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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: luckee on September 15, 2002, 02:16:35 AM
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Officer Mistakenly Shoots Man
Police Officer Thought He Was Using Stun Gun When He Shot Man
The Associated Press
ROCHESTER, Minn. Sept. 13 — A police officer who thought he was using a stun gun to subdue a suspect mistakenly fired a bullet into the man\'s back, investigators said Friday.
The victim, Christofar Atak, was listed in fair condition.
An investigation into the Sept. 2 shooting found that Greg Siem thought he was holding a stun gun, Police Chief Roger Peterson.
The stun guns used by Rochester police look like handguns. They use an electric shock to temporarily incapacitate a person.
Atak, a refugee from civil war in Sudan, was drunk and acting violently at the time, police said.
"This family moved to get away from violence and they find themselves right back in it," said Atak\'s lawyer, William L. French.
The police chief said he spoke Thursday with Atak to apologize and explain the findings of the investigation.
Peterson said that Siem and a second officer who had both been on leave since the shooting can return to work.
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20020913_1291.html
A mistake my ass...
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For every "Bad" cop. There is ten good ones.
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I don\'t see why it couldn\'t be an accident?
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I don\'t either.
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After seeing some of the standard issue stun guns, I really don\'t see how he could have made the mistake. Plus most stunguns dont have safteys like the officers sidearm does.
Even if I could even imagine it to be one, how in the hell did he become cop and pass the exam if he is that stupid?
I hope this guy gets fired, there is no room for "mistakes" of this nature.
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shit happens, make up and move on.
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lol, luckee
nice try
Atak, a refugee from civil war in Sudan, was drunk and acting violently at the time,
i wonder how this entire thing could have been avoided?
what did i say in the other thread about drawing attention to yerself?
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Nice try at what? Do you have some sort of point?
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The cops had to use reasonable force I guess if he was acting violently. They usually give someone plenty of opportunity to surrender before they even consider shooting anyway.
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Yea, the good ones. I would have completely agreed if the cop actually used his baton..pepper spray, or the stun gun, but IMO he opted to shoot someone in the back.
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yer point was to make cops look bad since you hate em so much
the guy was foriegn, drunk, and acting violently
the cop reached and grabbed the wrong weapon, shit happens
the guy lived, and now he\'ll think twice before getting drunk and acting violently again in america
oh, and i hate everyone who works at macdonalds cause some chick forgot my fries last friday afternoon in the drivethru and i didnt have time to go back
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Thats right, I sure was making the bad cops look worse. Somebody has to do what they can if anything is going to change.
I dont dispute the guy was drunk and violent..thats very easy to believe. Guess what would happen to you or I if were to "accidently" shoot a person in the back that was getting violent with us.
I just cant buy it was an accident. Cops KNOW where their weapons are..at least they should. Cops KNOW what is a real gun and what is a stungun...least they should. Like I said before.."accidents" of this nature are simply unacceptable.
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the cop was probably scared for his safety, and grabbed what he thought was the stun gun
accidents happen
like everyone but you says, good cops completely outnumber bad cops
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Sounds like Mr. Christofar Atak is going to learn all about the american dream through a healthy lawsuit against the police department, and possibly the manufacturer of the stun gun. Oh yeah. :rolleyes: Of course the stun gun wasn\'t actually used in the shooting, so there\'s probably no legal basis for involving them.
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Originally posted by mm
accidents happen
like everyone but you says, good cops completely outnumber bad cops
yup, they do..and if this was truely an accident, does it change the fact the the officer shouldnt be fired? There is no room for accidents such as this.
when did I say that? Please do tell.
Core..in this case..I actually support a lawsuit..not agaisnt the dept. but the officer in question.
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Luckee try as you may, their are more good cops than bad. And this incident could have been an accident. We may be guessing that it was an accident but your guessing just as much with calling bullshit.
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Try what? You seem to have some mm-itis as well..lol I havent said nor have I ever said there are more bad than good. I dont care if there are only 1 bad for every 100 good. Im still going to point out the bad untill more is done to curb that type of behavior.
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Well its just you point out every bad thing cops do. And their will always be mistakes, nobody is perfect. Curbing this behavior will probably never happen. Oh and I\'m going to start posting all the amazing things cops do. ;)
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knock yourself out, funny thing is...you wont see the ppl that dislike cops shitting all over that thread like alot of you do when anti-cop stuff is posted.
I know no one is perfect, but 9 outta 10, this guy will get suspended with pay. Just think if you made that same type of mistake..at the least..manslaughter.
Thats what gets me the most..that and the fact I believe it to not be an accident. I just dont see how someone can be that stupid. How was that person allowed to be a cop.
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ACCIDENTS HAPPEN, and its different from a normal citizen doing it by that he\'s forced into those situations in the first place.
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where do you work, luckee?
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yeah i agree there is no way you can mistake a stun gun for a real gun, and if you can you shouldnt be in the police...
i take it this is in usa at first i was a bit worried, i live in rochester, but england...lol
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Originally posted by mm
where do you work, luckee?
My sig would be a good place to look
I cant wait to see what you have to say.
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yer design?
no comments
im asuming yer the A+ employee that never makes any mistakes
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No, not my design.
I sure do make mistakes at work, but not huge ones..nothing that would be similar to shooting someone in the back.
I figure you would have had something better than that to ask.
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no, its all in proportion
every drunk driver that is taken off the road and every murdurer that is put behind bars saves yer life in some small way
im sorry that you do not ackknowledge this
i pity you that you think thier job is so easy and you can sit back on yer ass and judge what they do
i also know better and realize this is all just part of the game you play here
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Who said I dont feel that way? Not I....Just b/c I will quickly and often point out the bad ones doesnt mean I do not realize the good ones out there and what they do.
I can judge who ever I choose to judge just as those judge me when ever they feel the need to do so. If the job is too much for those that cant handle the pressure and KNOW what weapon they are pulling, they shouldnt be in that line of work.
Not sure what game you are referring to or what is has to do with anything, but what ever floats your boat.
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They Both could be misconstrued (wow...big word) as a gun......but a gun would probly weigh more.......but Shit happens.......
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omg, it looks just like a gun!
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The handle looks the same to me as a pistol handle. And if it was an intense struggle I could see the accident happening very easily. Hmmppphhh
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One is a retard to not be able to distinguish a gun and a stungun. Im also wondering about a struggle since the guy was shot in the back. The only thing I could imagine is that the cop would have had the guy around the neck or something like how a bank robber would hold a hostage.
There has got to be more to this and I cant find anymore info on it.
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So your admitting that you\'re completely guessing on what happened? And how could you call one a retard for feeling a handle that is the same shape and grabbing it in a hurry?
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:rolleyes:
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Im not guessing anything except for if their was a struggle which the article doesnt mention, to how the guy would have been shot in the back.
The weight of each and balance is quite different. Goods cops know these things. This guy was a moron at best.
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have to agree with luckee, the guy was a moron. Though it was probably (I hope) an accident. There is a big difference in the weight between most firearms, and tasers. Also anyone who has fired a handgun knows that even a difference of a few ounces is noticible. He would have also noticed a different grip instantly.
My guess about this whole thing is that he panicked reached for his taser, instead he found his side arm and shot the guy.
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so, then you agree with us
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Put a loudmouth like luckee in a uniform and send him out to tangle with a drunken somalian. We\'ll see how calm and professional he acts... :rolleyes:
While I am sick of hearing about the police being "heroes", I most certainly would not want to do their job. Some can be pricks, but I don\'t think any of them would risk their job and pensions to shoot a drunken bastard in the back. Sounds like a simple mistake to me... ;)
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i agree with luckee that the guy had to have been mildly retarded to shoot the other guy, but I also agree with mm that it was an accident.
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the stungun would feel EXACTLY like a handgun, ESPECIALLY in a fight or flight situation
the officer probably felt in bodily harm so in reflex he grabbed what he thought was the stungun
we all agree that is was a stupid mistake, but police are humans and therefore idiots by nature, but no more than any other profession
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I\'ve fired both (glock and taser, assuming that his standard issue was a glock 9mm, or 40 cal), and the grip of the Taser is much different than that of a side arm, also the weight and balance is different. He knew it was not the taser, and in the heat of battle shot the guy.
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Thank you omen..my feelings on the subject, just a little more clearly.
Its just sad the guy still has a job.
but police are humans and therefore idiots by nature, but no more than any other profession
No one has disputed that.
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and like all humans this guy made a mistake, just unfortunelty for him he\'s in a business that a mistake can cause serious bodily injury, and/or death. It\'s basically the same a Doctor who\'s doing an opperation, run\'s into something that shouldn\'t be there, or something he\'s unfamilure with and wings it. However his winging it is the wrong call and it causes the patient to loose their arm.
Both made mistakes, and both little mistakes could have been either on the fly decisions, or careless mistakes. Either way, the mistake causes someone else injury.
at the very least, the officer should be suspended and investigated. Because either he isn\'t familure with his weapons, or has poor decision making skills. Either way, he shouldn\'t be on the street right now.
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u think police are the only profession where mistakes can cause bodily harm?
lol
professional wrestlers, athletes, food service, ERT\'s, astronauts, electricians, carpenters, cement finishers, airline pilots, dentists, doctors, surgeons, etc...
give it up, seriously
the man made a mistake, and the guy that got shot was asking for it
what happens when a cop shoots a kid in a dark alley cause the kid had a toy gun that looked VERY authentic. then what?
bash cops all you want, it takes kahones to do that job i know you dont have, and know what? neither do i
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How can you tell me what balls I have? I never wanted to be a cop..not even as a kid..always a firefighter..but thats besides the point. I couldnt be a cop..not b/c of a lack of balls..but a lack of paitience..You have alot of nerve....we already know you dont have the balls, you have to flex "authority" in here by threatening to ban some tool that called you racist..lol
As for the dark alley, the cop would need better sense..its called demanded for a possible offender to drop his/her weapon. There is a right and wrong way to do things in life..most choose the wrong way and needless shit happens.
I find it funny how me speaking out about something I despise that can affect any one of us..I get bashed by ppl which are not affected by what I say.
The guy did not deserve to get shot...
why do you keep pointing out that everyone makes mistakes..I know this..never denied this..but if you would have read my posts, you would notice that I will make an effort to point out everysingle bad..crooked or retard on the force when ever I can.
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im sorry luckee, were you saying something?
i like how you get mad when yer out in the open and cant hide behind yer cocky attitude
its so cute
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wanna know why i couldnt be a cop? i cant stand the youth today. "some people" *cough* hate cops cause they feel the cops bust on them for smoking weed and drinking underage, and generally being little dicks
case in point-
kid 1 - \'yo man, this damn cop pulled me over cause i had my neons under my ride on, and i was banging muh ghetto gunsmokers mp3 too loud while driving thru the burbs, errr i mean da hood\'
kid 2 - \'ya man, thats wack. why those cops always gotta be dissin us, yo. we just be trying to get our swerve on\'
i have no patience when it comes to crap like that
these kids wanna say F#$ the police and think thier hard, but they burst into tears when they have to call mommy to come bail them out
its called inferiority complex
theres no sense of being when yer not making a difference
it can be very painfull and frustrating
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you two should meet at the bikeracks after school. :D
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The guy brought attention to himself and if he didn\'t put up a struggle in the first place he would have never been shot or stun gunned.
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and on that note, boz sums up the entire response this thread should have ever received
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I always get a kick out of people who fight with the cops, or run from the cops.
It\'s like dude, it\'s the freaking police... do you expect to win?
I mean, they have helicopters and shit.
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Originally posted by mm
im sorry luckee, were you saying something?
Lets keep this on a decent level as it has been. Dont resort to those types of comments.
i like how you get mad when yer out in the open and cant hide behind yer cocky attitude
Once again, how do you know what Im feeling now? Im not mad about anything except one of my cars being out of commission.
theres no sense of being when yer not making a difference
How do you know what difference Im make or attempt to make? Me posting about bad cops is making a difference. If I can open up at least another set of eyes...Im happy with that. I also take part in protest\'s and petitons against police abuse.
it can be very painfull and frustrating
yes it can :(
The guy brought attention to himself and if he didn\'t put up a struggle in the first place he would have never been shot or stun gunned.-bozco
That has little merrit b/c Im not applauding the drunks actions. Yes he should have been dealt with..but shot..hardly..in the back at that.
PS..thanx for opening this back up.
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come on now, you know me better then to assume yer = you personally
99% of my statements are rhetorical
perhaps the cop did intend to shoot him with his real gun, and meant to shoot him in the leg to incapacitate him, but he missed, and the whole tazer thing is a coverup
violently resisting arrest (expecially while intoxixated) WILL get you hurt
the guy had it coming
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My whole point in any of this was that regardless of my feelings for bad cops..good copps..bad doctors..good teachers..bad gas station attendants.....
The guy needs to be fired..and at the least..suspended without pay pending him being retrained to handle situations better. Even a cop..omen..well almost anyway..can agree with that.
Im just too pessimistic to believe it was a "true" mistake. Espescially seeing and reading the things I have about the bad guys. I have never heard of a mistake of this caliber by a good guy.
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Can I interupt to say congratulation to Luckee, you\'ve just past the 4000 post mark!
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sure ya have
we just dont remember them, they dont stick out as much
gratz on 4k!
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I doubt that b/c if that was the case..they would go from a good guy to a bad guy in my book :D I also think that part of my feelings on this extend to my belief that everyone needs to take responsibility for their capacity. Even in situations as rape.(another can of worms if you are interested.)
BTW..thanx fella\'s..I didnt even realize I have gotten up to that point. I guess argueing and deabting really takes a toll..lol Least I can proudly say most of that has come from actually having something to say rather than just "lols" and the likes :D
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mm, you misinterpreted my comment. I was saying that cops have the unfortunet fate of having one of the jobs that can \'cause serious injury. They also have the responsibility of controling peoples fate. Not many jobs allow you to legally kill someone at your own discression.
And I think people are getting a bit touchy on this one, basically it seems to me that you all agree, but yet still disagree.
IMO it seems as though luckee and mm have the same basic idea, "the cop made a mistake, one way or the other (he knew it was a gun, or he didn\'t know it was a gun). Either way he shot the guy in the back, end of story. In any department you will get your ass reamed for making the bad decicion or mistaking a firearm, for a non-lethal. So no matter what the truth is, the cop was in the wrong.
Also the guy was in the wrong, obviously for resisting. But I don\'t think that one should even be debated, so I\'ll skip it.
And if anyone thinks I\'m a cop-hater, you might just want to check my profile ;)
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No wonder people make programs like the bill to take the piss out of cops.