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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: ##RaCeR## on October 28, 2002, 01:57:10 AM
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Ok, I got a free WRC II demo disc from a SONY rep today. Was very excited as I really wanted to try the game out. The demo has three tracks playable, Italy, Cyprus and Monnaco, with two cars, the 206 and some other ugly green and white thing.
Anyways, I first played Italy. Graphics have not really been improved upon from WRC. I was actually really surprised that it looked so similar (it looks very different to those screens floating around). Maybe this is a really, really old build??? Anyways, the disappointing bit was when I actually went and raced. The car is so light and floaty its not funny, I was actually driving up walls and embankments, as if I was in some monster truck. The car also severly oversteers, almost to the point where you\'ve done a 120 degree turn and almost facing the wrong way.
The demo was extremely dissapointing. I am gonna get CM3 to see how it fairs, but its looking alot better then WRC II.
I am not sure if this is the same demo as the OPSM UK one.
If anyone has any questions, just ask. I doubt I will play it again though...
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perhaps the build is very old. Have you spoken to the rep who gave you the disc?
Also, the team did say that the realism is dependant on what level you choose. Maybe the demo didn\'t have the "ultra" realistc one included?
The graphics, although hard to believe, may also be due to it being an old build? I\'ve seen videos of the game and I heared people rave about it who actually saw footage on DVD. Apperantly it looks amazing and the footage I myself have seen underline this. If the demo you have seen is the real thing though, than I am extremely disappointed to say the least. I hope it\'s not true, but I guess we\'ll see in due time.
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Seven, I was given the demo. I might scan it to show you what it looks like.
Another strange thing is that it uses the same instrumental music that CM3 does in all the video\'s that Codemasters have posted on their website. I think its a Chemical Brothers song. Anyway, its the same in both WRC II and CM3, which I found quite funny.
The graphics are quite strange to tell you the truth, nice textures, but big, ugly cut out trees etc. The graphics I can live with, though nothing as good as CM3, but its the gameplay that is really disappointing. There is also no sense of speed, ala WRC I.
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Cyprus?Thats where I am from.I WANT THAT DEMO!
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Aww shite.. i was looking forward to it aswell.. i\'ll be picking up OPSM2 on 1st november and see what its like.
The music on the CMR3 video\'s is not the same as the Chemical Brothers one found in WRCII. it loks like
Codemasters have tried to create a tune very simlar. yeah, they are really close as i thought that when i played CMR3
but it is a different tune. the Chemical Brothers one is better imho, as it reminds me of the drive down to Cardiff
to watch SS2 in the welsh forests.. i\'m hopefull that the demo we get on the offical mag has the expert handling included.
Damn, might be then that us Rally fans need to stick with the PC to get our kicks from.
Racer, have you played Rally Trophy? if not download the demo and have a go.. that has probably some of the best
physics in a rally game.. shame there are no WRC\'s in it. that would be class..
also if you havn\'t looked yet check out the Codemasters CMR3 forum Racer.
http://62.25.96.161/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=62
man, it\'s getting hot in there but there are a lot of mixed views on the game..
i\'d say take a look there then make your mind up about CMR3 m8.
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I hope the finished game is better than the demo you played. From recent video footage on magazines it looks better than CMR3. Looks like will will have to wait and see.
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The demo is the one Sony had at the Playstation Experience.
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well i thouht the first one sucked.... cant believe cm3 sucks, wasnt expecting this to be good, has anyone played shox??? from ea, i aint, i heard its meant to be real good
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The really, really strange thing about the demo I have is the physics. You hit a wall and the car launches up into the air and starts madly spinning in the air. I think they are trying to re-create the feel of rally crashes, like they show in the video footage.
Its a real shame, the cars just handle crazy, almost like your on an ice skating rink, its stupid.
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do you know on what level the demo is set? Also, if is this the demo showed at the PlayStation Experience, is that good or bad? Old or new? Dunno, I hope this is a old build, because the thought of this actually reflecting the finished product really disappoints me. Also, when\'s this game coming out in Europe?
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Dunno about the level of difficulty, couldn\'t change it anywhere. Also, the tracks are really boring, like, all sections of the track look the same, almost as though they have been fractally generated, kinda like the V-Rally 2 tracks you can make yourself. Just hills, an incline, then a decline and so on, very boring, and they all look the same.
In the demo, Italy and Monaco look the same, except one uses a different texture... I was shocked as to how basic it looked, I mean, there is no real time fog or volumetric sorta effects, even the dust sucks.
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damn, this sounds even worse than WRC?! :confused:
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
You hit a wall and the car launches up into the air and starts madly spinning in the air.
Oooo... *fond memories of aerial V-Rally ballet sessions*
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
The really, really strange thing about the demo I have is the physics. You hit a wall and the car launches up into the air and starts madly spinning in the air. I think they are trying to re-create the feel of rally crashes, like they show in the video footage.
Its a real shame, the cars just handle crazy, almost like your on an ice skating rink, its stupid.
weird, cos thats what wrc was like to me, i mean on ice, and seemed that it turned on a pivot in the middle of the car, might of been the earlier pal code though
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Well, in Easy mode the cars physics are based on WRC1. they are the same so you\'ll notice no change.
in Expert mode they have used a brand new physics engine, simlar to the one they wrote for Prodrive
here in the UK. Prodrive have tested the physics engine and use it for testing and development of their WRC.
