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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: Living-In-Clip on November 02, 2002, 08:13:21 AM
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Well, its offical...I hate Sony more than ever. The one original and fun game series that they had Mark of Kri, they have gave the axe to. The series which was originally planned to be a trilogy will now just be one lone game, due to "lagging sales"..
It amazes me.They cancel Mark of Kri\'s sequel yet plan a sequel to The Getaway, a game they can\'t even get out the friggin\' door.
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Not to be a Sony basher, but if it is not quick high sales they don\'t seem to bother with it. Mark of Kri was one of the few games I enjoyed this year. I loved the targeting system.
Also I doubt we see the getaway 2 if 1 does poorly. IMHO.
Perhaps another developer will take what was started there, and carry on the good work?
I apologize if I am come across as a Sony Basher. It is not the case. I am at a point that I am becoming overly jaded, and bash all consoles equally. It is too mainstream at this point, and that allows for little true innovation like the Mark of Kri.
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They never really backed the game with lots of advertising/promotions etc. The series was doomed from the beggining.
Astro
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Amen. Yet, they will continue to throw money into the money pit known as \'The Getaway\'. Or make a sequel to \'Dark Cloud\'. I just don\'t understand Sony\'s moronic philopshy on what should get a sequel and what shouldn\'t.
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They never really backed the game with lots of advertising/promotions etc. The series was doomed from the beggining.
Doomed? From a sales standpoint, it actually gave Sony some black sales that will help with the company later. As for the Getaway, Sony\'s already said that with the money put into it, the game can NEVER have any black sales whatsoever. It\'ll constantly be in the red and Sony already said this and yet, they want a sequel? If it was guaranteed to sell like Vice City, maybe, JUST MAYBE, I\'d see this as a brilliant decision, but, it won\'t and that\'s too bad for Sony.
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I don\'t think a sequel for The Getaway is a bad business decision. They already have the engine and such, so making a sequel wouldn\'t be anywhere as expensive and timeconsuming as making The Getaway in the first place (like GTA: Vice City) - ie. a sequel is where Sony\'s gonna make some money on the series. Besides, it\'s a flagship title for Sony hence the reason they\'re willing to make a game that\'ll not turn in a profit in the short run.
And trust me, I\'m pretty sure The Getaway will sell like hotcakes.
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Exactly, Ryu. Sony is banking on \'The Getaway\' making GTA:Vice City sells, due to them being similiar, but there is no way it will bring that amount of money or sales in.
Take for example Ico though - it didn\'t sell that much either, yet a sequel is going ahead.
Personally, I just think it is a dissapointing bit of news. Mark of Kri was one of the truly enjoyable games this generation and could of been a great series, if Sony would of just dumped the money into it. Kinda like a sequel to the 32-bit great Warhawk..Another game forgotten by Sony.
*sigh*
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Sony choose this for a reason whatever that is
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Originally posted by Ryu
Doomed? From a sales standpoint, it actually gave Sony some black sales that will help with the company later. As for the Getaway, Sony\'s already said that with the money put into it, the game can NEVER have any black sales whatsoever. It\'ll constantly be in the red and Sony already said this and yet, they want a sequel? If it was guaranteed to sell like Vice City, maybe, JUST MAYBE, I\'d see this as a brilliant decision, but, it won\'t and that\'s too bad for Sony.
They are also planning on backing The Getaway with their largest Marketing plan ever, I believe.
Crazy people :)
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Looks like they are throwing all their money into the Getaway and have none left over for other games. Such is life.
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I think that the getaway sequal will sell more than a mark of kri sequal.I\'d say that they would be silly to not to try to cash in on the GTA band wagon.
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Sony choose this for a reason whatever that is
Yeah, the reason being is because Sony is idiots and ran by idiots. They can\'t make a system that doesn\'t break down and when ever they have the chance for a decent franchise, they usually pass it up. WarHawk? Now Mark of Kri. Yet they will churn out crap like NFL Gameday, Dark Cloud and the overly expensive money pit known as \'The Getaway\'.
As for their excuse on "lagging sales", it couldn\'t of sold less than Ico - which was a commercial daister, yet there is a sequel goin\' ahead on that.
Yeah, great logic on Sony\'s part.
/me is upset. More so than usual. Mark of Kri was one of the few games this generation that he has enjoyed and it screamed for a sequel..
:(
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Well, its offical...I hate Sony more than ever. The one original and fun game series that they had Mark of Kri, they have gave the axe to. The series which was originally planned to be a trilogy will now just be one lone game, due to "lagging sales"..
It amazes me.They cancel Mark of Kri\'s sequel yet plan a sequel to The Getaway, a game they can\'t even get out the friggin\' door.
Sony\'s awesome... #1 in my book
If Mark of Kri didn\'t sell then why should they make a 2nd and a third.... just because you like it ?
heck it sucks, and I feel your pain, but I\'m ROTFLMAO at anyone who hates Sony for any reason
they\'re the ones pumping billions of dollars into the industry. there the reason there are so many 3rd party developers out there making games for consoles.
but oh well, people alwasy find a reason to hate the top dog...
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Dumb logic.
There was plenty of 3rd party developers like Capcom, Enix and Konami making plenty of money before Sony.
The point was that Sony is killing a possible great franchise, yet they will put crap out like NFL Gameday and throw money into something that won\'t even bring in any profits. It\'s simply stupid.
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As for TheGetaway being a money pit, I thought we already touched on the different ways it can be benefitical for Sony?
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This sucks.. Mark of Kri looks like a fun game (I havent tried it yet) .. :(
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LIC, I have never even heard of that game your carrying on about, and I guarentee 80% of the other \'casual\' gamers like myself haven\'t either.
SONY are here to make money, there\'s no denying it. Why spend 2-10 million making a game that may not sell enough to turn profit? Games are getting very, very expensive to make these days.
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ddaryl summed it up pretty damn nice: "If Mark of Kri didn\'t sell then why should they make a 2nd and a third.... just because you like it ?"
It hurts I know, but bashing on other games [The Getaway] for no good reason isn\'t going to make them make a sequal either. Sony aren\'t idiots and they know exactly why their making a sequal of the Getaway and not Mark of Kri...
Still sucks though... as the game was quite something special. :(
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L-I-C buy a million copies of Kri.U ll get a sequel:D
BTW:Mark of Kri is less known than ICO and it would have been even dumber if after all the money spent all the research and results done for Getaway were totally ignored and thrown away.
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Mark of Kri had potential but ultimately was dissapointing. It\'s just way too short!!! The stealth aspects are fun as well as the hack and slash and there\'s some added depth with the reversal move but you can pretty much unlock everything in 5 days or less. I like how if you get discovered u dont have to do everything all over again like in so many stealth games. Rau can actually defend himself pretty well and has some good combos. The stealth/hack and slash gameplay definitely could\'ve been explored further in a sequel. As it is is a great rental!
Astro
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That is why the game needs a sequel. It could be a top franchise if Sony would of devoted more money to the promotion of the first game and then R&D on the sequel.
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All I can say is write some hate mail to them.
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Actually u think Sony is great.It delivered a game u liked so much u desperately need a sequel
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Techincally, Unicorn, you are right to a degree. I loved \'Mark of Kri , so much that I got on the boards and did nothing but praise the game to highest degree, hoping that people would pick up on it. Magazines and ezine\'s did the same thing. I was actually amazed that a Sony first party game was so polished and enjoyable, but what happened? Sony turned their back on fans - which Mark of Kri had plenty of.
Sony complains about lagging sales , but who is to blame? Sony is the only one to blame. There was no promotion for the game what so ever. It was so bad that one of the programmers for the game had to register on GameFaq\'s.com, prove that he indeed was part of the development team and do his own personal promotions for the game on the GameFaq\'s.com Mark of Kri board. So, who do you blame for the lagging sales? You blame the publisher - Sony! If Sony would get their heads out of their ass, they would notice that Mark of Kri did have a fanbase and could of been a money making franchise with alittle more promotion and exploration in the game engine.
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What can I say?
If they did promote mark of kri and had great sales and then decided for a sequel it could have made it a hit which equals to profits and goodwill from Sony\'s development team\'s creativity....First time I hear about Sony ignoring one of its games so much that one of the programmers had to register on GameFaq\'s.com, prove that he indeed was part of the development team and do his own personal promotions for the game on the GameFaq\'s.com Mark of Kri board.Ahm...you are kind of right.
I find it strange.Perhaps Sony had some reasons for not promoting it.:confused:Perhaps to busy into promoting The Getaway..
U know I think its risky for Sony to take their eyes away from The Getaway and start caring about other games if so much money are being spent for it.
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I find it strange.Perhaps Sony had some reasons for not promoting it.Perhaps to busy into promoting The Getaway..
U know I think its risky for Sony to take their eyes away from The Getaway and start caring about other games if so much money are being spent for it.
They are being developed by separate studio\'s. The Getaway is being made by SCE Studio Soho, while Mark of Kri was by SCE Studio San Francisco (I belive). Budget money aside, it\'s hardly as if their attention was diverted from Mark of Kri to The Getaway.
Perhaps Studio San Francisco will begin work on a different game now.
\'Tis sad to see great (Although I haven\'t played it) games getting ignored, and thus, not receiving a sequal.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Well, its offical...I hate Sony more than ever. The one original and fun game series that they had Mark of Kri, they have gave the axe to. The series which was originally planned to be a trilogy will now just be one lone game, due to "lagging sales"..
