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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: jm on November 16, 2002, 12:18:41 PM
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Well it\'s that time again. Another month, another PPV. Before I begin in this thread, I\'d like to address something that somewhat, bothered me. Apparently Cerberus doesn\'t think wrestling is considered a "sport."
Cerberus, for your information, wrestling happens to be one of the toughest things to train for, if not, thee hardest thing to train for. Amateur wrestling is a sport my friend. Not only does it require a strong frame, but balance, agility, self awareness, and a good understanding of yourself. What distinguishes amateur wrestling from every other sport, is that you are responsible for your success. You are responsible for the grief of your loss, or the glamour of your success.
Amateur wrestling isn\'t for everyone. If you can\'t be grown up enough to set aside your immaturity, then the sport isn\'t for you. If you can\'t handle certain tie ups, or people sweating all over you, or you tasting your own blood (or someone elses for that manner) this sport isn\'t for you.
The sport is much more viggerous than football, too. The training involved to be an elite wrestling astronomical. You\'d be sick to your stomach on some of the things that we do to get ourselves to the condition we need to be in, as well as strength training. Wrestling "live" in practice is one of the most tiring things we do.
Even though it\'s only yourself and your opponent on the mat, there is a team thing involved within the sport. That\'s in practice. Each person on the team pushes people far beyond the limits of what their pain limit is, their mental and emotional limit is to become the absolute best. Each team player takes what he has learned and uses it out on the mat.
So the next time you say wrestling isn\'t a real sport, think twice my friend for you don\'t know your left from your right. Just because the professional side of it isn\'t as glamerous as others doesn\'t exclude it as being a real sport.
Survivor Series
I\'m really disappointed on how the WWE Title between Brock Lesnar and Big Show has developed. I was really looking foward to Brock revealing his Shooting Star Press to the Big Show, or possibly a F-5, but that all is dimished now. Thanks to the "big clump" Lesnar has a cracked rip plus some bruised ones. Now after Smackdown, Big Show is not injured. I have a feeling the match is going to be very slow, disappointing, and short. Right now, lots of rumors are going around, Lesnar is going to loose his title to Big Show and take 6-8 weeks off to nurse his injury. Instead of showcasing Brock\'s incredible strength, now they are going to wind up giving someone who doesn\'t even deserve a main event spot the title.
The Elimination Chamber is looking very solid. The structure itself looks very... interesting. It\'s going to be interesting how the superstars are going to work the match. If HHH retains his title, I\'m through with watching RAW. I hope Scott Steiner interupts that match and lets someone else have the title. I\'m in favor for HBK or Booker T winning the title.
Anybody else willing to break down their thoughts on events of this PPV, feel free.
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Originally posted by jm
Well it\'s that time again. Another month, another PPV. Before I begin in this thread, I\'d like to address something that somewhat, bothered me. Apparently Cerberus doesn\'t think wrestling is considered a "sport."
Cerberus, for your information, wrestling happens to be one of the toughest things to train for, if not, thee hardest thing to train for. Amateur wrestling is a sport my friend. Not only does it require a strong frame, but balance, agility, self awareness, and a good understanding of yourself. What distinguishes amateur wrestling from every other sport, is that you are responsible for your success. You are responsible for the grief of your loss, or the glamour of your success.
Amateur wrestling isn\'t for everyone. If you can\'t be grown up enough to set aside your immaturity, then the sport isn\'t for you. If you can\'t handle certain tie ups, or people sweating all over you, or you tasting your own blood (or someone elses for that manner) this sport isn\'t for you.
The sport is much more viggerous than football, too. The training involved to be an elite wrestling astronomical. You\'d be sick to your stomach on some of the things that we do to get ourselves to the condition we need to be in, as well as strength training. Wrestling "live" in practice is one of the most tiring things we do.
Even though it\'s only yourself and your opponent on the mat, there is a team thing involved within the sport. That\'s in practice. Each person on the team pushes people far beyond the limits of what their pain limit is, their mental and emotional limit is to become the absolute best. Each team player takes what he has learned and uses it out on the mat.
So the next time you say wrestling isn\'t a real sport, think twice my friend for you don\'t know your left from your right. Just because the professional side of it isn\'t as glamerous as others doesn\'t exclude it as being a real sport.
