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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: luckee on December 28, 2002, 01:31:17 AM
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43082-2002Dec27.html
So do you think it is right to clone humans or not?
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NO
Reason being is that this child will now be faced with a life of complete unknowns. Phsycologically this kid is gonna be WHACKED.
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Should have waited for more tests on animals before trying it out on humans.
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Reason being is that this child will now be faced with a life of complete unknowns. Phsycologically this kid is gonna be WHACKED.
I dunno. Boba Fett handled himself pretty well. ;)
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First sheep...now humans...whats next? Rocks? :eek:
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Apparently cloned animals have had organ malfunctions in its middle life cycle. Poor baby.
Wait a minute....is this cult even telling the truth?
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Rocks if we\'re lucky. Can\'t have enough of them there rocks!
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I accept clonning for duplication of cells, organs etc... I don\'t think clon an human is the right way to go...
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i think its wrong to grow a human primarily for its organs, that is just sick.
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Originally posted by Adan
I accept clonning for duplication of cells, organs etc... I don\'t think clon an human is the right way to go...
clonning for duplication of cells, organs etc=CLONING HUMANS
:eek:
Imagine producing humans to use their organs for transplantations!!!
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I meant clonning only some special cells to produce specific parts of our body. Example: Guess that you have a lung cancer (GOD no) and you need they to be extracted and replaced. But you can\'t find a donner (right said?). So, specialist could grow a new lung for you clonning a special cells they had kept or from your own lungs.
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Cloning humans can cause many problems. If two people are identical and one commits murder/rape, how can you prove which one did it?
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Originally posted by Adan
I meant clonning only some special cells to produce specific parts of our body. Example: Guess that you have a lung cancer (GOD no) and you need they to be extracted and replaced. But you can\'t find a donner (right said?). So, specialist could grow a new lung for you clonning a special cells they had kept or from your own lungs.
But how can they do that?They know how to clone one celled organisms but in order to produce a specific organ(many cells) the only way they know AFAIK to produce it is from a born organism.
Those special cells so far is an oocyte
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exactly, its not like you can grow a lung or kidney in a test tube. these organs are made up of millions of cells.
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american scientists made a full human heart in a test tube from a "mother-cell" of a man, months ago (I saw it in discovery channel).
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so, it just grew in a test tube?
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Yes, from only one cell, they grew the first organ\'s cells in a kinda small dish (those of bacteries) and then, when the organ became to take shape in size, they introduced the experiment in a small transparent box in which the heart grew perfectly till complete a full-functional heart. I don\'t know what the hell they\'ve done with it, but in the beginning of the research, it was supposed to be implanted into an american cityzen.
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i love the world. lets blow it up.
BTW, adan, your english is exemplary! You make more sense than a lot of the dudes who are FROM england. (no offense, mates...) :D
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personally i think that this is all just some big publicity stunt. and if its not, then its just so messed up.
btw did u see that dude who thinks he talked to aliens, what a freak. (i guess all the anal probing that the aliens have conducted on him have really taken a toll).
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Originally posted by Kurt Angle
Cloning humans can cause many problems. If two people are identical and one commits murder/rape, how can you prove which one did it?
Dont we already face that issue with identical twins?
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Originally posted by Adan
I accept clonning for duplication of cells, organs etc... I don\'t think clon an human is the right way to go...
I\'m with this guy!!! Cloning humans is immorral, but to use it to grow hearts, lungs and other bodily organs that would otherwise not be possible, to save lives by giving someone a new heart or kidney just seems great to me, or being able to place new nerve cells in someones spine to make them be able to walk again, I don\'t see whats wrong with that!!!
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Animals? Yes
Organs other than the Brain? Yes
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What about in terms of giving a child to a family who could not otherwise have a baby?
For those against that as well b/c of programs like adoption. Please remember how hard it is to be able to adopt a baby.
On a slightly different note. Im cuious as to how fast the child will age. I remember that DOLLY(the lamb) aged VERy quickly. Someone told me that a similar comparo would be a life span of 40-50 for this cloned human. Could you imagine feeling like you are 60 in only 20 years?
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It is too early to tell how fast the child will age or of the possible side effects of this procedure. I know that Dolly the sheep developed arthritis.
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I say cloning to grow organs for someone who needs them is a great idea. You are saving lives that way. However, cloning with the intent of allowing the clone to grow and live a full life is very wrong. The vast majority of clones grown for that purpose have deadly birth defects. It\'s just cruel to the clones.
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I think it\'s all bullshit anyway. HAve you seen that bint who announced it to the world? She doesn\'t look a full shilling to me.
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(https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fus.news2.yimg.com%2Fus.yimg.com%2Fp%2Fnm%2F20021227%2Fmdf175293.jpg&hash=c415285ee188b7dd7e4b0898fdb197ad89857ade)
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^ I love your slang, bro.....
not your wang.
*edit
dammit, luckee.
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
BTW, adan, your english is exemplary! You make more sense than a lot of the dudes who are FROM england. (no offense, mates...) :D
I don\'t know if you had a serious or an ironic sense when wrote this stanza... thanx anyway :D
Originally posted by luckee
On a slightly different note. Im cuious as to how fast the child will age. I remember that DOLLY(the lamb) aged VERy quickly. Someone told me that a similar comparo would be a life span of 40-50 for this cloned human. Could you imagine feeling like you are 60 in only 20 years?
That\'s one of the main problems in clonning programs. I guess they will find the solution soon.
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
i love the world. lets blow it up.
BTW, adan, your english is exemplary! You make more sense than a lot of the dudes who are FROM england. (no offense, mates...) :D
Qjglk gfmfo rf pfj ewire re?
Bjgfngekj eer ei epep tk hlh go efihe ,f oit eroiw wkj. Phuf jhie iet renf eiurewj fjfkti9 @#~&$% iief09 ,vn hotu u sadue!!!!!!!
Stick THAT in your pipe & smoke it.
;) :D :laughing: ;) :D
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I also think this can be a fake, like cerberus said.
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She is one fugly byatch!:eek: :sconf:
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Quick, I found Bozco\'s picture before he edited it!
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What\'s Bozco doing with that boy? :p
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
so, it just grew in a test tube?
Yes, Like a chia Pet.
Don\'t you love those things?
They should mess with things that dont consern them. Cloning a human is no good for us. Why not use the money to feed the hungry, home the homeless, and more important things? A cloned human will do no good for society, if not make it worse. Millions of dollars are spent on useless junk, just because we are curious, while millions sleep outside in the rain.
We need to straitghen(sp?) our priorities out.
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Chi Chi Chi Chia :D
I think cloning is alright. Not to use as organs though. They are human when they are cloned and should only be alright if they can live a life of a human. Not confined to a lab or some shit. I think we should do more research of the effects and stuff before we actually clone a human though.
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They should have cloned those socks that are missing its partner before they cloned anything live.
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:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:
Great pic Sammy.
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Originally posted by luckee
Dont we already face that issue with identical twins?
Yes we do, sort of anyway but don\'t identical twins have some differences to their DNA?
Also don\'t identical twins have different fingerprints?
I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong! ;)
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Originally posted by luckee
On a slightly different note. Im cuious as to how fast the child will age. I remember that DOLLY(the lamb) aged VERy quickly. Someone told me that a similar comparo would be a life span of 40-50 for this cloned human. Could you imagine feeling like you are 60 in only 20 years?
Its true
Dolly the Sheep "the first" cloned
has Reduced Life span
along with the increase chance of Hereditary conditions
You see Cloning is like the Ultimate form of Inter Breeding
within out the slight Variation in differences between "Brother/Sister".
European Royalty have been doing something like Cloning for Centuries and now look what has happend
Increased Mental Conditions etc etc ........
they are all more inter breed than Racer Horses
and as for the Band of Nutters that started it all
The Raelian movement is the founder of the Clonaid company which claims to have produced the first cloned baby.
The movement claims to have some 40,000 members in several countries, although the number is difficult to verify.
Rael is said to have moved to the US, alleging harassment by the French
The sect, which believes humans were created by extra-terrestrial beings who had mastered genetic engineering, was founded in France in 1973 by a former journalist who worked for a racing car magazine.
One December morning in 1973, journalist Claude Vorilhon was on his way to work in the French provincial town of Clermont-Ferrand.
But - according to a book written by Mr Vorilhon, who is now known as Rael - instead of going to the office, on an impulse, he drove to a nearby volcano.
International movement
There, he says, he was contacted by an extra-terrestrial being who emerged from a flying saucer and told him - in fluent French - that humans were created in laboratories by people from another planet.
The creators were known as the Elohim - a word which, in ancient Hebrew, meant "those who came from the sky".
It is used in Jewish prayers to refer to God.
Mr Vorilhon was told to spread the word of the Elohim on Earth in preparation for their return.
He describes them as being little over a metre in height, with pale green skin, almond-shaped eyes and long dark hair.
Since then the Raelians have grown into an international movement. Rael himself has reportedly relocated to the United States after complaining of harassment by the French authorities.
Eternal life
The Raelians\' interest in cloning seems to stem from their belief that the human soul perishes when the body dies.
Therefore, they believe, the key to eternal life is not the soul but the recreation of individuals from their DNA.
In 1997 the group founded Clonaid, which now says it has cloned a human being.
In 1990 the Raelians changed their symbol, originally a Swastika inside a Star of David.
The idea was to improve relations with Israel and persuade the government there to let them build an embassy for the Elohim in Jerusalem.
Some on should tell members of this Cult, that most Cults end with the Male members Castrating themselves and then to finish it all its Mass Suicide time so that they can "board the MotherShip"
Ah only in America can this sort of thing start :rolleyes:
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When I was in LA (Santa Monica to be exact) I was in some outside shopping mall and this guy tried to tell me that I was a selected member of some unique race. He was from Rael because he gave me his card.
He was a full on freak, my mum got really angry at him cause we are Christian and she went mental.
Honestly though, the Rael guy looks like Gandalff from Lord Of The Rings.
IMO, I hope this baby, if it even exists, dies.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
IMO, I hope this baby, if it even exists, dies.
This comming from a Christian eeehhh :rolleyes:
That’s why I am a Lapsed Roman Catholic but still believe in Spiritual aspect of life, remember Religion is a concept devised by man and as a result it can be manipulated and distorted by the people in power of that religion (Taliban, etc )
and Please before someone points out
RELIGION and BELIEF are to separate points
Religion = origination
Belief = the faith in a God/ higher being / after life etc
i am sorry but i wouldn\'t be surprised if this Cloning is just a PR Stunt desinged to give this CULT some PrimeTime Air.
i mean For Fook Sake noone(not the member) even heard ofthis cult before the announcemanet was made *coff*PR Stunt *coff* *Coff*
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Originally posted by Kurt Angle
Yes we do, sort of anyway but don\'t identical twins have some differences to their DNA?
Also don\'t identical twins have different fingerprints?
I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong! ;)
Although Identical twins look very much alike, that is where the similarity ends. The diferences in the DNA of identical twins is probably not much different to the differences in yours and mine. The reason why they look alike is because they were formed from the same egg. After the egg separates, they grow independantly.
Just because they are from the same egg, it doesn\'t mean they are truely identical......Identical twins are born when one egg seperates, and is then penetrated by 2 sperm cells. A clone by definition, is a life form that is created by taking cells from a host , due to this it will have all the attributes and physical and mental abilities/disabilities.
I have "identical" twin sisters, and from my experience, they are as different as chalk & cheese. There are also subtly differences in their appearances, differences that most people might not see, but to a person who has such siblings, the differences are as clear as clear can be
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Apparently cloned animals have had organ malfunctions in its middle life cycle. Poor baby.
More info on why cloned animals are having problems. I took this from another forum.
The problems that you mention with Dolly are due to the telomeres on the ends of it\'s DNA. They comprise something of a clock for cell activity. After each division one of the telomeres is shed. After all the telomeres are shed the cell dies. So yes, what we may see in some of these clones is a problem with premature cell death. In order to produce a clone properly, we would have to either figure out how to reset the telomeres or more interestingly, treat the DNA with telomerase before implantation. Telomerase essentially stops the strand from shedding telomeres. It can then divide infintely. Maybe this would in itself cause problems? Or maybe you could end up with an organism that does not experience age related tissue degeneration. I\'m not saying that you end up with an immortal organism, I\'m just thinking that you might end up with an organism who\'s tissues do not decline as rapidly in old age...
1. Would a telomerase enabled organism experience this tissue degradation?
2. Would this activity naturally lead to cancer or could other mechanisms of cell death keep this in check.
3. If other mechanisms can control it, would the organism have a greater propensity for getting cancer?
4. Would hormonal and other genetic triggers still cause the organism to die "on time" or would there be a net increase in lifespan?
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Ah only in America can this sort of thing start
Fu*k you ooseven. You guys have cults too. This isn\'t an American thing.
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Cloning is wrong even from an individual point-of-view. Imagine if the girl finds out the truth about her past - I am quite sure that it won\'t be willingly revealed to her.
One should ask why human cloning is even studied and executed ( as it now seems to be )? It is easier to have a baby the natural way, and if psychical disabilities or diseases make the natural excersize impossible, adoption is always an option. A clone is, in the end, a psychically perfect copy of the subject male or female.
I can clearly visualize a not-so-bright future where human-cloning is simple, easy and quick. Cloned humans will be bred only to serve the countries as soldiers, and they are ripped off of human rights. They are treated as \'just\' clones without individual differences.
But, all in all, even if a clone is psychically similar to the cloned person, his / hers mind and imagination is personal, being developed by the environment. Or is it?
[ Know that I believe this situation to be a hoax at the moment ]
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I can clearly visualize a not-so-bright future where human-cloning is simple, easy and quick. Cloned humans will be bred only to serve the countries as soldiers,
Wasnt cloning in one of Hitler\'s plans of creating the perfect army?
BTW:Where have you been?
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Originally posted by Unicron!
Wasnt cloning in one of Hitler\'s plans of creating the perfect army?
BTW:Where have you been?
I have been quite busy as of late - life has whipped my lazy butt with school, friends ( whom eat up a lot of my free time - unfortunately or not ;) ), relatives and other projects. I have contentrated my will into writing stories and into drawing.
Thanks to the two-week vacation, I now have some time to spend online. I, in the end, only visit two message-boards as regularly as I can - this, and that of TolkienOnline\'s. It is good to be back, nonetheless :)
[ Oh and I am getting off the topic ]
By the way, I believe it was one of Hitler\'s sick dreams. I don\'t think he seriously planned to clone humans, given the technology of the period he lived in.
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Well its great to have u back:)
Hey why not post some of your drawings?I am curious to see some of your creations.
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[ Off Topic - once again - but isn\'t it the name of the game? ;) ]
Unicron, as soon as I find a scanner to scan my artwork with :)
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Hehehe.Ok:)
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Cloning , if it does happen in human form would be the first big break through of this century. I personally encourage it. It could be interesting to a lot of things. WHat about people who want a kid that has their traits but can\'t have kids and don\'t want to adopt? The list goes on and on.
As for Racer\'s overly ignorant comment about wanting this possible-baby to die. You\'re some christain. Wait - you\'re a typical two-faced, christain. Bravo.
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Chri-Stain... sounds very familiar to what Racer wants to leave on Sammy\'s back LiC. Sick, but clever. LiC is the man! ;)
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I agree with Racer, the baby should die, if it doesn\'t then these jumped up pricks in white coats will gain massive God complexes.
Cloning humans is an ill-conceived and brainless act that will only do harm to future generations when they realise.
How would any of you feel if one day your parents told you you\'re only here because of the need for bone marrow or a kidney for a planned child they already have.
May as well open up parts shops if it\'s gonna be that heartless.
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And no, I\'m not Christian, I count all religions as cults.
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Originally posted by Titan
Fu*k you ooseven. You guys have cults too. This isn\'t an American thing.
come one Titan you should know me by now
I take any/ every opportunity to take a pot shot at anything i feal is core of the old "Might is Right"
Microsoft
The Bush Admin
The Groth of the Big Brother Culture
The Second Admendment
The gorwing Americanisation of my own Country (the corrision of both the health and wealfare systems the slow Death of the NHS)
and the fact that it seams like most US Cults Do end with Mass Suicides (altough us European have experienced the same, its not on the SAME scale, in fact the UK sect of this Cult is lead by a unkown actor and only have a hand full of members)
and in this case we have the Worlds Most powerful nation spawning a Cult thats the First to Clame they have achieved the worlds FIRST Human Clonning EXPERIMENT, when all the other nations on the planet want a International BAN on the development of this "technology"
Anyway thats just my opinion
like the way i can express discust at American Internation policy and the way that is ever dragging us to the brink of Armageddon.
pfffftt at this rate i would be very supprised if we are all here this time next year :rolleyes:
2003 is going to be one Hell- o-Ride .