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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: theomen on November 04, 2002, 09:17:16 AM
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Seeing as though this year will be noted for record low voter turnout, who\'s going to vote tomorrow? I am... Well that is if I can get off my lazy ass and go down to the voting place.
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not me
im registered independant
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Ya bums! I\'m not old enough to vote. Next year is mine.
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I\'d like to, but I won\'t be in town. Looks like I\'ll be an absentee.
I read that the Democrats have already highered 10,000 attorneys for disputes stemming from tomorrows election. Oh my..
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1104/p01s01-uspo.html
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I wont be b/c I still havent registered after moving to FL. Hell even if I was, I dont even know what issues they stand on, every politcal commercial is nothing but slander and insults down here.
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didn\'t you have to register to vote when you changed your Drivers License when you moved?
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i dont vote for pretty much the reason luckee just gave.
politics is nothing more than a popularity contest.
just like high school.
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Voting is stupid. It\'s a popularity contest and gives people the illusion that they actual make an effect on things - when in reality, its all about what goes on behind the scenes.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Voting is stupid. It\'s a popularity contest and gives people the illusion that they actual make an effect on things - when in reality, its all about what goes on behind the scenes.
The more you don\'t vote, the more it makes your own words come true. I vote in absolutely every election. Sure, my one single vote may have little value (although more value as fewer vote) but I do it anyway because I can. It\'s the last insignificant ritual that we have to believe there is a tiny semblence of democracy in this country. If we don\'t bother to do even this one little thing, then it\'s sort of a default vote for another system of governance besides democracy. I prefer to retain hope that we can someday create a REAL democracy in this country which has never really had it in the first place. I\'m going to keep voting with that in mind.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
didn\'t you have to register to vote when you changed your Drivers License when you moved?
Who said I changed my DL ;)
Core- When they clean up and have a LEGITIMATE election down here, then I may register in florida. Untill then I doubt I will even want to vote for any of the dolts in government down here.
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I\'ll be casting my vote for Stanley Aronowitz, and the other Greens of New York State.
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I was originally planning on casting my vote for Riordin, for the cali Governor, because of his history of creating more law enforcment jobs. Unfortunetly he didn\'t get the republican nomination, so I honestly don\'t care who wins, Davis or Simon, either way we\'re screwed.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Voting is stupid. It\'s a popularity contest and gives people the illusion that they actual make an effect on things - when in reality, its all about what goes on behind the scenes.
I\'ll give my teachers explanation to that. But if everyone thought that way no opinion would ever get across. :p
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I will but if the person is running un-opposed I dont vote for them.....they only need 1 vote to win! there is a school lvey and another thing on the ballot for taxes.......
I\'ll vote after work
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I\'m not voting. Too young :)
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Originally posted by luckee
Core- When they clean up and have a LEGITIMATE election down here, then I may register in florida. Untill then I doubt I will even want to vote for any of the dolts in government down here.
Of course you\'re excused, Luckee! :D God bless Florida, cause you guys need it. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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Elections are actually today here on Guam. It\'s almost like a spectator sport here and we actually get the whole day off. :D I\'m heading to the polls to vote later this afternoon.
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I vote simply because I feel if you don\'t vote you have no place to bitch about who\'s in office or what laws are/aren\'t passed.
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does Florida even have a democracy still?
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stupid ISP made me double post...
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I\'m not voting since I\'m not a registered. But if I did vote, I would\'ve voted straight Republican. The Democrats in this state truely destroyed this state. Having a Republican in governor won\'t stop the Democrats from trying to pass stupid laws, but certainly will help stem the tide here.
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Originally posted by Simchoy
I\'m not voting since I\'m not a registered. But if I did vote, I would\'ve voted straight Republican. The Democrats in this state truely destroyed this state. Having a Republican in governor won\'t stop the Democrats from trying to pass stupid laws, but certainly will help stem the tide here.
Examples?
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The fact that the Democrats in this state turned a 10 billion surplus to a 50 billion deficit is one thing. MTBE (a chemical supposed to "reduce" air pollution, instead increases it, it pollutes our water, and our gas millage has been reduced) which Dem Davis said he will remove, reversed himself and kept it. Davis handling of the energy crisis wasn\'t that great either (yes I know, can\'t blame "everything" on Davis [engery companies does hold some blame] but with those long term contracts, we now are paying more for energy then on the market). The business climate here is so bad (taxes, enviromental restrictions, and so on), many companies are leaving (and in a recession, that is even worse). And our education, sucks. Sure, we made "marginal" improvment, but at the same time, we also passed English only teaching which all the Democrats fought against.
So, if you haven\'t noticed, I have no love for Democrats here.
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I used to think that everyone should get out and vote. But after thinking about it for a while and listening to the average Joe not understanding any of the issues. I say stay home and don\'t gunk up the works.
Ace
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Exactly. Why should someone who doesn\'t know the issue vote? Low voter turnout isn\'t always a bad thing.
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Dont vote Republician or Democrat.