I\'m hoping that the demo to be released on the OPSM2 mag to have the difficulty selectable.
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I\'ve seen several movies and both graphics and car models are been really improved. That may be and old ver.
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Ok, the demo I had is in expert mode, would have helped if I had read the back of the packaging...
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I personally will never judge a game based on a demo because there almost alyways unfinised.....i just wait to decide if a like a game with a rental....but then again who the hell cares?
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Ok, I got a free WRC II demo disc from a SONY rep today. Was very excited as I really wanted to try the game out. The demo has three tracks playable, Italy, Cyprus and Monnaco, with two cars, the 206 and some other ugly green and white thing.
Anyways, I first played Italy. Graphics have not really been improved upon from WRC. I was actually really surprised that it looked so similar (it looks very different to those screens floating around). Maybe this is a really, really old build??? Anyways, the disappointing bit was when I actually went and raced. The car is so light and floaty its not funny, I was actually driving up walls and embankments, as if I was in some monster truck. The car also severly oversteers, almost to the point where you\'ve done a 120 degree turn and almost facing the wrong way.
The demo was extremely dissapointing. I am gonna get CM3 to see how it fairs, but its looking alot better then WRC II.
I am not sure if this is the same demo as the OPSM UK one.
If anyone has any questions, just ask. I doubt I will play it again though...
I have also now played the demo Racer, and I agree with you 100%, the handling in atrocious and it is impossible to keep the car in a straight line. All I seem to do is zigzag across the road a few times until I crash. Also you can spin 180 degrees at 80mph just by turing the wheel.
Having also played a demo of CMR3 I can tell you that the cars seem like they are on rails in this game compared to WRCII, and the CMR3 demo in on ice and snow!
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I\'ll be trying to find the OPSM2 mag today. if i get hold of it i\'ll post my honest opinions and findings after playing both
demos for some considerable time... I\'ll post as soon as i have played the demos.
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got 9/10 i think in ops2 mag, just got it like 10 minsa ago
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Right iv\'e played both demos over the last 2 days and quite enjoyed it.
CMR3 feels very arcadish compared to WRC2, thats not to mean that CMR3 is easier, CMR3 was a tough game.
i think that CMR3 is easier to get into, whilst WRC2 is a lot tougher. the handling takes a lot more getting used to.
There are lots of things that WRC2 has done to correct previous problems with WRC1, Load times are far quicker,
The graphics have gone up a notch (the replays are ace), and the presentation is excelent but there is something
that i cant quite put my finger on. The handling is certainly different but the sensitivity of the dual shock 2
makes it very hard to play the game and make it feel authentic. i suppose a steering wheel would make this game far
better. If evolution studios turns down the sensitivity in the final version then i\'ll be happy. i am certainly not going to
go straight out and buy WRC2 as it is very simlar to WRC1. i\'ll rent it first and see if the handling problem has been
addressed. i think it\'s the same demo as Racer has played, 3 stages with either the Purgeot 206 of Richard Burns or
the Skoda Octavia of Kenith Errikson. the 206 is set to a higher difficulty setting that the Octavia, you can tell this by how
the cars handle. the inside view on the 206 is also further back than in the Octavia. viewing is hampered serverley in
the 206 so on hilly stages you\'ll need to use an external camera. i must say, i think the issue of weight of the cars has been
addressed and they feel a lot better than last years effort and the cars look brilliant, proportions are spot on and you
can tell where all those extra polygons have gone. the damage model is there but i think that the difficulty on the 206
hasn\'t been set to maximum (i think Extreme is a game mode) as your car can take some severe hits and come away ok.
i also havn\'t had any tire blowouts which leads me to believe that the 206 has been set to the intermediate level.
remember, evo studios said that there were 3 difficulty settings, each had a different physics engine. i think that the 206
in the game is using a hybrid of WRC1 physics and the new physics coded for WRC2. if thats so, then i\'m looking
forward to the Extreme mode, the cars will probably act a bit more lifelike, like i said. i\'ll rent it first to see if thats
the case.. overall, i love it.. but not enough to warrant £40 in its current demo-form... i hope that this demo is an early build.
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wow, thanks for clearing that up StanZo. You just brought my hopes back up and am looking all the more forward to playing this game (probably rental first). :)
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The game is only 30 notes, I\'m getting it because I didn\'t get last years game and CMR2 on PSone is better than CMR3 on PS2 so this looks like the only worth while rally game on PS2.
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id say the cars are way to twitchy on wrc2, they got rid of the car on a axis thing, but the back comes out way to quickly... im dissapointed with both of these
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This was posted on the WRC boards.
The demo has been well received but for those of you a bit concerned about the handling... The final version has much better handling, indeed, the demo is cringed at by many within Evolution. The demo is old, much older than review code which in turn is inferior to the final code.
When comparing WRC II with CMR3 in magazine reviews remember that CMR3 was reviewed as finished code, WRC II was still a month from completion. The handling in the final version is much improved as are the graphics, the draw distance and various spot effects.
Be assured, this is a huge improvement on WRC 1 and leaves Colin3 in its dust. Claims by certain magazines that CMR3 has better graphics, sound and gameplay are entirely unfounded. This is, quite simply, the rally game to own!!!
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CM3 had terrible graphics, geez.
Anyone know if Evolution has done volumetric dust effects or the rain effect? Any rip offs?
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that\'s great news. you\'re the man Fast. :cool: