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Title: The Serial Sniper left a "calling card".
Post by: GmanJoe on October 09, 2002, 03:05:36 AM: If you haven\'t heard, there\'s a sniper on the loose in the suburbs of WashDC. He\'s killed 6 and wounded 2, all from long range in just 5 days. He did not kill anyone this weekend which may indicate that he may actually have a family to attend to (or at least some sort of responisibility which kept him away). The last known victim was 13 year old boy. He\'s alive but in critical yet stable condition.

The police found a tarot card. The Skeleton card with the words "I am God."

Police won\'t comment on that evidence yet. The facts are these : he will kill you in places where you\'d think your safe in numbers. All victims were killed within site of passersby, one at a gorcery store, two at a gas station, one on a bench, one near a busy intersection (pushing a lawn mower), another at a street corner. The two survivors : one in front of a store and the other was just dropped off in front of a school. All of them occuring around rush hour, morning and afternoon.

MAkes me wonder how long the press will realize that GTA3 has a sniper rifle.
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Post by: CHIZZY on October 09, 2002, 03:09:58 AM: ^^^ you prick!

at least wait until vice city is released, and I have my copy!!!!!!!!

So I get bored, you know what rush hour is like....

seriously, though- you know that this is some middle-aged white guy with a bitchy wife, right?
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Post by: videoholic on October 09, 2002, 03:25:03 AM: I watched Dateline last night and they were talking a ll about it. Fascinating case.

Where the heck did you see this terot card thing? They finally found a spent casing at one of the scenes, but that all I saw. Here is one quote I found a few minutes ago.

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“He’s different,” said Robert K. Ressler, a former FBI profiler who directs Forensic Behavioral Services International in Spotsylvania County. “It’s just a gunshot. There is virtually nothing at the crime scene to profile. There are no behavioral clues at the scene. Profiling is not going to be very effective.”
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This dude is freaky. Sometimes it\'s good to live in FL.

EDIT:

Just found this, so I guess they did find something. This guy is a whacko.
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TUESDAY NIGHT, police sources confirmed to the Washington Post that detectives found the Tarot card for Death near the scene where a 13-year-old boy was shot and wounded Monday outside a middle school in Prince George’s County, Md.
The sources said the card, which was discovered in a matted-down wooded area about 150 yards from the entrance to the school, bore a scribbled message, reading, “Dear Policeman, I am God.”
Title: The Serial Sniper left a "calling card".
Post by: CHIZZY on October 09, 2002, 03:47:04 AM: I just figured out who\'s behind this...

HOLLYWOOD!

think about it... there are plenty of washed-up actors out there... why not hire one to follow your script, then get the movie rights, make a movie about it, and rake it in!

wait, that\'s a little far-fetched even for hollywood. But wait! there\'s a script in itself....

EDIT:

/me points at everyone...

PATENT-PENDING, PATENT-PENDING, PATENT-PENDING...

:laughing:
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Post by: Unicron! on October 09, 2002, 05:13:37 AM: He wants to beleive that he is somethig like a God or a God and wants people\'s attention so they would know it (that he is a God or someone mystiriously powerfull).He is trying to look like an invisible thread.Invisible like a powerfull entity perhaps that can not be cought but awe.

The sure thing is he is crazy.
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Post by: videoholic on October 09, 2002, 05:51:28 AM: The cops I think are pissed that this got leaked out to the media. This implies to me that they actually have more evidence than they are leaking out, which is a good thing.

They shouldn\'t tell the public a damn thing besides the particulars about the murders.
Title: The Serial Sniper left a "calling card".
Post by: GmanJoe on October 09, 2002, 05:59:28 AM: Looks like a lot of people are talking about the man being influenced by video games.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62921-2002Oct8.html

Oh well....hopefully, GTA VC will be released with very little protest.
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Post by: Bjorn on October 09, 2002, 06:07:42 AM: sounds like one messed up mofo :/

where the hell would he get hold of a sniper rifle??
Title: The Serial Sniper left a "calling card".
Post by: Kurt Angle on October 09, 2002, 06:51:05 AM: Are all the attacks racially motivated also?
Title: The Serial Sniper left a "calling card".
Post by: GmanJoe on October 09, 2002, 07:18:11 AM: No. All random.
Title: The Serial Sniper left a "calling card".
Post by: nataku on October 09, 2002, 07:32:18 AM: Quote
Originally posted by GmanJoe
Looks like a lot of people are talking about the man being influenced by video games.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62921-2002Oct8.html

Oh well....hopefully, GTA VC will be released with very little protest.

That\'s bull they blame videogames for crap like this. Why don\'t they ever blame bad parenting? That would be more of a factor then videogames would.

Hell, if anything, videogames would help people who do this crap. If they have the sudden ambition to go snipe a few people, get a game like Silent Scope or GTA and kill all the "people" you want... you won\'t be hurting a fly.

Why don\'t they try blaming Nerf guns or paintballing. Those things are a hell of a lot more real than videogames. You use gun shaped objects and fire real ammo at other people. You just use a controller in videogames. :rolleyes:
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Post by: on October 09, 2002, 07:33:50 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Bjorn
where the hell would he get hold of a sniper rifle??

He\'s using the extremly popular .223 round. Tons and tons of common hunting rifles use this caliber. Any rifle can be equiped with a scope. I think the Colt AR-15 rifle is also .223.
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Post by: CHIZZY on October 09, 2002, 07:55:32 AM: Mine is....

go into any gun shop and ask for a remmington 700 in .223. get a scope & practice.
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Post by: Bozco on October 09, 2002, 08:49:13 AM: This is interesting in a sick way, I still hope we gets caught soon.
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Post by: Jerchel on October 09, 2002, 08:51:53 AM: Interesting... and strange.
Title: The Serial Sniper left a "calling card".
Post by: GigaShadow on October 09, 2002, 08:54:58 AM: Hell why not blame it on a movie - one comes to mind: Enemy at the Gates.

Sure it was a war movie, but he is using the same tactics.
Title: The Serial Sniper left a "calling card".
Post by: Bozco on October 09, 2002, 09:08:00 AM: Pointing fingers is worthless, anything can tip a man over the edge. No sense in blocking the nation from everything.

Hell he could have even been trained by the US themselves. Being some lunatic Ex-Navy Seal or something.
Title: The Serial Sniper left a "calling card".
Post by: on October 09, 2002, 09:08:55 AM: Anyone with a steady hand can commit a crime like this. It\'s not the gun\'s fault, it\'s not a video game\'s fault. The world has its share of nutcases, and this guy is just one of them, in my opinion.

Might even be a girl. I bet he/she is trying to be the next son of sam.
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Post by: Bozco on October 09, 2002, 09:11:26 AM: He seems above that, David Berkowitz was crazy. This guy seems to be more of someone that just thrives off of killing but is still here in the head.
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Post by: Darth Joyda on October 09, 2002, 09:12:26 AM: A very intriguing and thouthg-provoking case indeed. This man has to be a skilled sniperist, for it is not as easy as one may think to kill with one shot and walk away as if nothing happened.

I can not even imagine how lunatic the person is. Murdering random people without any logic or motive.

Hopefully they catch the bastard soon.