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It isnt a sport- its all fake, im sure it cant be that hard to punch, jump and kick. I seriously, believe it is not a sport, its just a bunch of half-naked men in tight clothing jumping on eachother. Where is the talent in that? Hey racer, ever thought of taking up pro wrestling? :D
BTW: why do they always stomp their feet when they punch?
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^ I\'m with this guy :D Especially with the Racer part :)
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here I go again!!!!!!!!! would you tell Daren Drozdov it is fake......he is in a wheelchair.......or owen hart when you die .........maybe you wont see him! how can you call it fake......Scripted yes....Fake no...........
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Certain things are fake. If you repeatedly punch someone in the nose, his face would be bashed in. That could be fake. When they throw people on the ground and jump, that\'s not too fake.
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Chair shots to the head are certainly not fake. Not to mention faces getting split open on steel cages.
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You are classifying "wrestling" in general in the same category as amateur wrestling. Amateur and professional wrestling are 2 entirely different things.
Professional wrestling indeed is scripted, but in no way is it totaly fake. You think the bumps, and injuries, the risks, the blood aren\'t real?
I\'d love for you to walk away from a F-5 without a stiff back, or go through a table, or jumping from top rope onto the mat and walk away without pain.
Professional wrestling is entertainment, true, but it is very "real" entertainment.
Don\'t classify amateur wrestling with professional wrestling, because it is 2 entirely different things.
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Originally posted by KillaX
here I go again!!!!!!!!! would you tell Daren Drozdov it is fake......he is in a wheelchair.......or owen hart when you die .........maybe you wont see him! how can you call it fake......Scripted yes....Fake no...........
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I can\'t believe you said Owen Hart,didn\'t he die cause he didn\'t hook up his saftey harness? mmmm and who the hell is Drozdov?
By the way jm love your pic.
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Originally posted by Skyrider666
I can\'t believe you said Owen Hart,didn\'t he die cause he didn\'t hook up his saftey harness? mmmm and who the hell is Drozdov?
By the way jm love your pic.
ok owen was a mess up......Drozdov WWE name is/was Puke...he played football and puked at the line of scrimmage and the name went with him to the WWE
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It annoys me when people call it fake. Athletics are my specialty, I try to stay in absolute perfect physical condition, and those wrestlers put me to shame. How many 300lb football players can do a back flip, or hell even a kip up? How many people can fly off a 20\' ladder through a table, and be ready to do it again the next night? How many people can pull of the moves that the lucha libre\'s can do?
I really think all these wrestling bashers do so because of lack of familiarity with the product. it\'s one thing to argue that it\'s boring, or stupid, but to question the ability these men have is just assenine
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isnt raws 500th episode coming up here in the next 2 weeks or so? I hope the merge the shows on that episode....I dont think vince ca admit that it failed.......raws ratings have plummeted to a 3.1 (last time it was that low was 1997) while Smackdowns have been going up or constant.....something needs to be done to stop the bleeding and the only way that I see anything hapening is get better stars on raw or merge them back.
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Originally posted by Kurt Angle
Chair shots to the head are certainly not fake. Not to mention faces getting split open on steel cages.
Im not getting into the whole sport or not thing since I believe it to be one. I do have to address the above comment though.
Those are not a true steel folding chair you or I are so familiar with. Faces getting busted open are usually due to the wrestlers cutting themselves slightly the day b4. SO naturally when that area is aggriivated, it begins to bleed again.
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Professional wrestling is entertainment, not a sport. There is no competition. The entertainment is real. The injuries are real, and the risk is real. These people put their lives on the line into entertaining you the fans.
Amateur wrestling is a sport, totaly different than professional wrestling.
RAW\'s 500th episode has to go against Monday Night football\'s 500th episode, also. Same day. That\'s going to be a bloody fight.
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actually no, I dont think it is due to when raw was on USA they always pre-empted raw with *cough* Tennis*Cough* so RAws is I think 2 weeks after I beleive.
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to save new thread can i post the results here?????
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Sure.
My info might be a little off, I just remember Monday Night Football also has it\'s 500th episode soon too, sometime in December, as well as RAW.
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Actually, the 500th MNF was last week.
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whyarent you going JM??? it is at MSG.
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Originally posted by Kurt Angle
Chair shots to the head are certainly not fake. Not to mention faces getting split open on steel cages.
You make it seem like everyone just wants to be a wrestler :rolleyes:
If you think it isnt fake:
How does it classify itself as a sport? Beating up eachother isnt hardly "sporty".
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I miht as well post the Pre-Survivor series match too: it is Golddust and Hurricane VS Regal and Storm.
Here are the Survivor series Matches:
Elimination Chamber match:
HHH VS RVD VS Shawn Michaels VS kane VS Jericho VS Booker T
WWE (Smackdown Tag Belts) Chamapionship match:
Triple threat Elimination match: Edge and Mysterio (c) VS Gurerros VS Angle and Beniot
WWE Womens Hardcore Match: Trish VS Victoria
6-Man tag Team Tables Match: Jeff Hardy/Dudleys VS 3 Minute warning (Rosey/Jamal and Rico)
Cruiserweight Championship: Jamie Noble (C) VS Kidman
The Smackdown Championship: Brock VS Big Show
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in the Pre-Smackdown (HEAT) match Regal and Strorm Beat Golddust and the Hurricane......at the end TOmmy dreamer comes in and cleans house with his Singapore cane!
No elaborate entry way it is the normal enrty-way at the garden but there is a dual-swinging door that inmagaes can be put on
Survivor series Starts in in less than 5 mins
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Match #1 6-man Tables Match Dudleys/Jeff hardy VS 3 Minute Warning
Match rules: all 3 men must be put through tables before the other does
Order of elimination: Spike Dudley, Rosie,Jeff Hardy, Jamal, Rico!
Winner is Spike/Jeff and BuhBuh Ray!
D-VON helps Buhbuh Ray...Me thinks he is raw now!
to the World for the Saliva song "always" which is the Survivor series song.
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Backstage- RVD warming up
Match #2 Cruiserweight Championship Kidman VS Jamie Noble/w Nidia (C)
New Cruiserweight champ Billy Kidman! with a Shooting Star Press!
Great MAtch alot of High-Flying and High-Spots
Back Stage- angle and Beniot talking about the Cruiserweight match and saying that they can win the tag belts and they get in an argument then angle gets all buddy buddy with beniot again like on smackdown......ahhhhhhhh
Backstage- Jericho warming up, F-view in Psycho Victorias dressing room and she has totally lost it!
History behind the Victoria VS Trish Feud
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Match #3 Womens Championship (Hardcore Rules) Trish VS Victoria
Your winner and NEW Womens Champ Victoria By Pinfall
Victoria was VERY dominant!
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Backstage-Booker T Warming up
Bichoff interview about the elimination chamber, big show talks to bichoff
Heyman/Lesnar segment heyman nervous about brocks match
Match #4 WWE Championship (Smackdown) Big Show VS Brock Lesnar (C)
Bug show is your new Champ! 3/3 so far on title changes and Heyman screws Lesnar and is now Shows manager! Brock will be out atleast 6 weeks with an injury...I saw this coming!
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he needs to load back up with steroids. Since you can\'t really wrestle during the loading, because they can\'t devote enough time to training while on the road, he\'ll take this \'injury time\'.
As for the manager changes, if you didn\'t see this coming you must be mildly retarded.
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Match #5 out of 6
Triple threat Tag MAtch for the WWE tag Championship (elimination match)
Edge/Mysterio VS Angle/beniot VS Eddy & Chavo Guerrero
I see the titles changing hands due to Mysterio going in for Knee surgery on december 5th
Al and Dawn-Marie in the Audience
Beniot/Angle Eliminated first
4 Title Changes! the Gureerros are the new WWE Tag Champs!
lots of high flying and big moves!
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next match is the LAST Match of the Night the Elimination Chamber!
Chris Nowinski coming to ringside.......him as Filler......MAtt HArdy comes out and helps Nowinski pick on the New york fans....basis Heel stuff
Steiner comes in and Destroys them BOTH!!!!! the fans were on their feet!
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Steiner is the guy with big arms, right?
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yeah, the \'Roid Monster
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I saw it coming a MILE away!
Match #6 is up next!
Oh GOD! Get Well Randy orton bit goes right over an interview! he is ONE reason why RAW\'s rating is so low HE SUX!
Can all 5 Titles Change hands???? I think they will.....I am Tired of HHH with the belt...he has too much power backstage because he is dating the boss\'s daughter!
the Cage is AWESOME! the Walls are chain and there are 4 chambers where the first 4 stars will be until they are let out..and every 5 minutes one chamber will be opened. it is over when ONE IS LEFT STANDING! the floor of the chamber is at ring level!
In the cages are: Jericho, Booker T, Kane and HBK
SO it will be HHH VS RVD to start
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I dunno, still sounds retarded.
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1st out is Jericho! 3 men in the ring!
2nd out is Booker T! 4 men in the ring!
RVD eliminated first!
3rd out is KANE! 4 men in the ring
Booker T Eliminated 2nd!
Last out is HBK!
HBK with Fists of Fury!
Kane is cleaning house!
KAne is Eliminted 3rd! and took all 3 of the other competiors finishing moves!
3 men left! HBK, Jericho, and HHH
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Major Double-teaming on HBK by HHH and Jericho
Everyone is Bloody!
Jericho is #4!
Down to HBK and HHH
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so far no surprises, I expected HHH to be the final two.
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they are Both Bloody as hell!
this is one HELL of a MAtch!
HBK WINS! all 5 TITLES CHANGE HANDS! HBK is the new Champ!
RVD dominted HHH in the first 4 minutes!
I would rate this PPV a 4 out of 5 the only thing that drug it down was the Doofus doing his i\'m injured and you can e-mail me bit.......
Good Night folks that is the end of the PPV!
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fake or not, wrestling is ghey
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stay the f*ck out of the topic. This is not a debate about wrestling n00b.
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Init, some little nOOb ass mother ****er trying to act hard by misspelling gay.
Overall the PPV was ****ing great, one of the best in a long time.
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Originally posted by Heat
Init, some little nOOb ass mother ****er trying to act hard by misspelling gay.
Overall the PPV was ****ing great, one of the best in a long time.
One: how is he "trying to act hard" b/c he spells gay, ghey?
hush....
As for the PPV, I was quite dissapointed the whole show untill the tag title match and the main event. What kinda sorry shit for a match between brock and the human gorilla? Overall, I guess mi $34 was well spent.
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The F-5 on Big Show was something.
Pity the match was so short.. :(
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there is one injury to report: HHH suffered an injury to his throat when RVD did that frog splash from one of the chambers.....he could have a crushed larnyx, HH not talk...that might be a good thing.........
and Rico got a nasty gash on his arm when he got put through the table.
brock wont be taking much time off after all...he just wont work on weekends.....he will start a Re-Match Feud with the Big Show probly tuesday
I am Happy someone else but HHH got the belt........I hope it helps the ratings.........
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I haven\'t been watching like crazy, but I\'m still following here and there. Although I missed the whole thing last night cause of the pats game and sopranos.
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It\'s annoying that I can\'t get smackdown. The tag team matches recently have supposedly been some of the best matches of the year.
And then the PPV match turned out to be disappointing! :mad:
I can\'t believe they let the Big Show end Brocks winning streak... :(
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Originally posted by Spudz
You make it seem like everyone just wants to be a wrestler :rolleyes:
If you think it isnt fake:
How does it classify itself as a sport? Beating up eachother isnt hardly "sporty".
At no point in my post have I said everyone wants to be a wrestler. :rolleyes:
I never even brought it up so I don\'t know wtf you are talking about.
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The reason the big gorilla and brocks match was so short was b/c brocks ribs are still kinda fuxored and they didnt want a drawn out match aggrivating the injury further.
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I guess Brock is none too happy about his rib injury either. After Smackdown he and Show had some serious heat between them because Brock thought that Show worked too stiff the week before so Brock worked a bit stiff himself when he slammed show into the steps.
I might expect some shoots between these two in the coming weeks.
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the newest thing I am hearing is that HHH wanted to lose the belt so he could cleanly pin HBK later down the line........his EGO is waaaay out of control and he has way too much power behind the scenes! I guess it pays to be screwing the boss\'s daughter!
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Originally posted by KillaX
I guess it pays to be screwing the boss\'s daughter!
Probably feels good too.. :laughing: