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Title: You have got to be kidding...
Post by: GigaShadow on November 26, 2002, 08:11:18 AM
WARREN, Michigan (AP) -- Eminem\'s former homes continue to draw fans — and bids of more than $11 million — to an Internet auction site.

A modest, 1,300-square-foot Warren home, listed on eBay since Nov. 14, was appraised at $91,000. The highest of the 289 bids as of this week was $11,000,600. Bidding opened at $120,000.

"It amazes me," co-owner Roland Fraschetti told The Detroit News. "We\'re trying to find out more about the bidder."

A fixer upper with a past
The Macomb County commissioner from St. Clair Shores bought the three-bedroom, two-bathroom home on Nov. 8 for $45,000 with partner Sebastian Lucido.

"We know there are sincere bids out there in the six figures and some sincere bids in the seven figures but I don\'t know about the eight-figure bids," Fraschetti said.

Todd Nelson, Eminem\'s uncle, recently sold the house to Fraschetti and Lucido for $45,000. Nelson said he sold the home, which had been in the family for 50 years, to pay some personal debts. He said Eminem and other family members weren\'t happy about the decision.

"He\'s mad, they\'re all mad at me, everyone in the whole family," said Nelson, whose sister, Debbie Nelson, is Eminem\'s mother. "But I had to do what I had to do."

Roots for sale
Eminem, born Marshall Bruce Mathers III in St. Joseph, Missouri, lived in the house "off and on" between the ages of 13 and 25, Nelson said told The Macomb Daily.

"This is where it all started for him," Nelson said. "Without this house, Marshall would be in jail or back in Missouri, where he was born."

Another former Eminem abode — a 5,000-square-foot colonial in Sterling Heights — went up on eBay on Wednesday and drew an initial bid of $600,000. The highest of 44 bids as of Monday was $800,400.

Eminem, 30, has won five Grammys and stars in "8 Mile," which opened at No. 1 at the box office this past weekend and drew strong reviews.

You have to be kidding... 11 million for that POS!  Click on the link below to see a picture of it.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/11/26/eminem.house.ap/index.html
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Post by: Black Samurai on November 26, 2002, 11:41:52 AM
They are banking on Em becoming a music icon (ie. Another Elvis)
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 26, 2002, 11:45:49 AM
Really what is so cool about that guy?  His music sucks.
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Post by: kopking on November 26, 2002, 12:21:35 PM
yea, read this in paper the other day...


i used to like eminem, not himself, but his songs, thought i dont like his new album, dont like how he raps.... shame he doesnt rap about more important stuff,cos hes got talent..... guess its bettter than all this " ive got so much money, im so rich " etc rap, that is all i seem to hear now adays
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Post by: luckee on November 26, 2002, 12:24:19 PM
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Really what is so cool about that guy?  His music sucks.


1. He is white
2. He is a successful white rapper
3. He causes controversy

Whether or not you like rap music, you cant deny that he has talent, which he does plain and simple.
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 26, 2002, 12:25:57 PM
Maybe its me, but I don\'t like rap to begin with especially some wanna be "gangsta"
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 26, 2002, 12:29:15 PM
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Originally posted by luckee


1. He is white
2. He is a successful white rapper
3. He causes controversy

Whether or not you like rap music, you cant deny that he has talent, which he does plain and simple.


I have to disagree with you luckee, I don\'t think he has any talent.  I don\'t appreciate "rap" or its lifestyle.  Just because a bunch of teenagers like him doesn\'t mean anything to me.  If you don\'t like the genre how can you say someone has talent?
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Post by: square_marker on November 26, 2002, 12:33:55 PM
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Originally posted by GigaShadow





Another former Eminem abode — a 5,000-square-foot colonial in Sterling Heights — went up on eBay on Wednesday and drew an initial bid of $600,000. The highest of 44 bids as of Monday was $800,400.




who do we know that lives in sterling heights?  and used to be his neighbor across the street.  i hated that fag... i wanted to egg his house lol.   he always had this big guy in a white suv in his huge driveway thing.
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Post by: luckee on November 26, 2002, 12:37:50 PM
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Originally posted by GigaShadow


I have to disagree with you luckee, I don\'t think he has any talent.  I don\'t appreciate "rap" or its lifestyle.  Just because a bunch of teenagers like him doesn\'t mean anything to me.  If you don\'t like the genre how can you say someone has talent?


If you are opened minded its very easy to say that. I dont care for classical music much, but that is not to say Chopin or Bach didnt have talent.

I very much dislike country music, but Johnny Cash was the man.
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Post by: Luke on November 26, 2002, 12:42:07 PM
hes not even from detroit.

square marker could back me up on this but Warren is pretty much a nice white suberb.

thug life y\'allz.
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 26, 2002, 12:42:59 PM
Then I guess I will remain closed minded to this punk.  I don\'t think he is anything special and would probably have felt the same way square does if he lived in my neighborhood.
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Post by: Luke on November 26, 2002, 12:46:01 PM
just like most rap... eminem is all image.
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 26, 2002, 12:47:25 PM
Exactly my thoughts on the subject Luke.  Another Vanilla Ice.
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Post by: luckee on November 26, 2002, 12:49:41 PM
ARe you forgetting that ALL music is image? Metallica dressed in spurs and chaps doesnt exactly say metal does it? :)
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Post by: Heat on November 26, 2002, 12:50:33 PM
Eminem is a rap god; I have all his stuff and haven\'t disliked any of his tunes, a lyrical genius.
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 26, 2002, 12:53:25 PM
Ebonics... plain and simple.
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Post by: luckee on November 26, 2002, 12:55:00 PM
He is far from a god in the industry, but he certainly has alot lyrical talent.
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Post by: luckee on November 26, 2002, 12:56:15 PM
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Ebonics... plain and simple.


You don\'t really know what ebonics is do you?
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 26, 2002, 01:01:29 PM
Oh please luckee... what rappers do to the English language is a crime in itself.  Don\'t turn this discussion into something personal.
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Post by: luckee on November 26, 2002, 01:03:58 PM
Who got personal?

SOme rappers yes, but that is all part of the hiphop and rap culture.

But since we were talking about eminem, I ask the question again.
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 26, 2002, 01:05:49 PM
Lyrics and Rap equal the same thing in this genre.  I find no talent in someone who strings together slang for a living.  Once again I don\'t appreciate nor like the rap culture ;)
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Post by: luckee on November 26, 2002, 01:08:29 PM
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Lyrics and Rap equal the same thing in this genre.  I find no talent in someone who strings together slang for a living.  Once again I don\'t appreciate nor like the rap culture ;)



No they dont, if you knew anything about hiphop or rap, you would undserstand why.

Can you do it?

Thats your option and thats fine, but at least open your mind and respect the fact that it takes a GREAT deal of talent.

The same amount it takes to play drums..or a guitar or a flute for that fact.
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Post by: Heat on November 26, 2002, 01:10:44 PM
Err, we are talking about Eminem, and last I checked he is NOT black, so why is the word Ebonics even in this thread? Ebonics only applys to Black Americans.
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Post by: luckee on November 26, 2002, 01:11:30 PM
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Originally posted by Heat
Err, we are talking about Eminem, and last I checked he is NOT black, so why is the word Ebonics even in this thread? Ebonics only applys to Black Americans.



Actually it doesnt.
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Post by: Heat on November 26, 2002, 01:13:46 PM
It does.
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 26, 2002, 01:13:55 PM
Sorry, but I will remain ignorant.  I haven\'t been brainwashed by MTV.  

How can you say rap "lyrics" don\'t consist of slang?  Really, I am interested to know if you actually think its grammatically correct.  It is this hip hop/rap culture that is butchering the English language, which in turn is leading to a decline in English literature.
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 26, 2002, 01:15:15 PM
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Originally posted by Heat
Err, we are talking about Eminem, and last I checked he is NOT black, so why is the word Ebonics even in this thread? Ebonics only applys to Black Americans.


Heh, Luckee and I agree on something. ;)
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Post by: Heat on November 26, 2002, 01:15:19 PM
Well, I have to much time so I looked it up. Here is what I got.

a nonstandard form of American English spoken by some American Black people
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 26, 2002, 01:16:51 PM
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Originally posted by Heat
Well, I have to much time so I looked it up. Here is what I got.

a nonstandard form of American English spoken by some American Black people


Got news for you - some white people speak it as well.
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Post by: luckee on November 26, 2002, 01:20:05 PM
As well as mexicans, indians, natives..anyone.


giga, I never said rap and hiphop didnt consist of slang. I was refering to your first sentence in that message.
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 26, 2002, 01:21:34 PM
I will agree to disagree with you luckee.  I just don\'t appreciate it or find it entertaining.  Going back to the topic, $11 million for that house?????  Come on...
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Post by: Luke on November 26, 2002, 01:21:39 PM
correction luck... all POPULAR music is about image.

the reason some great great bands never make it to mainstream is because they have no image... even though thier music is great.
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Post by: Heat on November 26, 2002, 01:21:41 PM
Maybe they do, but I am still correct. Me and my dictionary both glove slap you.
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 26, 2002, 01:23:04 PM
Silly Brits ;)
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Post by: luckee on November 26, 2002, 01:25:29 PM
Yup, that is ridiculous..11 mil. SOme ppl, I just dont understand.

Luke..tru, I agree and stand corrected :)

Just b/c the dictionary is partially fukked, it doesnt mean you or it is entirely correct :)
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Post by: Heat on November 26, 2002, 01:26:57 PM
Silly ****ing bastard yanks :) <=== my get out of jail free card apparently.
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Post by: THX on November 26, 2002, 07:05:34 PM
Ok so it\'s only Ebonics when black people speak it, lol.  I thought I heard some white kids around here say the same things, I guess it\'s not ebonics but I wonder what it is.  No one even uses that term anymore, I\'m surprised to hear it\'s in the dictionay. :P
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 26, 2002, 07:35:04 PM
I guess its slang.  Just take a look at some of Sir Mystiq\'s posts... :p
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Post by: Samwise on November 27, 2002, 03:38:11 AM
We is gonnaz buzt a capz in da heaaaaaaaaad!111111*

*Ok, so I suck at that. :p
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Post by: square_marker on November 27, 2002, 02:50:50 PM
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Originally posted by LUKE
hes not even from detroit.

square marker could back me up on this but Warren is pretty much a nice white suberb.

thug life y\'allz.



my grandmother lives at 11 mile and hoover.. in warren... and we also have some more family living by 9 mile.  At 11 mile in warren... its white city.  If eminem grew up there...his whole life story is fake.  8 mile isnt that bad of a place..its some parts of northern and western detriot... no the southern.

EDIT:  btw, i havent seen 8 mile yet...but if they have anythign about sterling heights being "hard" or whatever... were one of the safest countries in the us  .... most people would call us sterling whites...  besides arabs.... there are very few minorities in our schooling system
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Post by: square_marker on November 27, 2002, 02:54:42 PM
why do so much white people wanna be black.  i mean can u image a black person trying to be a stereotypical white person... can you image how funny that would have to be to white people.  

jw...but do that follow eminem...the white ones...are they viewed as jokes by the african american community.
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Post by: SirMystiq on November 27, 2002, 05:45:00 PM
ok well my SN was used in this thread so i have to say something. yep that means  you will see a demonstration of slang at work. ok newayz, first off, of course you old Elvis lovers dont like rap, duh. its the way its supposed to be. and if you do like rap, then more power to ya. second im tired of this "white people trying to be black" bullshit. nobody tries to do anything, sure theres people that its noticiable when they are "acting". others they just grow up or have black friends so its not that they are acting its just they way the are. just because your white and see another white kid "acting black" doesnt give you the right to judge them. people choose theyre own sense of style and way of being, theres no such thing as dressin or acting according to your race.

ohh and if you got the money why the hell not? eminem is a great rapper. rap is the greatest thing,  u just gotta learn how to appreciate it for what it is, yea its rap, rap is sex, money, cars, and bling bling, duh. just like pop, pop is teenage freaks with implants pretending to sing to some beat. Rock is a bunch of fools that cant sing, so they just scream real loud and make theyre voices fade out to the electric guitar.

and you people betta recognize the tru way of gangsta life.... :)
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Post by: Luke on November 28, 2002, 12:03:30 AM
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Originally posted by square_marker



my grandmother lives at 11 mile and hoover.. in warren... and we also have some more family living by 9 mile.  At 11 mile in warren... its white city.  If eminem grew up there...his whole life story is fake.  8 mile isnt that bad of a place..its some parts of northern and western detriot... no the southern.

EDIT:  btw, i havent seen 8 mile yet...but if they have anythign about sterling heights being "hard" or whatever... were one of the safest countries in the us  .... most people would call us sterling whites...  besides arabs.... there are very few minorities in our schooling system


i dont think anybodys calling sterling heights hard... lets not get too unrealistic here rich boy:)

and yeah, he\'s from warren and warren aint bad at all.

just like kid rock isnt from detroit either... damn i cant think of where hes from and i dont wanna wake up daisy to ask her... ummmmmm... shit i cant remember.

AHA!

hes from romeo michigan i think... does that ring a bell square? wheres romeo?
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 28, 2002, 08:27:50 AM
There aren\'t many black people in DFW are there Sir Mystiq?  Good to see you are "representin".
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Post by: SirMystiq on November 28, 2002, 08:30:01 AM
HAHAHAHA DFW is full of black people

and if by representin you mean that im reprezentin black people then think again, im hispanic.
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Post by: luckee on November 28, 2002, 11:42:14 AM
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Originally posted by square_marker
why do so much white people wanna be black.  i mean can u image a black person trying to be a stereotypical white person... can you image how funny that would have to be to white people.  

jw...but do that follow eminem...the white ones...are they viewed as jokes by the african american community.


Why is it not that people are acting like themselves instead of ppl perceiving them to be acting like something else. One would only know if they knew said ppl individually.
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 28, 2002, 05:02:21 PM
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
HAHAHAHA DFW is full of black people

and if by representin you mean that im reprezentin black people then think again, im hispanic.


I have lived in DFW and trust me there aren\'t many blacks there at all... Go to any other city in the South and the Northeast and you will see many more.  

Mystiq you are part of this MTV generation that buys into all the hype.  MTV isn\'t what it was 15 or so years ago when you could easily catch some Metallica, Slayer or some decent music vids.  I remember the days when they used to air 120 minutes and those were some of the best videos made.  

Don\'t get me wrong, I don\'t mind seeing Mariah shake it - its just sad that MTV plays nothing but rap/hiphop and The Real World.  What Square said is true also, most blacks view Eminem as a joke, a wannabe "gangsta"... Sorta like you Mystiq.  :rolleyes:
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Post by: SwifDi on November 28, 2002, 05:04:53 PM
All I have to say is, "You don\'t... wanna f*ck with Shady... cuz\' Shady.... will f*cking kill you..."

Eminem owns you.
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 28, 2002, 05:14:37 PM
Heh go back to your own thread loverboy :p
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Post by: Black Samurai on November 28, 2002, 11:02:20 PM
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Mystiq you are part of this MTV generation that buys into all the hype.  MTV isn\'t what it was 15 or so years ago when you could easily catch some Metallica, Slayer or some decent music vids.  I remember the days when they used to air 120 minutes and those were some of the best videos made.
Just wondering. What exactly makes the rock videos from 15 years ago better than the ones now or some of the best ever made?

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Don\'t get me wrong, I don\'t mind seeing Mariah shake it - its just sad that MTV plays nothing but rap/hiphop and The Real World.  What Square said is true also, most blacks view Eminem as a joke, a wannabe "gangsta"... Sorta like you Mystiq.  :rolleyes:
Are you black? How do you know that most blacks view him as anything? Are you basing this on the fact that YOU think he is a wannabe gangsta?

Personally I don\'t listen to much Eminem; but the FACT remains he is one of the best lyricists out there.

I don\'t get how someone who states that they don\'t like or even listen to rap can then go on and say what rap is like or what they talk about. Doesn\'t the first statement nullify any of the following statements made about the topic? I rarely listen to rock. In fact the only CD that I own that is considered rock is a Hendrix greatest hits compilation(I love that CD). So knowing only about the rock, that I occasionally hear, on the radio and TV do you think I know anything compared to someone that is actually a fan? I could say that all rock is is screaming and complaining about how much life sucks. Is that an accurate assumption for ALL rock?

Rock is nothing but white kids with nothing wrong in their lives screaming about how much their lives suck. Accompanied by a guitar playing 3-4 different chords and a drummer that is more concerned about playing loud than playing rythmically.

^^Hey those generalizations are fun.:smokin:
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Post by: Samwise on November 29, 2002, 12:01:03 AM
To continue the bashing... MTV is the worst. Crap. Ever. Seriously, it\'s so bad is funny.

Do they even play music anymore? Or is all the air time filled with Tom Green show, commercials and other shit?
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Post by: Weltall on November 29, 2002, 02:22:07 AM
Samwise, you\'re a fag. I love you.

Rap sucks ass.

Yeah.
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Post by: Samwise on November 29, 2002, 06:59:44 AM
Weltall! I WUB J00!
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Post by: ooseven on November 29, 2002, 07:31:53 AM
yeah Weltall is back

Woot

:D

/me hugs Weltall
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Post by: Black Samurai on November 29, 2002, 08:46:28 AM
/me pees on Weltall\'s face.

Whats the deal, son?
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 29, 2002, 04:14:16 PM
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Originally posted by Weltall
Samwise, you\'re a fag. I love you.

Rap sucks ass.

Yeah.


Three cheers for Weltall!!! :laughing:
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Post by: Skyrider666 on November 29, 2002, 05:48:47 PM
Imo anything with no instuments is not music,That covers Rap and Techno.
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Post by: Black Samurai on November 29, 2002, 07:18:33 PM
^^^Their are rap groups that use live bands.

IMO, anything that can not be danced to or sung along with is not music. That covers all hard rock and metal. Metal is justs organized noise.
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Post by: Faithdies on November 29, 2002, 07:53:33 PM
Man, is this nothing but a stereo-type fight.
I am one of those people that find something musically redeeming in almost every style of music. Each has thier ups and downs. Unfortunately, what people do when they dont like a certain kind of music is ONLY look for flaws that that particular music contains.
As Benjamin Franklin said(I think), "the fault finder will always find faults.

Almost every style of music has at least one song in its genre that is heart felt and takes talent.
Ill even  list a few examples.

Rap - Wu-tang "C.R.E.A.M"
  This is a song that is truely about the ghetto and living life hard.
  No slang, no abuse...just telling it like it is.

          Gza/Genius - "life is a test"
  Another pure song listen to it. Sounds good, dont it.

Rock - Nirvana "Smells like Teen spirit"
  Just a fun song.

Metal - Metallicca "Hero of the day"
   Anyone who hears this song, and says its bad is Lying.
   Thats all there is to it. They are in denial.
           
            Metallica "Fade to black"
  Same as above. They just cant handle the fact that its good.
  I have seen so many people out of the corner of my eye        who "hate metal" nodding thier head in time to metalicca its not    even funny.

Just stop looking for the bad things. Cause they are always there. You will always find them.
Instead LOOK, LISTEN, FEEL, what is good about something and you will enjoy life so much more.
Life wasnt meant to sit around and complain all day.
So grow up.
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Post by: luckee on November 30, 2002, 03:13:12 AM
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Originally posted by Faithdies
Man, is this nothing but a stereo-type fight.
I am one of those people that find something musically redeeming in almost every style of music. Each has thier ups and downs. Unfortunately, what people do when they dont like a certain kind of music is ONLY look for flaws that that particular music contains.
As Benjamin Franklin said(I think), "the fault finder will always find faults.

Almost every style of music has at least one song in its genre that is heart felt and takes talent.
Ill even  list a few examples.

Rap - Wu-tang "C.R.E.A.M"
  This is a song that is truely about the ghetto and living life hard.
  No slang, no abuse...just telling it like it is.

          Gza/Genius - "life is a test"
  Another pure song listen to it. Sounds good, dont it.

Rock - Nirvana "Smells like Teen spirit"
  Just a fun song.

Metal - Metallicca "Hero of the day"
   Anyone who hears this song, and says its bad is Lying.
   Thats all there is to it. They are in denial.
           
            Metallica "Fade to black"
  Same as above. They just cant handle the fact that its good.
  I have seen so many people out of the corner of my eye        who "hate metal" nodding thier head in time to metalicca its not    even funny.

Just stop looking for the bad things. Cause they are always there. You will always find them.
Instead LOOK, LISTEN, FEEL, what is good about something and you will enjoy life so much more.
Life wasnt meant to sit around and complain all day.
So grow up.


Damn I like you, and not in that homosexual way either.
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Post by: SirMystiq on November 30, 2002, 11:28:39 AM
well i dont have cable so i cant watch MTV and be part of the MTV generation..all i know i listen to what i like and just cuz you dont like it you gotta get all this emotions mixed. if im the mtv generation what are yall old-school generation, i talk slang cuz i hear it all the time, you may not hear it since your all grown up or whatever but i do so whatever.  GIGA you used to live in DFW as in past, you know  some time ago, things change. me wannabe gansta?!?! just cuz i use slang or type it.. ohh so damn G i must really be down with the hood, you know since every other word i spoke is gansta..i gotta go cap somebody...thats the most retard thing ive hear, so i guess your  a wannabe what? prep. giga is a prep giga is a prep, cuz he uses proper english and probably dresses funny, i got all that just by the way he types, am i good or what?
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Post by: GigaShadow on November 30, 2002, 12:13:44 PM
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
well i dont have cable so i cant watch MTV and be part of the MTV generation..all i know i listen to what i like and just cuz you dont like it you gotta get all this emotions mixed. if im the mtv generation what are yall old-school generation, i talk slang cuz i hear it all the time, you may not hear it since your all grown up or whatever but i do so whatever.  GIGA you used to live in DFW as in past, you know  some time ago, things change. me wannabe gansta?!?! just cuz i use slang or type it.. ohh so damn G i must really be down with the hood, you know since every other word i spoke is gansta..i gotta go cap somebody...thats the most retard thing ive hear, so i guess your  a wannabe what? prep. giga is a prep giga is a prep, cuz he uses proper english and probably dresses funny, i got all that just by the way he types, am i good or what?


You would make an excellent case study as to the adverse effect rap has on ones grammar. :D
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Post by: Black Samurai on November 30, 2002, 01:46:50 PM
Hey, Giga, Nice job ignoring my post.
/me gives a thumbs up.
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Post by: luckee on November 30, 2002, 03:54:31 PM
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Originally posted by GigaShadow


You would make an excellent case study as to the adverse effect rap has on ones grammar. :D


That would be a very poor study. Take me for example. In relaxed enviorments, Im rather ghetto-ish in my typing or talking. IN the business world or dealing with my contacts pertaining to the business, I am quite "proper". There is a time and place for everything and what one listens to or watches is a poor excuse as to how they act, speak, and type.
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Post by: Skyrider666 on November 30, 2002, 04:15:12 PM
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Originally posted by Gohan
^^^Their are rap groups that use live bands.

IMO, anything that can not be danced to or sung along with is not music. That covers all hard rock and metal. Metal is justs organized noise.


You could dance to 2 garbage lids clanging together in a 1/4 beat,does that make it music? Not in my books.
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Post by: SirMystiq on November 30, 2002, 04:20:06 PM
this aint english class, as long as you can tell what i typed im kool wit my typing.
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Post by: Black Samurai on November 30, 2002, 06:15:47 PM
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Originally posted by Skyrider666
You could dance to 2 garbage lids clanging together in a 1/4 beat,does that make it music? Not in my books.
Thats funny because rock can be traced back to music that you would consider comparable to "garbage lids clanging".

Still the fact of the matter is that you said Rap and techno are not music because they don\'t use instruments. I said that their are rap groups that do use live bands so that goes against your statement. If your favorite rock band recorded all of their music in the studio and then went on stage and performed the vocals over the recording does that mean it is no longer music?

