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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: bigrob on December 05, 2002, 01:39:03 AM
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Well, if you don\'t an xbox, you should really hope it gets ported.
I really don\'t care which platform games are on, as long as its a really good game. And this is
I am playing it right now, it it really amazing. I am so hooked. . Apart from a few thing its perfect. It has terrible collision detection and shooting the enemy. There seems to be only two variations. Head (1 shot kills) and body (3 shot kills). I would like to see limping enemies etc etc. Also the hand to hand attack can be improved. I think sam fisher should be able to fight a bit better and quicker. But that said. It\'s one awsome piece of game. I still find it to be the best game I have played. I love this type of games....
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its comming out on PC & PS2 in the new year.
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From what I have seen and heard, lot need to be improved. :(
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I would not say alot, a few things could have made it a 10/10, now I think its a 9 /10. Still my favorit game.
these is how I would rankt the games I have played so far on 3\'d gen consols
1. splinter cell
2 metal gear solid 2
3. halo
4.GTA3
5. Red fraction
6. dropship
7. MOH frontline
8.GT3- A spec
9. WRC
10. tekken tag
11 . max payne
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Dunno, have you read Capcom\'s and Bobo\'s impressions? I had a go at the game the other day and admittedly, I somewhat feel the sameway about various of issues pointed out by them. All in all, I find it a letdown. Sure there are some very nice things about the game, but I somewhat just enjoyed the experience in MGS better (the way you can play with the guards etc). Maybe I was expecting too much - or comparing it too much with MGS when perhaps the two are quite different games despite both relying on stealth.
That\'s just my opinion though and if this gets portet well to PS2 (I somewhat doubt this tho), then I will most likely give it another long try. :)
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Seems pretty cool.. Gonna pick it up for the PC or my PS2.
I heard rumours saying MS is PAYING the developers to release inferior versions of SC on the other platforms (including the PC). The other versions of the game will have missing graphical features ect.
Bleh.
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splinter cell is so much more real, and has alot more elemets of stelth then MGS, thats why I love it so much. Next game on my list is Raven shield:six...mmmmm....
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Originally posted by fastson
Seems pretty cool.. Gonna pick it up for the PC or my PS2.
I heard rumours saying MS is PAYING the developers to release inferior versions of SC on the other platforms (including the PC). The other versions of the game will have missing graphical features ect.
Bleh.
I wouldn\'t doubt it. I\'m sure they do have something up their sleeve.
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Why would MS pay devolopers to make an inferior version for the PS2. It would probably be inferior without any help from MS.
If the game comes out on the PS2 and is inferior, it would probably be due to problems handling the lighting effect etc.
I own a PS2 and don\'t think in could make Splinter Cell as good as the xbox.
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I think PS2 could certainly handle Splinter Cell, the problem is, would the developers put in the effort to make PS2 handle it?
Answer, no.
And M$ paying developers to release an inferior version is just plain stupidity. The game would sell better on PS2 even if it were half the game that the XBox version is. More likely they would pay developers to not put it on any other system (ala GTA3)
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
I think PS2 could certainly handle Splinter Cell, the problem is, would the developers put in the effort to make PS2 handle it?
Answer, no.
And that\'s the reason I get p*ssed off with PS2, it has a user base to sell crap to because they\'ll always buy it. And to anyone who says it couldn\'t handle it I say what I always say, look at MGS2 and GT3.
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From the XBOX commercial, it looked average. Example: when he grabs the guy- extremely jerky motion, and when he fell from the rafters: even worse. I might pick it up for the PS2.
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If you have a good PC, get the PC version. If not, the Ps2 should do. I played the Xbox demo, and I must say it is one of the best demos I have played in a while. I\'ll be picking it up next week.
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It\'ll be on the PS2 in 2k3.
Today while at circuit city I played it on the box. I have to say that the graphix were good but the animations sucked donkey bizalls. He goes from a crouch to standing in like 2 frames....WTF? Also when you get people from behind the animation jumps from the beggining to the end, there\'s no approch movement. I was really disapointed, especially concidering the Xbox\'s graphical power.
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Originally posted by shdknfvfdlvvsl
And that\'s the reason I get p*ssed off with PS2, it has a user base to sell crap to because they\'ll always buy it. And to anyone who says it couldn\'t handle it I say what I always say, look at MGS2 and GT3.
Well Splinter Cell, graphically, easily outshines both those two games.
I would look more towards Silent Hill 3 as a graphical benchmark. :facelick:
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Glad to hear that this games coming home to the Ps2. Now I dont have to waste my time and buy a damned XBox just to play this mofo.
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Well, a PS2 version still has not be confirmed by the developers.
It\'s still being considered.
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Originally posted by theomen
It\'ll be on the PS2 in 2k3.
Today while at circuit city I played it on the box. I have to say that the graphix were good but the animations sucked donkey bizalls. He goes from a crouch to standing in like 2 frames....WTF? Also when you get people from behind the animation jumps from the beggining to the end, there\'s no approch movement. I was really disapointed, especially concidering the Xbox\'s graphical power.
Ah memories... I remember talking to Ryu about this when the first trailer was released. A shame really that they didn\'t cover the animation too well. :(
Well Splinter Cell, graphically, easily outshines both those two games.
If you consider though that Splinter Cell runs at half the framerate... doesn\'t seem that impressive anymore, does it? :)
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Originally posted by seven
If you consider though that Splinter Cell runs at half the framerate... doesn\'t seem that impressive anymore, does it? :)
I thought it was just bad advertising, I\'ve seen games on TV ads before that looked like they ran crap but in the flesh flow like a mountain stream.
Still can\'t wait though.
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I am still amazed at how much people refuse to buy an xbox and would rather wait for a game that might not be coming out on the PS2. Also people seem to be quite happy buying PS2 version\'s of games when the xbox versions usually have better graphics and extra levels etc. Why would you keep buying the inferior product?
I personally like having the best console available to play the best games available.
Don\'t get me wrong I have a PS2 aswell but it hardly gets played because the xbox has better games coming out all the time.
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It\'s more down to personal preference, I hate the controller which means x-box falls at the very first hurdle and has to be shot before it even loads a game.
Plus, PS2 games may more often than not be the ugly duckling of the console world but they still play the best, the competition just feel wooden in comparison.
Can\'t speak for anyone else though.
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In the top 50 games for the PS2, most are multi platform.
If you like the PS2 controller so much you can buy an adapter for the xbox, or the s controller.
I think some people need to take off the blinkers and actually play some games on the xbox. You might find you like them.
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I recently went round to my bosses place to have a look and spent all evening playing Halo, JSRF and Project Gotham to name but a few. When I arrived home and put on the PS2 it just made me much happier.
If my mind doesn\'t like the X-Box then who am I to argue?
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Fare enough
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maindodi:
I am still amazed at how much people refuse to buy an xbox and would rather wait for a game that might not be coming out on the PS2. Also people seem to be quite happy buying PS2 version\'s of games when the xbox versions usually have better graphics and extra levels etc. Why would you keep buying the inferior product?
In the top 50 games for the PS2, most are multi platform.
If you like the PS2 controller so much you can buy an adapter for the xbox, or the s controller.
I think some people need to take off the blinkers and actually play some games on the xbox. You might find you like them.
Not quite true. Out of the 50 best selling PS2 games, at least 28 titles are better or equal as good as their multi-platform counterpart. Out of those 28 games, 15 titles are exclusive and will not be out on Xbox. Also note that I was nice, as the Xbox has far less than 35 games of the PS2 top50 at the moment. Also, if you look at the top selling games of this generation, you will see that PS2 seems to have em all and are with a few exceptions exclusive.
Also you\'re looking at it from the wrong angle: most people already have a PS2, so why buy an Xbox if ~90% (a raw estimate) of Xbox games out now are out on PS2 aswell? I\'m sorry, but 2 good (IMO) exclusive games do not justify a purchase of an Xbox for me.
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Your saying 28 multiplatform games are better on the PS2? Don\'t speak rubbish, it\'s a fact that most multiplatform games are better on the xbox.
As far as all these top selling exclusive games for the PS2? Please list the good ones.
For xbox:-
splinter cell 96%
Unreal championship 92%
Ghost recon 88%
mech assault 92%
jedi knight 2 88%
elder scrolls 3 94%
blinx 88%
for ps2
gta v/c 97%
spyro 60%
ratchet & clank 92%
simpsons skate boarding ?
burnout 2 90%
haven 74%
I have tried to list some of the top selling games that are exclusive to each console and I think the xbox exclusives are better, apart from not having gta v/c and to be honest I played it yesterday and wasn\'t overly impressed.
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Originally posted by maindodi
Your saying 28 multiplatform games are better on the PS2? Don\'t speak rubbish, it\'s a fact that most multiplatform games are better on the xbox.
As far as all these top selling exclusive games for the PS2? Please list the good ones.
For xbox:-
splinter cell 96%
Unreal championship 92%
Ghost recon 88%
mech assault 92%
jedi knight 2 88%
elder scrolls 3 94%
blinx 88%
for ps2
gta v/c 97%
spyro 60%
ratchet & clank 92%
simpsons skate boarding ?
burnout 2 90%
haven 74%
I have tried to list some of the top selling games that are exclusive to each console and I think the xbox exclusives are better, apart from not having gta v/c and to be honest I played it yesterday and wasn\'t overly impressed.
Metal Gear Solid 2 - 95-98% (Varies with different magazines)
Gran Turismo 3
Final Fantasy X
To name a few.
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Xbox is getting mgs substance,
I hate FF games
And xbox has load\'s of racing games.
Moto gp is said to be similar.
those are quite old releases, what about the new ones?
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Timesplitters 2 - Supposed to blow the crap out of Goldeneye
Red Faction 2
Coming Soon
Devil May Cry 2
And the trump card - at some point in the future we\'ll have GTA 4 and Gran Turismo 4.
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I\'m sorry, I should have worded it better. From those 28 games, 15 games are exclusive, limiting it to 13 games that are on Xbox aswell. 3 of those games are at least better or equal as good as the Xbox counterpart. That leaves 10 games for Xbox, which isn\'t taking into account that not all of those games have been portet to Xbox yet and may not be.
As far as top-selling exclusive games for PS2:
- GRAND THEFT AUTO:VICE TAKE
- KINGDOM HEARTS
- TEKKEN 4
- GRAND THEFT AUTO 3
- GRAN TURISMO 3:A-SPEC
- SOCOM:U.S. NAVY SEALS
- JAK AND DAXTER:LEGACY
- SUIKODEN III
- DEVIL MAY CRY
- TEKKEN TAG TOURNAMENT
- ATV OFF ROAD FURY
- STUNTMAN
- SLY COOPER & THIEVIUS
- BURNOUT 2: IMPACT
- WILD ARMS 3
- ONIMUSHA 2
- WIPEOUT FUSION
The games above are all taken from the October Sales (posted on GA forums / Beyond3d), so naturally, other best selling games such as Final Fantasy X, Metal Gear Solid 2, Silent Hill 2 and others aren\'t even listet.
Most importantly, the multiplatform PS2 games that have good sales that are equal if not better than their Xbox counterpart are NFS:HS 2, TimeSplitters 2, Metal Gear Solid 2 (compared to Substance), Onismusha 1 and others.
Also note that I didn\'t even bother to post games such as Ratchet & Clank because it wasn\'t in the top 100 selling games of October. Makes you wonder how many more games are missing on that list. Need I go on?
Besides, this was strictly on "best selling games", not best games as in quality. So, before you acuse me of talking rubbish nextime, please take the necessary time to research the web first. ;)
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I\'ve got timesplitters 2 for the xbox.
And I wouldn\'t bet on Gran Temismo being exclusive, unless you know something I don\'t.
I must admit I\'m disappointed at not getting Devil May Cry 2, but xbox is getting Dino crisis 3 and doom 2.
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Originally posted by shdknfvfdlvvsl
Timesplitters 2 - Supposed to blow the crap out of Goldeneye
it dose :D
TS2 better then Goldeneye and Perfect drak put togehter
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Racing games?
Gran Turimso is exclusive buddy, it\'s a Sony developer. You\'ll never ever see this game on anything other than Sony owned hardware.
Note that WRC2 game out in Europe, along with V-Rally 3 (which sold quite well), CMR3, Grand Prix Challenge and Burnout 2. Gran Tursimo Concept is also out for half the price of the full version.
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Originally posted by maindodi
Your saying 28 multiplatform games are better on the PS2? Don\'t speak rubbish, it\'s a fact that most multiplatform games are better on the xbox.
As far as all these top selling exclusive games for the PS2? Please list the good ones.
For xbox:-
splinter cell 96%
Unreal championship 92%
Ghost recon 88%
mech assault 92%
jedi knight 2 88%
elder scrolls 3 94%
blinx 88%
for ps2
gta v/c 97%
spyro 60%
ratchet & clank 92%
simpsons skate boarding ?
burnout 2 90%
haven 74%
I have tried to list some of the top selling games that are exclusive to each console and I think the xbox exclusives are better, apart from not having gta v/c and to be honest I played it yesterday and wasn\'t overly impressed.
elder scrolls 3 94%
Morrowind what with all the FOGGIng and REDARW ;)
blinx 88%
Edge described it as "Crash Bandicoot with a broken watch"
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
thats a good one were did you get the rivews TXB ?
oh and nice one Newbie
splinter cell
Unreal championship
Ghost recon
jedi knight 2
Are NOT X Box Exclusive\'s as you can get them on PC
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seven :
I only said you were talking rubbish when you said "at least 28 titles are better or equal as good as their multi-platform counterpart.
I\'m going to have a look at the site you mentioned for top selling games
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00seven:
You can\'t get them on the ps2 though.
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I can\'t believe you did\'nt know the GT series is a Sony exclusive.:confused: Whats your problem mate!!:nut: You must have thought Sonys\' devs could\'nt churn out that type of quality,eh?:D
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Originally posted by maindodi
seven :
I only said you were talking rubbish when you said "at least 28 titles are better or equal as good as their multi-platform counterpart.
I\'m going to have a look at the site you mentioned for top selling games
Here\'s the link:
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3335
Note though that these are *only* October sales in America. There are many million sellers that are missing on that list, or games that have just came out in November. Just goes to show how moot that point is. In the end, it\'s what Xbox can offer at exclusives as most people already own a PS2.
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I\'ve not got a problem with GT series. I completed 88% of the game. Eventually got bored with the endurance races etc.
GT3 is a great game.
I didn\'t know that GT4 would be exclusive, but the same was said about MGS2. Now it\'s out on the xbox.
If you want to look at future releases.
Halo 2
Doom 3
Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball
Indiana Jones and the Emperor\'s Tomb
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge
Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield
Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Tides of War
Brute Force
XIII
Soul Calibur 2
There\'s load\'s more and yes some will be multi platform but I don\'t mind.
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seven
Your right it\'s not about the games that are on both consoles, it\'s about the exclusives. I own a PS2 and if I want GT4 I\'ll get it when it comes out. The point is there are allot of great exclusives for the xbox which would make it worth the purchase. On top of that, the fact still remains if you want to consistently get the best version of a multi platform game, then you\'ve got to get a xbox.
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well maindodi, I understand your point, but this is entirely personal preference and as far I see it, Splinter Cell and Halo are the only 2 games at the moment that interest me. On top of that, Splinter Cell is coming to PC and PS2 in the future, so one game alone does not worthy a purchase for me just yet.
Also what my point about multi platform games is as follows: there are quite a few games that happen to look slightly better in average on the Xbox, but usually you need to wait longer to play those games. Now, if I buy a Xbox, there\'s the controller I can\'t stand, so I would have to buy the controller-s or an adapter. Is it worth it, baring in mind that those games aren\'t that much better looking? I tend to think no.
Also, as PS2 is the top selling console this generation, developers will naturally develop for PS2 and then port to other consoles. That means with most games, PS2 will have multi platforms first and in some cases even the better version (examples: MGS2, NFS2, SpyHunter). So if I was to buy another console, it\'s definately not because of the multi-platform games, but because of the exclusives it has to offer. Until that Doom 3 and Halo 2 comes out on Xbox, I just don\'t see me spending the money. On a side note, seeing how many games on Xbox have sevear problems holding a constant framerate, I really do wonder if Doom 3 will run smoothly. If it\'s another 30 fps game, I\'d rather get that on the PC and see how it runs.
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seven, Mech Assault should interest you as well. It\'s one of the best games this generation. And I don\'t even have XBox Live!. :)
We really need knew mods in the main forum, this should have been moved to console debate some time ago.
And Maindodi, I can\'t believe you listed Ghost Recon and Jedi Knight II as XBox exclusive :laughing:. Not to mention Spyro as one of PS2\'s best exclusive games.. seeing as it\'s horrible and available (soon) on both other consoles. :D
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Originally posted by maindodi
seven
Your right it\'s not about the games that are on both consoles, it\'s about the exclusives. I own a PS2 and if I want GT4 I\'ll get it when it comes out. The point is there are allot of great exclusives for the xbox which would make it worth the purchase. On top of that, the fact still remains if you want to consistently get the best version of a multi platform game, then you\'ve got to get a xbox.
thats not always the case
look at Timesplitters 2
Faster ..smoother and Bug free (X box version has bugs) than the NGC and X box versions.
usualy you will find that the Original version is usually the better due to the fact that the game was written for that console in mind and not just ported.
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TimeSplitters 2 has a better framerate (and graphical upgrades (such as a layer of bump-mapping when you get close to walls)) than the PS2 version.
There are rumoured bugs, but I\'ve never seen conclusive evidence (it depends on which forums you go to. XBox forums claim the PS2 version has bugs, and vice-versa).
But from all accounts, trying to play TS2 with an XBox controller is horrible. At least compared to PS2. Perhaps this is actually a bug, in that it isn\'t as accurate/sensitive as the PS2 version.
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Originally posted by maindodi
00seven:
You can\'t get them on the ps2 though.
but it still an\'t exclusive
Take Gran Theft Auto 3
it stopped being a PS2 exclusive when it was released for the PC.
remember PC\'s DO count
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
TimeSplitters 2 has a better framerate (and graphical upgrades (such as a layer of bump-mapping when you get close to walls)) than the PS2 version.
There are rumoured bugs, but I\'ve never seen conclusive evidence (it depends on which forums you go to. XBox forums claim the PS2 version has bugs, and vice-versa).
But from all accounts, trying to play TS2 with an XBox controller is horrible. At least compared to PS2. Perhaps this is actually a bug, in that it isn\'t as accurate/sensitive as the PS2 version.
yeah the reported X box bugs basicaly consern small thing\'s
like Awards not being displayed in the player stats
etc
nothing critical
but if i owned all 3 (i have PS2 and NGC) i would still choise PS2 due to the fact that i prefer the Dual Shock 2 over the S X box Controller any day.
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Rule number one when designing a console controller, the consumer doesn\'t want to have to break his hands in a car door for it to feel natural.
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The Dual Shock 2 is almost flawless in my eyes.Sony needs to tighten up the analog sticks a bit more I suppose,but it\'s still my num.#1 controller with the Snes con. at num.#2:eyemouth:
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I do have doubts as to how much stick a PS2 pad can take, FIFA killed off many triangle buttons just running, same as the X button on GTA.
But I agree, it is the best pad in comfort terms (although I haven\'t had the chance to really feck an X-Box pad yet so I can\'t tell).
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seven, Mech Assault should interest you as well. It\'s one of the best games this generation. And I don\'t even have XBox Live!.
Bobo, what kinda game is it? Something comparable to Armored Core?
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Multiplatform games aren\'t most often better on Xbox. The graphics may be better, but it\'s all down to how well the controls have been put in each version and which controller you like more.
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Originally posted by seven
Bobo, what kinda game is it? Something comparable to Armored Core?
Comparable, I guess. But they are still quite different. MA is much more based on the ground. I do prefer MA over AC. But I haven\'t played AC2. :)
Multiplatform games aren\'t most often better on Xbox. The graphics may be better, but it\'s all down to how well the controls have been put in each version and which controller you like more.
You\'ll find the controls will usually be just as easy on another controller, once you adjust to it.
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Originally posted by maindodi
I am still amazed at how much people refuse to buy an xbox and would rather wait for a game that might not be coming out on the PS2. Also people seem to be quite happy buying PS2 version\'s of games when the xbox versions usually have better graphics and extra levels etc. Why would you keep buying the inferior product?
I personally like having the best console available to play the best games available.
Don\'t get me wrong I have a PS2 aswell but it hardly gets played because the xbox has better games coming out all the time.
I wouldn\'t buy an Xbox just for a game because I refuse to support those multi-billion, monopolizing, SOB\'s. First, they buy out the company that made the game Oddworld: Munch\'s Odyssee to be an Xbox exclusive...I played every version on the PSOne and it grew to be one of my favorite games. It was a PS2 launch title and had amazing graphics and was one of the reasons I wanted to buy a PS2. I hate Microsoft. Another reason is they bought out Bungie, so that Halo could be on Xbox and not the PS2...another wonderful reason I hate Microsoft. And third, Toejam and Earl 3...the TJ&E series is one of my favorite (mostly the first...great memories...*sniff*). Then along comes Microsoft again, bludgeoning anyone who stands in their way with their gargantuan wallet. Microsoft sucks, Bill Gates sucks (has a daughter and won\'t give her a dime). Microsoft can go to he**, IMO...
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
I wouldn\'t buy an Xbox just for a game because I refuse to support those multi-billion, monopolizing, SOB\'s. First, they buy out the company that made the game Oddworld: Munch\'s Odyssee to be an Xbox exclusive...I played every version on the PSOne and it grew to be one of my favorite games. It was a PS2 launch title and had amazing graphics and was one of the reasons I wanted to buy a PS2. I hate Microsoft. Another reason is they bought out Bungie, so that Halo could be on Xbox and not the PS2...another wonderful reason I hate Microsoft. And third, Toejam and Earl 3...the TJ&E series is one of my favorite (mostly the first...great memories...*sniff*). Then along comes Microsoft again, bludgeoning anyone who stands in their way with their gargantuan wallet. Microsoft sucks, Bill Gates sucks (has a daughter and won\'t give her a dime). Microsoft can go to he**, IMO...
Yet you support Sony who have bought out just as many companies as Microsoft have.
If you love those games so much, buy an XBox, and stop whining. Besides, you can\'t prove that Microsoft paid Sega to make Toe Jam & Earl 3 exclusive to XBox.
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I really hate people who make their game console purchases into a galant strike against the evil corporation of Microsoft. If you don\'t want to buy a game from a big company....don\'t play video games.
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For those that may care. I came across some screens that are suppose to be of the ps2 version. You be the judge.
http://www.videogamersclub.com/ps2gamersonline/fusionphp/news.php?id=1929428716&mid=
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I think those might be screenshots from the PC version.
A week or so ago there were a few pictures floating around, supposedly from the PS2 version, but were later revealed to be the PC version.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
I think those might be screenshots from the PC version.
A week or so ago there were a few pictures floating around, supposedly from the PS2 version, but were later revealed to be the PC version.
Thanks BOB I was unaware of the pc pics, or I would have not posted these.
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Originally posted by EviscerationX
First, they buy out the company that made the game Oddworld: Munch\'s Odyssee to be an Xbox exclusive...I played every version on the PSOne and it grew to be one of my favorite games. It was a PS2 launch title and had amazing graphics and was one of the reasons I wanted to buy a PS2. I hate Microsoft. Another reason is they bought out Bungie, so that Halo could be on Xbox and not the PS2...another wonderful reason I hate Microsoft. And third, Toejam and Earl 3...the TJ&E series is one of my favorite (mostly the first...great memories...*sniff*).
Ever hear of a franchise called TOMB RAIDER. I was a Saturn owner and to this day I still remember the day It became an exclusive for another console. And my Saturn died.
I feel you man. I hated that company for years. Now I am a proud owner of the PS2.
No feelings will stop me from playing great games.
All of them are out there to earn a dollar or two.
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Ever hear of a franchise called TOMB RAIDER. I was a Saturn owner and to this day I still remember the day It became an exclusive for another console. And my Saturn died.
Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, etc. etc.
But the difference is, Sony didn\'t buy those. The Saturn was flopping, and the games were shifted to the most popular console. Which is why those franchises still made it to the N64 and Dreamcast.
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If you\'re worried about a monopoly in the console industry, look to Sony. They seem to be approaching that status. No monopoly is good no matter what company has that monopoly.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, etc. etc.
But the difference is, Sony didn\'t buy those. The Saturn was flopping, and the games were shifted to the most popular console. Which is why those franchises still made it to the N64 and Dreamcast.
I agree with you BH the Saturn was not the most healthy console at the time. However as for TR the original builds were for the Saturn I played the first one on that console. It was not until TR2(huge game during that period the biggest) which was to be ported to both(PSX and SAT) when SONY made the deal with Eidos.(I still have that mag, Gamepro)
That was a major blow to the SAT after that developers began to drop it like a hot potato. Result no good games no console sales. Sony was very aggressive securing third party exclusives early on. They had to because thier first party support was almost nil at the time. No one stood in thier way. Of course a floundering TR appeared on the DC years later
and on no other platform other than PC.
Sony still pulls the strings on TR. Look at Angel of Darkness or the World is not Enough. For Angel Which will be ported to PC as well when it delays for Sony it delays for PC too. The PC build for That Bond game was complete and when it scrapped for the PS2 the PC was scrapped as well. I dont even want to talk about Drakan.
My point is that Sony Really began the third party war the result has been two failed Sega consoles. After all they were up against two of the best first party companies in the market. The Saturn more popular in Japan and the DC more Popular in the US could not be sucsessful only on first party support. Without Third partys like Eidos SAT suffered without support from(PS2 first) EA DC suffered.
Yes Sega dropped the ball on both consoles and the blame for thier failures cannot be all Sonys fault but they were not just innocent bystanders either. Sega was still trying to live off thier previous sucesses but with poor finance and platfoms failing they were doomed. People never forgave them.
IMO Sonys influences went further than just buying out developers they were(and are still) the industry and when they spoke people listened. Retailers, developers, everyone. If the Sony rep told Gamespot to put thier display in the front of the store we did. Nintendo was happy with thier little niche and were no threat to Sony. Sega was because they were looking at the same type of market and Sony took any opportunity to knock them down.
No one can argue with results. Its been Sony domination to this day . Its big business and the one who carries the biggest stick sells games.
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Well.............thanks for the history lesson. ;)
I didn\'t know that they pulled exclusivity on TR in the same vein that they did Grand Theft Auto.
Another reason why people shouldn\'t complain about M$ buying up the industry, as the only reason they are complaining is because they prefer Sony over Microsoft.
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More than that Bobo. The point may be moot to many, but look at the PC industry. Of course a monopoly is bad for some very valid points, but I think not all companies have the goal to "milk the industry once they reach a monopoly". Microsoft has quite a bad influence (also a good one though) over the PC industry and I wouldn\'t like them seeing taking over the gaming industry. IMO, I\'d rather see a company like SCE, Nintendo or Sega gain that position. Not Microsoft.
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The only positive I could see from any company having a monopoly of the industry would be if it were either Sega or Sony, who would strive to innovate and progress the industry, rather than just sit on what they have.
But either way, I competition must remain.
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Originally posted by seven
More than that Bobo. The point may be moot to many, but look at the PC industry. Of course a monopoly is bad for some very valid points, but I think not all companies have the goal to "milk the industry once they reach a monopoly". Microsoft has quite a bad influence (also a good one though) over the PC industry and I wouldn\'t like them seeing taking over the gaming industry. IMO, I\'d rather see a company like SCE, Nintendo or Sega gain that position. Not Microsoft.
seven, dont you think this should apply to Sony as well. They are the electroinics giant who are just as rich and powerful as MS.
I am afraid without the X-Box it would be game over.
To explain we all know that Sony entered the console market to get back at Nintendo.(and to make money) It was Nintendo who contracted Sony to produce a CD based machine and when they were almost done Nintendo dropped them. They went on to produce the best selling console in history.
Nintendo or Sega could never compete with Sony. Too big too much money. But now that MS has entered the console market the playing field is leveling maybe giving Nintendo and Sega a chance to survive in some form. Both Sony and MS make huge money outside the gaming market.
As far as MS it was either get in or lose most of the market share they had invested in PC gaming. To explain, we all know the X-Box is the result of MS looking for a way to consolidate PC gaming or make it standard.
The reason they had to enter is because Sony was threatening that PC market with its new online uber-console. Therefore since they dont control PC manufacturers and determine how they want PCs built. To save what they could of the PC market we have the X.
Its just a big bad world and if there is one heavyweight then another should be around to keep the first in-check. Its good for competition. Otherwise he who has all the gold wins.
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Originally posted by Echo
Multiplatform games aren\'t most often better on Xbox. The graphics may be better, but it\'s all down to how well the controls have been put in each version and which controller you like more.
From looking at multiplatform games on other consoles and comparing them, they aren\'t better graphically. I don\'t think they\'d spend the time and money to make one better than the other graphic and sound wise. They are the same graphically. The only difference are the controls. Atleast that\'s what I noticed.
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Originally posted by maindodi
I am still amazed at how much people refuse to buy an xbox and would rather wait for a game that might not be coming out on the PS2. Also people seem to be quite happy buying PS2 version\'s of games when the xbox versions usually have better graphics and extra levels etc. Why would you keep buying the inferior product?
I personally like having the best console available to play the best games available.
Don\'t get me wrong I have a PS2 aswell but it hardly gets played because the xbox has better games coming out all the time.
You know why the Xbox runs better graphic (even though I don\'t notice a difference)? BECAUSE IT RUNS AT A HIGHER FRAMERATE. Just because its "better" graphically, doesn\'t make it a better console. The games so far on XB suck IMO. PS2 has a much better array of games available. You have a better range of games and they are usually quality. The reason I don\'t have and Xbox is two reasons. First off, I hate M$. Second off, I\'m not paying 200 dollars for another console. PS2 is good enough for me. I think the Xbox is the worst console of this generation. There aren\'t a whole lot of great games out there, its only aimed toward one audience, teens, hence why they are stuggling in Japan and Europe, and I think the sales of the PS2 this quarter prove it. PS2 is still outselling per quarter, even though they\'ve been out a whole year before. Especially in the US, where I live. Every time I buy M$, I\'m deadly disappointed. I\'ll admit that Xbox has some good games but I won\'t admit its the best system out.
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Someone once said that people hate MS cause its the trend and its cool...
I really wonder how many people out there even know why they hate MS...
I wonder how many of those reasons can ONLY be applied to MS and not any other giant corporation...
By the way, why is this still in the Main Forum?
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What is it, exactly, that makes Sony so special that it is alright for them to have a monopoly? Sega or Nintendo I could understand, but Sony? Did they bring anything new that no other company would have done? Maybe they added something new and I couldn\'t think of it at the moment.
Either way, if you would rather Sony have the monopoly, then I guess you are getting your wish. They were able to wait a good two years before dropping the price of the Ps2 and get away with it.
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As I had expected, my views raises a few questions so let me explain as to why I prefer Sony over Microsoft if it were to come to monopolizing the industry.
First of, let me say that I don\'t think a monopoly is very likely in near future, because consoles have a lifecycle of just around 5 years. Every 5 years, there will be something new on the market, making it possible for any company to jump in if they can secure software support. The only way I see this changing is if
consoles become upgradable (giving it a lifespan far beyond 5 years).
If this happens, which I think is highly unlikey, then we may see a similar advancement as in the PC industry we all should know so well. Now, I don\'t think this will happen because consumers wouldn\'t want that, as this sets us apart with "inferiour" PC gaming. It will be interesting to see though what will happen if Sony releases a very powerful next-gen system that will live for 7+ years. Also, technology is nearing photo-realism soon and it raises the question if hardware will be going through the same jumps in technology as we know it today. Will we need it? Probably yes, as IMO, there\'s always ways to improve and the possibilities are infinite.
As far as MS it was either get in or lose most of the market share they had invested in PC gaming. To explain, we all know the X-Box is the result of MS looking for a way to consolidate PC gaming or make it standard.
The reason they had to enter is because Sony was threatening that PC market with its new online uber-console. Therefore since they dont control PC manufacturers and determine how they want PCs built. To save what they could of the PC market we have the X.
It goes further than just DirectX. Sony is becoming a threat to the PC market not just because of superiour gaming, but because they are investing in making a TV into a consumer friendly PC environment. The arguement "why pay more for a PC if you can do the same on your TV?" may become reality sometime in the future.
So I am somewhat dodging the question, as I really think monopolizing the industry is not possible anytime soon. I do get upset though when I see a spending-friendly Microsoft willing to invest billions to get a stranglehold of the industry. Did Sony do this? No. They may have secured themselves the dominant position but never through bruteforce tactics such as buying out developers and spending ludicrous amounts of money, except in areas where it would benefit towards a competitive console. Despite Sony dominating last generation, they are the ones who made the console with the most R&D to back it up. Sony also isn\'t relying on 3rd party efforts but has built up their 1st parties which are getting really impressive results. That\'s what I like seeing, as we as the consumer will benefit in the long run from it. I\'ll be damned if Microsoft\'s influence spreads and we\'ll have Windows kernels running our future consoles.
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Originally posted by seven
I do get upset though when I see a spending-friendly Microsoft willing to invest billions to get a stranglehold of the industry. Did Sony do this? No. They may have secured themselves the dominant position but never through bruteforce tactics such as buying out developers and spending ludicrous amounts of money, except in areas where it would benefit towards a competitive console.
Microsoft was facing far more opposition when they first launched the Xbox. What competition did Sony have in 1995? Practically none. And what exactly did Sony do with ludicrous amounts of money that helped competitive consoles?
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No competition? Perhaps not when it launched, but as you may know, it was not until later that the PSX started selling like crazy. And what Sony apparently spent during those days on securing exclusives, does not qualifiy being ludicrous amounts. Also, PSX set its way through not only with those few exclusivity contracts, but the console which was better for the devs. We all know the faults of the Saturn and N64. It was simply the better console at the time which then paved the way to generation dominance.
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Even the N64 wasn\'t that much of a competitor. It started out with strong sells, but then the game droughts took their toll. Microsoft on the other hand has to compete with... well... Sony who has already had a year out of the gate no less. There is simply no comparison.
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here\'s a pretty good reader review that I found;
This "Splinter Cell" controversy is not so much the debate over one reviewer\'s "anti-xbox" agenda as it is the refusal of the entire video-gaming community to accept "Splinter-Cell" for what it really is: one of the most clever, effective, and, unfortunately, misleading AD-CAMPAIGNS in recent memory. I applaud Greg Kasavin for having the integrity to review this game objectively.
Normally, I find little merit in pointing out a game\'s flaws...video-games, like all works of art, should not be subjected to the type of negative, journalistic criticism so many movie, book, and game "reviewers" are wont to dish out. Saving a consumer fifty-bucks (or a trip to the store) hardly justifies casting such insulting dispersions when ANYBODY can rent these games and decide for themselves. Having said that, I do think that the entire Splinter-Cell debacle needs some analysis.
The level of emotion in most of these reader-reviews is unprecedented. Readers called Mr. Kasavin a "crack" addict and "stupid"; obviously, this game represents much more than just another addition to the X-Box library. The reality is that this game falls far short of the image put forth by Ubi-Soft and Microsoft, and many gamers are finding it hard to accept that glaring disparity.
My main intention here is to explore why the very idea of this game has evoked such emotion, but I think it\'s important to first look at why this game is not, as so many magazines have claimed, "a revolution" in the industry. Firstly, the graphics are on par with a lot of what I\'ve seen on other systems. Sam Fisher, the main character, does not interact with the environment smoothly. His arms go through walls and occasionally he blends in almost completely with the background (inspite of the game\'s stealth features). The trial and error nature of the game (which in my opinion was not one of Ubisoft\'s intentional innovations) was, as Mr. Kasavin says, frustrating. It\'s a continual nuisance, compounded by the poor saving mechanism. Other games, such as Metal Gear Solid 2, reward the implementation of thoughtful strategy--SC seems to punish it. In MGS2 there is a balance between time, action, and environment, and when the game requires emphasis on any one of those elements, the others become less demanding; the game is challenging without being overwhelming. And the cut-scenes in SC are poor and uneccesary. While most of these gliches do not affect the gameplay, they are enough to warrant a thorough reevaluation of Splinter-Cell\'s presumptuous title, "the greatest game ever".
But the question remains, why can\'t the majority of gamer\'s accept this? Like I said earlier, many X-Box owners are emotionally invested in the success of this game. I believe the long-standing fued between console owners (which has played beautifully into the hands and pockets of all the major video-game coorporations) has firmly secured blind allegiance to games that, judged on their own merit, are quite unspectacular. Now, from a commercial stand-point, it could be argued that this is just the consequence of capitalism and a necessary evil of big business. But on the other hand, the grotesque over-commercialization of these "highly anticipated" games is preventing some truly brilliant but slightly less glitzy games from getting any attention. And on an even more tragic level, these "fan-boy" wars are preventing the INDUSTRY of video-games from becoming an ART FORM. I\'m not suggesting that SONY, NINTENDO, and MICROSOFT turn off their ad-machines ( such a request would be useless), but rather, that video-gamers take more control of the industry and make purchases based not on "hype" but rather on actual content. Despite SC\'s less than brilliant gameplay, I\'m sure it will become one of the best-selling games this season. And while I agree with a lot of people when they say, "Who cares? Games are just for having fun!", I believe these factors, along with a number of others, are preventing video-games from getting the serious, critical attention they deserve.
I returned my copy of Splinter-Cell two days after I bought it. I found the game profoundly frustrating. Greg Kasavin\'s 8.6, in my opinion, is actually a little too generous.
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Originally posted by Event Horizon
Even the N64 wasn\'t that much of a competitor. It started out with strong sells, but then the game droughts took their toll. Microsoft on the other hand has to compete with... well... Sony who has already had a year out of the gate no less. There is simply no comparison.
Yes of course, but there was still Saturn which was very competitive at the time. But you\'re right, two different times, as it is clear that the industry has grown much larger since then also. But I still see Microsoft as a bad influence, although I don\'t mind them as they are giving the industry the necessary spice to keep \'em all competitive. :)
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Originally posted by seven
The only way I see this changing is if
consoles become upgradable (giving it a lifespan far beyond 5 years).
If this happens, which I think is highly unlikey, then we may see a similar advancement as in the PC industry we all should know so well. Now, I don\'t think this will happen because consumers wouldn\'t want that, as this sets us apart with "inferiour" PC gaming.
It goes further than just DirectX. Sony is becoming a threat to the PC market not just because of superiour gaming, but because they are investing in making a TV into a consumer friendly PC environment. The arguement "why pay more for a PC if you can do the same on your TV?" may become reality sometime in the future.
Very interesting way of looking at it. Your vision is good. Just to confirm a couple of things however. All the similar elements are here.
Consoles that can be upgraded like a PC. Consoles that can make TV a friendly PC enviroment that PCs can do now. Why pay more for a PC? Have you seen some of the prices for a good PC lately? Who is to say these new consoles would be any cheaper to upgrade to full PC funcionality?
Inferior Gaming? I think you underestimate the power of a super gaming rig. If it were possible to nail a moving target for developers you would see some games that would blow anything away out now.
What you are getting now is games that can run on the slowest system. Look how easy it is to port any console game to PC and it looks as good or better. I would dare say the opposite. PC gaming has become more popular because of the new consoles. Nobody ever talked about PC gaming as much as they do now.
And now with the new media oriented PCs(OS) and TV-PC monitors avaliable your vision is taking roots.
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Consoles that can be upgraded like a PC. Consoles that can make TV a friendly PC enviroment that PCs can do now. Why pay more for a PC? Have you seen some of the prices for a good PC lately? Who is to say these new consoles would be any cheaper to upgrade to full PC funcionality?
well, I wasn\'t exactly refering to peripheral upgrades, but system design upgrades for instance. On the PC the need of buying the newest graphicscard to play the newest game is rather expensive and a waste if you look at what\'s achievable on a dedicated architecture. Also, consoles are being sold at a loosing price and to stay competitive, I don\'t see Sony or any other company willing to try a price-tag of over $300 USD. In 2000, try finding a PC that had similar specs + a monitor with a NTSC/PAL output (we wouldn\'t want to add price by adding a monitor). If you look at it more closely, you\'ll see that there wasn\'t any consumer based PC at the time that could have competed with the PS2\'s performance (tapped or not tapped).
Inferior Gaming? I think you underestimate the power of a super gaming rig. If it were possible to nail a moving target for developers you would see some games that would blow anything away out now.
As you quoted correctly, I was refering to gaming, not graphics or anything else. With inferiour I mean costs involved of buying inefficiant/expensive upgrades, installing process, often crashes, bugs, lagging framerates at times, driver problems etc. Yes, it is inferiour compared to a plug & play console. No added cost, just insert disc and you\'ll find yourself playing seconds later.
What you are getting now is games that can run on the slowest system. Look how easy it is to port any console game to PC and it looks as good or better. I would dare say the opposite. PC gaming has become more popular because of the new consoles. Nobody ever talked about PC gaming as much as they do now.
PC gaming might have grown, but compared to the console industry, it\'s tiny small. Besides, what I was refering to goes beyond just playing games. I am talking about Sony\'s clear plans of delving into the settop boxes area. Have an entertainment system hooked up to your TV that enables internet browsing, email, simple wordprocessing. Beyond that, you\'d have a system that can communicate with other electronics such as HiFi system, Digital video cameras etc. Sony had a lot planned for PS2 already but as the market isn\'t ready, I guess we\'ll see something like this later. Why do you think Microsoft jumped into this market? Sure DirectX is an arguement, but with a settop box retailing at a much lower cost and able to run what is a casual consumers most frequantly used programs without the PC typical hassles of installing, bugs etc - I think it\'s a worthy offer. Of course for this to happen, TVs need to reach HDTV status or else this plan would already fail on resolutions alone. We\'ll see though what the future will bring.
PS. Another reason why PC gaming is inferiour, is the price that you pay for new graphic cards every 6 months. If the PC architecture was somewhat better and had less bottlenecks, you wouldn\'t have to upgrade every 6 months. Unfortunately, the PC is very bottlenecked and therefore the price to upgrade will always be higher than what you could achieve by designing a new system that\'s good for one thing: gaming.
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Originally posted by seven
If you consider though that Splinter Cell runs at half the framerate... doesn\'t seem that impressive anymore, does it? :)
This game didn\'t impress me at all. When I can see a crappy framerate like this on the advertisments, There\'s no way I can buy into it. What is the games framerate? I looks like 15 on th ecommercial ;)
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I guess we will not fully agree on all points and you make some valid ones.
In the long run I would like to see PCs remain PCs and consoles remain consoles. Both have thier advantages. Btw its not necessary to upgrade your vid-card every six months thats just for the speed freaks most games cant touch high-end vid cards now.
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since some of you think sony is becoming a monopoly and buys out companies, could you list these companies for me? thanks.
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Columbia records, columbia pictures, Epic, Tristar, Naughty Dog, Red Zone, CBS Records, still looking....
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I think he was refering to "monopoly" within the gaming industry.. ;)
The only ones I know of are:
# Naughty Dog
# Psygnosis (now named SCE Liverpool)
I\'m sure there are a few more, but none of real significance. These developers were Sony exclusive even before their takeover. Naughty Dog even wanted to belong to SCE.
I guess we will not fully agree on all points and you make some valid ones.
In the long run I would like to see PCs remain PCs and consoles remain consoles. Both have thier advantages. Btw its not necessary to upgrade your vid-card every six months thats just for the speed freaks most games cant touch high-end vid cards now.
Well, I guess I was exaggerating just a little... :D Anyway, I guess we\'ll just have to see what the future brings...
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MS bought: Rare and Bungie. Both wanted to be bought as well, or MS wouldn\'t own them. And Psygnosis was not exclusive until they were owned. They made Discworld and a wipeout on Saturn and wipeout 64. I\'m sure there are more. Sony\'s hands are no cleaner than MS\'s.
Oh, and Splinter Cell is being downgraded for PS2, so if you aren\'t impressed, you must really be unimpressed with every PS2 game. SC kicks ass, the fanboys who want to exaggerate non-issues with the game can suck it.
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:rolleyes:
oh, and :rolleyes:
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I don\'t expect you to be any less a sheeple fanboy than you were before. I forgive you.
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fanboy?
listen kid, god forbid you might have learned something in yer absence
this never became a playground for you in case u need reminded
<---- sega whore (please get it right)
and wtf is sheeple?
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If you were a Sega whore, you\'d be on a Xbox forum.
Sheeple is you. :)
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hmmm, so we make up words to try and insult people?
xbox forum? like teamxbox? *shudder*
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Well, from the quality of posts I remember, and the quality of posts I\'ve seen in the last 24 hours, TXB isn\'t that bad. At least there are more posts to reply to regularly.
And no, I didn\'t create the word Sheeple. I wish I had though... I\'d be rich I tells you, rich!
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Originally posted by mm
hmmm, so we make up words to try and insult people?
xbox forum? like teamxbox? *shudder*
hey why don\'t you post their ?
:rolleyes: ;)
/me vomits for saying that ;)
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:rolleyes:
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TXB has fanboys, you guys have fanboys. Don\'t act like this forum is special. This very thread is by fanboys, for fanboys.
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Originally posted by EThuggV2
And no, I didn\'t create the word Sheeple. I wish I had though... I\'d be rich I tells you, rich!
hey do you Yanks Do Care in the Community ?
Care in the Community = were you allow the mentally ill to live in the community and monitored and cared by the community.
please excuse me for using the Word Yank...if it makes you feal better then call me a mad Raving Drunken Jock\'o
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personally,. i dont even know what a fanboy is
i would say its a young teenager that only owns one console (bought by his parents) that suffers from console envy and trolls message boards to attempt to make himself look knowledgable
wait, i just described ethugg!
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Funny, because I own my own house and have all 4 systems. Oh, and I\'m well past drinking age. Odd, that sounds nothing like your description of me. And here I thought you knew me... :(
ooseven... I have no idea.
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honestly, i dont think i would ever want to "know" you
(not that i remotely believe what you just said)
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So you, some faceless nobody on the internet, is taking it upon yourself to not only assume what my life is like, but to go on by saying I\'m outright lying about my own life that you have no way of ever possibly knowing about? Yea, your the height of fair unbias maturity. :rolleyes:
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MS bought: Rare and Bungie. Both wanted to be bought as well, or MS wouldn\'t own them. And Psygnosis was not exclusive until they were owned. They made Discworld and a wipeout on Saturn and wipeout 64. I\'m sure there are more. Sony\'s hands are no cleaner than MS\'s.
Those games you mentioned were portet to Saturn - and after sales decreased, it didn\'t make much difference as support for Saturn decreased slowly. As for Rare - that\'s wrong: Nintendo wanted them sold, quite a few developers aren\'t happy about what happened.
Oh, and Splinter Cell is being downgraded for PS2, so if you aren\'t impressed, you must really be unimpressed with every PS2 game.
You mean downgraded like MGS2:Substance for Xbox? :D
As for your general behaviour on this thread: people like you should get banned from this forum. You just ruined a mature discussion. Go back to TeamXbox or where ever you came from.
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so yer saying im was right then, thanks
i have a great memory as well, :)
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seven:
Not that I\'m don\'t believe you, but where does it say that MGS substance is being downgraded for the xbox?
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Originally posted by maindodi
seven:
Not that I\'m don\'t believe you, but where does it say that MGS substance is being downgraded for the xbox?
Downgraded is a poor choice of word
more like " remain" the Same as the PS2 version.
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It\'ll be designed with all platforms in mind rather than writing the same game three times over.
I\'ve heard that that if you stand still outside on the tanker deck and watch the rain it slows down painfully as the code was basically ported across from PS2 without being re-written.
They\'d have to try bloody hard to beat MGS2 on PS2 though IMO.
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I\'ve never actually seen a multi platform game that is worse on the xbox. Maybe this will be a first for me. I\'ve usually found game play is the same on all versions & some times you get better graphics and bump mapping etc. on the xbox versions.
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Originally posted by maindodi
I\'ve never actually seen a multi platform game that is worse on the xbox. Maybe this will be a first for me. I\'ve usually found game play is the same on all versions & some times you get better graphics and bump mapping etc. on the xbox versions.
yeah but with a VERY high Installed Userbase, the PS2 usually wins as developers want to impress the masses.
Timesplitters 2 = written for the PS2 and Ported to X box and NGC
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00seven:-
A quote from IGN.com
Time splitters 2 review.
Also, Free Radical seems to have, at some points anyway, upgraded the Xbox version\'s texture quality over the PS2 original. Although not quite as dramatic as in Halo, some of the textures that fill levels draw in detail as gamers approach them. It\'s very well done and when it\'s used it looks great. The problem is that for some odd reason this doesn\'t happen for all levels, or indeed for even all environments; on average, gamers can walk through any given room and find some walls with crisp, defined skins and others blurrier.
I\'t not a major improvement but it\'s still an improvement.
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Originally posted by maindodi
seven:
Not that I\'m don\'t believe you, but where does it say that MGS substance is being downgraded for the xbox?
Appologies - while the game might not have been downgraded, I should have worded it differently, as the Xbox version chockes on many effects. Basically the same thing...
I\'ve never actually seen a multi platform game that is worse on the xbox. Maybe this will be a first for me. I\'ve usually found game play is the same on all versions & some times you get better graphics and bump mapping etc. on the xbox versions.
Go play some SpyHunter, Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit 2 or... well, yeah, MGS: Substance.
EDIT: edited CONTENT.
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I\'m not interested in spyhunter. It wasn\'t the best of games. I\'ve played need for speed: hot pursuit for the xbox and it played fine. Graphics were all right and the speed of the game was fast. It was only a mediocre game though.
I\'ve still to see MGS2 substance. I would imagine they might add some extra\'s for the xbox, I might be wrong.
I won\'t list the games that are better on the xbox, but there are a good few.
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Originally posted by maindodi
00seven:-
A quote from IGN.com
Time splitters 2 review.
Also, Free Radical seems to have, at some points anyway, upgraded the Xbox version\'s texture quality over the PS2 original. Although not quite as dramatic as in Halo, some of the textures that fill levels draw in detail as gamers approach them. It\'s very well done and when it\'s used it looks great. The problem is that for some odd reason this doesn\'t happen for all levels, or indeed for even all environments; on average, gamers can walk through any given room and find some walls with crisp, defined skins and others blurrier.
I\'t not a major improvement but it\'s still an improvement.
i was talking about the Frame rate Free Radical used the performance Analyser in the PS2 production.
and if youi read that quote it supports the argument of X box ports being "problematic" at best
TS2 "better" Textures lead to Inconstancies
Silent Hll 2 with the removal of the Camer "White noise" lead to a poorer looking version on the X box than it was on the PS2.
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Originally posted by maindodi
I won\'t list the games that are better on the xbox, but there are a good few.
it wouldn\'t be relevant anyway, because Xbox has it\'s features layed out more open than PS2. In other words, Xbox is far easier to tap, which is why 90% of the multiplatform games look better on that console. Ports aside, technically, both have their strenghts and weaknesses and so it\'s hard to say one is superiour when in fact it\'s simply not the case.
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Oh and as for TimeSplitters 2 - it having better textures on Xbox does not suprise me. Admittadly, Xbox is better in texturing. It\'s the difference between the two that would be interesting.
I could imagine though that PS2 has a significant real world advantage in geometry output and effects though.
Can anyone comment on this, perhaps in TimeSplitters 2?
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I\'ve played timesplitters 2 too death and I\'ve never noticed any framerate drop. It\'s a fast paced game that play\'s fine on the xbox. I\'ll have to disagree with you about the added textures. I think improved textures on some levels are better than none.
I played Silent Hill 2 on the PS2 and I personally wasn\'t a big fan of the white noise. I think it was an easy way of making it look realistic and hide some of the not so great graphics I hope silent hill 3 looks better and has no white noise.
Any way I\'ve got to go so I\'ll probably get back to you tomorrow.
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i loved the white noise in SH2
playing it without, didnt seem right
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I\'ll have to disagree with you about the added textures. I think improved textures on some levels are better than none.
With what exactly are you disagreeing? I even said the Xbox has a better texturing ability - but it\'s the difference that would be interesting! So what did I say that you don\'t quite agree with?
I think it was an easy way of making it look realistic and hide some of the not so great graphics
Your assumption is incorrect, as the effect can be disabled after having completed the game.
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Originally posted by seven
As for Rare - that\'s wrong: Nintendo wanted them sold, quite a few developers aren\'t happy about what happened.
Not one developer (I assume you mean programmer?) has stated any dissatisfaction with the deal in and varifiable of public way. The *only* thing you could have to go on are the rumors at the very begining that a few programmers were pissed... you know, the rumors that went along with \'The Stamper brothers are pissed and are leaving Rare\'. It was never proven that those were anything but rumors, and if the pictures of the Stamers with Ed Fries smiling is any indication, Stampers are happy too.
You mean downgraded like MGS2:Substance for Xbox? :D[/B]
Yes.
As for your general behaviour on this thread: people like you should get banned from this forum. You just ruined a mature discussion. Go back to TeamXbox or where ever you came from. [/B]
I came from here, and have returned to here. I got banned from TeamXbox. I\'ve been banned from The Next Level. I was even banned from here... 3x. I\'m sorry you don\'t like my posts... oh wait, I don\'t give a shit at all. Oh well...
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Originally posted by maindodi
I\'ve never actually seen a multi platform game that is worse on the xbox. Maybe this will be a first for me. I\'ve usually found game play is the same on all versions & some times you get better graphics and bump mapping etc. on the xbox versions.
Spy Hunter, Need For Speed HP2, MGS2:S and one other I\'m forgetting are all worse on XB.
Spy Hunter: Too dark, muddier textures, I think it had a worse framerate too. (Does have original game as a bonus though...)
NFSHP2: Uglier, worse controls, no snazzy camera effects. Bleh.
MGS2:S: This is pretty minor, but it\'s there. Slowdown. Noticable on the tanker and a few other spots, due to the fact the engine was (as mentioned) just directly ported.
Genma Onimusha also had darker washed out backgrounds, but IMO had enough new extras to outweigh this.
Edit: Sorry seven... I should have read to the end before replying...
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Originally posted by ooseven
Silent Hll 2 with the removal of the Camer "White noise" lead to a poorer looking version on the X box than it was on the PS2.
Umm... the noise is in it, and on by default. The only difference is you can now chose to turn it off. I did, because bad reception isn\'t a feature IMO.
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MGS2:S: This is pretty minor, but it\'s there. Slowdown. Noticable on the tanker and a few other spots, due to the fact the engine was (as mentioned) just directly ported.
I will agree that the port *might* not fully utilize what Xbox is capable of, but direct ported and not taken advantage of are two different things. I\'m betting on the latter one.
I came from here, and have returned to here. I got banned from TeamXbox. I\'ve been banned from The Next Level. I was even banned from here... 3x. I\'m sorry you don\'t like my posts... oh wait, I don\'t give a shit at all. Oh well..
Well, as long as you back up your points and keep this discussion going on intelligantly, then I have nothing against you. :)
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banned from teamxbox?!?!?!
jebus! i didnt think they banned anyone from that shithole short of posting beastiality porn
ethugg, please dont think for one second i cant have you banned from here again. i dont have a problem with you posting here, but i will not have you treat this is yer playground to troll around in
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I finally got Splinter Cell. The difficulty is much higher than in your average game, but the graphics are simply superb. I haven\'t seen any framerate problems so far.
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Originally posted by maindodi
I am still amazed at how much people refuse to buy an xbox and would rather wait for a game that might not be coming out on the PS2. Also people seem to be quite happy buying PS2 version\'s of games when the xbox versions usually have better graphics and extra levels etc. Why would you keep buying the inferior product?
I personally like having the best console available to play the best games available.
Don\'t get me wrong I have a PS2 aswell but it hardly gets played because the xbox has better games coming out all the time.
While I am ok with people having there own console preferance, I m absolutly discusted when its over sheer power and graphical ability.
A console is only as good as its line up of games. When I walk into circuit city and see an entire shelf devoted to PS2 games, and another shelf devoted to XBOX games, GC games, and Perhiperals for both, I know I made the right decision in getting PS2 over the competition (or lack of)
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Originally posted by MyStiKaL
since some of you think sony is becoming a monopoly and buys out companies, could you list these companies for me? thanks.
Originally posted by seven
The only ones I know of are:
# Naughty Dog
# Psygnosis (now named SCE Liverpool)
I\'m sure there are a few more, but none of real significance. These developers were Sony exclusive even before their takeover. Naughty Dog even wanted to belong to SCE.
Naughty Dog, Psygnosis, Insomniac, Red Zone, Zipper Interactive, Sucker Punch, Rainbow, Killer Five, Incognito Studios, Cambridge Studios - and some that I\'ve missed.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Naughty Dog, Psygnosis, Insomniac, Red Zone, Zipper Interactive, Sucker Punch, Rainbow, Killer Five, Incognito Studios, Cambridge Studios - and some that I\'ve missed.
I think we were only counting 2nd parties? Surely Cambrigde is a 1st party... and I still think that the devs Sony did buy out had no real significance on the competition.
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You only listed 2 that you know of, I was informing you that there were more.
:)