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Title: Red Dragon
Post by: videoholic on October 04, 2002, 06:41:20 PM
Well my wifey and I went and saw it tonight and I\'d have to say it\'s a billion times better than Hannibal and actually almost as good as Silence of the Lambs.

I don\'t want to give away anything, but I\'d have to recomend it.  Certainly more enjoyable than just about every movie I\'ve seen since TLOTR.
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: GmanJoe on October 04, 2002, 06:43:28 PM
I saw Red Dragon back in the 80\'s...the original Michael Mann version. But they re-titled it as Man Hunter.

Story wise...it\'s the best. Suspense wise.....Silence of the Lambs was better.

No, I have no seen the new Red Dragon yet.
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: videoholic on October 04, 2002, 06:50:27 PM
People on the net that compare it to Man Huntersay that Man Hunter was better, but Ralph Fiennes is damn good.   And I love Edward Norton.  The dude kicked ass in Presumed Innocent.

They changed the ending though.  A little added touch.
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: Heat on October 04, 2002, 07:18:57 PM
Comes out soon over here, looks pretty good.
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: Kurt Angle on October 05, 2002, 03:42:28 AM
Hannibal Lecter is the best character that Anthony Hopkins has ever played IMO.
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: GmanJoe on October 05, 2002, 06:07:52 AM
*rubs eyes...yawns* I saw the 1am movie. Now THAT was good. Fienes was not scary enough compared to the original Man Hunter. Edward Norton, great actor....was a little too wimpy for this role compared to the original guy. Hopkins....stole the show. Better suspense than the original, IMO.
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: SER on October 05, 2002, 08:29:32 PM
Hmm, Hannibal sucked major ass. That was the first movie in the theaters that caused me to fall alseep.. It was a toss up between The Tuxedo and Red Dragon yesterday night, so me and my girlfriend picked The Tuxedo. It\'s pretty good actually..

I will probably wait till Red Dragon gets to the discount movies, when it costs like 2 bucks to see it. ;)
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: kopking on October 06, 2002, 10:55:39 AM
weird i took my gf to see it yesterday night.... i really enjoyed it, man ever since i saw american history x, edward norton has become one of my fav actors..... i thought he was very good in this, i never saw the original man hunter, though have heard its very good..... i want to see it.. i really wanted to see this, enjoyed it a lot, cant say if its better than silent of the lambs.... been a while since i saw it..... what they change about the ending???? do it a spoiler thing....


next i wanna see, 1 hour photo, and i saw a advert from a film there, cant remember the name, but its set in ww2 i think, and peep kill the nazi in a trench,  and  have to protect it till others come , any one know what its called, or when i can find info on it...... there was another film that look ed good, cant remember what its called now
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: Jerchel on October 06, 2002, 10:59:54 AM
Could you tell me how long the movie actually was... just around what?
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: Mercury_Shadow on October 06, 2002, 11:25:19 AM
I bet it was that great all because of Ed Norton
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: kopking on October 06, 2002, 11:59:58 AM
i really have no idea, seemed kind along. i didnt relise it was even out yet, i thought it was coming out in a few weeks or something, id say over 2 hours....


and yes ednorton does make it rock, i though a. hopkins was very good, but not as good as in sotl, it was kinda weird cos as its a prequel to sotl, but hes older, so they had to dye his hair, in the first scenes, i dunno a . hopkins look weird, cos he got black hair, and  his eyebrows just look weird
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: Mr. Kennedy on October 06, 2002, 06:32:31 PM
So on a gore ranking, how does this fall?
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: videoholic on October 06, 2002, 06:40:03 PM
Very low.  Hardly any gore.  it\'s all subliminal.  This is a total departure from Hannibal.  It\'s good. Hannibal sucked ass.
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: Living-In-Clip on October 06, 2002, 07:02:51 PM
There is almost zero gore - if any at all.

Manhunter focused on Will Graham, the broken and troubled cop. It diverted on the book in that sense, because the book was much more about \'The Tooth Fairy\' and Will\'s struggle. However, at the time, people was watching movies about broken cops and not serial killers, so Manhunter was changed for its time and was a great movie - and by all means, is still a great movie.

However, Red Dragon - the new movie is much more focused on the book and explains a lot more about \'The Tooth Fairy\' and the serial killer mindset.

See, if you go back and watch Silence of the Lambs it was not about Hannibal or Buffalo Bill - it was Clarice\'s story and it was about her own struggle. Red Dragon was about Will\'s struggle and also about \'The Tooth Fairy\'. That\'s why they\'re good movies. Simply because they do not focus on Hannibal  who really is nothing more than a means to keep the story goin\' and a supporting character and that is my opinion on why Hannibal was so terrible. IT took a secondary character and tried to move him to the fore front, when he really was much more suited for the background.

PS - The new and improved ending was spectacular.
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Post by: Jerchel on October 07, 2002, 10:08:03 AM
On one to ten how scary is it actually?
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Post by: videoholic on October 07, 2002, 10:21:16 AM
4..  They do some cheap scarey things like Screach a sound affect and blast a flashback on the screen real quick, but you can kind of antisipate when it\'s going to come because it gets real slow so you are just waiting for something to happen.

But all in all I can\'t say I was ever scared at all during the thing.

But I am a man with a long penis don\'t forget...  It may be different for you little people.
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: Jerchel on October 07, 2002, 10:27:39 AM
I don\'t usually find movies that scary.  So I guess that one would be about the same to me as a movie that isn\'t quite scary.  I\'ll wait for the DVD.
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: kopking on October 07, 2002, 11:43:26 AM
i really wanna see man hunter so i can compare the too....


yeah very little gore, there i sonly one scene for a sec where it flashes up...


yeah i agree even though hanniabal is a big thing in it, he is actually a secondary character...


i though a.hopkins was a but better in sotl

one thing i didnt like , is it never really explained what the thing the tooth fairy was becoming was, even if they had a scene where ed norton was reading a book, to make it clearer would of helped a bit
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: Living-In-Clip on October 07, 2002, 06:44:26 PM
Hopkin\'s bites the big one when compared to Cox.

Thank you.

By the way - Kop, did you even pay attenion to the movie? It did explain what \'The Tooth Fairy\' was becoming and is fairly obvious within the first hour....
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: kopking on October 09, 2002, 11:25:35 AM
lol i meant in more detail, i know he was becoming........



**** spoiler*****



the dragon thing, cant remeber the name, but i meant in more detail, like what its powers etc it was meant to have, the history of it etc
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on October 12, 2002, 07:52:16 AM
saw the movie. wasn\'t expecting it to be a prequal. but still pretty kewl.

"Spoiler sorta"

There\'s a lesson to be told. Make sure you make your OWN home videos. You\'ll be much safer.. MUHAHAHAHAHAH unless there gay porn. Then sammy will accept them.
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: Jar O Pickles on October 17, 2002, 10:49:21 AM
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Hopkin\'s bites the big one when compared to Cox.

Thank you.

By the way - Kop, did you even pay attenion to the movie? It did explain what \'The Tooth Fairy\' was becoming and is fairly obvious within the first hour....


you said cox and bite the big one in the same sentence thats funny stuff

i saw the movie yesterday great stuff really well done im glad it didnt turn out like hannibal who made that piece of crap anyway
which reminds me has ray liotta done anything good besides goodfellas, field of dreams, and playing himself on just shoot me
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: kopking on October 17, 2002, 11:17:37 AM
yea, hes in the one with the boat 2 eep on one, find a guy in a dingy, get him on the boat to save him....cant remeber the name right now, but real good....he is in a film called pheonix, seen him in lots, but hes not a big part actor in them, well in some.....


isnt he in no way out?? or something like that, about the future, and he put in a prison, that is actually a big island... sorry about the vagueness. ill try to find more info
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: kopking on October 17, 2002, 11:22:01 AM
FILM/TV CREDITS
- Blow (2002)
- Heartbreakers (2001)
- Muppets From Space (1999)
- Forever Mine (1999)
- The Rat Pack (1998) [TV]
- Phoenix (1998)
- Cop Land (1997)
- Turbulence (1997)
- Unforgettable (1996)
- Operation Dumbo Drop (1995)
- Corrina, Corrina (1994)
- No Escape (1994)
- Article 99 (1992)
- Unlawful Entry (1992)
- Women & Men 2: In Love... (91)[TV]
- GoodFellas (1990)
- Field of Dreams (1989)
- Arena Brains (1988)
- Dominick and Eugene (1988)
- Something Wild (1986)
- Our Family Honor (1985) [TV]
- Casablanca (1983) [TV]
- The Lonely Lady (1983)
- Crazy Times (1981) [TV]
- Hardhat and Legs (1980) [TV]
- Another World (1979) [TV]





maybe it wasnt him in  the one about the boat. but if anyone remebers what its called tell me, its gonna annoy me till i find whats it called
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: Coredweller on October 17, 2002, 11:26:53 AM
Manhunter is enjoyable, but it looks dated by today\'s standards.  If you watch it again, I think you\'ll be disappointed by the cast which is a laundry list of crappy 80\'s 2nd rate actors.  William L. Peterson, Kim Greist, Dennis Farina, etc.  Looks like a bunch of Miami Vice guest stars.  Not surprising considering it was directed by Michael Mann.
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: Jar O Pickles on October 17, 2002, 12:02:03 PM
operation dumbo drop and corrina, corrina right next to each other he sure knows how to pick \'em
its sad the only movie people ever talk about him being in was made 12 years ago
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: kopking on October 17, 2002, 12:10:04 PM
unlawful entry is good
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: Living-In-Clip on October 18, 2002, 02:42:32 AM
Watch it again? I\'ve got the two-disc DVD and still consider it one of the best movie\'s of the eighties and a great movie in by today\'s standard.
Title: Red Dragon
Post by: kopking on October 20, 2002, 08:27:15 AM
theres a 2 disc of goodfellas???? damn i gotta find this