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MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Gunfire has been heard from a Moscow theatre where about 20 armed gunmen are reported to be holding the audience, believed to be about 700 people, hostage.
The gunmen said they were demanding "an end to the war," according to a freed hostage, in the first indication of a link to the Chechen conflict, Interfax news agency reported.
CNN\'s Ryan Chilcote said five gunshots were heard after the gunmen seized the building on Wednesday night and said the situation was chaotic.
He said that Russia\'s elite Alpha Group of crack security troops had surrounded the theatre complex. He said that actors leaving the building had reported the gunmen laying mines in the theatre.
Chilcote said that two Russian snipers had taken up position behind him and a number of police with dogs had moved into the building.
Two hundred interior ministry troops had taken up positions with trolley buses blocking the roads he said.
Earlier Interfax, one of whose reporters was in the theatre at the time, said the gunmen had allowed members of the audience to make phone calls and children to be released.
The gunmen fired shots into the air as they entered the theatre. Muslim members of the audience attending the production of "North-East" were also allowed to leave, Interfax said.
The theatre was formerly the "palace of culture" for a ball-bearing plant
The theatre -- "the Palace of Culture" formerly for workers of a ballbearing plant -- was staging a performance of the musical "Nord-Ost," one of the Russian capital\'s most popular productions. About 40 actors, 35 musicians, 50 staff and an audience of 600 were believed to be inside the hall located in southeastern Moscow in a working class neighbourhood.
The theatre\'s producer, Alexander Tsekalo, said on Russian television that the theatre could hold 1,163 people.
Russian President Vladimir Putin was immediately told of the hostage taking, Interfax reported. Mosow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov went to the theatre.
Chechen rebels kill Russian soldiers and Chechen police on a daily basis with attacks and mine blasts. Most police officers in the southern republic\'s Moscow-backed government are ethnic Chechens, whom the rebels consider traitors.
Russian forces left Chechnya in 1996 after a disastrous two-year war but returned in 1999 after rebels raided a neighbouring region and Russian authorities blamed rebels for a series of bombings in Russia that killed more than 300 people.
The musical showing at the theatre when the gunmen entered, "Nord-Ost," is based on Veniamin Kaverin\'s novel "Two Captains." The romantic novel recounts the story of two students and their different destinies during the Soviet times.
According to the theatre\'s Web site, more than 350,000 people have seen the production since it opened.
Oh dear, I wonder how they\'re going to solve this.
They better solve this the diplomatic way, and not start bombing whats left of their country. (or try to enter the building.. BOOM)
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God, more Chechen terrorists acts...you\'d think that Putin would be in full support of a "stop to terrorism", being that it\'s a huge part of his own country. They need to get the extremists under control -- that\'s ridiculous.
See Yuz.
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Earlier Interfax, one of whose reporters was in the theatre at the time, said the gunmen had allowed members of the audience to make phone calls and children to be released.
well, atleast they are letting the kids go.
I heard it on the news earlier, this thing could last days
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This is just rediculous, all we seem to hear about is terrorism.
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God dammit. Enough is enough. I\'m tired of militant men killing and threatening to kill because someone pissed in their cheerios. If there is a "Creator" (and I believe there is), I doubt this creator intended for humans to perpetuate all this bullshit.
Organized religion, political offices, income taxes, terrorism = BULLSHIT
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Religion, government, taxes....all good intentions.
Humans.....make them into bad ones.
Give a human a tree, he\'ll fashion a spear out of the branches.
There\'s not one good thing that humans have not fashioned to turn it into a bad thing. We\'re wild animals with large brains after all.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
God, more Chechen terrorists acts...you\'d think that Putin would be in full support of a "stop to terrorism", being that it\'s a huge part of his own country. They need to get the extremists under control -- that\'s ridiculous.
See Yuz.
He is.. A few years ago the Russians launched a full scale attack on the Chechen main city totaly destroying it (they keept bombing it for days, and then they went in with tanks and bulldozers)
Putin has said that these "terrorists" are under control. Now he\'s looking like an idiot.
Let me just put it this way, bombing for peace is like fu
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What does that freakin Chechen country have that the russian want so bad anyway? Oil? gold? crap? what????
just let them Chechen form their backwards country and **** goats or sheep or what ever species they ****, and let them be.
As for the terrorists, if they harm one person in the theater, i\'d just waste the whole bunch of them and kill 100 Chechen civilians for each russian murdered, only fair. If i was Prez i\'d waste any mofo ****ing with my country, eye for an eye baby, ......
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Originally posted by Toxical
As for the terrorists, if they harm one person in the theater, i\'d just waste the whole bunch of them and kill 100 Chechen civilians for each russian murdered, only fair. If i was Prez i\'d waste any mofo ****ing with my country, eye for an eye baby, ......
Then how would you be any different from those terrorists?
its this way of thinking that has lead the world to all this shit, two wrongs dont equal a right.
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Originally posted by Toxical
What does that freakin Chechen country have that the russian want so bad anyway? Oil? gold? crap? what????
just let them Chechen form their backwards country and **** goats or sheep or what ever species they ****, and let them be.
As for the terrorists, if they harm one person in the theater, i\'d just waste the whole bunch of them and kill 100 Chechen civilians for each russian murdered, only fair. If i was Prez i\'d waste any mofo ****ing with my country, eye for an eye baby, ......
I have no idea.. If they let go of the Chechnya they might look "weak".. Maybe its about pride?
Anyways, its not worth spending thousands upon thousands just for a piece of land where you\'re not wanted anyways.
The Russians have taken huge casualties in the Russian - Chechnya war.
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One of the hostages has been killed.. Hmm already started killing the hostages?
They said on the news that the terrorists have given the Russians 1 week to pull out of Chechnya.
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Originally posted by fastson
One of the hostages has been killed.. Hmm already started killing the hostages?
They said on the news that the terrorists have given the Russians 1 week to pull out of Chechnya.
Could be a heart attack, you never know ....
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Originally posted by Toxical
Could be a heart attack, you never know ....
Yep its possible.
Russian TV has shown pictures where they were carrying someone on a stretcher covered in a blanket.
It will be interesting to see how good \'ol KGB Vladimir will solve this.
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Organized religion, political offices, income taxes, terrorism = BULLSHIT
WORDDDDDDD!
Greatest. Thing. Ever said. Hell, that\'s signature worthy. Infact, that\'s quote of the week worthy.
I love ya\' , Sara!
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Initial reports say the woman was shot for trying to escape.
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just heard one is dead.. this is so ****ed up, since 9/11 this is all you hear about
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Originally posted by Kurt Angle
Initial reports say the woman was shot for trying to escape.
Yep, she was shot while trying to escape.
They have also heard 3 explosions from inside the building.
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Well i\'d take a nice MIG and fly over some Chech city and drop a nice plump bomb about now... and kill some civilians, hey only fair.
CNN - "We have chosen this approach... for the freedom of the Chechen people and there is no difference in where we die, and therefore we have decided to die here, in Moscow. And we will take with us the lives of hundreds of sinners."
This is their slogan, to take as many "Sinners" with us as we can... hmmmm, there are only 1.2 Million or so Chechens in that country, i wonder how a nice 50Megaton A-bomb would roast them. :vader:
Am i the only person that is getting tired of all these bum-fuk-hicks that goat and sheep fukkers trying to impose their ass-backwards ways of thinking on the rest of the world? I can understand they want their country .. fine, but don\'t fukk with the civilian population, destroy some tanks/ kill some soldiers, fine... but if you go after the civilian population you are nothing more than a piece of shit terrorist that needs to get KILLED with extreme prejudice.
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Originally posted by Toxical
Well i\'d take a nice MIG and fly over some Chech city and drop a nice plump bomb about now... and kill some civilians, hey only fair.
No its not fair.. As someone said before me: “Blood does not clean up Blood”. (or something like that).
[/quote]This is their slogan, to take as many "Sinners" with us as we can... hmmmm, there are only 1.2 Million or so Chechens in that country, i wonder how a nice 50Megaton A-bomb would roast them. :vader:[/quote]
And risk a nuclear war? Maybe the Indian would use that as a excuse to nuke Pakistan? And you never know what the yanks would do, they are as jumpy/trigger-happy as ever (especially when they got that cowboy on the throne).
I can understand they want their country .. fine, but don\'t fukk with the civilian population, destroy some tanks/ kill some soldiers, fine...
I agree, if they must kill something, then attack the troops.. They are prepared to fight, they are trained to fight, and since your at war with them.. yeah well says itself :)
but if you go after the civilian population you are nothing more than a piece of shit terrorist that needs to get KILLED with extreme prejudice. [/B]
Agreed, sounds like you described yourself btw ;)
ell i\'d take a nice MIG and fly over some Chech city and drop a nice plump bomb about now... and kill some civilians, hey only fair
:shy:
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Originally posted by fastson
No its not fair.. As someone said before me: “Blood does not clean up Blood”. (or something like that).