Seriously.
The two party system is destroying this counrty.
Thier ideals are stagnating and thier rivalry is increasing to such a point where soon nothing at all will get accomplished in congress, because on party COMPLETELY votes one way, and the other votes another.
Get educated, vote for 3rd party candidates.
They are the only way this country is going to become great again.
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Originally posted by Faithdies
Dont vote Republician or Democrat.
Seriously.
The two party system is destroying this counrty.
Thier ideals are stagnating and thier rivalry is increasing to such a point where soon nothing at all will get accomplished in congress, because on party COMPLETELY votes one way, and the other votes another.
Get educated, vote for 3rd party candidates.
They are the only way this country is going to become great again.
I think this man knows what he\'s talking about.
I voted Green.
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I\'m fine with that. Every Green vote takes away a vote from the Democrats. :p
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No it doesn\'t. I wouldn\'t have voted for the Democrats had I not voted for the Greens.
People with that attitude piss me off to no end anyway. The Democrats and Republicans are the SAME PARTY, and I would never vote for either.
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sorry i am a UK resident .. i though the thread title said
Who\'s Vomiting tommorow ?
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I hate people who say the Dems and the Repubs are the same. Democrat and Republicans are NOT the same party. There are MORONS that WANT to make either party the same with the so-called "moderate" crap (i.e. RINO and DINO [Republican in Name Only and Democrat in Name Only] like Riordan, Bruce McPearson in Cali, McCain for Repubs and Gary Condit for the Dems [though like any Dems he is corrupt]) but for the most part they are different parties. Now, I feel that the Republicans are something the Democrats are not. Republicans (with the exception of the RINOs of coarse) still have convictions and are not as politically corrupt as Democrats are. Didn\'t say Republicans were perfect in their postitions, but certainly better then the Dems.
Now, voting Green, I\'d encourage it since at least the Greens are not corrupt as the Democratic Party is now. But, the best they can do now, is weaken the Democratic Party. The hope of coarse is that the Democratic Party listens and become more "liberal" (which I feel is the wrong direction for this country, which is another topic entirely) but in the mean time, it will only mean that it will help Republicans.
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ARe you kidding? I think you have it the other way around. The repubs seem to be the more corrupt ones.
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Oh boy
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Originally posted by Simchoy
I hate people who say the Dems and the Repubs are the same. Democrat and Republicans are NOT the same party. There are MORONS that WANT to make either party the same with the so-called "moderate" crap (i.e. RINO and DINO [Republican in Name Only and Democrat in Name Only] like Riordan, Bruce McPearson in Cali, McCain for Repubs and Gary Condit for the Dems [though like any Dems he is corrupt]) but for the most part they are different parties. Now, I feel that the Republicans are something the Democrats are not. Republicans (with the exception of the RINOs of coarse) still have convictions and are not as politically corrupt as Democrats are. Didn\'t say Republicans were perfect in their postitions, but certainly better then the Dems.
Now, voting Green, I\'d encourage it since at least the Greens are not corrupt as the Democratic Party is now. But, the best they can do now, is weaken the Democratic Party. The hope of coarse is that the Democratic Party listens and become more "liberal" (which I feel is the wrong direction for this country, which is another topic entirely) but in the mean time, it will only mean that it will help Republicans.
Actually, the hope with the Green Party has absolutely nothing to do with making Democrats more liberal. Not from my view of it at least.
And yes, Republicans are by far the most corrupt ones. I\'d bet that for every corrupt practice you can name during all 8 years of the Clinton Administration, I can name 2 from the 2 years of the current Bush administration. Republicans are by far the more corrupt ones.
But yes, they are the same party. The party of rich America. Both parties are controlled by the rich, and serve the rich. That\'s the way it has always been, and the way it always will be if something doesn\'t change.
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I agree that rich organizations and so forth have controlled the parties. And in a way, I agree with you on that point. That being said, the Republican Party has ALWAYS been the party supported by the rich people/corperations since, Republicans believe in less government (granted, not in all places [I\'m more of a Libertarian then a Republican]) espeically when it comes to taxes and regulations. True, that isn\'t always a good thing. And yes, they don\'t believe in small government across about especially the "Religious Right". I have some VERY sharp dissagreements with the "Religious Right" and the moralist of the party, but not everyone in the party is like them.
Unlike the Democrats though who, try and pass themselves as the party of the "little" people. They are supported by the unions, environmentalist, teachers, limosine liberals, and so on who are really trying to pass an agenda that doesn\'t help the very thing they are supposed to stand for. As for corruption, Recently, they have 10,000 lawyers to make sure that the votes go their way...ummmmmm...I mean that the votes are counted correctly. In New Jersey, Democrats completely disregared the law and sent in Frank Lautenburg to replace Torricelli desite the fact that the LAW stated that it was too late to replace the candidate. Also, the many unheard of fraud by dead voters and ballots floating in the San Francisco Bay, and the election debaucle in Florida tells me that the Democrats are very corrupt.
Now, I never said Republicans were innocent and always good (Richard Nixion is a good and obvious example). Just that in terms of corruption, at least you know what the Republican Party stands for. Democratic Party, is all over the place.
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People that swing towards being a democrat say Republicans are more corupt. And the switch with republicans saying the democrats are. Isn\'t that obvious enough.
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I think the Florida situation showed that the Republicans were corrupt. However, what I think is even worse is that both sides took that situation, which was a bad one, no matter how you look at it, and tried to play off of it to get more support, instead of trying to fix the situation and make sure that it didn\'t happen again.
Yes, the Democrats do try to play themselves as the common man\'s party. No, they aren\'t that...far from it actually. But at least they are closer to it than the Republicans are. I\'d rather vote for someone who is all over the place than someone who is steadily more conservative. Then again, to be honest, I don\'t think I\'d ever vote for either.
Both parties are corrupt, neither speaks for the people. I just wish that more people would see this, and have more faith in third party candidates, so that other views can be heard, and something can be changed.
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What do you think about the Democrats using someones death for more party support?
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I think that anyone high up in either party would sell their mother for support.
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God damn, let\'s face it, THEY\'RE ALL CORRUPT!
You can\'t say that one group is bad, and another is good. Their are good people in every party, and bad ones in there also. It\'s just stupid to think that one is inherently good, and another inherently evil.
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Every Green I have met is not corrupt. Hell, look at Nader\'s most recent book title: How to tell the truth, and still run for president. Oh, and Omen, if you want to fill something in for that "?" in you sig, you can go ahead and put the word "lost" there.
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im from illinois and i refuse to vote it seems like every person running for every office has had criminal charges brought against them at one time or another besides all the chicago races are fixed by the mayor it the town that coined the phrase "vote early,vote often"
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Originally posted by Simchoy
I\'m fine with that. Every Green vote takes away a vote from the Democrats. :p
Yes! More power to the Green Party. :laughing:
It looks like we are all little more Republican this morning in these United States.
Ace
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Yup. I\'m glad Republicans have won back the Senate, and kept the house. :D Again, never said Republicans is a great party (I prefer 3rd party too, but until they can somehow become more prominet, its currently the lesser of two evils for me [and the Republican Party to me is the EXTREMELY lesser of two evils]). Unforetuently, in California, people here basically said to themselves "hey, lets screw ourselves! Lets have higher taxes and more spending when we are already in deficit" and elected all Democrats in every State offices. :mad:
BTW, unlike the National Government, we have a state law that bars us from going into deficits. Democrat\'s plan to solve this is more taxes (when we already have one of the HIGHEST taxes in the nation already. More taxes will just force people out of the state and revenue will go even FUTHER down) and our borrowing rating is already in the crappers. All well, 4-more years of this, and MAYBE people here in California would be ready for a change.
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Move to Ohio, where I didn\'t see one Democrat win. :)
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Hehehe. Yeah, I think many Californinans are thinking of moving to another state.
Though I\'m kinda stuck here in California (college, no money, no education to get a decent job anywhere yet) and this is still my home. Its just unfortunete that it will be another 4 years (or 2 if people wise up by the next Presidential Election and vote Republicans to contain the overwhelming Democratic majority here in the state) my family and I have to suffer (not that my family cares, most are Democratic Liberals :hold: ).
BTW, looking at this map, this state would\'ve been Republican if it wasn\'t for LA and the northern coastal area (most prominately the San Francisco Bay Area, where I live when I\'m not in college).
(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvote2002.ss.ca.gov%2FReturns%2Fgov%2FmapB021106073929.gif&hash=3b014871159293be120d30f6ad358a1aa7027ee6)
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Originally posted by Ace
Yes! More power to the Green Party. :laughing:
It looks like we are all little more Republican this morning in these United States.
Ace
Not where I live we aren\'t. All I heard today was "we\'re ****ed" and "the next two years are gonna suck". Looks like I live in one of the more intelligent parts of the country.
And man, looking at that map, California rules. The Green there got over 5%.
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Originally posted by Jar O Pickles
im from illinois and i refuse to vote it seems like every person running for every office has had criminal charges brought against them at one time or another besides all the chicago races are fixed by the mayor it the town that coined the phrase "vote early,vote often"
Dont you go bad mouthing Daley now :) WHile I believe him to be one dirty duck, can you not agree that he has done great things for the city since his election in in th early 90\'s?
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So instead of moderate republicians and Democrats, you want RADICAL republicians and Democrats. Being a zealot about anything just accomplish anything but deaths. Look at ANY country in history where the extreme right or left has held sway and youll see genocide, oppression and brutality, and unfortunately, If this country was run by nothing but Radical republicians, then I can assure there would be such things. For example, have you ever seen that preacher that goes to homosexual funerals with a group of followers and screams,"God took your child as punishment!", and shit like that.
**** radicals. They shouldnt exist, there whole existence negates peaceful society.