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Post by: CHIZZY on December 20, 2002, 09:23:58 AM
Yesterday, I went to shoot some pigeons that were outside my office window and about 2 floors up. I had to lean sideways out the window to get a shot at them. I shot one with my high-powered pellet gun, and the other one took off, knocking all the icicles above me down. In my hurry to pull my head back in the window to avoid being skewered, I slipped and broke a rib on the windowsill.

It hurts like hell, but at least the other pigeon flew in a circle and came back. I walked outside and plugged him too.

Filthy little buggers shit in our air-conditioners.
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Post by: kopking on December 20, 2002, 09:34:31 AM
rofl, man u got some bad luck....lol, that is funny, ur bones must be weak. drink some milk man
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Post by: CHIZZY on December 20, 2002, 09:46:44 AM
I thought there was calcium in beer.... now I see the error in my ways....
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Post by: Coredweller on December 20, 2002, 10:03:59 AM
You had it coming to you sucker!  Didn\'t you know pigeons are God\'s creatures also?  :rolleyes: :laughing:
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Post by: Kurt Angle on December 20, 2002, 10:27:19 AM
That must hurt like hell.
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Post by: Luke on December 20, 2002, 11:37:51 AM
i just expect stuff like this from now CHIZZ.
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Post by: EThuggV2 on December 20, 2002, 11:43:00 AM
Well I\'m gay.
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Post by: Halberto on December 20, 2002, 12:01:01 PM
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Originally posted by LUKE
i just expect stuff like this from now CHIZZ.



:confused: Did kopking get Luke\'s password?
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Post by: Unicron! on December 20, 2002, 12:17:08 PM
I hate people that torture animals.These should teach u a lesson.:)
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Post by: CHIZZY on December 20, 2002, 12:45:20 PM
I didn\'t torture them, I killed them. Very quickly, too. They never knew what hit them.
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Post by: Big Log on December 20, 2002, 07:38:25 PM
Nice shot bro.  What\'s the distance?  I\'m looking to get rid of a squirrel or two if you are ever in the Tampa area.
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Post by: Luke on December 20, 2002, 07:41:01 PM
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Originally posted by ViVi



:confused: Did kopking get Luke\'s password?



hahaha!


man, i need to lay off the grass.
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Post by: Big Log on December 20, 2002, 07:44:08 PM
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Originally posted by Unicron!
I hate people that torture animals.These should teach u a lesson.:)


Pigeons are a nuisance animal according to section 3.42 paragraph 8.

Plus I\'m sure Chizzy ate the thing.
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Post by: Rya on December 20, 2002, 10:00:31 PM
Yeah...i\'m sure you\'re in as much pain as the bird you shot.  Those who tote around a gun shooting animals should never be around children.  :evil:
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Post by: Unicron! on December 21, 2002, 03:48:02 AM
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
I didn\'t torture them, I killed them. Very quickly, too. They never knew what hit them.


Oh its ok then:D
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Post by: Bobs_Hardware on December 21, 2002, 03:54:41 AM
:(

Thought it was gonna be about John Lennon :(
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Post by: Bjorn on December 21, 2002, 04:59:36 AM
don\'t like people that kill other living creatures for pleasure...
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Post by: CHIZZY on December 21, 2002, 07:04:45 AM
*sigh*

The pigeons shit all over our air conditioning units. Meaning that if we don\'t pay hundreds of dollars every other week to have them power-washed, we will be breathing in bacteria-laden pigeon shit air come summer. There has not been a pigeon on my building in 8 months. I shoot a couple and the rest avoid the building. I don\'t giggle like a schoolgirl when I do this, it just needs to be done. Besides, the city in which I live could use a couple million less pigeons IMO. There are so many, and there are no natural predators to thin them out that they all starve and freeze to death come winter. It\'s not like I\'m Ted f*ckin\' Nugent or something...

Though anyone who shoots a flaming arrow into a guitar onstage IS pretty cool.....

It\'s funny how me plugging a couple of filthy pigeons makes everyone sick here, yet the daily dose of virtual assplay is allowed to continue unmolested. (pun intended...  :D )
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Post by: Ryu on December 21, 2002, 08:34:48 AM
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It\'s funny how me plugging a couple of filthy pigeons makes everyone sick here, yet the daily dose of virtual assplay is allowed to continue unmolested. (pun intended...  )


If we were to go and post in every thread where this occurred, my post count would be several thousand higher and I nor anyone else, has the time to attack each and every instance of it.  But there are few posts about people knocking off defenseless animals, so we choose our battles wisely. :)
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Post by: Jumpman on December 21, 2002, 08:40:01 AM
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
:(

Thought it was gonna be about John Lennon :(

Wtf gave you that impression?
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Post by: Bobs_Hardware on December 21, 2002, 08:42:32 AM
Instant Karma is my favorite John Lennon song.
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Post by: kopking on December 21, 2002, 01:59:02 PM
yeah at first i thought it was gonna be about john lennon too, instant karma is cool, my fave is jealos guy
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Post by: square_marker on December 21, 2002, 02:28:01 PM
poor poor chizzy.
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Post by: Unicron! on December 21, 2002, 04:15:46 PM
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
*sigh*
 Besides, the city in which I live could use a couple million less pigeons IMO. There are so many, and there are no natural predators to thin them out that they all starve and freeze to death come winter. It\'s not like I\'m Ted f*ckin\' Nugent or something...


Personally I want to start sniping people pecause there are billions of them out there polluting and destroying the earth, cause wars, steal, kill each other, consume water etc without any physical predators to control the human population.
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Post by: Bobs_Hardware on December 21, 2002, 04:26:42 PM
*slowly backs away from Unicron!*
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Post by: CHIZZY on December 21, 2002, 08:30:22 PM
/me shoots Unicron! with a pellet gun
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Post by: luckee on December 22, 2002, 04:54:37 AM
I hope those that are complaining dont eat meat, chicken or fish and only consume naturally grown items.
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Post by: Bobs_Hardware on December 22, 2002, 05:58:51 AM
At least those are killed for the purpose of feeding.

Unless Chizzy ate the pidgeons he killed, the comparison is hardly accurate.
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Post by: CHIZZY on December 22, 2002, 06:00:40 AM
mmmmmmm.......... roasted squab....
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Post by: kopking on December 22, 2002, 07:35:53 AM
i hate pigeons, rats with wings
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Post by: EThuggV2 on December 22, 2002, 08:07:50 AM
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Originally posted by Unicron!


Personally I want to start sniping people pecause there are billions of them out there polluting and destroying the earth, cause wars, steal, kill each other, consume water etc without any physical predators to control the human population.


I\'m with you. Humans are a much bigger pest than any birds.
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Post by: EThuggV2 on December 22, 2002, 08:09:47 AM
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Originally posted by luckee
I hope those that are complaining dont eat meat, chicken or fish and only consume naturally grown items.


I\'m a vegan, that good enough for you?
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Post by: CHIZZY on December 22, 2002, 08:19:26 AM
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Originally posted by EThuggV2


I\'m a vegan, that good enough for you?


I\'m sure nobody cares. Why don\'t you do us all a favor and stop eating vegetables and grains too........
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Post by: shockwaves on December 22, 2002, 08:42:36 AM
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Originally posted by luckee
I hope those that are complaining dont eat meat, chicken or fish and only consume naturally grown items.


That isn\'t better.  Do you know how many animals are killed, accidentally or not, in the crop growing and harvesting process?  Or the types of effects the chemicals used on crops have on the surrounding environments.  I think eating meat is actually better.  That way you are at least doing something with the animals killed, not leaving them to rot, something that is done to the millions of animals killed yearly in the growing of these "natural" crops.

Humans are natural predators.  We were hunters long before we were crop growers.  To deny this is the only thing that\'s unnatural.
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Post by: EThuggV2 on December 22, 2002, 08:51:53 AM
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Originally posted by CHIZZY


I\'m sure nobody cares. Why don\'t you do us all a favor and stop eating vegetables and grains too........


I\'m sure I was answering a question, JIZZY.
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Post by: EThuggV2 on December 22, 2002, 08:55:02 AM
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Originally posted by shockwaves


That isn\'t better.  Do you know how many animals are killed, accidentally or not, in the crop growing and harvesting process?  Or the types of effects the chemicals used on crops have on the surrounding environments.  I think eating meat is actually better.  That way you are at least doing something with the animals killed, not leaving them to rot, something that is done to the millions of animals killed yearly in the growing of these "natural" crops.

Humans are natural predators.  We were hunters long before we were crop growers.  To deny this is the only thing that\'s unnatural.


Can I borrow your time machine that you used to find this out? I really have some historical figures I need to meet.

I didn\'t know there were chemicals in my garden... I bet it\'s my neighbor, that bastard has been against me from day one!
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Post by: shockwaves on December 22, 2002, 08:56:45 AM
Are you telling me you personally grow everything you eat?  If you are trying to say that, I\'ll laugh.

And are you trying to deny that we were hunters before we were farmers?  If you are, I will once again laugh.
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Post by: EThuggV2 on December 22, 2002, 09:02:49 AM
I would say if they were hunters, it was by choice. Our piss poor canine teeth, and our well developed molars alone prove we aren\'t natural predators. Scavengers perhaps.

And no, I don\'t grow my own food. \'Millions\' of animals aren\'t killed by farming either. I can pull numbers out of my ass too. The number of animals that are killed by accident is much fewer than you murderers kill on purpose. And I would rather try my odds at running away from a large slow machine than be born and die with no chance to survive being force fed drugs.
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Post by: Titan on December 22, 2002, 09:20:29 AM
We were always predators. We don\'t need canines anymore because we aren\'t predators but rather, 100,000 years ago, we used spears and bows to kill our food.. We are still hunters however. Guns and bows are our tools of hunting. People still hunt and kill animals for food and sport. I personally don\'t see a problem with it. We slaughter eachother in wars and we are animals too. Whats a couple less pigeons in the world gonna do? Pigeons are rodents with wings and we can do without a few in this world.
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Post by: Bobs_Hardware on December 22, 2002, 09:26:45 AM
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We don\'t need canines anymore because we aren\'t predators


Canines are used to tear through meat.. not hunt prey.  And they are just as under-developed now, as they ever were.
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Post by: Titan on December 22, 2002, 09:31:39 AM
Good point bob. Sorry, forgot to fix that when I redid my post. But our wisdom teeth thousands of years ago had a use. But today we don\'t need them so they are evolving away. Same with our appendix. We used to need that to digest glucose. We don\'t need it anymore so its evolving away.
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Post by: Bobs_Hardware on December 22, 2002, 09:40:07 AM
...How exactly are they evolving away?  We still have them.

And even then, your (original) post didn\'t really make much of a point :p
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Post by: Titan on December 22, 2002, 09:42:54 AM
I mean they are evolving away by them getting smaller :)
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Post by: Bobs_Hardware on December 22, 2002, 09:46:16 AM
Well out brains are smaller than Neanderthal mans\' brain!!
OMG OUR BRAINS ARE EVOLVING AWAY!!1 :nut: :sconf: :nut:
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Post by: Titan on December 22, 2002, 09:47:51 AM
Actually, theirs was smaller. That\'s why we wiped them out (supposedly). They couldn\'t communicate like us. Something about a gene they lacked. Owned :p
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Post by: mjps21983 on December 22, 2002, 10:02:53 AM
Well it\'s not like the man slaughtered 100\'s of them, knocking off two to show the rest to stay the hell away, is just mandatory, if deers start coming through your land and eating shit everywhere and destroying things, you have the right to take a few out, may not be right morally, but some things have to be done to keep things in order
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Post by: Bobs_Hardware on December 22, 2002, 10:15:12 AM
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Actually, theirs was smaller. That\'s why we wiped them out (supposedly). They couldn\'t communicate like us. Something about a gene they lacked. Owned


No, their brains were physically larger than ours.  As well as their heads.  :)  In fact our heads are smaller than they were a couple thousand years ago.

See, now we\'ve taken this topic off on some wild tangent. :mad:
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Post by: Jumpman on December 22, 2002, 10:52:38 AM
^That is correct. The brain of a neanderthal is 10% larger than a brain of a homo-sapien. It is one of the few things I\'ve learnt in school last year. :p
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Post by: shockwaves on December 22, 2002, 11:06:35 AM
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Originally posted by EThuggV2
I would say if they were hunters, it was by choice. Our piss poor canine teeth, and our well developed molars alone prove we aren\'t natural predators. Scavengers perhaps.

And no, I don\'t grow my own food. \'Millions\' of animals aren\'t killed by farming either. I can pull numbers out of my ass too. The number of animals that are killed by accident is much fewer than you murderers kill on purpose. And I would rather try my odds at running away from a large slow machine than be born and die with no chance to survive being force fed drugs.


Look at any timeline of human history, and you\'ll see for the vast majority of our time here on earth...as in maybe 99% of it, we were hunters and gatherers.  Meat has always been a main part of our diet.  We didn\'t kill with our teeth, but our teeth clearly are ideal for ripping apart meat on an already killed animal.