That is the problem with society, we think we are civilized and should be accountable, and adhere to a certain moral standard etc... What we do not realize is that these people have no such "Limiting" factors in their decision making. They can do what they want, and when they want. A N I M A L S.
A fundamentalist nut-case that thinks his Muslim (or fill in the blank religion) belief lets him slaughter the “Sinners” has no qualms over killing you, your mother/father, sister, or some poor baby sleeping in a crib, … If you play by the rules, you will not dent, or hinder these animals from doing this again and again. Let the people that support and hide these assholes pay for their crimes, stop financial support, do not feed these people, do not give them any type of economic support, bomb them for each act of terrorism … eye for an eye…
And risk a nuclear war? Maybe the Indian would use that as a excuse to nuke Pakistan? And you never know what the yanks would do, they are as jumpy/trigger-happy as ever (especially when they got that cowboy on the throne).
Who knows, all I know is that if they did nuke the Pakistanis the Indians would get fried in return… I hope MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) would discourage these nuts from doing it. Who ever let these dumb-fuks have the Bomb? Why were they not stopped?
As for Bush, that guy is a moron, I’m sorry, he is. Is he even leading the USA? Or is his VP doing it from the shadows? Or even his daddy?
Agreed, sounds like you described yourself btw ;)
Hmmmm, yeah, you could say that, since I’m for killing civilians for civilians… but just think about this: If your Mother, Father, brother/sister get killed by these scum, would you turn the other cheek and let them get away? I wouldn’t. So yeah, I’d probably want my elected leader to order some Jets to hit some civilian targets. Why not. Treat animals as animals.
The only reason Israel is still around is that they do what they please, and shiat on the UN and USA combined when it comes to POW’s, Prisoner Rights in Jails and other such freedoms when it comes to the Arabs in their custody. Israel would skull-fukk the whole Palestinian “Nation” and the UN and USA wouldn’t blink an eye. Why? Who knows… :D Nukes, strong USA lobby in congress, …….
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As for Bush, that guy is a moron, I’m sorry, he is. Is he even leading the USA? Or is his VP doing it from the shadows? Or even his daddy?
Yet, another great thing said in this thread.
Wow..
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Originally posted by Toxical
That is the problem with society, we think we are civilized and should be accountable, and adhere to a certain moral standard etc... What we do not realize is that these people have no such "Limiting" factors in their decision making. They can do what they want, and when they want. A N I M A L S.
Then we need to be better than them ;)
Let the people that support and hide these assholes pay for their crimes, stop financial support, do not feed these people, do not give them any type of economic support, bomb them for each act of terrorism … eye for an eye…
Yes the people who are responsible.. Not bomb the civilian population. They have no control on what’s going on.
Who knows, all I know is that if they did nuke the Pakistanis the Indians would get fried in return… I hope MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) would discourage these nuts from doing it. Who ever let these dumb-fuks have the Bomb? Why were they not stopped?
No one is stopping them from getting the bomb. We even though of getting some nukes ourselves in the 50-60ies (Sweden).
Its not that hard.. I don’t think anyone should have the bomb.
but just think about this: If your Mother, Father, brother/sister get killed by these scum, would you turn the other cheek and let them get away?
No, and I never said I would. I would get the people responsible and not go off killing someone else (bombing/killing civilians).
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Well, some kids were released earlier today, but for the rest ithe drama continues.
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Originally posted by Kurt Angle
Well, some kids were released earlier today, but for the rest ithe drama continues.
Yeah eight of them.
First pics of the terrorists.
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Why do these scumbags always hide their faces?
I sometimes feel that the only way to stop this crap is to go in and wipe out these pieces of human waste no matter the cost. If that means hostages die in the process so be it. Maybe that will send a message that if you do this you die.
I know that is out of the question. Just sick of this crap.
By the way, if religion did not exist we would be living in a utopia. :rolleyes:
Ace
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I say just stop economic help to all these fukked up states, that have these scumbag-nut-cases ...
do not help any state that produces these wastes-of-sperm.
I really have enough of these have-nots trying to get their way by killing civilians.
I do not mind them going after targets of war, like soldiers, or even objects that have some type of critical value in their "War" effort.
Enough is enough, why do all these goat-fukkers think they can walk all over us? Does the goat fukking give them some type of mental disease or something?
What is there to be gained giving in to these assholes? Maybe next time they will take 1000 hostages and demand that no "Oil" will be exported to the USA and all other countries that support the USA?
