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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: luckee on September 25, 2002, 09:32:31 PM
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Discuss....
1. Find a good excuse to invade a country that you want to build oil pipelines in but the taliban pre-9-11 blocked a big american companies request
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1984459.stm
2. Take it over, proceed to put in power a former oil exec who happens to work for the same oil company wanting to build the pipeline.
http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=2983&TagID=1
3. Then convince the american public you are "fighting" the war on terror while everyone responsible goes loose.
4. Sign the deal and build the pipeline.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/oil-j03.shtml
5. Go target another country (iraq) because if your citizens stop and realize how ****ed up your own country is... theyd call for your head.
Dont worry, if you follow these steps, you too can be president!
A great website with some disturbing questions... people need to know the truth. is anyone else worried about this? Or are you a blind patriot as well?
http://www.unansweredquestions.org/top_11.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sardi7.html
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I need to read this stuff later today. Interesting stuff Luckee.
I\'m just glad to have a thread that doesn\'t involve raping each other. Good job.
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I am British soo that mean that we as an nation, we have to pay the blood price for any action the US starts.
ah well i supose thats what happens when your Prime Minister is a Lap dog of the Bush Admin.
God we might as well become the 51 state and have done with it :rolleyes:
GW Bush = the man with his finger on the big RED button
T Blair = the man with his lips on the rear end of, the man with his finger on the big RED button
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Originally posted by luckee
Discuss....
2. Take it over, proceed to put in power a former oil exec who happens to work for the same oil company wanting to build the pipeline.
http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=2983&TagID=1
Nice link - I am surprised you didn\'t link to the Al Queda website for a reference. This is pathetic. Why don\'t you go to http://www.democrats.com and sign up with them to avoid WWIII that they claim the Republicans are going to start.
Why must people always claim this is over oil. Out of all the oil reserves in the world Russia has the largest. When the Middle East runs dry, Russia will be continuing to produce oil.
A few conspiracy theories and couple of cowards make for a good thread. :rolleyes:
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giga, that is what has happend though, no?
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No I don\'t believe it has. That source isn\'t valid in my opinion. It is clearly biased towards one view. These are great theories, but oil is not the motivating factor behind Afghanistan - it is radical islam.
Heh I hate that you posted two topics like this together - the Israel one and this one. This topic I find the least offensive as it is just speculation.
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You don\'t hate it that much, yer posting in them ;)
Biased like the BBC? The facts are that the now president use to work for Unocal, that Unocal is going to build a pipeline in Afhanistan, that they tried before but were turned down by the Taliban, and now theyre gone!
Everything else, yes, is biased, but paints a very un-pretty picture.
Find some other links regarding this, Im sure you will find it to be true.
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While I do not believe into everything such sites as the ones you linked me to claim, I do think there are few unexplained truths behind both the Terror Attacks and USA\'s reaction. One can only assume and build conspiracy theories. Yet it is rather a fact that media *never* shows the details behind the events. There is always something the common person isn\'t aware of.
But one has to realize, before reading the contents of those sites, that people whom have a lot of free time tend to make up theories - some that might seem very in-depth, official and intelligent - and then claim they represent the truth behind the current or past events. It has been so throughout our history - mysterious and suspicious cases get a multiplied impact once people start to over-exaggerate and build theories. JFK\'s assassination is one great example.
Do we *need* to know everything? Or would it be better if the bubble gets broken and every filthy detail spills into our media-ridden, secure world? Our mentality, our patrionism, our will to defend what is ours, are at stake here.
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So if that is so important, why shouldn\'t the "truth" be heard? Are they afraid we the people might actually catch on to them? Perhaps they think "our fragile widdle minds" could be over loaded?
There are alot of what ifs and unfortunately with Jr. as it was with his father, it seems to be over money. I mean, why not invade Saudi Arabia? They have more links to funding,supporting, and harboring(sp?) terrorists than anyone.
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Originally posted by luckee
So if that is so important, why shouldn\'t the "truth" be heard? Are they afraid we the people might actually catch on to them? Perhaps they think "our fragile widdle minds" could be over loaded?
There are alot of what ifs and unfortunately with Jr. as it was with his father, it seems to be over money. I mean, why not invade Saudi Arabia? They have more links to funding,supporting, and harboring(sp?) terrorists than anyone.
Bush hasn\'t got a ten year grudge with the Saudi\'s. If my memory serves me correctly the allied forces were taking off from there.
He\'s only it in to get one over on his old man, a terrifying nutter in a nice suit that wants a U.S. friendly nation in the middle east so he may be listened to by others when the people that really matter (the UK) are getting more and more pissed with him.
IMO he\'s a dangerous imbecile who thinks that TNT and the American way will solve any problem.
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Hasn\'t the UK learned its lesson from the previous World War? "Peace in our time" - Chamerlain... Next thing you know Hitler invades Poland. The UK owes its existance to the US. Don\'t get me wrong I love the UK and the people, but to criticize the US for trying to do something to prevent a repeat of history really ticks me off.
Most of the problems in the world today do not stem from the US - look farther back. They stem from the Colonialism and Imperialist policies of Great Britain. India and Pakistan - try blaming the US for that one. Kuwait should never have existed and wouldn\'t have, but British Petroleum had to have it. It really sickens me that some in the UK love to hate the US and its current President, when the roles are reversed we always back the UK. Don\'t believe me? Remember the Falkland Island Conflict???? The US provided intelligence to the UK without hesitation and this was over something as stupid as an old resupply island.
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funny you should mention britian and imperialism
remember this?
the sun never sets on the british empire
seems hitler and the romans weren\'t the only civilization hell bent on taking over the world
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Its ironic that people in the UK scold us for our actions...
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We don\'t scold you for your actions, we are just as anxious to get rid of Saddam.
What I don\'t like is the method, all that sabre rattling. If you\'re pissed off with someone the killing should be done quickly and efficiently rather that amassing a huge force in the desert while telling him your plans.
The same happened with Bin Laden and he got away.
And we are grateful for help, you are our strongest allies which is why we offer criticism and opinion.
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Yeah I too am afraid he will run just like Osama. Then again this sabre rattling could be a propoganda tactic for something else.
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We all know Saddam\'s a total loon, I don\'t even think the threat of a nuke would worry him.
There will be a war at some point, maybe next year as it\'s very PR based at the moment and they wouldn\'t want to fight over Christmas. It goes without saying that we\'ll wipe the floor with them as they\'re a sad shell of a country, more top heavy than Dolly Parton and very willing to die for no point whatsoever but what I need as evidence to go to war is for the weapons inspectors to find something other than traces of chemicals etc...
And Bin Laden,.........He\'s been hiding from people better than us for 20-25 years, I\'m afraid he\'s probably gone, although his own mother would find and kill him for the bounty of $25m.
Although I did have a thought the other day, who would be Osama Bin Ladens greatest ally at the moment and who would probably find it quite easy to hide him?
Saddam.
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That is what they have been reporting - an alliance between Bin Laden and Saddam. As for the UN Inspectors - its too easy to hide stuff.
Last time they were there the Iraqis would organize traffic jams to buy time for them to move their weapons, tools whatever and by the time the inspectors arrived there would be nothing there. I am afraid it will be the same story this time around.
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Have you read the Dossier by any chance?
It\'s 55 pages so I read it the other day while I was at work, may as well get paid for it.
It doesn\'t give any new evidence it just pulls together everything we know already and makes it look worse because it\'s all together, but it\'s still a really good read.
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Originally posted by Samwise
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:laughing:
The bestest president!!!
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
That is what they have been reporting - an alliance between Bin Laden and Saddam. As for the UN Inspectors - its too easy to hide stuff.
The president and the media have done a good job brainwashing then. Saddam\'s name hasn\'t been in the news for a while untill 9/11, then he is conviently brought back into the picture when every american is sensing one of the greatest surges of patriotism since WWII.
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I dunno.. the more and more I hear about it.. the more and more it sounds like a setup. Everything in politics has an ulterior motive that the general public doesn\'t know about.. or isn\'t focused upon. "Patriotism" is most certainly a worth cause to go after these bastards for after the tragedy of 9/11... but there\'s other forces at work here. Don\'t fool yourself. That pipeline thru Afghanistan and the impending attack on Iraq are prime examples. They are things that NEED to be done anyhow.. and by doing them the way they have been is killing two birds with one stone.
As for Saddam.. don\'t fool yourself. He\'s scared shytless that we\'re gonna come after him.. but he\'s scared of something else even worse, loosing the iron grip he has on his people. He\'s not gonna run.. either way he\'s outta power so it\'s just as bad for him really. (Since I doubt if we catch him that we\'ll kill him..) What I\'m worried about.. is the "If I\'m gonna go out, I\'m gonna take as many of those bastards with me as possible" syndrome. He\'s got nothing to loose at this point because really.. he\'s already lost it. It\'s just a matter of time. The one thing he\'s got which can be called an "Ace" in any sence of the word is his stockpile of Chem/Bio weapons. If he\'s gonna go outta power.. you damn well know he\'s gonna give as much of them to Terrorists as possible for use against the US and (to a much lesser extent) to US allies. It doesn\'t help that the news media is tellin him exactly what we\'re doing and when we\'re doing it so that he can make preperations.
As for Osama Bin Laden.. there\'s pretty much no excuse for not finding him yet. With the technology we have.. he should be no problem to track down. Yet.. we can\'t find him. Why? We had him cornered in Tora Bora, but we let him go. Why? Newsweek reported on several Afghani civilians who escorted the Al-Queda soldiers out of Afghanistan and into Pakistan. They never should have left those caves.. but while we were bombing a bare path miles away they were simply walking out of the region with barely a whisper of worry that we were on to them. The only real area of concern was the Pakistani border which a conviently timed "crisis" with India left barely guarded.
I dunno.. It jus smells fishy to me. I ain\'t to the point where I believe what I\'m thinking now.. but I\'m getting there as more and more news I hear comes trickling in from various sources.