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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: Jerchel on October 12, 2002, 07:23:38 AM
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It is a very hard ? to think about. I don\'t think it is yet. Nintendo 64 had too many games that were just must have. PS2 does have the most good games of any system ever though that is very true. I think by the time it is over with it should have had the most great games of any system ever.
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No. And it\'s not hard.
What was your first console?
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Nes. It had a lot of great games too.
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Dreamcast...it\'s going to take alot to dethrone the DC as my favorite console ever.
As for this generation...it\'s a toss up on potential.
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DC had too many arcade type games though. So a lot of them were not that great. Shenmue and stuff was just pure awesome though.
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I don\'t think I\'d say it\'s my favorite ever, but I am enjoying it very much. I probably owned more games for the NES and Genesis than any other consoles since then, but I\'ve had plenty of fun with all of them.
:alien:
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I wish I still had my sega.
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I think it might be NES, SNES, and Genesis. Those console have so many awesome 2-d games. Mario 3, Mario World, Sonic the Hedgehog, Castlevania, Wanderer From Ys III etc. My 2nd favorite must be PSX because of FF VII. Heck I am still playing some of those 2-d games on SNES but unfortunately my Sega Genesis broke down, I can\'t play Sonic anymore.
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I don\'t have too many consoles (NES, PSX, Genesis and PS2) and my favorite has to be PS2. I like the games for it and is fun to play.
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The original NES, Sega Genesis...those were my favorite. Many many food times on those consoles. And I remember the gold cartridge Zelga game for NES...that was awesome.
It think the PS2 is one of my favorites, because it\'s the one that I got the most excited about when it was first coming out. Lots of great games and I can\'t wait for more. Dreamcast made too many grinding noises for my liking...
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The ps2 is my best console because I haven\'t owned any other.
I loved my Amiga though back in the good old days, it was THE machine to have 10 years ago.
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I loved my Atari, there was a flying game I was addicted to, can\'t remember it\'s name, you flew upwards, and you had to go over purple bits to pick up petrol and planes and choopers would fly from side to side.
GC is probally my fav at the mo although PS2 is better, once the games come out for GC I\'ll start using it again. PC gaming is where I\'m at right now.
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PSX. Simply coz back then, I had more time for it. When I had the NES, I was too busy being a teenager. :p My parents were in another country while they gave me a car, a house, a maid and money for my 11th and 12th grade. :D
Needless to say, my grades plummeted. Abuse of freedom? Hells yea! :)
I know you would have!
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I like it just as I liked my older systems.When I buy the next generation console I ll be able to judge better which is my fav as memories of the past of all the systems I owned since my Atari to PS2.
I loved my Atari, there was a flying game I was addicted to, can\'t remember it\'s name, you flew upwards, and you had to go over purple bits to pick up petrol and planes and choopers would fly from side to side.
Oh my...you have reminded me of one of my greatest gaming moments...snif sniff..
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I gotta say my SNES and Genesis combo I had in the 16-bit generation is hard to beat. I had so many good times with those systems back then.
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It\'s really tough to pick a fav. It\'s almost like picking a favorite parent/brother/child you just cant pick one!
DC, Ps2, PSX, GBA, N64, Neo Geo, T16, Genesis, Snes
I love \'em all!
Astro :)
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Although the PC is my favored gaming platform as consoles go nothing has owned my like my PS2. Before that it was the ill fated Saturn which is still the console I have loved the most(I was a big time Saturn fanboy).
I wanted the PS2 from the moment I heard about it problably because of my hate for the PSX and Sony and the fact they claimed it was going to be better than the PC. Which by the way had filled all my gaming needs(PC) until the PS2 came out.
I had to have this super machine mainly so I could compare it to the DC and put down the PSX fanboys saying " see its not all that". However somewhere along the line I fell in love with it. I was the only one in my Sony hating group who did. Everyone loved the DC and blamed Sony for its woes.
Other than football online the DC never filled me with any real gaming satisfaction. Otherwise between the PC and the PS2 I have a real gaming one two punch.
I guess in an overview the real reason I love the PS2 is because of its games and that has a lot to do with Sony. But in the end whichever controller I have in my hand the most that is the system that wins.
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my PC is my favorite thing for games ever, but as far as consoles go i really loved my original Playstation.
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Originally posted by jiggs
Although the PC is my favored gaming platform as consoles go nothing has owned my like my PS2. Before that it was the ill fated Saturn which is still the consle I have loved the most(I was a big time Saturn fanboy).
I wanted the PS2 from the moment I heard about it problably because of my hate for the PSX and Sony and the fact they claimed it was going to be better than the PC. Which by the way had filled all my gaming needs(PC) until the PS2 came out.
I had to have this super machine mainly so I could compare it to the DC and put down the PSX fanboys saying " see its not all that". However somewhere along the line I fell in love with it. I was the only one in my Sony hating group who did. Everyone loved the DC and blamed Sony for its woes.
Other than football online the DC never filled me with any real gaming satisfaction. Otherwise between the PC and the PS2 I have a real gaming one two punch.
I guess in an overview the real reason I love the PS2 is because of its games and that has a lot to do with Sony. But in the end whichever controller I have in my hand the most that is the system that wins.