It will only get worse from now on, as the barrier between the haves and have nots grows. You give in one time to these animals and they will take more hostages and demand more things in the future.
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Originally posted by Toxical
You give in one time to these animals and they will take more hostages and demand more things in the future.
Agreed! They only understand one thing, and that is death. I say way give them the one thing they understand.
Ace
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hmmm this is a first, one of the terrorists is a women.
By the way, if religion did not exist we would be living in a utopia
this maybe true, but if u look at it things carefully u\'d realize that its not religon thats the root of all evil but infact its the "greedy power hungry people" that r behind this.
enough rambling from me, but on a final note i really hope their is an end to this situation (preferably a peaceful one).
:)
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By the way, if religion did not exist we would be living in a utopia. :rolleyes:
Please not the rolling of my eyes.
Ace
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crap,
sorry :(.
/me is too lazy to do any editing.
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Hmm.. Negotiations have broken down. Neither part is talking anymore.
Tomorrow at 6 o\'clock the deadline ends and the terrorist start shooting the hostages.
Either the deadline is extended or the Russians storm the building. They cant just sit there and do nothing.
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Tyrant: Several of the terrorists are women (they estimate that 40 to maybe 100 terrorists are in the building). They are widows of fallen Chechnya soldiers.
These guys call themselves the 29th suicide squad.. They don’t want to be captured alive.
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Originally posted by fastson
Hmm.. Negotiations have broken down. Neither part is talking anymore.
Tomorrow at 6 o\'clock the deadline ends and the terrorist start shooting the hostages.
Either the deadline is extended or the Russians storm the building. They cant just sit there and do nothing.
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Tyrant: Several of the terrorists are women (they estimate that 40 to maybe 100 terrorists are in the building). They are widows of fallen Chechnya soldiers.
These guys call themselves the 29th suicide squad.. They don’t want to be captured alive.
I have this idea, why don\'t the russians pump some sleeping gas or something that will make everyone fall asleep then they can just walk in and take over .. :laughing:
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Originally posted by Toxical
I have this idea, why don\'t the russians pump some sleeping gas or something that will make everyone fall asleep then they can just walk in and take over .. :laughing:
That\'s not such a bad idea, at least they can take those assholes alive and rescue the hostages at the same time.
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Well looks like they took your advice Toxical, sleeping gas was used to storm the theatre by special forces. Most of the terrorists are dead and a few hostages also. I guess this can be considered a success judging by the severity of the situation and number of hostages.
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Well I just woke up (14:49 lol) and I heard on the radio that upto 130 people were killed. I think they said one of the bombs detonated killing alot of people (about 67 hostages)..
Most terrorists are dead (34).. Unknown number of Russian soldiers were killed.
Damn this is tragic :(
Apperently the deadline went out and the terrorists started shooting the hostages, so the Russians had to storm the building directly. (They had planned to storm the building from underneath)
Terrorist leader Dead:
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One of the dead terrorists.. Note the bomb.
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It is too bad about the civilians, but at least most of the Terrorists were taken down like the animals that they are.
I wonder how many CIV\'s really died.... i say Putin bomb a Chech City and take some of their civilians in the process, only fair ! treat those damn animals as animals
you put a bear down if it comes to your town a couple of times, why not put those Chech animals down also?
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Originally posted by Toxical
It is too bad about the civilians, but at least most of the Terrorists were taken down like the animals that they are.
I wonder how many CIV\'s really died.... i say Putin bomb a Chech City and take some of their civilians in the process, only fair ! treat those damn animals as animals
you put a bear down if it comes to your town a couple of times, why not put those Chech animals down also?
Only 3 terrorists were taken alive. 34 were killed.
On the news just now they said 90 civilians were killed. (740 were saved alive)
Seems your wishes will come true, the Russians are launching a new offensive on Chechnya.
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Originally posted by fastson
Seems your wishes will come true, the Russians are launching a new offensive on Chechnya.
YES !!! Take those dumb-fukk goat/sheep fukkers down !
If they want to be terrorists and support terrorists let them have some pain of their own.
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The Russians do not have the kind of gov\'t you want to fud with. Terrorists should have learned from the past that Russia will kill a terrorist\'s surviving relatives if they feel like it.
So much for diplomacy. Russia 2, Terrorists 0 :D
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It\'s sad this had to take place.
Now I guess its time for Russia to destroy them like we did the Taliban
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If we all go really simple on this then this is what it all comes down to:
It is us against the world, and if we keep being civilized the Terrorists will piss all over us.