I would hate to live in Washington D.C. at the moment. It is a frightening thought that his next victim, if he continues his killing-spree, is walking out there, hoping not to get shot by the sniperist.
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Post by: mjps21983 on October 09, 2002, 09:47:22 AM: Intriguing as this is its f*cking sick. I mean as everyone else has said, who the hell would do this. Boz you can too be crazy and yet, a thought out planner. Perfect chance he could be a schitzo(sp?) Would all make sense. He just needs to be caught, not so much killed, but caught so he can be studied, who knows this could be the next profiling gener for serial killers, one who is random and unseen!!!
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Post by: videoholic on October 09, 2002, 09:58:29 AM: What\'s sad is there is a 110% chance this dude is going to off himself before he gets cought. We will never know.
Title: The Serial Sniper left a "calling card".
Post by: Kurt Angle on October 09, 2002, 10:06:27 AM: I can see him probably being involved in an armed seige of some sort. The end result of which is him being carried out in a body bag.
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Post by: GigaShadow on October 09, 2002, 10:09:34 AM: I don\'t think he is that skilled. After all he has left two survivors, this is some sick person who is getting kicks out of killing. It was just a matter of time before someone thought of this and actually carried it out. We have a new type of serial killer - one who doesn\'t like to get close to his victims.
Title: The Serial Sniper left a "calling card".
Post by: Luke on October 09, 2002, 10:18:44 AM: ill catch him...

*puts on batman uniform*
Title: The Serial Sniper left a "calling card".
Post by: Samwise on October 09, 2002, 10:47:41 AM: *puts on Robin uniform*

Now bring it on Suger Daddy.
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Post by: Darth Joyda on October 09, 2002, 11:16:21 AM: *wields his lightsaber*

Ready to kick some Sniper-butt!

:evil:
Title: The Serial Sniper left a "calling card".
Post by: Living-In-Clip on October 09, 2002, 11:39:55 AM: So it has been confirmed, he is indeed leaving a tarot card or is this a current rumor?

I remember reading about how they was not sure if it was a sniper plus a get away driver, or just a lone gunmen.
Title: The Serial Sniper left a "calling card".
Post by: square_marker on October 09, 2002, 11:47:37 AM: it is seriously probably some disgruntled american who is mad and taking it out on the countrymen he hates.
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Post by: ben_high on October 09, 2002, 11:50:38 AM: Doubt he was trained in the military.He probably wouldn\'t leave behind the shell casing if he was.Not a very smooth character either.I mean leaving behind a tarot card is fine and all,but writing"dear policeman I am god"?That just smacks of trying too hard to be cool.
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Post by: Kurt Angle on October 09, 2002, 11:51:43 AM: Ps2_girl will sort him out!

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Post by: kopking on October 09, 2002, 12:20:08 PM: im glad i live in england, too cold for a sniper to see out and wait...

but seriously this is very disturbing, i heard about the tarot card thing... said something like " i am a god" or some shit like that..... i dunno i got a felling its not real, some kid playing a prank. i mean a about the tarot card
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Post by: mjps21983 on October 09, 2002, 12:36:20 PM: Quote
Originally posted by GigaShadow
- one who doesn\'t like to get close to his victims.

Basically what I said, dunno if you saw my post above or not???
Title: The Serial Sniper left a "calling card".
Post by: Styx on October 09, 2002, 01:06:53 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Sara
Anyone with a steady hand can commit a crime like this. It\'s not the gun\'s fault, it\'s not a video game\'s fault. The world has its share of nutcases, and this guy is just one of them, in my opinion.

Might even be a girl. I bet he/she is trying to be the next son of sam.

Thats what the calling card is for he is trying to make a name other then the sniper
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Post by: Heat on October 09, 2002, 03:07:18 PM: I\'d own him............ in UT :(
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Post by: Halberto on October 09, 2002, 03:08:29 PM: Though its sick but theres a feeling in my stomach that wonders how many people can he kill and fade away.
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Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on October 09, 2002, 03:17:00 PM: After they catch him it\'ll end up a movie. Probably called "SNIPER"
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Post by: Bozco on October 09, 2002, 03:18:36 PM: Considering he has only messed up once, leaving the spent cartridge, who knows how long this could last.
Title: The Serial Sniper left a "calling card".
Post by: Coredweller on October 09, 2002, 04:56:10 PM: Theres one thing none of you have considered...

Maybe it is God who\'s doing this, and he\'s pissed off at us! That\'s right, God got sick of our BS, and decided to put a little fear of himself into us.

Ok, maybe not. This dude is not only sick, he\'s also a dumbass. Everyone knows the "Death" card (the one with the skeleton) does not represent literal death. It represents change. If he wanted to be really scary, he would have left the "Devil" card.

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Post by: fastson on October 09, 2002, 05:47:02 PM: But then he cant say "Im god" if he has a devil on the card.. LMAO SILLYYYYYY!11 :nerd:

Oh and maybe he\'s trying to change something?

Oh and yes, he is sick.
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Post by: GmanJoe on October 10, 2002, 03:16:12 AM: Another was shot dead last night. Witness said they saw a white van speeding away from the scene.
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Post by: videoholic on October 10, 2002, 03:33:12 AM: Another dude down at a gas station....
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Post by: Coredweller on October 10, 2002, 05:28:42 AM: This is great! I\'m going to DC in 2 weeks for a business meeting! I guess I\'ll be running zig zags whenever I\'m outside the building. :laughing:
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Post by: fastson on October 10, 2002, 06:00:14 AM: Yes, dont forget to sidestep alot.. If your lucky you will start to lag in his scope..

You\'ll be impossible to hit.

Thats what I do in Delta Force all the time :nerd:
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Post by: ben_high on October 10, 2002, 06:16:34 AM: Yeah plus you need to carry a knife wherever you go.It\'ll help you run faster.If you can,buy some smoke grenades too.They cause lag possibly buying you valuable seconds and a chance to survive.
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Post by: CHIZZY on October 10, 2002, 06:49:54 AM: ...and hope he doesn\'t have any cigarrettes or special pills....

(MGS2.... anyone?) ;)
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Post by: GigaShadow on October 10, 2002, 07:10:31 AM: Smoke grenades!!! LOL... what color smoke?
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Post by: Samwise on October 10, 2002, 08:26:02 AM: Pfft, I\'d just throw a flashbang... the sucka would be blind for several seconds (unless he turns around and faces a wall).
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Post by: Unicron! on October 10, 2002, 08:33:43 AM: Whats after the few second blindness?You ll l have to know when to blind him also.Only when he shoots at you ll know when and its more surely he wont miss the target.
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Post by: Samwise on October 10, 2002, 08:48:42 AM: For those who\'re lost at the smoke grenade, knife and flashbang talk...

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Title: The Serial Sniper left a "calling card".
Post by: Unicron! on October 10, 2002, 09:38:09 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Samwise
For those who\'re lost at the smoke grenade, knife and flashbang talk...

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:laughing:
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Post by: GigaShadow on October 10, 2002, 09:48:55 AM: LOL didn\'t notice the sniper rifle and smoke nade till just now!!!
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Post by: Darth Joyda on October 10, 2002, 10:58:29 AM: If you don\'t have enough cash to buy weapons, just gather a large group of friends. That will probably cause the connection between you and the sniper lag, \'thus giving you enough time to find a cover.
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Post by: kopking on October 10, 2002, 12:19:18 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Coredweller
Theres one thing none of you have considered...

Maybe it is God who\'s doing this, and he\'s pissed off at us! That\'s right, God got sick of our BS, and decided to put a little fear of himself into us.

Ok, maybe not. This dude is not only sick, he\'s also a dumbass. Everyone knows the "Death" card (the one with the skeleton) does not represent literal death. It represents change. If he wanted to be really scary, he would have left the "Devil" card.

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i was gonna say the same thing, well atleast about the death card.... that it doesnt actually mean death...
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Post by: GmanJoe on October 10, 2002, 01:27:08 PM: He\'s "changing" life around here.
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Post by: ben_high on October 10, 2002, 05:48:59 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Samwise
For those who\'re lost at the smoke grenade, knife and flashbang talk...

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Satan\'s an AWP\'er?Always pegged him for a knifer.:D
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Post by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on October 10, 2002, 06:15:48 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Samwise
Pfft, I\'d just throw a flashbang... the sucka would be blind for several seconds (unless he turns around and faces a wall).

Even if he faces a wall it\'s most likely gonna still blind him because light bounces. Silly sammy.
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Post by: Jar O Pickles on October 10, 2002, 10:18:07 PM: dude guys what if it really is god thats doing this?
you know he just gonna hire some fancy lawyer like jonny cochran and get aquitted i mean who gonna put god in jail
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Post by: Luke on October 10, 2002, 10:25:38 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Jar O Pickles

you know he just gonna hire some fancy lawyer like jonny cochran

THIS IS CHEWBACCA... IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE!
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Post by: Ace on October 11, 2002, 07:40:49 AM: I think some moron was on a morning show today saying he believes this might be a result of videogames. He said it\'s quite possible to become a sharp shooter because of certain games using scopes. What a maroon!

Ace
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Post by: GmanJoe on October 11, 2002, 08:11:32 AM: Another victim shot dead. Dammit!
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Post by: Halberto on October 11, 2002, 11:54:17 AM: Damn this guy is good but in a bad way :sconf:

Sick but impressive how he is making the Police look horrible.
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Post by: Coredweller on October 11, 2002, 01:00:05 PM: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20021011/ap_on_re_us/sniper_shootings_97

I think they\'re going to get this guy SOON.[/i].

They have surveillance video from two of the crime scenes.
They\'ve got thousands of leads.
One of those leads is guaranteed to be the dude\'s neighbor turning him in. How hard is it to spot a white van?

What\'s frightening is that witnesses said they saw more than one person in the van. That means it\'s a conspiracy, and possibly a terrorist action. Gotta admit that makes more sense than the lone nut theory.
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Post by: Bozco on October 11, 2002, 01:06:19 PM: I mean how many people drive white vans? 1...2?

Quote
That means it\'s a conspiracy, and possibly a terrorist action. Gotta admit that makes more sense than the lone nut theory.

Where you got terrorism from 2 people possibly in the van is beyond me.
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Post by: Jar O Pickles on October 11, 2002, 02:41:57 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Bozco
I mean how many people drive white vans? 1...2?

Where you got terrorism from 2 people possibly in the van is beyond me.
cause only crazy religous fanatical terrorist drive white vans
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see that if that doesnt strike fear into the hearts of the infidels i dont know what will

i think somebody who\'s still pissed cause the washington wizards used to be called the bullets and wants the name changed back
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Post by: Coredweller on October 11, 2002, 03:07:18 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Bozco
I mean how many people drive white vans? 1...2?

Where you got terrorism from 2 people possibly in the van is beyond me.
Why are you always so contrary? Come on, Boz, get those brain cells working... I\'ll help you, just work with me...

1. Assuming you can narrow down the van type to a particular make or type, like say "panel van" instead of "minivan," that would produce a list of around several thousand white vans in the DC metro area. A large list, but not so large that you couldn\'t start whittling it down to males within a certain age group, etc. It\'s basic police work.

2. Explain to me why two people working together, driving around in a van shooting strangers with a rifle are NOT terrorists. Do you know what a terrorist is? It means they have a plan, they\'re trying to further a political agenda, make a statement, whatever. They\'re not just crazies who flipped out one afternoon while watching Maury Povich. It\'s highly unlikely that TWO people would do this just for the hell of it. Maybe if they were both high for an afternoon, but it wouldn\'t go on for weeks like this. If there are really two of them, then they are trying to accomplish something. Complete a mission of some sort. The number of shootings indicates that they are being methodical.
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Post by: Jumpman on October 11, 2002, 08:29:57 PM: I honestly don\'t know what to make of this (brilliant) psycho.

The thing that really makes me wonder is why this guy(more than 1?) keeps driving that white van. The police are half-descent at putting the pieces together. They know whoever is beyind these snipers is driving a white van. Its not a coincidence. Unless the person driving the van knows the sniper and is there just to throw the police off track, which would be idiotic since he could always lead them to the real killer...

Its obvious the guy who is doing the shooting is intelligent to say the least. You can\'t just kill multiple people without trying and expect to get away with it. It takes a fair amount of planning for each of these. First he\'s got to find a spot where he can shoot at a crowd of some sort which also leads a safe way to his getaway vehicle. He has to make sure no one knows where the shots coming from so no one can follow him if someone sees him(although he probably shoots then immediately runs). He is definitely doing a great job in covering his tracks though. He needs a clear route back to his house/hide-out with some kind of storage room where he can hide the van. He\'s probably too paranoid to leave it in the open. Good decision because already some scared person ratted their neighbour out. He doesn\'t want to go down by "luck". He\'s trying to leave a perminent stain here. If someone gets him by luck then they\'ll receive the attention, not him.

Using the same van over and is his biggest mistake though. If someone gets his liscense number then he might be totally screwed. He couldn\'t be doing a better job with everything else though unfortunately...

I don\'t keep he can keep this up forever though. I think Bush even said their main concern was the safety of the american citizens. He\'s either going down or he\'ll just decide to stop and have the disgusting satisfaction of knowing he got away with murdering people for the rest of his worthless life. Or maybe he\'ll confess somewhere down the line like that bomber? Maybe he\'ll commit suicide and leave the note and evidence proving he did it?

And yeah, these people/person ARE terrorists. Just because someone doesn\'t wears a diper doesn\'t mean they\'re NOT a terrorist.
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Post by: Halberto on October 11, 2002, 08:55:59 PM: I\'ve seen Al Queda training videos of them getting out of vans, shooting manicans and baby carriages, and running back into them and speeding off. This really could be terrorists.
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Post by: videoholic on October 12, 2002, 04:57:20 AM: We should send this guy to Iraq.
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Post by: Living-In-Clip on October 12, 2002, 05:39:09 PM: Ya\' know, there has been serial killers before the WTC, right? Okay then, let\'s try not to jump the gun and it be a conspiracy and terrorist attack.

It could be a lone nut.
It could be a unabomber type, who has an agenda / statement.
It could be two nuts.
etc...
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Post by: Bozco on October 12, 2002, 07:14:34 PM: Thank you for adressing it since I was gone LIC.
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Post by: Coredweller on October 12, 2002, 07:28:39 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Ya\' know, there has been serial killers before the WTC, right? Okay then, let\'s try not to jump the gun and it be a conspiracy and terrorist attack.

It could be a lone nut.
It could be a unabomber type, who has an agenda / statement.
It could be two nuts.
etc...

It only takes two people to make a conspiracy. That\'s part of the definition of a conspiracy. It doesn\'t matter what agenda they are trying to support, they are still terrorists. The Unabomber was a terrorist. Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist. The 9/11 conspirators were terrorists. They are all terrorists, just different beliefs.

They only way it could not be the work of terrorist(s) is if it\'s a lone, disturbed serial killer. That\'s still possible, but not if there were two people in the van. Insane serial killers do not work together. Only terrorists do.
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Post by: Bozco on October 12, 2002, 07:30:08 PM: Someone likes to throw around the word terrorist a little to much.
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Post by: Coredweller on October 12, 2002, 07:46:16 PM: You seem to enjoy having the last word, even when it doesn\'t contribute anything to the discussion.
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Post by: Mr. Kennedy on October 12, 2002, 08:02:33 PM: The only two differences between the Sniper and the Unabomber is that the Unabomber was killing specific people(college proffessors), where as the Sniper has killed at random, no particular target. Also, the Unabomber was motivated against technology, this Sniper has no particular motive.

The only consistency this Sniper has is the fact that he\'s used the same rifle in all his killings.
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Post by: ben_high on October 12, 2002, 08:05:48 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Coredweller

They only way it could not be the work of terrorist(s) is if it\'s a lone, disturbed serial killer. That\'s still possible, but not if there were two people in the van. Insane serial killers do not work together. Only terrorists do.

Huh?Ever heard of Leonard Lake and Charles Ng,Leopold and loeb,Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono also known as The Hillside Stranglers,Ray and Faye Copeland,Gwendolyn Gail Graham and Catherine Wood.The Columbine killers,although they could be considered more like spree killers.There are even more examples although I can\'t remember them all right now.
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Post by: Living-In-Clip on October 12, 2002, 08:22:32 PM: There have been quite a few serial killers who do not work alone. What about Paul Bernado and his wife (whose name slips me)? Henry and Otis? Not to mention the one\'s listed by Ben (minus the Columbine killers, who are \'spree killers\', due to the fact the murders was commited all at once).

This whole terrorisim paranoia is amusing if anything. The very fact that one (or two) serial killers can get everyone up in a bunch and make them think it is an act of terrosim , all because of 9-11. It is almost like there has never been serial killers before or spree killers. I have to agree with Boz, the word terrosim or terrosist is thrown around so much now\'a\'days. The least little thing is automatically assumed to be a terrorist attack against us. I think we all need to get a grip on reality and the basic facts that people, that are not "terrorist" per say are also indeed f**ked in the head and get off on things like this. It\'s always been like that, yes , even before 9-11...

I honestly and strongly suggest all of you go read at
http://www.crimelibrary.com

There is plenty of stories, information and new\'s updates there. If you don\'t think two "insane serial killers" can "work together" than you should check out the serial killers section and read about all the serial killers who have had partners in crime.

And by the way, Billy, you\'re wrong. He does more than that as a routine. He also does his killings near local busy interstates, which provide an easy way to get into crowded traffic, slip off into an exit and a lot of other things. You are right about one thing, the Unabomber\'s bombs was meant for specfic people, this guy has seemily random victums - and they are all inpersonal, meaning none of these killings are out of the heat of anger , sexual desire or what not. He isn\'t killing in a personal manner (mulitation, stranglation, etc) and he is obviously not raping or attempting to rape his victums . Therefor, you can probably establish that his killings are more of a game, a cat and mouse game to have fun with the cops and he may have some hidden statement.

As for this whole tartot card. The police have suggested a couple times that it could of been pulled by a prankster and I personally believe it was. He would of had to get to close. Not to mention he has had no other forms of communcation (that we , the public know about). He seems to like to stay in the shadows and go by without being noticed. Communcating is doin\' the complete oppisote of that.
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Post by: ben_high on October 12, 2002, 08:27:19 PM: Wasn\'t the woman that killed with Paul Bernardo named Karla Homolka(sp.?).The one that was executed in Texas a few years ago.

Texas\' matto"Over a billion executed"
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Post by: Living-In-Clip on October 12, 2002, 08:31:16 PM: Paul and his wife was in Canada, so that couldn\'t of been her. Infact, she cut a deal and is up to be paroled in the near future, if I remember correctly. You did get her name right though.

(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.crimelibrary.com%2Fserials%2Fbernardo%2Fimages%2FPaul%26Karlapool.jpg&hash=dd4b2bb28c47ad0a325fdfca102bdff19c3fa6bc)
There is a picture of the two "love birds".

Here is a quote from an update on the case.

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Canadian law requires that when the Correctional Service of Canada feels a case requires detention beyond the two-thirds point, it be referred to the board at least six months before the statutory release date. The law also requires that the board review the case every year after the statutory release date until the expiry of her sentence, which is in July 2005.
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Post by: Jumpman on October 12, 2002, 08:52:54 PM: Quote
this Sniper has no particular motive.

Sure he does. We just don\'t know what it is yet. :(

The only possibilty where he doesn\'t have a motive is he would have to be mentally insane. I don\'t think that\'s the case with this guy. He seems to perfectly know what he\'s doing and has been doing a great job at it so far. Something/someone had to occur to lead to this.

I personally think he\'s an attention addict who has always been one and has never received enough attention to satisfy him.

BTW, great post LIC.
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Post by: Bozco on October 12, 2002, 08:56:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Coredweller
You seem to enjoy having the last word, even when it doesn\'t contribute anything to the discussion.

Ok, think what you want. But the fact that everyone is a terrorist now doesn\'t make to much sense. And by the true definition of a terrorist he could be called one even if he is acting alone. But that doesn\'t mean we should call him so.
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Post by: GmanJoe on October 12, 2002, 08:57:10 PM: Ironic thing about this is, the sniper could stop and there would still be not enough evidence to catch him. And to add morbidity to all this, the more lives he takes, the closer we are to catching him.l :(
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Post by: Living-In-Clip on October 12, 2002, 09:33:51 PM: The chances of him stopping are almost none though. The general set pattern is after they get a taste for playing \'God\', than it is hard to go back. It is giving a lot of control up and a lot of attenion. The only way he will stop is if he dies / gets sick / arrested for another crime and serves time in jail and isn\'t able .

The odd thing is, most serial killers towards the end of their spree - when they are "wanting to stop" start to go on the spree, like he is. The constant killing in such a short period of time. Doin\' this they get sloppy. Him, on the other hand, he is doin\' them fast as he can and it seems as though he is only honing his skill more and more.

The only downfall to his plan I can see, is the fact he is getting braver. His last victum was near a police officer. That is bravery and showing off - something that may eventually cost him.
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Post by: ben_high on October 12, 2002, 10:15:09 PM: Now I remember which woman you are talking about LIC,they even kiled her little sister.And the prosecuters cut a deal with her for immunity before they even relised how much involvment she had,now she\'s gonna get off with a slap on the wrist.

Anyhoo,I really think this guy\'s gonna get cought soon.Unfortunantly it probably will be just after another shooting.
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Post by: Rishi on October 12, 2002, 11:04:37 PM: It might bea woman.
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Post by: Bozco on October 12, 2002, 11:05:42 PM: Everybody realizes that but its more common place to say he or that guy when describing a person.
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Post by: Samwise on October 13, 2002, 12:31:30 AM: I think most of you missed the point when Coredweller said he would/could be a terrorist. Some people think terrorist = Arab who runs around with an AK-47. And that\'s because of 9/11. Coredweller was just pointing out that people of all ages and cultures is by definition a terrorist, if certain criteria are met. It was that way before 9/11 too.
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Post by: Mr. Kennedy on October 13, 2002, 05:05:49 AM: I think this guy\'s pleasure is the fact the he\'s been getting away with it.
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Post by: Bozco on October 13, 2002, 09:48:16 AM: Well if you want to go by the exact definition of a terrorist he is one already. All it takes is one person causing intimidation.
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Post by: Samwise on October 13, 2002, 11:52:28 AM: ter·ror·ist Pronunciation Key (trr-st)
n.
One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.

ter·ror·ism Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm)
n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Gotta love dictionary.com :)
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Post by: Bozco on October 13, 2002, 12:03:07 PM: Yep, thats where I looked it up at. I use it all the time.
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Post by: Living-In-Clip on October 13, 2002, 12:12:50 PM: Which means, until we know that he has a political agenda, we cannot call it terrorism, due to the fact we are not sure he is trying to intimidate a goverment. What we can call him is..*gasp* a ....SERIAL KILLER? ...

Yeah...

P.S ..It\'s in my humble opinion that he is watching CNN\'S coverage of his crimes, looking at guns & ammo magazines and masturbating right about now.
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Post by: Bozco on October 13, 2002, 12:16:26 PM: LIC its intimidation of governments or societies.
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Post by: Samwise on October 13, 2002, 12:23:39 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Bozco
LIC its intimidation of governments or societies.
Yup, what Boz said. :D

And it\'s not like being a serial killer rules out being a terrorist and vice versa. :)

Anyway, I don\'t care what we call him. He\'s still sick.
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Post by: ben_high on October 13, 2002, 12:27:37 PM: That would make every serial killer a terrorist because they all intimidate society.
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Post by: Bozco on October 13, 2002, 12:29:07 PM: Yep, thats why it\'s so stupid.

How we have been taught and what the true meaning is are two different things.
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Post by: Kurt Angle on October 13, 2002, 12:59:14 PM: Has the white van been caught yet from the photofit pictures?
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Post by: Bozco on October 14, 2002, 05:25:36 PM: Check out this news video regarding the sniper incidents. Watch for a while and you\'ll see why I posted it.

News Video (http://www.msnbc.com/m/mw/mw.asp?t=V&id=tdy_bloom_sniper_021010&sk=&pl=seeking_a_killer_&name=&opt=0&cp1=1)
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Post by: GmanJoe on October 14, 2002, 07:40:13 PM: Another has been killed. A woman leaving a Home Depot. For our non-US residents, Home Depot is a large warehouse that sell parts and supplies for home repair, gardening and masonry. This just happened an hour or so ago.
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Post by: Jumpman on October 14, 2002, 07:55:07 PM: Damn...this guy is pratically unstoppable...He\'s making a total mockery of the police. I wonder how long this will last for until the police get lucky somehow. A week? Two? Three?

Still a tradgedy nonetheless.
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Post by: Bozco on October 14, 2002, 08:05:45 PM: Damn, will it ever end?
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Post by: SwifDi on October 14, 2002, 08:29:33 PM: Now a woman. This is obviously just a random selection. My friend lives in that town and he said the paranoia is through the roof. Its the same place I stayed at over the summer. They alreayd cancelled a football game and other outdoor events.
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Post by: theomen on October 14, 2002, 08:48:09 PM: I say grab yourself a gat, and start hunting!

On a serious note, damn I wish I was on this case, what a challenge! Also a hell of a way to make a name for yourself.
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Post by: SER on October 14, 2002, 10:23:00 PM: Quote
The woman was shot in the head as she and her husband loaded packages into their car\'s trunk, said Ellen Qualls, a spokeswoman for Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner. Someone fired the fatal shot from a van, she said.

Creepy. This guy is a psycho.
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Post by: Jumpman on October 14, 2002, 10:35:55 PM: Quote
Someone fired the fatal shot from a van, she said.

Hhhhmmm....sounds like a two man job. A shooter and a driver...
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Post by: Rishi on October 15, 2002, 01:17:30 AM: Don\'t forget they need someone to look for a good parking spot :D
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Post by: Kurt Angle on October 15, 2002, 01:22:14 AM: This guy/guys should fry for this.
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Post by: SER on October 15, 2002, 01:52:43 AM: Well, if it was parked, he could have done it himself.. That shouldn\'t be too hard, shoot then climb into the driver\'s seat and drive away..
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Post by: kopking on October 15, 2002, 10:43:07 AM: saw it on the news, apperently he got out of the car to take a shot... doesnt sound right, a sniper wouldnt do that...... thats to stupid, he wont get caught like that
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Post by: GmanJoe on October 15, 2002, 11:05:01 AM: I think the "witness" was seeing things.
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Post by: Halberto on October 16, 2002, 06:25:28 PM: The media sometimes doesn\'t know when to quit. Do they even care that more people might die if they keep releasing info on this?
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Post by: videoholic on October 17, 2002, 04:20:08 AM: I\'ve seen a lot of talk lately that this might be numerous people with numerous vans that are similar making it freaking confusing.

I\'m begining to believe more and more that this may be an act of terrorism.

They could be using the DC area as a test market and could spread throughout the country. Shit, look how well it\'s worked. They have crippled the economy there. People don\'t go out to eat. They try to do virtually nothing outside any more. It\'s a very scary thing.

If this is an act of terrorism they could easily spread and who knows, they may use our attack on Iraq as a trigger point.

Ouch.

God I hope everything I just wrote is total hub-bub, but it just seems like if it was the same guy with the same van that they would have a real description by now.
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Post by: Ace on October 17, 2002, 04:33:34 AM: I\'ve been feeling the same way. I hope it\'s just a nut job. Weird when a serial killer is a comforting thought compared to what the alternative might be.

Ace
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Post by: Toxical on October 17, 2002, 07:11:31 AM: thank god i live in Canada, land of free medi-care, and other comunist ideas. :D We don\'t get gun happy hicks shooting up the joint here.
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Post by: Ace on October 17, 2002, 07:45:14 AM: But we have satellite TV.
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Post by: Jar O Pickles on October 17, 2002, 07:51:35 AM: and indoor plumbing
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Post by: Coredweller on October 17, 2002, 08:41:46 AM: It\'s been a while since I posted in this thread, so I just wanted to say that I yield to the expertise of the serial killer experts here. It seems that some serials killers have worked in teams before, so there\'s a chance that might be the case here. I still think those cases are rare, so the odds are against it.

If this is a situation where a guy thinks Satan is talking to him through his parakeet telling him he can be God if he commits 666 murders with a sniper rifle, then I would say it\'s unlikely someone else would share his "vision" and assist him with it. :p However, it could be two hicks who hate the "gummint" and get off on making them bastards pay for taking Aunt Jinny\'s farm.

I would put my money on terrorists. In fact, I\'m willing to bet that this turns out to be some person or persons who are in some way "sympathetic" with the cause of Islam and Arabs in the world today. As frightening as that may be for some of you, it just makes a little more sense to me. I\'m not hoping for it, it just seems more logical.

BTW, I\'m going to Washington tomorrow, so if I run into this SOB, I\'ll kick his ass for everyone. :D
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Post by: videoholic on October 17, 2002, 10:56:55 AM: It is making more and more sense as the days go bye. I really think the Gov\'t is shitting in their pants right now.
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Post by: kopking on October 17, 2002, 11:27:07 AM: i thought the other day that it might be a group...

maybe america should tighten up on your gun laws.... i dont wanna here about freedom to own guns etc, i mean how many here would like to see much tighter gun laws in usa??? i mean out of the usa members
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Post by: videoholic on October 17, 2002, 11:31:35 AM: Has nothing to do with gun laws. There are so many freaking guns in the world that illegal trade would just increase and people who want to kill people would still easily be able to get one.
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Post by: kopking on October 17, 2002, 11:36:42 AM: yeah but if you start to get rid of all the guns....... u know then make it harder to get them..... i mean the only peep who would be able to get them is terriosts....i mean not normall peep,
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Post by: Coredweller on October 17, 2002, 11:37:58 AM: I\'m all for stricter gun control. Gun nuts want to enable EVERYBODY to be armed, as a method of reducing crime. Of course most gun murders are committed against family members and friends, so it\'s hard to see how this is going to help reduce the murder rate.

Everyone should see Michael Moore\'s new film Bowling for Columbine when it comes to your city. It\'s a real eyeopener on the issue of gun violence in the US. The point he makes is that it\'s not JUST the proliferation of firearms in the US that produces so many gun-related homocides here. Canada also has lots of firearms, but they only have a miniscule number of gun deaths.

It\'s something about our media, meaning the news media, and how they statistically exaggerate the number of violent crimes occuring in the real world by highlighting every one to the exclusion of all else. Stats show that while gun violence has been decreasing, the number of stories about gun violence on television news has increased dramatically. Shows like "Cops" inadvertantly villify minorities, and contribute to white america\'s fear of african americans and other minorities.

I\'m just repeating his points from the movie. You should really see it and think about it. The movie gives a lot of food for thought.
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Post by: luckee on October 17, 2002, 11:44:11 AM: Quote
Originally posted by kopking
yeah but if you start to get rid of all the guns....... u know then make it harder to get them..... i mean the only peep who would be able to get them is terriosts....i mean not normall peep,

Not really..more than %85 of guns used in crimes are illegal anyway. Laws like that only prevent good law abiding citizens from buying. CRiminals will still be able to get one from behind larrys liquors.
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Post by: kopking on October 17, 2002, 11:57:33 AM: u know what i mean though , i mean lots of peep own guns in usa, in there own home for protection or whatever.. and this guy may be just a "normal american" i mean not a terrosist..... so what to say he hasnt bought a high powered rifle over the counter, maybe had it for years.... seperately bought a telescopic lense..... u know what i mean
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Post by: Coredweller on October 17, 2002, 12:00:27 PM: Quote
Originally posted by luckee

Not really..more than %85 of guns used in crimes are illegal anyway. Laws like that only prevent good law abiding citizens from buying. CRiminals will still be able to get one from behind larrys liquors.
I disagree with that. Better gun laws would impose increased restriction not only on the buyer of a weapon, but also on firearm importation and manufacture. That would reduce the total volume of guns in the US market, both legal and illegal. With greater restrictions, the market shrinks, fewer guns are sold legally, therefore fewer are available to be stolen, therefore fewer are available to be resold behind larry\'s liquors. It doesn\'t happen overnight, but it will definitely happen with tigher gun control laws.
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Post by: luckee on October 17, 2002, 12:02:24 PM: Like illegal drugs from mexico,central and south america right?

As for topic..somewhat anyway..

sorry couldnt resist
http://reverendsunshine.com/decoy2.htm
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Post by: kopking on October 17, 2002, 12:08:05 PM: rofl at that link... where did you find that??? man that is funny
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Post by: Coredweller on October 17, 2002, 12:11:19 PM: It doesn\'t take anything more than 4000 year old technology to manufacture marajuana or cocaine. All you need is a field, manual labor, and a political environment where you won\'t have any threats from the Federales.

Manufacturing firearms however requires at least 19th century metalworking and fabricating technology, and access to raw materials that are only available in areas of human population. Also, such an enterprise is not nearly as profitable as the drug trade. I don\'t think we would encounter such a huge problem with smuggled firearms in the event of tighter gun control laws.
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Post by: luckee on October 17, 2002, 12:21:48 PM: Good point, but where does gun restriction stop? Only for law enforcment and military? In no time flat, corrupt soldiers,cops, and governments will be flooding the market with more illegal weapons. Besides, we lose more and more freedoms everyday, with rights violations popular as well. Im not comfortable with yet another.

How many crooks would commit a crime agaisnt a person directly if they knew damn near everyone could be armed?

As far a gun violence in the home amongst kids. Sounds like irresponsible parents, not gun laws.
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Post by: Living-In-Clip on October 18, 2002, 02:02:56 AM: Gun laws are moronic. If someone wants to commit a crime against someone else, they\'ll do it. Without or without a gun. My god people, do you think there was no crime in earlier days, before guns was invented?
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Post by: Starr on October 18, 2002, 02:11:13 AM: Didn\'t they find out that the lady that said the sniper was in a white van wasn\'t tellin the truth?...
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Post by: luckee on October 18, 2002, 03:12:47 AM: yup..that person lied. Liek I said in another forum, this person will not stop untill they want to. It is next to impossible to catch them.

The sad part is..this will undoubtedly spawn copycat killers at some point.
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Post by: videoholic on October 18, 2002, 03:42:11 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Coredweller

It\'s something about our media, meaning the news media, and how they statistically exaggerate the number of violent crimes occuring in the real world by highlighting every one to the exclusion of all else. Stats show that while gun violence has been decreasing, the number of stories about gun violence on television news has increased dramatically. Shows like "Cops" inadvertantly villify minorities, and contribute to white america\'s fear of african americans and other minorities.

I have said this on several occasions. In the media you always exploit the worst of the worst. Any time hurricanes brush by Tampa we always knew exactly where to go to show good flooding video. Tampa wasn\'t flooded or anything. Like a couple blocks were flooded, but we knew where to go. Hell the people who lived in those houses new it was going to flood. IT was no secret, but it enabled us to get good video.

America is no worse today than it was 100\'s of years ago. It\'s just that there are 100\'s of news organizations fighting to push there news to the top.
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Post by: Coredweller on October 18, 2002, 08:25:18 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Gun laws are moronic. If someone wants to commit a crime against someone else, they\'ll do it. Without or without a gun. My god people, do you think there was no crime in earlier days, before guns was invented?
But the crime is less likely to be fatal for the victim when the perpetrator is using a knife instead of a gun.
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Post by: GmanJoe on October 18, 2002, 08:28:11 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Coredweller
But the crime is less likely to be fatal for the victim when the perpetrator is using a knife instead of a gun.

His point is, anywhere in the world....if a criminal wants a gun, he\'ll get it. The laws keep honest law abiding people...honest. Whereas the criminals.....well.....
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Post by: Coredweller on October 18, 2002, 09:39:47 AM: Quote
Originally posted by GmanJoe

His point is, anywhere in the world....if a criminal wants a gun, he\'ll get it. The laws keep honest law abiding people...honest. Whereas the criminals.....well.....
People state this argument often, but it doesn\'t make sense for several reasons. A large percentage of the gun homicides in the US are committed against a family member, spouse, friend or acquaitance. These are committed by people who are often using a legally acquired firearm, and possibly are not even "criminals" per se. Better gun laws would have an immediate impact to reduce those homocides.

Also, I don\'t think it\'s fair to say that improved gun laws to limit the manufacture, importation, and distribution of guns in the US would have no effect on illegaly acquired firearms. As I mentioned in a previous post, these laws would reduce the total market for guns in the US, and thus the total number of guns in circulation. (both legal and illegal)
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Post by: GmanJoe on October 18, 2002, 09:47:43 AM: Well....one thing for sure....any country that tries to invade the US will be slaughtered, if not by the military....the civilian population. :)
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Post by: Samwise on October 18, 2002, 11:04:23 AM: *wonders who would invade the US*

BLAME CANADA, BLAME CANADA!
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Post by: luckee on October 18, 2002, 01:58:16 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Coredweller
People state this argument often, but it doesn\'t make sense for several reasons. A large percentage of the gun homicides in the US are committed against a family member, spouse, friend or acquaitance. These are committed by people who are often using a legally acquired firearm, and possibly are not even "criminals" per se. Better gun laws would have an immediate impact to reduce those homocides.

In those cases, it is almost always a crime of passion or emotion and not a robbery,rape, or other typical crime the average "criminal" commits. Not having a gun or not having easy access to one wont stop that from happening. If that is the case, we may as well get rid of knives,axes,ballpeen hammers, axes..hell, just cut off everyones hands :)
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Post by: Coredweller on October 18, 2002, 04:02:18 PM: Quote
Originally posted by luckee
In those cases, it is almost always a crime of passion or emotion and not a robbery,rape, or other typical crime the average "criminal" commits. Not having a gun or not having easy access to one wont stop that from happening. If that is the case, we may as well get rid of knives,axes,ballpeen hammers, axes..hell, just cut off everyones hands :)
Knives, axes, and ballpeen hammers serve another legitimate purpose. The only purpose of a handgun is to kill people. Is it not clear that killing a person with a gun is much easier than killing a person with a hammer or a knife? You can stand further away, you don\'t have to be concerned about the person fighting back, and a small person can effective kill a larger person without having to worry about overpowering them.

Not everyone who kills a family member with a gun does so based on an instantaneous decision. That\'s why we have a waiting period for handguns. A friend of mine had a sister who was murdered by her husband. The guy went to Wal-Mart and bought a hunting rifle (for which there is no waiting period), went home, waited for his wife to return home, and then shot her many times. If a handgun is already in the house, then it\'s that much easier. Lets not forget the accidental deaths that occur when guns are around as well.
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Post by: luckee on October 18, 2002, 04:53:43 PM: People do not typically murder their families or loved ones just to murder them like a "usual" killer does. Its usually a crime of passion or emotion for which they will still commit if a gun is not around. Of course guns make it easier, but for anyone that is intrested in killing, that wont stop them. This sniper character in the news now may not have been been doing this, but I bet the guy that you stated killed his wife would have still done so without a gun.

As far as accidents around the home with guns. With kids, it is usually poor parentiing. Almost all of my familiy members had guns in the house including my old man. At 12 he took me hunting. He taught me how to properly shot and most importantly respect a firearm. As many times as I had friends over, I never once pulled his guns out to show off as many of the kids do right b4 one of them ends up dead.

Now on to the parents that dont want to teach their kids about weapons in the house. Plain and simple, poor parenting. If they do not want their kids to learn abut them, they need to have said weapons locked up at ALL times.

As always, guns dont kill ppl, stupid and uneducated muthaluvas with guns kill people.(accidently anyway)
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Post by: GmanJoe on October 19, 2002, 06:45:41 PM: Well, there may be another sniper victim in Ashland, Va. 90 miles south of DC. No one\'s saying it\'s the Sniper.....but the M.O. seems to fit : random victim, shot from a distance, near the Interstate 95.
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Post by: Kurt Angle on October 20, 2002, 02:39:00 AM: Looks like another victim yes, we will find out soon enough. This latest vicitm has also survived the shooting.
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Post by: Azeroth on October 20, 2002, 11:39:45 AM: They say someone\'s been shot in Virginia they aint sure if it\'s the sniper, but the victim was shot once, it would explain the few quiet days.
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Post by: luckee on October 20, 2002, 01:32:03 PM: I actually surprised, up untill now, the only constant, other than the shootings themselves, has been the sniper taking the weekends off.
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Post by: Majin Prince on October 20, 2002, 05:09:12 PM: This is starting to worry me now...:eek: The latest shooting is like 2 hours away from me in Virginia Beach. well he\'s been moving south ever since so he\'s probably gonna come near my area soon.:(

maybe its just me, but doesnt it seem ridiculous that he hasnt been caught yet? It feels like the police should try to have extra security around the DC and Virginia area and more Highway patrol over such areas. In my opinion an effective plan is to eliminate his escape routes or have more security around to potentially see the sniper or his vehicle so they can chase him. But who knows...i just hope they catch him soon.
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Post by: luckee on October 20, 2002, 06:29:19 PM: I dont know how you can think like that. It is near impossible to catch this guy unless he wants to be caught. He could give up now and no one would ever know who he was. UNless thousands and I mean thousand of security,police, and tropps are moved into the areas, it will be that much harder to catch this person.
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Post by: Zolar on October 20, 2002, 06:30:55 PM: No, sometimes the Police are just stumped. Look at The Green River Killer for example. 47+ Prostitutes murdered in the 80\'s, and no killer was brought to justice. The same with The Zodiac Killer. When you kill complete strangers, you have a good chance of getting away with it than if you kill someone you know like your ex girlfriend, wife, or someone else you know.
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Post by: luckee on October 20, 2002, 06:33:03 PM: Plus its not like this guy is targetting ppl at malls..or gas stations or any select group of victims. It all seems to be totally random.
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Post by: SwifDi on October 20, 2002, 07:00:25 PM: Eventually he\'ll shoot people through their windows as they browse forums on the internet.

NO ONE IS SAFE.
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Post by: Samwise on October 21, 2002, 04:41:57 AM: I hope he\'ll get caught eventually, but it\'s actually quite scary... that you could just shoot some complete stranger in a random city at a random time, and the odds of you getting caught would be very slim... with a bit of planning anyway. :eek:
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Post by: Jumpman on October 21, 2002, 06:47:34 AM: BREAKING NEWS!

Turn to CNN, they might of caught the sniper!
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Post by: on October 21, 2002, 07:00:09 AM: They\'ve got someone, but they had a press release just an hour or so again saying that they were preparing a response to the "message". I suspect they don\'t have him. Hope I\'m wrong, though.
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Post by: kopking on October 21, 2002, 08:29:43 AM: really???? just got back from work, how long ago was this.. hope they got him, have to go watch tv soon
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Post by: Kurt Angle on October 21, 2002, 12:29:10 PM: Lets hope this new development puts an end to this now.
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Post by: SER on October 21, 2002, 03:45:08 PM: Quote
The announcement came hours after Virginia authorities took two men into custody after surrounding a white van near a Richmond gas station. However, sources said the two men weren\'t involved in the attacks and would be deported to Latin America for immigration violations.

Nope, it\'s not him.. Apparently, the real sniper just gave them a phone call.
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Post by: Azeroth on October 21, 2002, 05:34:19 PM: The dudes were from Guatemala and Mexico, they were released.
But the police say they are in contact with some dude that has been dealing with the sniper.
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Post by: ben_high on October 21, 2002, 08:06:09 PM: Do you think the sniper called them from that phone and left before the cops got there,and these dudes get picked up by mistake?

Now the police are on the T.V. again"ummm sorry we missed you,do you think you could call us back."
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Post by: SwifDi on October 21, 2002, 08:47:51 PM: The police are basically saying, "Sniper dude, just drop us a line cuz\' we have no ****ing clue who or where you are. So cut us some slack dawg."
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Post by: Kurt Angle on October 22, 2002, 06:47:34 AM: That sure made the cops look like suckers.
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Post by: luckee on October 22, 2002, 08:12:47 AM: Now a bus driver has been shot and killed today back in Silverton,MD at about 6am today, about a mile from the original shooting.

Makes that 12 shot and I think 9 dead
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Post by: kopking on October 22, 2002, 08:54:08 AM: just heard it on the radio, there not 100% sure if its the sniper, but looks it cos of one shot..... so was he actually driving when shot??? didnt hear much on the news.....
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Post by: luckee on October 22, 2002, 09:15:25 AM: Looks like he was getting back on the bus b/c he was shot on the top step.
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Post by: mjps21983 on October 22, 2002, 12:22:11 PM: They\'re about to release either paper or exactly what he said on the news here soon.
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Post by: Majin Prince on October 22, 2002, 01:20:35 PM: This is getting even crazier b/c now he killed someone back in Maryland when he was in Virginia like a day ago...so now he has two states in fear b/c of this.

But IMO, one thing that people can possibly do to try and avoid the sniper is to stay away from major interstates and/or wooded areas that he can possibly hide in. just a thought...
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Post by: dajo on October 22, 2002, 01:24:44 PM: He said "YOUR CHILDREN ARE NOT SAFE ANY TIME ANY WHERE"

They just released this at the press confrence a few minutes ago. This guys a sicko.
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Post by: Halberto on October 22, 2002, 05:27:27 PM: Imagine if you had to live in that area. Heres an idea I had, have a helicopter around in the air with thermal cameras so when they hear about someone being shot they can look for someone in the woods. But the chances of them finding him that quickly after the shot are slim.
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Post by: GmanJoe on October 22, 2002, 06:38:12 PM: He\'ll be caught soon. I\'m hopefull. It\'ll be anti-climactic. He\'ll be caught in some sad way.....like pulled over for a broken light or something. Sorta like the Son of Sam.

I got $10 that Chief of Police Moose will be played by Denzel Washington.
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Post by: Toxical on October 22, 2002, 09:03:33 PM: Quote
Originally posted by GmanJoe
He\'ll be caught soon. I\'m hopefull. It\'ll be anti-climactic. He\'ll be caught in some sad way.....like pulled over for a broken light or something. Sorta like the Son of Sam.

I got $10 that Chief of Police Moose will be played by Denzel Washington.

Denzel as the Moose? damn that is not likely, more like Samuel L.Jackson. :laughing:
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Post by: kopking on October 23, 2002, 11:15:39 AM: didnt he talk on the pnone or something toi the cops.. and wants like $10 million dollars or someshit??? i think i heard it this morning in the work van, but i could of dreamt it
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Post by: fastson on October 23, 2002, 12:38:20 PM: Quote
Originally posted by ViVi
Imagine if you had to live in that area. Heres an idea I had, have a helicopter around in the air with thermal cameras so when they hear about someone being shot they can look for someone in the woods. But the chances of them finding him that quickly after the shot are slim.

I heard something about the helicopters using some special camera that could detect gunfire..

Not sure if I understood that correct though.
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Post by: Kurt Angle on October 23, 2002, 01:43:31 PM: The helicopter would have to be in the right place at the right time for that to work. Very slim chance as they don\'t know where he will strike next.
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Post by: dajo on October 24, 2002, 04:36:27 AM: He may never strike again. They may have caught him this morning.

YAY!
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Post by: Living-In-Clip on October 24, 2002, 05:21:26 AM: A suspect has been arrested.

URL.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/24/sniper.shootings/index.html
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Post by: GmanJoe on October 24, 2002, 05:56:11 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
A suspect has been arrested.

URL.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10/24/sniper.shootings/index.html

I hope that\'s the guy. Unfortunately, there was a message the police was asked by the sniper to say :

"You have caught the sniper, like a goose in a noose."

That\'s referring to a story about a hare that bragged he could catch a goose with a noose. When the hare caught a goose, it flew, dragging the hare up to a high tree stump. Up there, the hare was left stranded.
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Post by: videoholic on October 24, 2002, 06:02:40 AM: Yeah, but I don\'t think he really thought he was going to be cought. I think he was just trying to say that he was one step ahead of them.

Want to know the ironic thing about all of this. The cops have been so hush hush and they have kept so much info back because they didn\'t want it out to the public. The cops didn\'t release the names, vehicle, tag until after it was leaked out and eventually after multiple confirmations the new organizations ran with it. That is how they cought the guy. Someone saw the car that never would have been known if it weren\'t for the media giving it out. hmmmmm......
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Post by: dajo on October 24, 2002, 06:25:15 AM: Nah Chief Moose held a press conference at Midnight lastnight. It put an APB out for both John Mohaamad, and his stepson. And the car they were driving in.

They have also been looking for this guy since Sunday.
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Post by: videoholic on October 24, 2002, 06:30:56 AM: His press conference came quite a bit after the media already put the word out.
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Post by: Living-In-Clip on October 24, 2002, 06:54:32 AM: The media is a dangerous tool. A lot of time it seems as though we make these killers celerberties and give them special name (see: Newsweek\'s cover where they had a Tarot card and even dubbed him the "Tarot Sniper" or some non-sense) . At the same time, when things like this are leaked and people are hanging onto every word the media is saying, we have a certain awareness rose and it helps the community to a degree.

While I often preach about how things aren\'t as bad as they seem, it\'s just the media making it seem ten times worse with their constant coverage and so called analysts and professionals. Infact, the media can serve a decent purpose sometimes and for the common folk, it\'s the only tool for us to get that awareness and know what to look for, because the police are very selective (rightfully so) on what they tell us.
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Post by: videoholic on October 24, 2002, 07:19:48 AM: It\'s a double edged sword my friend. Over use of "Breaking News" naming the dude "Tarot Sniper" all that kind of crap is simply a factor of so many freaking news agencies trying to fight for your eyeballs.

As much as I dislike Fox. As much as I hate Shepard Smith and Bill O
\'Reilly. They kicked everyone\'s ass last night. I flipped through all of them and they were way ahead of everyone, which is cool cause their main assignment desk guy for national is a good buddy of mine.

I usually watch MSNBC because they seem to not be so "edgy". Last night though Fox was kicking everyone\'s butts though.
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Post by: Jar O Pickles on October 24, 2002, 07:40:33 AM: wow they caught them i didnt think "god" would look like a 40 year old black dude and i thought "god" would have a better car than a 90 caprice i see more as a black mercedes type of guy oh well
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Post by: GigaShadow on October 24, 2002, 08:05:15 AM: Heh... that is funny Jar... Seriously I hope this is the guy.
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Post by: luckee on October 24, 2002, 08:26:08 AM: Apparently there was a weapon in the chevy capable of firing a .223 round that has been found in the bodies of the victims.
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Post by: Kurt Angle on October 24, 2002, 09:39:52 AM: Lets hope it is them, judging by the press conference the cops are pretty confident they have the right people.
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Post by: kopking on October 24, 2002, 10:14:59 AM: didnt they get caught asleep in the van or something?? i hope they have caught them, i dont know if it was here or to a mate, but i said i thought it might be more than one person....

didnt it say it isnt the same rifle though???
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Post by: Halberto on October 24, 2002, 06:53:09 PM: I heard his step son was his assistant. Not a real way to bond with your son.
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Post by: luckee on October 24, 2002, 07:21:44 PM: I was really surprised to see the offenders were black. Black ppl arent typically the ones involved in this type of thing. I was really expecting some hillbilly lookin dude with a thick beard, black T, and camo pants.
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Post by: GmanJoe on October 24, 2002, 08:27:26 PM: Well, this isn\'t quite serial killing. Serial killers have a certain "relationship" with their victims. Also, their victims have things in similar to other victims. These two, were more like on a killing spree. The first day they killed 2 and the second day they killed 4 more, I think. After that, it was one victim at a time once the cops and the residence were on a look out for suspicious people and anything that sounded remotely close to a shot.
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Post by: luckee on October 24, 2002, 08:47:45 PM: NOt always do serial killers have relationships. More often than not yea, but not everytime. I wouldnt really call it a spree since spree\'s are usually at once and end up in them dieing in a shoot out or killing themselves :)
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Post by: CHIZZY on October 24, 2002, 09:05:32 PM: Quote
Originally posted by luckee
I was really surprised to see the offenders were black. Black ppl arent typically the ones involved in this type of thing. I was really expecting some hillbilly lookin dude with a thick beard, black T, and camo pants.

how about militant muslims?
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Post by: luckee on October 24, 2002, 09:34:20 PM: Find an example :)
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Post by: Living-In-Clip on October 24, 2002, 09:44:06 PM: For the record, he doesn\'t really fit into the serial killer profile either due to the fact there was no "calming period" that is standard with serial killers and his demand of money, which is usually bank robbers or kidnappers.

It really is a quite unusual case and I\'m glad it didn\'t end in a shoot-out. Now, maybe we can find out why this happened, how it happened and when this madness truly started.
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Post by: THX on October 24, 2002, 10:04:02 PM: Just some news from around here, people are generally much more outgoing and there\'s a noticeable difference of traffic on the streets. I have to admit I was looking over my shoulder when I was pumping gas and my lil sis was nervously sinking down in her seat one time. It was very aggrivating to feel unsafe in your own neighborhood.

While everyone is glad the focker is locked up we are still mad at how this guy could take out 10 people over a period of 3 weeks. I watched a news show from Japan where they wondered how the area close to the White House could be so dangerous.
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Post by: kopking on October 25, 2002, 12:45:57 AM: so this is defentely the guys then??? cos on the news they wasnt completely sure...sorry im from europe, so while you all be ( in america) hearing about it al day, it happend in the afternoon here, and im at work now so its like 9 hours since i went to bed... so ive missed a lot
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Post by: Kurt Angle on October 25, 2002, 04:09:21 AM: Yep, cops say the gun found matches the murder weapon.
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Post by: kopking on October 25, 2002, 04:11:14 AM: was it the one in the car??? cos i thought though it shot the same bullets, it wasnt the same gun??!!!
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Post by: THX on October 25, 2002, 08:06:27 AM: It is the same gun, ballsitics tests proved that showing that each bullet recovered from a body left the barrel of that particular gun. It will be a happy Halloween after all! :)
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Post by: kopking on October 27, 2002, 03:35:28 AM: saw a pic of the car, and how he would lie across the back seat, and had like a seceret hole thing, so he was half lying in the boot, and shot out of the boot......... also i heard they have arrested a third man, or looking for one....

also the 17 year old almost escaped in the fbi interview room, they left him in the room on his own, he jumped on the desk, and punched the ceiling tiles, and was gonna escape through the air ducts, but they caught him