It amazes me.They cancel Mark of Kri\'s sequel yet plan a sequel to The Getaway, a game they can\'t even get out the friggin\' door.
cheer up
its still to get a PAL release and they might change their minds
Also your not alone in thinking that The Getaway smells like pee pee and don\'t even deserve a sequal.
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Its not Sony that should be blamed, its casual gamers who choose not to spend $55 on a game they are not sure they will like, and therefore never try it
This is the bane of the hardcore gamer, who demands much more from a game
its the casual gamer that drives the industry, and that will never change
Sony sells a ton of machines and many developers make money on Sony consoles.
Without Sony would GTA ever really materialized last generation. Rockstar would have never been capable or allowed to produce GTA on the N64
so for all the bad stuff that people bitch about with Sony, there is alot of good as well
Sony pumps out some great games, unfortunatley not all of them are good, and not all of them ar what we really want
I\'m still waiting for the ultimate Action Strategy RPG in full 3D with a western style graphically and storywise set in a futuristic space setting
so imagine my disspointment.
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its still to get a PAL release and they might change their minds
This only proves my point even more so! Sony has yet to release this game in the UK, therefor they have no clue on the sales it would bring in . Release it in all the countries , then decide. But, no, that\'d make to much sense.
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Originally posted by ddaryl
Its not Sony that should be blamed, its casual gamers who choose not to spend $55 on a game they are not sure they will like, and therefore never try it
Unfortunately in those casual gamers , people that dont have enough money to risk it are included.
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We need more cool games like Mark Of Kri and less crap like the Army Men games! LIC, I feel your pain, this is sad news. This could have been a great franchise for Sony, if they put the effort to promote the game. Well, time to get my ass kicked in Contra!
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You know, I wasn\'t really really that excited about the Getaway....the newer screen shots doesn\'t looks that hot anymore..
But then again, I\'m probably the only person on this board that hates GTA.
Anyone who hates GTA drop a post here so that I won\'t feel so lonely... :)
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Amen. Yet, they will continue to throw money into the money pit known as \'The Getaway\'. Or make a sequel to \'Dark Cloud\'. I just don\'t understand Sony\'s moronic philopshy on what should get a sequel and what shouldn\'t.
Ahem. Dark Cloud was a greatest hit and well, mark of kri wasnt, (sorry if anybody said this already). I havent played mok yet but i plan on doing so. DC was also said to be the "zelda killer" and thus brought on lots of publicity. Why mok didnt do so well is beyond me. The getaway has had its fair share of glory before its release due to its gta like gameplay and its stunning graph-x. Maybe sony used mok as an expirement, but they also developed the game themselves so technically it would be more money to make a sequel, (i think). SOHO studios is in charge of this beauty and im guessing that do to the success of the gta series sony beleives that success is inevitable for this gta like game.
Oh well.
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Paul - it\'s okay, I almost hate the GTA series. I slightly (very slightly) enjoy Vice City due to the 80\'s settings. Other than that, I detest the series.
As for MoK doin\' bad, it is because Sony was never commited to the project / franchise. They done everthing half-assed. Hell, does anyone even really remember any coverage of the game while it was in development? I don\'t . After it was released Sony conitnued to ignore it.
DC was crap - but they wanted a Zelda clone , so they commited to that. The Getaway may end up being crap, but they want a GTA clone - so they\'re commited to that. I guess what we can say is , Sony is commited to making quick cash in\'s and clones of other games. Brilliant Sony, simply f**kin\' brilliant.
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As for MoK doin\' bad, it is because Sony was never commited to the project / franchise. They done everthing half-assed. Hell, does anyone even really remember any coverage of the game while it was in development? I don\'t . After it was released Sony conitnued to ignore it.
Why would they plan the series into being a trilogy (and even go as far as pattenting the Battle system) if they weren\'t committed?
But on the other hand, why wouldn\'t they advertise it (apart from that annoying add at IGN that I always get) if they were committed?
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DC was crap - but they wanted a Zelda clone , so they commited to that. The Getaway may end up being crap, but they want a GTA clone - so they\'re commited to that. I guess what we can say is , Sony is commited to making quick cash in\'s and clones of other games. Brilliant Sony, simply f**kin\' brilliant.
The Getaway was originally being planned as a PSX game, and first got major recognition when it was announced for PS2. Under the guise of a "3D Grand Theft Auto" game. Sony were committed to try and innovate in that sence. It just so happens that GTA3 snuck up and was released (and rushed) before Getaway, and now Vice City has released.
My point is, calling it a GTA clone (at least GTA3 clone) is unfair, as the game\'s premise was conceived well before GTA3 was.