And yes, millions of animals are killed by farming.  And I\'m not pulling these numbers out of my ass.  You want sources?  How about the fact that 90% of the ten million pheasants born in the U.S. annually are killed by harvesting machines.  (source (http://www.furcommission.com/news/newsA3.htm))  That alone is 9 million animals killed annually by harvesting processes, and that\'s only one species.  That doesn\'t even take into account the millions of rabbits, rodents, snakes, etc. that are also killed by agricultural combines.  So yes, millions, upon millions of animals are killed yearly to produce the vegetables you eat.  Then, you think you have the right to look down on those who eat meat?  At least the animals that died to make my meal aren\'t simply left to rot in the fields.
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Post by: kopking on December 22, 2002, 01:20:00 PM
humans are predators, we have eyes in the front of our faces, so we can judge distances.....


prey have eyes on the side of there faces, like say horses etc etc
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Post by: clowd on December 22, 2002, 01:30:28 PM
Sort of reminds me of Ace Ventura Pet Detective 2 when Jim Carrey is eating that carcass with those lions :laughing:
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Post by: shockwaves on December 22, 2002, 01:54:50 PM
Jim Carrey rules.  I can\'t wait for Bruse Almighty.  That movie looks funny as hell.
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Post by: luckee on December 22, 2002, 03:12:18 PM
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Originally posted by shockwaves


That isn\'t better.  Do you know how many animals are killed, accidentally or not, in the crop growing and harvesting process?  Or the types of effects the chemicals used on crops have on the surrounding environments.  I think eating meat is actually better.  That way you are at least doing something with the animals killed, not leaving them to rot, something that is done to the millions of animals killed yearly in the growing of these "natural" crops.

Humans are natural predators.  We were hunters long before we were crop growers.  To deny this is the only thing that\'s unnatural.


I know, that was my next response after someone would reply to me

Damn you!!! :D
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Post by: shockwaves on December 22, 2002, 05:15:18 PM
:)

Another thing you murderous vegetarians/vegans may wanna read: Read me (http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html)

And perhaps an even better one: Now read me (http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com/animalrights/leastharm.htm)

When you boil it all down, you vegetarians who think you\'re better than everyone else for not eating animals are simply ignorant, nothing more.

The second artical, which was a study originally in the Proceedings of Third Congress of the European Society for Agricultural and Food Ethics, 2001, projects that 1.2 billion animals are killed annually in the agricultural process that produces what a vegetarian eats, as compared to the 0.9 billion animals killed for the consumption of their meat.  By this study, eating meat is actually better for animals.  Makes ya think, doesn\'t it?

So yeah, Ethugg, who\'s pulling what out of their ass now?
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Post by: Titan on December 22, 2002, 06:02:45 PM
I think animal rights people and people who are vegitarians that are so against eating animals are crocks.
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Post by: CHIZZY on December 22, 2002, 06:53:48 PM
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Originally posted by Titan
I think animal rights people and people who are vegitarians that are so against eating animals are crocks.


I\'m with you......... I think they just do it for attention.
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Post by: Mr. Kennedy on December 22, 2002, 06:58:02 PM
I think I\'m do for some rewards...  I\'ve been good lately. :)
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Post by: Samwise on December 23, 2002, 01:37:14 AM
LOL shockwaves, you SO f*cking rock!
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Post by: Titan on December 23, 2002, 09:00:45 AM
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Originally posted by CHIZZY


I\'m with you......... I think they just do it for attention.


Exactly. Funny thing is I think it was PETA that was giving out free tofu turkeys around New Jersey at Thanksgiving (I heard this on the radio). People who actually tried them said it tasted like shit. They won\'t even feed them to the dogs. PETA also sent one up to Madden during the Thanksgiving game. I think he even wouldn\'t touch it.
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Post by: Unicron! on December 23, 2002, 03:08:52 PM
I say lets start eating people.
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Post by: CHIZZY on December 23, 2002, 04:27:58 PM
mmmmmmmm....soylent green......
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Post by: Titan on December 23, 2002, 04:46:52 PM
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Originally posted by Unicron!
I say lets start eating people.


*takes unicron, sticks an apple in his mouth and starts a fire. put him on a rotisserie and dance around like an idiot* :)
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Post by: SirMystiq on December 23, 2002, 05:16:20 PM
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Originally posted by Unicron!


Personally I want to start sniping people pecause there are billions of them out there polluting and destroying the earth, cause wars, steal, kill each other, consume water etc without any physical predators to control the human population.



^^WORD
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Post by: Unicron! on December 24, 2002, 02:53:07 AM
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Originally posted by Titan


*takes unicron, sticks an apple in his mouth and starts a fire. put him on a rotisserie and dance around like an idiot* :)


LOL:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

THERE IS NO MISTAKE IN THIS ONE!!!!LOL:laughing:
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Post by: Titan on December 24, 2002, 08:44:42 AM
What? The fact that I\'m an idiot? :confused:
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Post by: Unicron! on December 24, 2002, 10:51:19 AM
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Originally posted by Titan
What? The fact that I\'m an idiot? :confused:


No.The whole thing:).I liked the way you replied back.lol:laughing:


Not that you arent an idiot:D

*Unicron! runs away from Titan to avoid getting eaten*

j\\k:)
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Post by: Ryu on December 24, 2002, 11:50:06 AM
I wonder where Ethugg ran off to?  Gone to harvest his crops/animals?  ;)
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Post by: shockwaves on December 24, 2002, 11:56:56 AM
Seems that way.  But he\'ll be back, don\'t worry.

The murderer always returns to the scene of the crime :D
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Post by: EThuggV2 on December 27, 2002, 06:43:47 PM
I\'ve been busy, I do have a life you know ppl. :p

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Originally posted by shockwaves


Look at any timeline of human history, and you\'ll see for the vast majority of our time here on earth...as in maybe 99% of it, we were hunters and gatherers.  Meat has always been a main part of our diet.  We didn\'t kill with our teeth, but our teeth clearly are ideal for ripping apart meat on an already killed animal.


Meat has been there by choice, not for any natural reason. And if we don\'t have natural means to get it, bows and guns aren\'t natural, then humans naturally at best are scavengers. We are NOT natural hunters. Our teeth are barely capable of ripping flesh, they are not made for it in any way. Pandas and gorillas that are vegan have very small \'canine\' teeth like us, they are not there for tearing meat.

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And yes, millions of animals are killed by farming.  And I\'m not pulling these numbers out of my ass.  You want sources?  How about the fact that 90% of the ten million pheasants born in the U.S. annually are killed by harvesting machines.  (source (http://www.furcommission.com/news/newsA3.htm))  That alone is 9 million animals killed annually by harvesting processes, and that\'s only one species.  That doesn\'t even take into account the millions of rabbits, rodents, snakes, etc. that are also killed by agricultural combines.  So yes, millions, upon millions of animals are killed yearly to produce the vegetables you eat.  Then, you think you have the right to look down on those who eat meat?  At least the animals that died to make my meal aren\'t simply left to rot in the fields. [/B]


Nowhere in that link is a real, credible source included, and even the most comprehensive study could not know the actual number, ithe number would be IMPOSSIBLE to figure out. And purposfully killing an animal from a great distancse using (some) stealth, they never had a chance, plus there\'s intent. Killing a unknown quantity of animals using a slow, insanely loud, harvesting machine because for some stupid reason, they didn\'t move, is an entirely different story. You could compare the 2 maybe if for 5 minutes before shooting at the deer you yelled and walked toward it.
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Post by: EThuggV2 on December 27, 2002, 06:47:15 PM
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Originally posted by shockwaves
:)

Another thing you murderous vegetarians/vegans may wanna read: Read me (http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html)

And perhaps an even better one: Now read me (http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com/animalrights/leastharm.htm)

When you boil it all down, you vegetarians who think you\'re better than everyone else for not eating animals are simply ignorant, nothing more.

The second artical, which was a study originally in the Proceedings of Third Congress of the European Society for Agricultural and Food Ethics, 2001, projects that 1.2 billion animals are killed annually in the agricultural process that produces what a vegetarian eats, as compared to the 0.9 billion animals killed for the consumption of their meat.  By this study, eating meat is actually better for animals.  Makes ya think, doesn\'t it?

So yeah, Ethugg, who\'s pulling what out of their ass now?


I\'m happy to see you are trying to put forth projections (IE: guesses) as fact. What I said about the last link applies here as well.
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Post by: EThuggV2 on December 27, 2002, 06:48:25 PM
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Originally posted by Titan
I think animal rights people and people who are vegitarians that are so against eating animals are crocks.


Very good. Here\'s a cookie.
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Post by: EThuggV2 on December 27, 2002, 06:50:06 PM
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Originally posted by Titan


Exactly. Funny thing is I think it was PETA that was giving out free tofu turkeys around New Jersey at Thanksgiving (I heard this on the radio). People who actually tried them said it tasted like shit. They won\'t even feed them to the dogs. PETA also sent one up to Madden during the Thanksgiving game. I think he even wouldn\'t touch it.


No accounting for the tastes of savages. I love Tofurkey, in  fact, I\'ve had three over the course of Xmas week. They taste great.
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Post by: shockwaves on December 27, 2002, 07:48:44 PM
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Originally posted by EThuggV2
Meat has been there by choice, not for any natural reason. And if we don\'t have natural means to get it, bows and guns aren\'t natural, then humans naturally at best are scavengers. We are NOT natural hunters. Our teeth are barely capable of ripping flesh, they are not made for it in any way. Pandas and gorillas that are vegan have very small \'canine\' teeth like us, they are not there for tearing meat.

Nowhere in that link is a real, credible source included, and even the most comprehensive study could not know the actual number, ithe number would be IMPOSSIBLE to figure out. And purposfully killing an animal from a great distancse using (some) stealth, they never had a chance, plus there\'s intent. Killing a unknown quantity of animals using a slow, insanely loud, harvesting machine because for some stupid reason, they didn\'t move, is an entirely different story. You could compare the 2 maybe if for 5 minutes before shooting at the deer you yelled and walked toward it.


Bows and guns ARE natural.  Each predator has a natural advantage over its prey that it must use to capture it.  Ours isn\'t superior physical skill as much as superior mental skill.  We build things that can aid us to complete a task.  That is totally natural.  And hey, I posted 3 sources, you have posted none.  Why don\'t you tell me where your arguement that humans are not natural predators is coming from, and why I should give any credibility to it.

And you are totally missing the point with that source.  First of all, if you wanna question its credibility, go ahead.  It only shows that you don\'t have the ability to argue against it, and shows weakness in your arguement.  Tell me, if a slow killing machine were to plow through your house, while your family, filled with many small children, were sleeping, do you think that would be "fair", or "right"?  That is just what is happening here.  Animals live in the ground, they live in and around the land crops are grown on.  Then when you send a killing machine such as a harvesting combine through their habitat, it isn\'t as easy to survive as you make it out to be.  

And you know how I could compare the two?  If instead of killing a single animal in the forest, quietly, I surrounded a large family of animals, and then unloaded on them with an automatic weapon.  I would start on one side of them, and sweep to the other.  If would be loud, but that wouldn\'t help them.  The very fact that major European governmental studies on agriculture project that more animals are killed in agriculture than are slaughtered for their meat shows that your arguement makes no sense.  It is not so easy to get out of the way of a harvesting machine, and that\'s not even taking into consideration the destructive effects that chemicals used on crops have.

Those projections are based on hard data.  You don\'t publish a governmental study to the public unless it has backing.  And if you expect people to believe what you are saying, with no sources and no information backing your arguement, over what governments are putting forth on the issue, that is laughable.

Oh, and speaking of laughable, I find it interesting that you are choosing to question the credibility of government studies like the one posted in the first place.  Tell me, where is your information coming from?  Or are you just blindly trying to defend your ignorant position with nonsensical arguements and refusal to believe hard information presented to you?  I think that it\'s pretty obvious to me, and the other posters here that this is the case.

And you have yet to explain to me how a process that does kill millions of animals at least, and leaves them to die in the fields is better than one that actually makes something of the dead bodies of the animals that are killed in the process.  The only difference between meat and vegetables...the animals that die to make meat aren\'t being wasted.
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Post by: cloud345 on December 27, 2002, 10:21:31 PM
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people that kill other living creatures for pleasure make me sick




Where have you been? This is the first time ive seen you post in a very long time.......you got some explaining to do! :evil:
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Post by: cloud345 on December 27, 2002, 10:25:06 PM
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Bows and guns ARE natural.



No they arent.......if someone had to make them than they arent natural simple as that. Oil is a natural resource, you cant make it cause its always been there and its impossible to make. Something that is natural has always been there without someone or something happening.
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Post by: shockwaves on December 27, 2002, 10:49:14 PM
And are you telling me that projectiles of different types haven\'t always been there?  That the substance we call gun powder hasn\'t always had the properties needed to make a piece of metal go flying through the air at great speeds towards a target?  That the materials used to make a bow haven\'t always had flexible properties that allow them to launch an object?  Those things are very natural.  They didn\'t exist in another form before we got here.  It is just as natural as any other method of attacking prey.  It\'s just that some people wouldn\'t have you believe so, because if you do believe so, you might start to think that some of what humans do isn\'t all that bad afterall.

And besides, Ethugg, what is wrong with hunting a deer?  That is the first animal that comes to mind with the hunting procedure you described.  Let me tell you, where I live, the deer are overpopulated.  There isn\'t enough food to go around.  We are natural predators of the things we eat, and refusing to take on this role causes horrible things like overpopulation.  By hunting deer in this area, all you are doing is keeping more deer from starving, and dying an even worse death.
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Post by: CHIZZY on December 27, 2002, 11:54:08 PM
ethugg may be the biggest mentally challenged member.
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Post by: Unicron! on December 28, 2002, 04:55:02 AM
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And are you telling me that projectiles of different types haven\'t always been there?  That the substance we call gun powder hasn\'t always had the properties needed to make a piece of metal go flying through the air at great speeds towards a target?  That the materials used to make a bow haven\'t always had flexible properties that allow them to launch an object?  Those things are very natural.  They didn\'t exist in another form before we got here.  It is just as natural as any other method of attacking prey.  It\'s just that some people wouldn\'t have you believe so, because if you do believe so, you might start to think that some of what humans do isn\'t all that bad afterall.

And besides, Ethugg, what is wrong with hunting a deer?  That is the first animal that comes to mind with the hunting procedure you described.  Let me tell you, where I live, the deer are overpopulated.  There isn\'t enough food to go around.  We are natural predators of the things we eat, and refusing to take on this role causes horrible things like overpopulation.  By hunting deer in this area, all you are doing is keeping more deer from starving, and dying an even worse death.


I wonder whats not natural then
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Post by: CHIZZY on December 28, 2002, 07:06:45 AM
#RaCeR#...
That\'s not natural....


/me shoots a bunny and eats it...
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Post by: shockwaves on December 28, 2002, 09:58:21 AM
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Originally posted by Unicron!


I wonder whats not natural then


*shrug*  I don\'t think there is much that is not natural.
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Post by: Titan on December 28, 2002, 06:48:09 PM
Technically, everything is natural. Some things we synthesize and shit but it still comes from something natural. Plastic for example comes from natural hydrogen and other atoms. Things that are unnatural do come from natural things though. But it really doesn\'t make them natural. Gunpowder is natural. Atleast to my knowledge it is.
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Post by: Titan on December 28, 2002, 06:54:12 PM
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No accounting for the tastes of savages. I love Tofurkey, in  fact, I\'ve had three over the course of Xmas week. They taste great.


So your saying anyone who eats meat is a savage :rolleyes: Do you even know what a savage is? Eating meat is natural of humans. You have the teeth to eat animals, you have always had the tools. In the stone age and ice age, if you didn\'t eat meat, you were f***ed. It wasn\'t a choice. Even up to a couple thousand years ago it wasn\'t a choice. If you didn\'t eat meat, you died. Humans back then didn\'t know meat contained protein. They just knew it kept them alive. They knew if they ate only plants, they\'d get disease and die. You need a source of protein somewhere and they didn\'t have the knowledge to say "hey, that plant there has protein. No more eating meat".
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Post by: Titan on December 28, 2002, 07:09:19 PM
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Meat has been there by choice, not for any natural reason. And if we don\'t have natural means to get it, bows and guns aren\'t natural, then humans naturally at best are scavengers. We are NOT natural hunters. Our teeth are barely capable of ripping flesh, they are not made for it in any way. Pandas and gorillas that are vegan have very small \'canine\' teeth like us, they are not there for tearing meat.


I didn\'t see this part. Anyway, we just didn\'t use guns and bows to kill animals. First off, guns weren\'t around until the 1500s. Even then, they weren\'t accurate. Bows have been around for thousands of years. In the stone age, we used natural things like sharpened sticks, spears with a sharp rock head attacted to a stick, harpoons. Those were all made from animal bone and hide, trees, sticks, rocks, ect. Those are all natural things. Our canines are very capable of ripping flesh. They are the longest teeth in your mouth and that\'s why. I\'ve tried eating me that I couldnt tear with my front teeth and molars. But stick the piece of meat between my canines and boom. Smaller meat. I tear through it like a hot knife through butter. BTW, we are omnivores. That\'s why our teeth are made for both. If we were true carnivores, all our teeth would be jagged. If we were made for plants (btw, we wouldn\'t be able to digest meat if we were herbivores. we\'d puke it up or even die. feed a giraffe a pound of meat, no more giraffe), our teeth would be completely flat. Our teeth are a combination of the two. They are sharp and flat hence we are omnivores and can digest meat without a problem. Back to my origional point, we are not the only ones who use tools to kill its prey. Monkeys, yes monkeys (and Clyde can attest to this :p ) use things like spears to kill other small animals, including other monkeys. Hell, chimpanzees actually have battle tactics to corner a small monkey and then kill it. Believe it or not, they are omnivores and are just like us. Hell, we are like 99% genetically identical to chimps. We evolved along with them. Thats why we use them for drug testing. What happens to them happens to us. Ok, enough of my mindless bullshit about chimps, back to the topic....actually, I finished what I wanted to say long before. We are not natural herbivores. The human mind is so individual, humans do what they want.
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Post by: Unicron! on December 29, 2002, 06:21:17 AM
I am with Titan.
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Post by: Titan on December 29, 2002, 12:42:22 PM
^^^ I like this guy :D
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Post by: Unicron! on December 29, 2002, 01:21:03 PM
I like u too then:D
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Post by: Titan on December 30, 2002, 09:22:43 AM
I don\'t think Ethug will post again :)
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Post by: project86 on January 17, 2003, 04:30:28 AM
"Iocane! I\'d bet my life on it!"
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Post by: MPTheory on January 17, 2003, 07:13:47 AM
You know, If we werent supposed to eat meat, God wouldnt have made it taste so good.  This thread has made numerous turns and twists and is giving me motion sickness.  through our entire history, Humans have hunted.  our body gets alot of its nutrition from meat.  That doesnt mean you can find other ways of gaining those nutrients, but, none the less.  Meat is good.  Id like someones oppinion on animals killing other animals.  Humans arent the only animal to kill Just for the sake of killing.  Wolves or wild dogs do this.  In a wolfe pack, there is always one that get tore up by the other.  sometimes killed.  Anyway, before I get off track, GOOD JOB CHIZZY  now you should go kill some kittens. :)
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Post by: Titan on January 17, 2003, 12:35:02 PM
If humans can\'t eat meat, then why can lions hunt and rip its prey apart and that\'s ok? Lets give a lion a head of lettuce instead. We are animals just like all the other species on this planet.
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Post by: Silent D on January 17, 2003, 06:40:38 PM
Hmm.

Theory: If we weren\'t nautral hunters, then we probably wouldn\'t have as many cultures as there are now. People followed herds of migrating animals for food, thats why they traveled. It was only until we discovered agriculture we settled down and established villages, and by then many tribes had ventured of with other herds and ended up across the world. If we were naturally herbivores, we would have grew food where we started and expanded outwards.

Anyways meat = good. :facelick:

I totally agree with shockwaves and Titan.
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Post by: Titan on January 17, 2003, 06:43:38 PM
We werent natural herbivores. We are natural omnivores. Our bodies are made to eat meat and plants. That\'s what our bodies are designed for eating and that\'s what humans should stick to. I agree with random\'s statements except how we are natural herbivors.
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Post by: Jumpman on January 17, 2003, 06:52:06 PM
Yeah that\'s ****ing nice everyone.

Sing it with me!

"Well we all shine on..."
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Post by: Spencer on January 17, 2003, 06:52:29 PM
i dont believe in karma
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Post by: Titan on January 17, 2003, 06:56:52 PM
^^^We aren\'t talking about Karma smart one.
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Post by: Silent D on January 17, 2003, 09:23:07 PM
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We werent natural herbivores. We are natural omnivores. Our bodies are made to eat meat and plants. That\'s what our bodies are designed for eating and that\'s what humans should stick to. I agree with random\'s statements except how we are natural herbivors.


I didn\'t say we were natural herbivores, I said if we were, we wouldn\'t have been spread around the earth like we are. I agree that we were naturally omnivores, \'cause it\'s true.

Sorry if I wasn\'t clear. :)
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Post by: Titan on January 18, 2003, 09:57:45 AM
Oh, sorry man. I must have misread it. But you are right. The reason pre man did move around was because of our hunting patterns. I could just imagine Ethugg back in the stone age. He\'s starve to death in a week preaching that meat was bad :)