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mu·sic n.
1. The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.
2 Vocal or instrumental sounds possessing a degree of melody, harmony, or rhythm.
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Post by: Skyrider666 on December 01, 2002, 06:45:31 AM
I think it\'s a personal thing,depends on who\'s listening as to what music is.Don\'t get me wrong I\'m not saying what I see as music everyone else should,I\'m just saying in my opinion music is a mix of instruments and vocals.Not a computer and 40 000 pre recorded tracks,Even 5 year old kids can make "songs" with the playstation game Music. But they aren\'t musicians.
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Post by: SER on December 01, 2002, 07:50:08 AM
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Post by: GigaShadow on December 01, 2002, 10:07:28 AM
Here is a link just for you Gohan:

http://brn.ath.cx/FlashMovies/Eminem.html
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Post by: Black Samurai on December 01, 2002, 12:51:15 PM
^^^Way to continuously avoid my post with corny bullshit.

I already said that I\'m not a big Eminem fan. Is that supposed to offend me? Even if I was a big Em fan, I don\'t think I would care.

Seriously, I\'m pretty sure that you are 13-14 because anyone else on this board, with even an ounce of common sense, would have seen my post and said, "yeah that is kind of true. How can I make an educated opinion about something that I don\'t even like or attempt to listen to?" Not you though. Your rebuttal? "Look at de zany Flash cartoon." :rolleyes:

Seriously, grow up.
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Post by: Bozco on December 01, 2002, 01:05:34 PM
Gigashadow, how about you actually address what Gohan has to say.  This should be interesting.
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Post by: GigaShadow on December 01, 2002, 01:07:27 PM
You really are a moron Gohan.  I totally disagree with your opinion on this matter.  There is nothing to debate.  Haven\'t you figured it out by now?  Why respond to "your opinion" when I have my own?  

Get some taste and a sense of humor little man.  I repeat - I HATE rap... deal with it.  If you have to accuse me of being 13 (I am 34) just because I poke fun at the genre of music you happen to like, it truly shows your age.
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Post by: Black Samurai on December 01, 2002, 01:13:09 PM
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Originally posted by Skyrider666
I think it\'s a personal thing,depends on who\'s listening as to what music is.Don\'t get me wrong I\'m not saying what I see as music everyone else should,I\'m just saying in my opinion music is a mix of instruments and vocals.Not a computer and 40 000 pre recorded tracks,Even 5 year old kids can make "songs" with the playstation game Music. But they aren\'t musicians.
I totally agree about the personal thing. It just that a lot of producers are using real instruments in production. Thats why when most rappers perform live its no problem to get a live band to perform the background music.

If you have time you should download some tracks from "The Roots" just to get a sample of accompanied rap that doesn\'t get much play on the radio. You might not like it; but its still cool to hear it. Now what I mean?
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Post by: Black Samurai on December 01, 2002, 01:23:57 PM
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
You really are a moron Gohan.  I totally disagree with your opinion on this matter.  There is nothing to debate.  Haven\'t you figured it out by now?  Why respond to "your opinion" when I have my own?  

Get some taste and a sense of humor little man.  I repeat - I HATE rap... deal with it.  If you have to accuse me of being 13 (I am 34) just because I poke fun at the genre of music you happen to like, it truly shows your age.
Whay should you respond to my opinion? How about because I responded to your opinion. Seeing as how you are 34 years old, the mature thing to do would respond to MY opinions in kind. However, you showed exactly how immature you are by skirting the subject and posting an unfunny flash animation.

I stand by my previous statement. GROW UP.

You are proving that your dislike for rap is based on foolish pretense and when someone calls you on that you turn into a damn child.
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Post by: GigaShadow on December 01, 2002, 01:33:50 PM
Your insistance that I waste time and debate the merits of music with you is growing redundant.  RAP sucks and YOU will not change my opinion.  Furthermore, I find you taking my bashing of Eminem personally quite humorous.  

This thread WAS about the insane price of a house, yet you have turned into something else.  Once again Gohan, there is no debate here - how many times must I tell you?
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Post by: Black Samurai on December 01, 2002, 01:48:39 PM
^^^How am I taking it personally? I don\'t understand.

I am not trying to debate the merits of the music. I posted a reply that refuted what you said about the music and showed why your opinion was skewed. If you can\'t see that then, oh well.

BTW, This thread WAS about the price of a house until YOU changed the subject after ONE reply.
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Post by: GigaShadow on December 01, 2002, 02:01:39 PM
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Originally posted by Gohan
^^^How am I taking it personally? I don\'t understand.

I am not trying to debate the merits of the music. I posted a reply that refuted what you said about the music and showed why your opinion was skewed. If you can\'t see that then, oh well.

BTW, This thread WAS about the price of a house until YOU changed the subject after ONE reply.


This isn\'t a personal attack?

"However, you showed exactly how immature you are by skirting the subject and posting an unfunny flash animation.

I stand by my previous statement. GROW UP.

You are proving that your dislike for rap is based on foolish pretense and when someone calls you on that you turn into a damn child."

Give me a break...  you started flinging insults and trust me I can come up with quite a few names for people such as yourself, but I have refrained from doing so.  Am I stubborn?  Yes I am.  Am I closed minded?  We all are to some extent.  Am I immature for saying I dislike rap and making fun of it?  Hardly.  If you posted a link making fun of metal, techno, 80\'s, etc - I surely wouldn\'t call you 13 years old for doing so.  

It is all a matter of perspective regarding opinions...  As I have said you have yours and I have mine.  My opinion stands, rap is gutter music and I am not ashamed to say so.
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Post by: Black Samurai on December 01, 2002, 02:15:40 PM
^^^Way to ignore the fact that that reply was in response to you calling me a moron.

I have nothing against the flash animation. My problem was that I posted a serious reply to your post and you responded with a cartoon. To me that is disrespectful.

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trust me I can come up with quite a few names for people such as yourself, but I have refrained from doing so.
People like rap fans?
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Am I immature for saying I dislike rap and making fun of it?
Of course not. The way that you went about it was immature.
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It is all a matter of perspective regarding opinions... As I have said you have yours and I have mine. My opinion stands, rap is gutter music and I am not ashamed to say so.
If rap is gutter music then what are metal and techno? What makes rap "gutter music"?
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Post by: GigaShadow on December 01, 2002, 02:20:41 PM
Why don\'t you give it a rest Gohan...

Why should I defend my opinion?  Why is this such a serious thread for you?  Get a life.  Take anything I have posted the way you want to.  I really don\'t care.  If you find humor offensive and disrespectful maybe you ought not to be posting at all.
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Post by: GigaShadow on December 01, 2002, 02:24:21 PM
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Originally posted by Gohan
^^^Way to continuously avoid my post with corny bullshit.

I already said that I\'m not a big Eminem fan. Is that supposed to offend me? Even if I was a big Em fan, I don\'t think I would care.

Seriously, I\'m pretty sure that you are 13-14 because anyone else on this board, with even an ounce of common sense, would have seen my post and said, "yeah that is kind of true. How can I make an educated opinion about something that I don\'t even like or attempt to listen to?" Not you though. Your rebuttal? "Look at de zany Flash cartoon." :rolleyes:

Seriously, grow up.


Ok let me post the original then... this was the pre moron post.

Like I said, give it a rest.  You aren\'t nearly as smart as you think you are.

Oh one more thing I am done with this pointless banter - go ahead take the last word.
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Post by: Black Samurai on December 01, 2002, 02:32:18 PM
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Why should I defend my opinion?  Why is this such a serious thread for you?  Get a life.  Take anything I have posted the way you want to.  I really don\'t care.  If you find humor offensive and disrespectful maybe you ought not to be posting at all.
Its not a serios thread for me. I posted a serious reply and you knew that I was right so you avoided and continue to avoid my post. Say what you want.

Good riddance. If I was such a moron then you could have used your superior knowledge to shut me up. However you didn\'t.

So I will have the last word. I think it will be fitting to end with a personal insult. *ahem* Queer.
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Post by: Bozco on December 01, 2002, 05:11:02 PM
If you didn\'t want a serious response Gigashadow you wouldn\'t attack him.  If you would have poked fun at rap that would have been one thing, but you took it further.  And it is easy to call him childish instead of really holding a conversation, isn\'t it?


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Like I said, give it a rest. You aren\'t nearly as smart as you think you are.


Same could be said about you.
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Post by: SirMystiq on December 01, 2002, 05:57:28 PM
GO GOHAN!!! GO GOHAN!!!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOHAN!!!!

WOA MAN GIGA YOUR 34 YEARS OLD!?!?!?!
 well no wonder you dont like rap, do the fast beats and bad words make your hearing aid not work properly?

newayz, gohan is right, you shouldnt bash or "poke fun" at something you dont like, if youve never listened to it, how would you like it if i said "Elvis IS dead"??
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Post by: GigaShadow on December 01, 2002, 06:04:16 PM
What is your IQ ghetto boy?  Its an opinion and as far as I know everyone is allowed to have one.  Bash all you want - I still think "c"rap sucks.

For clarification Mystiq:  I don\'t mind profanity in music and I don\'t like Elvis.
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Post by: theomen on December 01, 2002, 06:07:51 PM
news flash, people like different styles of music.  And whether it be rap, rock, clasical or polka, each has it\'s own merits and own fan base.  There is no saying one is better than the other, because they are so incredibly different it would be impossible to compare them fairly.

It is one thing to say that you dislike a certain genre of music, but to say one style is bad and another is good is quite assanine.  And if I hear one more discussion based on why or why not a certain type of music sucks, I will be forced to rape every person in the thread.
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Post by: SirMystiq on December 01, 2002, 06:08:38 PM
how d hell should i know what my IQ is???
let me put it to you this way G-pop, im in 10th grade and already studying engineering.....kool aint it?!

whats the "c" for?! i cant believe you called me ghetto boy, thats so ghetto....
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Post by: GigaShadow on December 01, 2002, 06:10:51 PM
You called yourself ghetto in your "Girlfriend" thread.  You also said you don\'t do well in school... were you lying or are you just contridicting yourself? :p
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Post by: SirMystiq on December 01, 2002, 06:15:13 PM
hahaha i sure did didnt I??

well see, you and me have different opinions of what ghetto is...from what you typed you probably think being ghetto is saggin your pants to the floor and wearing big silver chains, see but i dont think thats ghetto. i said im ghetto cuz i sometimes am, the way i talk, i know thats ghetto, and probably some of the things i do...so yeah, im ghetto sometimes, but the way you typed it seemed kinda funny...

I do good in school, well i think i do 80\'s 76\'s you know all dat good stuff, i was talkin about comparing my grades to her grades, theres a big difference...

yep.....

haha..... you tought you caught me undefended hahaha fool hahaha old timer hahahaha
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Post by: luckee on December 01, 2002, 06:18:49 PM
Gohan- 42
GigaShadow- 0
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Post by: theomen on December 01, 2002, 06:19:51 PM
all music sucks, so does air, and numbers suck too.  Here\'s a list of the stuff that sucks;
oranges
chairs
cofee machines
people with brown hair
zippers
Koreans
birds
colors
every type of literature
every sport that doesn\'t involve people wearing high socks
whistles
the letter T
the month of September
Tuesdays that fall on the 11th

there we go, now I feel stupid enough to par take in this discussion
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Post by: SirMystiq on December 01, 2002, 06:21:15 PM
well i gotta give giga some credit too, it is his opinion even if he doesnt have any reasons to back it up, i mean i HATE the cowboys and i live in dallas, i dont even know why, might be cuz im stupid, or ignorant, but i hate em nothing can change my mind....

GO NINERS!!!!!!!!
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Post by: luckee on December 01, 2002, 06:22:15 PM
Yea, but opinions dont score points :)
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Post by: theomen on December 01, 2002, 06:24:04 PM
well I like SirMystiq now, nut I have a reason for that.  He said go Niners, automatically making him cool.

Next week Niners vs Cowboys, woooo!

I now return you all to your previously schedualed insanely stupid discussion...
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Post by: SirMystiq on December 01, 2002, 06:26:16 PM
^^^^^^^

YOUR A NINER FAN TOO!!!!!!!!!!!! KOOOL!!!!!

HELL YEAH, I ALREADY GOT MY TICKETS!!!!!!!

I HOPE OWENS STANDS ON THE STAR AGAIN, SCREW THAT I HOPE HE PISSES ON THE STAR
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Post by: GigaShadow on December 01, 2002, 07:44:14 PM
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Yea, but opinions dont score points :)


I didn\'t realize we were playing a game here... but then again, who are you to keep score? :rolleyes:
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Post by: SirMystiq on December 01, 2002, 07:48:11 PM
we are playin a game poopy head!!

its called.......hmm.....ohh well im out of imagination for d day somebody come up with something funny.......
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Post by: GigaShadow on December 01, 2002, 07:57:00 PM
Once again for the reading impaired.  This is opinion.  Music is all about personal preference.  Why should I have to debate why I think rap sucks?  Anyone care to debate why the color blue is better than green?  WTF?  If you are dead set on debating me, go to Gohans thread about Homeland Security.  At least that topic has merits.
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Post by: luckee on December 01, 2002, 11:57:48 PM
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Once again for the reading impaired.  This is opinion.  Music is all about personal preference.  Why should I have to debate why I think rap sucks?  Anyone care to debate why the color blue is better than green?  WTF?  If you are dead set on debating me, go to Gohans thread about Homeland Security.  At least that topic has merits.


And since you seem to be mentally impaired, dont post your opinions in a PUBLIC FORUM if you do not want to debate them. Or better yet, DONT F\'N POST. Really, is it that hard?
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Post by: Samwise on December 02, 2002, 01:26:13 AM
Come on guys... there\'s no need to get all worked up. :)

Both Gohan and GigaShadow had some good points and both had some bad points. Let it go.

BTW, here are some more things that suck:

Schoolwork
Bling bling
Vapor Snake\'s mom
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Post by: ooseven on December 02, 2002, 01:50:50 AM
if this thread don\'t turn round real soon, it WILL be Closed !
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Post by: SirMystiq on December 02, 2002, 04:32:34 PM
awww..but arguing is like the live of this forums, if there wasnt any arguing, these forums will seem almost..normal......
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Post by: Samwise on December 03, 2002, 05:24:06 AM
Yeah, you\'re right. OOSEVEN J00 ARE TEH GHEY!