an early grave. Unfortunetly many people just don\'t understand what they do not only affects them, but it also effects the rest of the world.
However, we are not the only peoplee doing such things, but since we are such a large country filled with these people it easy to use us as an example.
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It is actually a good quote.
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Then why not target it at mankind and not just the US?
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because it\'s alot easier to say the US, since we have the majority of the people with this mentality.
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Show some respect and stop ruining this thread.
This isn\'t about who was right or wrong, if America deserved it, or if Americans are evil.
This thread is all about the victims and a way for us to offer our sympathy and condolences.
Don\'t have anything nice to say?
STFU and get out.
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Hmm... I hope that was not directed towards me or even theomen for that matter.
Ashford I\'ve seen enough sympathy and grieving to last me three life times, yes it was a horrible tragedy, yes I felt for the families who lost loved ones, yes I\'m proud to be an American...but for god sakes man, ENOUGH WITH THIS BULLSHIT.
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Vapor I don\'t have a problem with what you think, but you would be totally different if someone you knew like a parent, sibling, friend etc... died there. These people were murdered, and for a dumb reason.
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So you\'ve had enough of this BS but decided to come in here for some more BS?
Its very simple...
Post messages that fit this thread; otherwise, start another one and post in there.
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The best thing to do is to move on, and remember your loved ones in your heart. Of course I would think differently, but why should I pretend that I did lose someone when I didn\'t? Don\'t get wrong here, I\'m not cold hearted. I\'m still sympathetic to this day, but I\'m tired of this grieving upon grieving, upon grieving.
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Originally posted by Ashford
So you\'ve had enough of this BS but decided to come in here for some more BS?
Its very simple...
Post messages that fit this thread; otherwise, start another one and post in there.
I came to cease the BS. And state my opinion on the matter. These are forums aren\'t they?
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No one is asking you to cry a river...
This thread was only intended to offer condolences...
Now drop it and let this get back on topic.
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i\'m the one cryinging a river now? hmmmm....
I\'ll leave on that note.
Grieve away.
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Things could have been much worse, and I thank god for the lives he spared today by making these terrorist either to stupid or too idealistic to attack more viable targets. I also damn the same god, for creating these people in the first place. - Me 9/11/01
May god shepard and protect the soul of those who have died this day, and watch over those who can never forget it. - Me 9/11/01
I don\'t wanna start ~another~ argument.. so I\'ll leave it at that.
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Dedicated to the men, women and children who lost their lives;
all those who sacrificed their lives;
And to all the Heroes that responded to the emergency September, 11 2001
Take a few minutes of your lives that many of you take for granted and watch this.
http://www.politicsandprotest.org
If you don\'t get goosebumps or tears in your eyes, there is truly no hope for you.
GODBLESS
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wow, look at all those visits on that counter
looks like a 12 year old designed that site, and i guess you didnt notice the "hosted my penthouse" banner, ROFL!
capitalism even in mourning
they\'re saying "remember the victims with yer heart, AND yer wallet"
god, i love america
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Originally posted by mm
wow, look at all those visits on that counter
looks like a 12 year old designed that site, and i guess you didnt notice the "hosted my penthouse" banner, ROFL!
capitalism even in mourning
they\'re saying "remember the victims with yer heart, AND yer wallet"
god, i love america
geez :rolleyes:
I noticed everything about the site. You\'re missing the point did you watch the whole thing? I doubt u did. Not once during the entire presentation does it say "please give me your money"
This is a perfect example- if you can\'t say anything nice don\'t say it at all.
If I had mod status here in off topic, your post would be deleted. ;)
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why? i speak the truth
war is the most profitable business there is
the US needed a war and they got one
dont ya think they could have made that link smaller, or nonexistant? they want to inflict which emotion on that page? only reason i didnt remove the link was because you posted it. anyone else and it would have been gone
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And ppl said I was crazy when I called selective admin/mod policies in here.
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of course mods/admins get different treatment
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and no luckee, i wouldnt have deleted the link entirely
i would have edited a version without that bad link, so as to keep the 9/11 stuff, which is the secondary focus of that page
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Originally posted by Ryu
Meh, if anyone can get that bent out of shape for 3 lines text, then maybe you shouldn\'t have responded at all. :)
However, in retrospect, because of 9/11, our army and navy are fighting a battle across the seas for our beliefs. They are over there for us fighting for those who can\'t or won\'t. I honor them just the same as I honor the dead. You can disagree with that, but because you do, that won\'t stop me from expressing myself and what I feel.
A little delayed response here...but...
I wasn\'t bent out of shape at all. I don\'t have any problem with patriotism. I just think that it should be expressed along with sympothies for those who were hurt in this attack, not in place of them. *shrug* Nothing big really, just being picky.
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no let\'s see if mm gets attacked for criticizing America...
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ehhe, i get attacked no matter what i do
:(
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Hey, I actually agree with everything he\'s said so far. No attacking here.
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Same here -- 9/11 was beat into the ground yesterday, and it sucked. They viewed 9/11 from every single angle, showing any footage they could; it sucked. I truly wonder if they could show the footage of that whole day more, doesn\'t seem like they can cram it into our head any more if they even tried. God.
See Yuz.
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You gotta admit tho, it is pretty impressive how these stations managed to fit 26 hours worth of 9/11 rememberance programming into a 24 hour day. Quick, someone call Ripleys!
I did watch a little bit of it out of morbid curiosity. Well ok, mainly I was jus checking to see what time MSNBC was gonna air Bush\'s "Lets Gang-Rape Saddam" appeal to the UN so I could laugh as the rest of the world gave him the finger instead of a thumbsdown. I couldn\'t watch for long.. jus caught the ass end of a parade and the commercials busted in. Good god, those made me sick. For once in my life I was actually looking forward to the commercial breaks.. and it\'s all the same sappy stuff, but with product logos all over it. Yeah.. like some hilljack is really sitting back in the back woods of Kentucky with a tear in his eye sayin. "Gawd damn.. that was beautiful. God bless you Michillin. Ah\'m gunna buy meh 4 brand new steelbelted radials right now!!"
:rolleyes: At least ABC (CBS?) had the right idea 3 years ago when they aired "Shindlers List" completely free of commerical breaks. That\'s class.. that\'s something I wish we couldda seen yesterday. A 4-6 hour segment, a healthy chunk of the day, detailing and chronicaling the events of 9/11 with no sponsorship or commercial whoring about it. Pure and simple respect.. not using open wounds to bleed people of their money.