You were planning to spent money for a PS2 because u hated Sony and the PSX?JAs a chance to become a disappointed PS2 owner and prove that Sony was all crap to PSX fanboys???Did I understand well what u are trying to say?:confused:
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A good console is a good console and nothing can change that. Yes I did hate Sony and yes I had a PSX because it had the best games just like the Ps2 has now.
Hate or no hate I was In line to get a PS2 because I love gaming and dont want to miss out no matter what my feelings for a company is, thats not the machines fault.
Before the release of the PS2 I was an oh by the way Sega fan and could not stand the ripping PSX fanboys were giving it in anticipation of the launch of the PS2,Saying that the PS2 was going to be all that.
I wanted to have the prove on hand.(there are a couple of people who bought X-Boxs here who rip it all the time.) Put me in that group at that time.
I guess my hate for Sony stems from the demise of the Saturn which I fully blamed Sonys greed in buying off the rights to TR2.
I believe contributed to the decline of the Saturn.
Anyway to answer you question I bought the PS2 first to play some great games because I also bought into the hype second to speak the truth about its capabilities and games where I work without bias.
The bottom line here my friend is Now I love the dadgum machine and that is that.
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I agree with u.
I just wanted to see if that was ur primal reason u wanted to buy the console.
Good to hear you are open minded about consoles.
btw:Sega\'s many mistakes also playied a great role to the Saturn\'s demise.
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I dunno.. Its pretty damn close.
SNES and the PSX are my two favourite systems. But PS2 aint far behind.
Ive got so much out of it sofar, and the games keep on coming.
After Vice City, TS2, R&C ect. have been released it will prolly be my favourite system of all time :)
(just preordered Vice City btw)
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Hell no! Not even close.
That would go to...
SNES/DC.
It\'s a tie.
:D
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And I can\'t believe someone picked the DC.
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Originally posted by Bozco
And I can\'t believe someone picked the DC.
Yeah, well there were alot of people who believed in SEGA and the Dreamcast(me being one of them). The games were great for the time, it was SEGA\'S come back from the Saturn. I think it was a great system, it had alot of good games.
But I personally don\'t think of it as the greatest system ever,because:
1. The controller wasn\'t to great
2. Alot of the game were mediocore ( I know every system has them)
and 3. It died off to quick
As for Living-In-Clip\'s response "Hell no! Not even close. "
Come on! PS2 not close? PS2 has alot of great games! I would list them but I\'m too lazy to list all of those games. :cool:
My favorite system right now is in fact the Playstation 2.
;)
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Not pick the DC? How can you not with games like Sonic Adventure, Soul Calibur, Marvel Vs Capcom 2, Skies of Arcadia, Shenmue, Shenmue 2, Cannon Spike, Street Fighter: Third Strike, Phantasy Star Online, Resident Evil: Code Veronica, Gunbird 2, House of the Dead 2, Typing of the Dead, NFL2K and the very fact that so many great games came out in such a short period is only a testament of how great the DC was actually.
A lot of the game was medicore? How can you say this? Sony has less quality control than Sega ever did. Britney\'s Dance Beat? The list can go on and on. It only died off quick because of a certain \'hype machine\'...*cough*
As for my "hell no" response, I stand by it. I only recently started playing my PS2, which I\'ve had since launch, due to the lack of interesting titles, in my opinion. Infact, I honestly probably rate the NGC over the PS2. I probably own near 30 PS2 games and out of those, I would only make four of them must own, which is a sad , sad thing.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Not pick the DC? How can you not with games like Sonic Adventure, Soul Calibur, Marvel Vs Capcom 2, Skies of Arcadia, Shenmue, Shenmue 2, Cannon Spike, Street Fighter: Third Strike, Phantasy Star Online, Resident Evil: Code Veronica, Gunbird 2, House of the Dead 2, Typing of the Dead, NFL2K and the very fact that so many great games came out in such a short period is only a testament of how great the DC was actually.
A lot of the game was medicore? How can you say this? Sony has less quality control than Sega ever did. Britney\'s Dance Beat? The list can go on and on. It only died off quick because of a certain \'hype machine\'...*cough*
As for my "hell no" response, I stand by it. I only recently started playing my PS2, which I\'ve had since launch, due to the lack of interesting titles, in my opinion. Infact, I honestly probably rate the NGC over the PS2. I probably own near 30 PS2 games and out of those, I would only make four of them must own, which is a sad , sad thing.
I said it has alot of mediocore games just like every other system, it\'s not the perfect system like people makes it out to be.
As for all those games you mentioned, PS2 has all those games beat or equaled.
Sly = Sonic: better in some ways, not as good in others
SC2 > SC: I played SC2 in the arcade, it\'s better than SC imo
MVC 2: PS2 is getting the game with extras
FFX >= SoA Both have there moments
If freedom is what you want, GTA3 beats Shenmue, MGS2 beats the cinematics in Shenmue also
I\'ve never played Canon spike :shy:
Street Fighter is Street Fighter and PS2 has that
PS2 has Code Veronica with extras
Time Crisis = Houses of the Dead
Madden > NFL2K
I\'m not here to put the Dreamcast down because like I said it was good but PS2 is no loser when it comes to good games:
GT3, MGS2, SH2, FFX, J&D, TM:B, NFS:HP2, Burnout 2, Tekken, Ico, Mark of Kri, Sly Cooper, DMC,, MoH:FL, GTA3, Onimusha 2, Tony Hawk 3 Kingdom Hearts any more
...and the very fact that so many great games came out in such a short period is only a testament of how great the DC was actually.
I think the very fact that PS2 in still alive with more powerful systems out is only the tesament of how great PS2 games are.
Infact, I honestly probably rate the NGC over the PS2
:laughing: There\'s barely any good games or games even :laughing:
I probably own near 30 PS2 games and out of those, I would only make four of them must own, which is a sad , sad thing.
That is sad. I for one enjoy just about all my PS2 games, I have around 20-30 games also :cool:
BTW Britney\'s Dance beat was great! :D
jk:rolleyes:
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Even so LIC, did you play the SNES. A tie, you my friend are nuts. :nut:
I guess its all down to preference, like everything else.
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THe N64, IMO it really got video games to reach throughout a wider audience. I never owned a PSX(besides ps2) and I didnt think much of it. It had so many kick ass games, Perfect Dark, SSB, Zelda1,2....... the list goes on and on
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Sly = Sonic: better in some ways, not as good in others- Games
Granted, I\'ve only played the demo.. but SlyCooper is absolutely no competition for Sonic. It\'s a fun game and all.. but out & out Sonic was just way more fun. My only real complaints about SA & SA2 is the bad camera angles (a problem for most games.. even Super Mario Sunshine).. and the fact that support characters had their own plot paths. Would have been much better if all the characters were to take on the same levels and use their own special skills to find secrets and areas unavailable to other character types. (Much like the original Sonic games)
If freedom is what you want, GTA3 beats Shenmue, MGS2 beats the cinematics in Shenmue also - GAMES
GTA3 & MGS2 aren\'t anywhere NEAR the same type of game Shenmue is. How in god\'s name can you even compair those two? HeadHunter to MGS2.. yeah I can see that.. but not Shenmue. Good god, have you even played that game?
PS2 has Code Veronica with extras - GAMES
Yeah, and worse textures which they made up for with added jaggies. :p I\'ve played both versions.. and while the difference in graphics isn\'t TOOO great.. it\'s still very noticable. Those "extras" are minimal and aren\'t anything to brag about either.
Anyhow.. my favorite system is most definately my PC. The ability to emulate older console systems, play old PC games, and superior graphics (in many cases) make it the premier system for gaming overall. Not to mention that on the whole, PC games are far more sophisticated and complex than console games.
A second runner up would probably be my Dreamcast followed closely by my PSX and Genesis.
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Ah the N64 this console could have been my favorite. The problem however is the same as the GC has, super massive hits but very few.
Still to this day it had some of my favorite games like Goldeneye definatly in my all time loved book. BFD was a riot but not much more(never got into the Mario or Zelda and no little animals games for sure Except Conker) was offered.
Even now with the GC I am desparate to buy some games for it as of now I own two. With PS2 exclusives and most crossover games going to the X-box this leaves little room to the GC.
The N64 was a great machine but it just did not have enough games I like to play. I hope things will get better for the GC.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Not pick the DC? How can you not with games like Sonic Adventure, Soul Calibur, Marvel Vs Capcom 2, Skies of Arcadia, Shenmue, Shenmue 2, Cannon Spike, Street Fighter: Third Strike, Phantasy Star Online, Resident Evil: Code Veronica, Gunbird 2, House of the Dead 2, Typing of the Dead, NFL2K and the very fact that so many great games came out in such a short period is only a testament of how great the DC was actually.
Although I find DC a great console the huge amount of shooting games(Like Spawn,Heavy metal etc) and many arcadey games,IMO didnt let the console to show its true shine.Very good looking but mediocre games made the great ones sunk to the mass of the mediocre ones as people were blinded between the graphic only great ones and the generally great ones.
I wouldnt even consider House of the Dead2 or Typing of the Dead a killer DC game.Too arcady,too repetitive,nothing new.
But games like SC,SHENMUE,Sonic1 and 2,Phantasy Star online etc as some of the greatest games.EVER!
Btw:Any news on Sonic3 anyone?
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As much as I liked the DC and still do, I too wonder how anyone could pick it as their favourite. Sure, it has a few great games but so many that are just mediocre.
I think the DC has less great games than the PS2 has now. As one person said earlier; there are too many arcade type games for DC and few truely great.
My favorite console, if you can even call it a console, is the amiga. It was more of a computer but still. No system can beat the amiga IMO. Like the DC, it died a premature death.
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Granted, I\'ve only played the demo.. but Sly Cooper is absolutely no competition for Sonic.
Hmm only the demo... well there\'s the problem, you only played the demo, how can you compare a demo you played to a whole game? That\'s not fair. I\'ve played all of Sly Cooper and it\'s great, like Sonic.
GTA3 & MGS2 aren\'t anywhere NEAR the same type of game Shenmue is. How in god\'s name can you even compair those two? HeadHunter to MGS2.. yeah I can see that.. but not Shenmue. Good god, have you even played that game?
Yes, I\'ve played Shenmue, its a good game, but it\'s very slow paced. I was comparing the cinematics/the movie feel of the games. Shenmue has alot of cinemas, and I was saying if that\'s what you want, MGS2 hands-down beats the cinemas in Shenmue.
Most of Shenmue is based on the freedom you have in the game, going in houses, talking to people, getting jobs etc. My point was that if freedom is what you want,then GTA3 kills the freedom aspect of Shenmue.
PS2 can equal/ surpass anything on the DC, and it has.
Again, I\'m not here to put down the DC but the PS2 is the system to own now, it\'s on it\'s way to being one of the greatest systems of all-time. There\'s plenty of great games that haven\'t been released or even announced (Sega Rally 3 :facelick: ).
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I wonder where Sonic3 would be.If Sonic3 comes to PS2 then it will become my favourite console
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Sly and Sonic are two different types of platforming games, Jesus!
Shenmue being compared to GTA3 and MGS2, when they are not even in the same genre? How can you compare those?
Bragging that the PS2 has MVC2 with "extras"? How long did it take you PS2 owners to get this gem? Yeah, thats what I thought and I hate to break it to ya\', the PS2 only has two SF games..Capcom Vs SNK 2 and SFEX3 - neither of which can beat Street Fighter: Third IMpact for playability.
And yeah, the PS2 got Code Veronica - but who had it first? The DC and which version looks better? The DC version. I own them both. I\'ve played them both extensively and even wrote hatemail to Capcom for what I deem a shoddy port of RE:CV....
As for Unicorn - what the hell are you smoking? Typing of the Dead, nothing new? It is only one of the more original concepts and spins on the shooter genre , not to mention damn addicitive.
And finally, the comment about the NGC not having any good games...Let\'s see..
RE:Rebirth
Star Fox Adventure\'s
RE:0
Super Monkey Ball
Super Monkey Ball 2
Animal Crossing (which, is game of the year so far , in my opinion)
Sega Soccer Slam
Super Smash Bro\'s: Melee
And Boz - did I play the SNES? I\'ve grown up on gamin\' and owned a SNES as soon as they was released. Yes, it was one of the greater consoles ever, in my opinion. My mother gave away most my SNES games and I am rebuilding my collection slowly, recollecting classics that cannot even be touched by today\'s so called "great games".
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
And finally, the comment about the NGC not having any good games...Let\'s see..
RE:Rebirth
Star Fox Adventure\'s
RE:0
Super Monkey Ball
Super Monkey Ball 2
Animal Crossing (which, is game of the year so far , in my opinion)
Sega Soccer Slam
Super Smash Bro\'s: Melee
I never said NGC didn\'t have any good games, I said it didn\'t have many good games, there\'s a difference.
Those games you mention are good with the exception of a few...
Don\'t get me wrong I\'m not saying the NGC sucks, I\'m just saying how can you rate it better than PS2? PS2 has double/triple the amount of good game the GC has.
I\'m sure GC will getting better games in the future just like the PS2 did, or at least I hope so, because I own a GC:cool:
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
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As for Unicorn - what the hell are you smoking? Typing of the Dead, nothing new? It is only one of the more original concepts and spins on the shooter genre , not to mention damn addicitive.
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It was House of the Dead2 with a Keyboard.Instead of taking HOTD2 and replace the gun or controller with a Keyboard they could have made an entirely new game.
Not everyone would spent for that game.Some had House of the Dead2 already,some arent very good at typing and some didnt like House of the Dead.
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Here\'s a question. How long did it take the PS2 to get these supposely "great games" (which in my opinion, are hardly "great" by any means). Now compare that time to the time it took the DC to amount plenty of great games...
To be honest, if it wasn\'t for the fact that I must own every console due to Capcom - I wouldn\'t of even bought a PS2. I didn\'t care for the PSX and I care about the same for my PS2. I am interested in a handful of games at most and find that ninety percent of those are by my favorite developer - which so happened to be the strongest supporter for the DC - so maybe thats why I loved my DC. It was almost like having a Capcom exclusive console...Ah, how I wish...
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Hmm only the demo... well there\'s the problem, you only played the demo, how can you compare a demo you played to a whole game? That\'s not fair. I\'ve played all of Sly Cooper and it\'s great, like Sonic. - GAMES
Well, to be fair.. I compaired the SA2 demo which came with PSO v.1 to Sly Cooper. Sonic still beats Sly hands down in handling, discoverable secrets, reflexes, and pure fun. Not to say that it\'s a bad game from what I\'ve seen.. but again.. no competition for Sonic.
I was comparing the cinematics/the movie feel of the games. Shenmue has alot of cinemas, and I was saying if that\'s what you want, MGS2 hands-down beats the cinemas in Shenmue. - GAMES
Only on a PS2 message board would I find someone saying that MGS2 is better than Shenmue because of it\'s NON-PLAYABLE cinimatics. Christ people.. what do we play games for? Really.. just rent a damn movie.
Most of Shenmue is based on the freedom you have in the game, going in houses, talking to people, getting jobs etc. My point was that if freedom is what you want,then GTA3 kills the freedom aspect of Shenmue. - GAMES
Going into houses: You can\'t enter all the houses in GTA3. Actually, when you think about the size of the city there\'s not really a whole lot of places you CAN enter unless they have relevance to specific missions.
Talking to people: That\'s in everygame. Do people have dynamic dialoge that changes throughout the course of the game? Do they tell you about their lives, ask how you\'re doing, invite you to go out on a date? What about the average joe on the street. You can\'t talk to anyone the game doesn\'t NEED you to talk to. In Shenmue, you can talk to everyone.
Get a Job: Yeah, but that\'s the whole point of the game.. to get jobs and increase your reputation so that you can get better jobs. The job in Shenmue are just a part of the storyline.. not a central gameplay objective.
Now.. in GTA3 can you: Take care of animals, Play Arcade games, enter fighting tourneys, buy capsule toys, open individual drawers in the houses you enter, buy a soda from a vending machine, ect.. ect.. ect.. Shenmue still has far more freedom than GTA3.
Still, the two games aren\'t even compairable. If you can\'t even see the completely different gameplay structure between these two titles.. then there\'s no point in continuing this discussion.
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I bet u own a NGC
Here\'s a question. How long did it take the PS2 to get these supposely "great games" (which in my opinion, are hardly "great" by any means). Now compare that time to the time it took the DC to amount plenty of great games...
Launch titles have been in development for a longer time for DC than the ones for PS2.Also the easy to develop DC allowed many developers(and weaker ones)to make good games for it.
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Difficult to develop for archetecture doesn\'t make bad games.. it only makes bad looking games. Weither a game is good or not depends on the talent of the game makers.. not the strength of the hardware.
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Yes, I own aa NGC. I own every next gen system, plus a bunch of older ones (just recently got my import Saturn).
What is your point about the development time? You\'re saying we was gamers should excuse crappy or delayed games because Sony made their system to hard to develop for? As opposed to playing great games, sooner than later , with the DC?
Flawed logic...
And it isn\'t my fault Sony wasn\'t on the ball and didn\'t get developer kits out to developers sooner for the PS2 could have stellar launch games. That\'s Sony\'s fault and I hold them responisble for that mess up, just like I do for the shortage of PS2\'s.
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Only on a PS2 message board would I find someone saying that MGS2 is better than Shenmue because of it\'s NON-PLAYABLE cinimatics. Christ people.. what do we play games for? Really.. just rent a damn movie.
Shenmue cant compete with MGS2 because its got elements not seen in shenmue or as good and neither can MGS2 compete Shenmue because its got elements or better than MGS2\'s.
No reason to compare them.2 different genres.PS2 can deliver Shenmue type of games.But it doesnt have one.
The same goes for comparing Shenmue and GTA3.
DC had games the PS2 doesnt and the PS2 has games the DC didnt.Who cares?
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Obviously GAMES seems to care, or maybe he\'s just grasping at straws to compair games without letting each console rest on it\'s own laurels and having someone actually pick what he feels as the "lesser" console over his choice. Anyhow, that exactly what I said earlier.. you can\'t compaire the two titles so don\'t even bother trying.
Oh, and the PS2 does have a game which can compete with Shenmue graphically.. as soon as Konami gets around to releasing it. Silent Hill 3 looks to be the first game on the PS2 to really break the "DC" barrier and produce graphics that even the DC\'s top game couldn\'t match. Bout f\'ing time isn\'t it?
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Yes, I own aa NGC. I own every next gen system, plus a bunch of older ones (just recently got my import Saturn).
What is your point about the development time? You\'re saying we was gamers should excuse crappy or delayed games because Sony made their system to hard to develop for? As opposed to playing great games, sooner than later , with the DC?
Flawed logic...
And it isn\'t my fault Sony wasn\'t on the ball and didn\'t get developer kits out to developers sooner for the PS2 could have stellar launch games. That\'s Sony\'s fault and I hold them responisble for that mess up, just like I do for the shortage of PS2\'s.
1.Bad architecture?New architecture is more correct:Developers had to create tools and their own programming language.Programming isnt only about graphics.
2.What is your point about the development time? :Nobody told u to excuse.Blame the developers.Too bored too mess with the new architecture.
3.And it isn\'t my fault Sony wasn\'t on the ball and didn\'t get developer kits :Its not ur fault.As much as u dont like it thats one of the reasons we didnt see better games sooner.BTW:Its not that the development kits didnt come sooner.Its that the PS2 launched before letting developers to get the grips with the hardware and the kits(with other words it wasnt ready for the launch).Personally I blame Sony for this reason although it was the best date to launch the PS2 to create a huge install base sooner it wasnt good news for us gamers then.
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Oh, and the PS2 does have a game which can compete with Shenmue graphically.. as soon as Konami gets around to releasing it. Silent Hill 3 looks to be the first game on the PS2 to really break the "DC" barrier and produce graphics that even the DC\'s top game couldn\'t match. Bout f\'ing time isn\'t it?
But when will a developer deliver a game on PS2 that can compete it in gameplay style?Its the only game where u play in a civilised,social virtual world.Its almost a real city.
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Whenever those kinda games become profitable. The series carried a pricetag of about 100 million dollars or more combined.. and early projections suggest Sega won\'t be making a new one because gamers just aren\'t interested in it at the moment. That could be just because it\'s only been released on platforms with low userbases... but then again.. look at ICO. Like mm has been saying.. it\'s a niche title.
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Originally posted by SonyFan
Whenever those kinda games become profitable. The series carried a pricetag of about 100 million dollars or more combined.. and early projections suggest Sega won\'t be making a new one because gamers just aren\'t interested in it at the moment. That could be just because it\'s only been released on platforms with low userbases... but then again.. look at ICO. Like mm has been saying.. it\'s a niche title.
I hate it when great games dont get the attention they deserve.Shenmue is a revolutionary RPG.You are indeed playing a Role.Thats the kind of game I expected from next gen consoles.They managed to create such a title on the weaker DC.Its a masterpeice but people seem to prefer games similar to the ones they used to play on older generations.GTA3,GT3,DOA3,Project Gotham,SH2,FFX,ODDWORLD,SC2,T4.......nothing offers anything truely revolutionary but they are more succesfull.
Its the only truely next gen title IMO.If only there wasnt the slowdown and had less predefined fighting scenes some might say.But is there a perfect game?No.SEGA should have made it on PS2(bigger userbase) so people would start paying attention and give a lesson or two to other developers (and increase the chances of a sequel and games similar to it).
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Not pick the DC? How can you not with games like Sonic Adventure, Soul Calibur, Marvel Vs Capcom 2, Skies of Arcadia, Shenmue, Shenmue 2, Cannon Spike, Street Fighter: Third Strike, Phantasy Star Online, Resident Evil: Code Veronica, Gunbird 2, House of the Dead 2, Typing of the Dead, NFL2K and the very fact that so many great games came out in such a short period is only a testament of how great the DC was actually.
All these games you listed don\'t interest me at all,It is your right to say the DC is your favourite as it is mine to say the DC is not worth $1.It depends on your game tastes.My favourite is PS2 however when the next gen consoles hit it will change.
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I dont own every system ever released but i have emulators of almost every console ever released as well as thousands of games :D
I will have to say the 2 most underrated consoles of all time would have to be Neo Geo and DC. The Neo Geo apart from having the best collection of fighters ever (World Heroes, Samurai Showdown, Last Blade, King of Fighters, Fatal Fury, Waku Waku 7,etc) also has an impressive number of high quality puzzle games (Magical Drop 2&3, Panic Bomber, Bomberman, Gururin,Money Exchanger, Puzzle Booble, etc) and awesome shooters (Metal Slug, Pulstar, Blazing Star, Shock Troopers, etc).
The Dreamcast is a hardcore gamer paradise with lots of awesome 2d fighters and shooters. Games such as Street Fighter 3, Last Blade 2,Vampire Chronicles, Zero Gunner 2, Radiant Silvergun 2, Mars Matrix can only be found on DC. It also boasts some great racing games ( Test Drive Le Mans, Daytona Usa, MSR, Sega GT, Vanishing Point), 3d fighters (Soul Calibur, Power Stone 1 &2, Virtua Fighter 3, DOA2, Fighting Vipers 2), RPGs (the very underated Elemental Gimmick Gear, Skyes, Grandia 2, Record of Lodoss War, Silver), cool weird games (samba, typing of dead, space channel 5, Floigan Bros, OOga Booga, Jet Set Radio,Charge and Blast) awesome sport games (nba2k2, Nfl2k2, Tennis 2k2, Tony Hawk 2, Wsb2k2), survival games ( Resident Evil 2,3,cv, Alone in the Dark, Blue Stinger) fine fun for the whole family games games (sonic, Rayman 2, Puzzle Fighter 2, Mr Driller, Ms Pacman, Super Magnetic Neo, etc) and of course Shenmue 1 & 2 and PSO 1&2.
All of that quality gaming plus you can play Snes, Mame, Genesis, Nes emulators as well as online play, a VGA connection, Gun games (virtua cop 2, death crimson, house of the dead, confidential mission) keyboard and mouse support, etc, etc. Certainly worthy of being called one of the best of all time IMO.
Astro
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I hate it when great games dont get the attention they deserve.Shenmue is a revolutionary RPG.You are indeed playing a Role.
Playing a role has nothing to do with being a role playing game. A role playing game stems from having various roles to choose from. Shenmue doesn\'t have these roles, or the statistical/experience upgrading of your characters. Which are probably the two key factors to defining a Role-Playing Game.
Its the only truely next gen title IMO.If only there wasnt the slowdown and had less predefined fighting scenes some might say.But is there a perfect game?No.SEGA should have made it on PS2(bigger userbase) so people would start paying attention and give a lesson or two to other developers (and increase the chances of a sequel and games similar to it).
Putting it on the PS2 would increase it\'s chances of selling more, but ultimately, even that would fail. Besides, could you imagine the slowdown and graphical downgrades that would be incurred by Sega putting it on the PS2? Ugh..
And yeah, the PS2 got Code Veronica - but who had it first? The DC and which version looks better? The DC version. I own them both. I\'ve played them both extensively and even wrote hatemail to Capcom for what I deem a shoddy port of RE:CV....
Who cares.. Code Veronica was a travesty to possibly my all-time favorite game series :crap:
:fro: toot on
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Doesn\'t DC also have RE: C: VX?
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DC got Code: Veronica, PS2 got Code: VeronicaX. With minor additional content, but shoddy graphics..
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Originally posted by SonyFan
Only on a PS2 message board would I find someone saying that MGS2 is better than Shenmue because of it\'s NON-PLAYABLE cinimatics.
I never said MSG2 is better just because of the cinemas, I said it had better cinematics, there\'s a difference.
;)
Now.. in GTA3 can you: Take care of animals, buy capsule toys, open individual drawers in the houses you enter, buy a soda from a vending machine, ect.. ect.. ect.
But is that really fun to do...
is it?!?!
Atleast GTA3\'s freedom is fun to do: Drive cars, use guns, fly vehicles, etc. etc. etc.
I know comparing Shenmue and MGS2 isn\'t very smart but I\'m comparing the movie feel of the games, not the gameplay, because in that aspect they\'re totally different.
GTA3 and Shenmue on the other have some things in common, both games make the player wander around a big city, both let you get jobs and earn money, both let you do whatever the hell you want to do, but GTA3 just give you alittle more freedom imo. Or at least a great amount of fun with the freedom.
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Shenmue is a revolutionary RPG.You are indeed playing a Role.Thats the kind of game I expected from next gen consoles. - Unicron!
Ironic isn\'t, that a game you expect from "next generation" consoles bears strong similarities to games released over 20 years ago.. and a striking resemblance to a series that was released over 12 years ago. Shenmue, really, is nothing in and of itself revolutionary. What Shenmue managed to do was to take revolutionary aspects from several older games and combine them in a very highly polished and solidly constructed game that is both simple and fun to play.
On that note: Shenmue is not an RPG. Regardless of what other companies/organizations may be calling it, Shenmue is an Adventure game. That\'s what Sega calls it outside of their "F.R.E.E" hype genre.. and even Yu Suzuki gives credit to the games which insipired Shenmue in various interviews.. those titles are specifically Adventure games.
GAMES - Yes, all that is fun to do. I doubt you would understand since I highly doubt you were PC gaming back in the late 80\'s thru early 90\'s. You\'re expecting action and bloodshed to make a game fun.. but there\'s other ways which other gamers enjoy their games. For me, at least, exploration and interaction is a HUGE part of what makes a game enjoyable. Shenmue delivered both of these in spades.. and on a far greater level than GTA3 did.
You\'ve just pointed out the key as to why Shenmue is a niche title on consoles. Had it been released in the early 80\'s on the PC with improved puzzles.. then I have no doubt that Shenmue would have become a smash success compairable to even Monkey Island.
Also.. since you\'re bringing up the subject of fun.. how is watching an FMV cutscene very much fun? Ok.. so MGS2 has better cinematics. Does it make the game more fun.. how does it enhance gameplay.. and how can it when you\'re simply watching it and not actually ~doing~ anything? That\'s not gaming.. that\'s watching a movie.
And as for freedom.. nice how you knocked it down to basically "I don\'t care for freedom if it\'s not fun.. so we can knock out all of Shenmue\'s freedoms and put it on par with GTA3\'s freedom which is actually fun for me". That\'s not the way it works tho... Weither fun for you or not.. the level of freedom to do what you want IS greater in Shenmue.
Ugh.. why I am even bothering, just stop compairing the two as it does a huge injustice for both games.. not to mention accomplishes nothing since they aren\'t even remotely similar. *Ugh*
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
And finally, the comment about the NGC not having any good games...Let\'s see..
RE:Rebirth
Star Fox Adventure\'s
RE:0
Super Monkey Ball
Super Monkey Ball 2
Animal Crossing (which, is game of the year so far , in my opinion)
Sega Soccer Slam
Super Smash Bro\'s: Melee
I believe you were referring to my comment there.
First off I know the NGC has some fun games that were critically acclaimed. My comment fit my own gaming needs. RE Zero, Metroid Prime I will most likely buy. RE and Rouge 2 are the only games I have for it now. Great games.
I am sure the others you listed are good games just not my cup of tea. I just believe compared to the PS2 and X-box the NGC is a little lite in the type of games I want.
I just at this point dont see much from them on the horizon. Check me if I am wrong. I just need to see more to make that purchase worthwhile.
Animal Crossing GOTY? For NGC or for all? Is that the one were you make towns for the little animals? Dont sound like my kind of game but I might have to try it out if you say it is that good.
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I should really come to this forum more often...
Anyway, my favorites:
SNES
NES
Genesis
Those are the big 3 for me. I doubt, with the way gaming is going, that they will ever be beat.
Then again, PS2 isn\'t even my favorite console of this generation. That honor belongs to Gamecube.
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Yes DC also has RECVX but capcom never brought it to the States.
Astro
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Originally posted by SonyFan
GAMES - Yes, all that is fun to do. I doubt you would understand since I highly doubt you were PC gaming back in the late 80\'s thru early 90\'s. You\'re expecting action and bloodshed to make a game fun.. but there\'s other ways which other gamers enjoy their games. For me, at least, exploration and interaction is a HUGE part of what makes a game enjoyable. Shenmue delivered both of these in spades.. and on a far greater level than GTA3 did.
Yes, you\'re right I didn\'t play PC games in the 80s, 90s or even today.
I expect action games to be fast paced and enjoyable at all times. I also enjoy exploration in games. Shenmue was good( yes, I played it) but after awhile I got tired of it.
Also.. since you\'re bringing up the subject of fun.. how is watching an FMV cutscene very much fun? Ok.. so MGS2 has better cinematics. Does it make the game more fun.. how does it enhance gameplay.. and how can it when you\'re simply watching it and not actually ~doing~ anything? That\'s not gaming.. that\'s watching a movie.
I never said watching FMV cutscenes were "fun", I said I liked the cinematics in MGS 2 more than Shenmue\'s, that\'s all, I didn\'t mention gameplay at all
Ugh.. why I am even bothering, just stop compairing the two as it does a huge injustice for both games.. not to mention accomplishes nothing since they aren\'t even remotely similar. *Ugh*
Yup, you\'re right :D
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Yes it is it has the best overall games of any console Ive had
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Which is not much, considering thats all you have...
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Sorry for taking out this comment here but...
Oh, and the PS2 does have a game which can compete with Shenmue graphically.. as soon as Konami gets around to releasing it. Silent Hill 3 looks to be the first game on the PS2 to really break the "DC" barrier and produce graphics that even the DC\'s top game couldn\'t match. Bout f\'ing time isn\'t it?
You\'re not trying to say that Shenmue still looks better than all games on PS2 are you?
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Originally posted by seven
Sorry for taking out this comment here but...
You\'re not trying to say that Shenmue still looks better than all games on PS2 are you?
:laughing:
Even comparing the two games is laughable. :)
I saw a looong thread at Beyond3D comparing the Shenmue tech demo (they called it "head demo" to SH3 ingame graphics.. Funny :)
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No console this generation even touches the SNES. The 16-bit era was by far the most progressive and enjoyable, back in the day when it was about gameplay and not graphics.
Best game of all time: Super Mario RPG
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I\'d just like to point out a few things...
1) The DC does not have Radiant SilverGun 2. It has Ikragua! Yes, it was code-named RS2, but it is not Radiant SilverGun 2. Even though, it could rightfully be the true sequel.
2)The DC does indeed have Resident Evil: Code Veronica X - It is called Bio Hazardl: Code Veronica Complete and it was only released in Japan. But, it was indeed released.
3) Saying GTA3\'s freedom is more fun than Shenmue\'s is objective and opionated. Example? I thought GTA3 was crap and found it boring and can\'t understand why on earth anyone would want to play such garbage. On the other hand, I found Shenmue and Shenmue 2 to be two of the most engaging and original games in along time. It\'s all objective and opinion based.
4) MGS2 and Shenmue cinematics. First off, I can\'t believe anyone would even want to debate on cinematics, but oh well. Second, MGS2 is nothing but frickin\' cinema\'s. Where as Shenmue\'s cinema\'s are few and short. There is no 40 mintue cinema about a super solider or whatever. Ugh..Don\'t even get me started on this..
5) Calling Animal Crossing a game with little animals where you make towns is just plain ignorant. Give me a break. At least try it and get a clue on what it is about before you trash it. The game is highly original, enjoyable and addictive for all ages. Also, I wasn\'t talking about your comment when I listed those games. I was reffering to "Games" comment earlier in the thread.
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MGS2 is a great game even with its long cinematics.Its still one of the greatest games.
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You\'re not trying to say that Shenmue still looks better than all games on PS2 are you? - seven
Of course not, but by and large it looks much better than ~most~ of the games on the PS2. While it may not be technically graphically superior, the end product of what you see on the screen did look better than most PS2 games up until recently (IMO). It\'s mainly because of the way it was constructed to hide or downplay it\'s shortcommings.. as it was able to pull off some amazing visuals which one wouldn\'t think possible on the Dreamcast.
These shortcommings are obvious (and even a bit painful compaired to the rest of the game) when you look at expansive scenes (like looking out over Hong Kong from the top of the Yellow Head Building).. however scenes like the Firefly pool, Cave Campout, Nozomi\'s Farewell, and even mundane locations like the Mahjoong parlor were extremely well detailed... and made up the vast majority of the game.
I\'m not saying that ~NO~ game has ever reached Shenmue\'s level of graphics on the PS2.. just that VERY FEW have.. and it\'s only now that average games are starting to match Shenmue\'s level of detail while others (like SH3) are clearly surpassing it. This is something I consider unexcusable considering the massive gap in graphical power these two machines have between them.
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thanks for clarifying that SonyFan. ;) The reason why I asked, is because I do know quite a lot of people out there who strongly believe Shenmue to be the best and most graphically impressive thing out... :(
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Favorite Consoles Ever:
SNES, Genesis, N64, DC
Going by the amount of fun I had playing them these are easily my favorite consoles. N64 is probably my favorite multiplayer console ever(Mario Kart, Goldeneye, THQ/AKI Wrasslin Games, etc). The DC had SO many AAA games in such a short period of time. There is absoluttely no reason why the DC should have died out so early. The PS2 had no games to compare to the DC when they discontinued it.