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Playstation/Gaming Discussions => PS3 Discussion => Topic started by: Paul on January 05, 2003, 09:07:21 PM
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Being a fan of the previous 2 incarnation, I look foward eagerly to Suikoden 3 and I\'m totally let down by this game.
The graphics are okay, but the lack of angle switching is really annoying. The story and character doesn\'t seems very interesting and it moves like snail pace in the beginning.
Lastly., the worst deal is the battle system. Unlike the previous prequels, it has been revamped and you have to pre-group your team members and it just doesn\'t have the oomp nor fun of the prevuious battle system. Not only that, your character moves way too slowly in battle in an already lame battle system making it even worst. I\'m about 2 to 3 hours into this game but i don\'t know whether I can sit through one more hour of this crap!!!
I\'m utterly dissapointed.....
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That\'s a first. Most people have said they love it.
Anyway....I haven\'t played it yet.
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never played the first 2, though ive heard nothing but good things about them, and the 3rd, which i want to play, ive not anything bad till i read this
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Heh, you\'re 3 hours into the game and you already formed such a strong opinion... Yikes.
The storyline picks up quickly after the true runes are introduced and you\'re given better objectives. In addition, you don\'t get many good or exciting characters so early in the game. You need to give it time.
As for the battle system: Yeah, it\'s different from the last two, but I don\'t understand why you dislike that so much. You have less control over your characters, yes, but a whole new element of strategy has been added. You need to pair up characters correctly if you hope to optimize your party, especially if you plan to get anywhere against some of the more difficult bosses. "Lame" battle system? Haha... I think "quick and efficient" would better describe it. I don\'t know about you, but I like it when most random battles are over in a matter of seconds. I like being able to use the "Auto" option if I don\'t feel like issuing commands to party members. I like having the ability to end a random encounter with the press of a button thanks to the "Let Go" command.
Oh well, give it up you want. I\'ll admit that I was disappointed in a few aspects of the game, but I also feel the storyline and the battle system are two of its strongest points. They both eclipse a lot of the RPGs already out there in those regards, but if you feel disappointed already and don\'t want to give it a chance, it\'ll be your loss. I can\'t promise that you\'ll fall in love with it if you keep playing, but 3 hours is not at all enough time to give any role-playing game a fair chance.
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That\'s the whole crap issue...lack of control over the characters in the battle system. You can\'t even have one character in the group use an item to heal without the other being waste to do nothing. What kind of moronic battle system is this!!!
They should have just license the battle engine from Grandia Xtreme or somewhere else.
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I never played any Suikoden, so I can\'t say much. From what I seen on a preview, i don\'t really like it though.
Anyway, remember beginning of FFVII, the game was pretty much basic. FFVII beginning seem like any ordinary ff series with good story, until after the Shinra thing, we start going to the world map. That\'s when the game start to get into shape. FFVII is more than just it look. You can summon monsters, do many great side quests, entertaining music too.
I let this person borrow ffvii, and he played on the beginning of disc 1 where Cloud and Barret have to kill this scorpion, he got bored because he dies too many time and couldn\'t defeat the scorpion. I think this person should play FFVII longer to realize how amazing this game is. I know another person who played FFVII and didn\'t like it and he\'s still in beginning of disc 1 and in Shinra. He said he like FFVIII better. I was like, ffviii sucks!
anyway, different people have different opinions about things.
Despite this, from what i read on your comments, I will be sure to stay away from Suikoden 3 anyway. Annoying camera angle and all really steal away the fun.
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The character who you don\'t issue a direct command to will either attack the enemy or stay back and defend, depending on his/her attributes. Can be frustrating, but hardly a waste; it simply calls for a better battle formation.
And Paul2, if you\'re ever able to play a Suikoden (especially Suikoden II, a very rare gem and my personal favorite), give it a try. You\'ll probably enjoy the experience, especially if you appreciate a good storyline. Just don\'t expect mindblowing graphics...
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Paul 2: should really try Suikoden 1 & 2..those games rocks!! Not like the el-crappio Suikoden 3 at all...
I\'ll just pretend Suikoden 3 never happen in this universe and it\'s something thrown out from another parallel universe into ours.
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I want to try this game out. I havent played the 1st 2 so I hold no Bios
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Originally posted by Paul
Paul 2: should really try Suikoden 1 & 2..those games rocks!! Not like the el-crappio Suikoden 3 at all...
It\'s the game in psx or ps2 version? Suikoden 1 & 2. And which version is better? 1 or 2?
I\'ll just pretend Suikoden 3 never happen in this universe and it\'s something thrown out from another parallel universe into ours.
Sound like Chrono Cross game i like, parallel world...
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My brother played it and he really wasnt into it at first but the story starts to put peices together and the 3 main guys eventaully all become part of the same story. You will find out who the fire dude is if you havent already found out and it becomes pretty good. Also there are some stuff about suikoden 2 in it. At this library theres a book about it, and some characters are brought back. One very well known character is also a big part of the story, But ill let you find out who that is.
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Originally posted by Paul2
It\'s the game in psx or ps2 version? Suikoden 1 & 2. And which version is better? 1 or 2?
Sound like Chrono Cross game i like, parallel world...
Suikoden 1 & 2 are PSX games, I really like them both and you can transfer the savegame(when u finish 1) from part 1 to part 2 to get some extra stuff in part 2...although I haven\'t try it myself.
Inferior graphics to Suikoden 3...but gameplay is a million light years ahead.
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Hey, ign give Suikoden 3 a 9.4 overall...
am I missing something here?
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Ign is a bit of moron. There\'s nothing in this game that can exceed 7.5...graphics...gamplay..control...eeucch!!!
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Suikoden is my favorite RPG of all time. It\'s the only RPG that i have actually replayed. Once i finish an RPG i never touch it again but not with Suikoden. I replayed it 2 or 3 times before i finally beat it with all 108 characters. Sweet 2d gfx, awesome music, an emotional plot and a terrific battle system made it a winner.
I was very pleased with the sequel wich was very well done but thoroughly dissapointed when Konami annouced part 3 was going to be in 3d. I refuse to play it. That\'s like making a 2d Virtua Fighter. It just wont feel right for fans of the series. I rather wait for Xenosaga and Star Ocean 3 for my 3d RPG fix and buy Golden Sun 2 for GBA for good ol\' fashion 2d rpg.
Astro
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Well, at least you had the chance to play it.
It was one of my most anticipated games this year... until Konami canceled the Pal version :mad:
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what???? they have cancelled the pal version............... grrrrrrr
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It\'s cancelled due to translation problems.
It sounds like BS to me and they\'d have released the game in English, like they did with the two previous ones.
There\'s already an online petition:
Suikoden III Pal (http://www.petitiononline.com/suikoden/)
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The first 2 games bored the crap out of me. This one I was interested in. It also seems to be very long. You get to choose between 3 characters at the beginning and 3 later on I think. I chose one guy and played it for 5 days and still didn\'t finish his first chapter.
The battle system is very weird. I don\'t like it.
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Originally posted by Falgarok
It\'s cancelled due to translation problems.
yeah and this post should be cancelled due to BullS£$t Problems.
Suikoden III is already in English form i.e the US NTSC version
:rolleyes:
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I played through the first one and while it had its moments, overall I wasn\'t very thrilled. However what I\'m here to say is that I believe it seemed to drag due to poor play on my part rather than the game itself being such a real snoozer.
In retrospect I can see it comes down to my blowing through in an effort to finish instead of taking advantage of the facets provided that would have otherwise made the game much more entertaining. I\'d go into more detail on Suikoden but perhaps I can make my point better by saying it\'s all too common to see people griping about negative aspects of a game when in fact solutions to the complaints were right at hand.
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Originally posted by ooseven
yeah and this post should be cancelled due to BullS£$t Problems.
Suikoden III is already in English form i.e the US NTSC version
:rolleyes:
???
Someone at gaming-age e-mailed Konami some time ago, and this was Konami Europe\'s reply:
The reason for not releasing Suikoden 3 in Europe is due to translation problems, but not just the cost issue. Yes it is very expensive to translate a text based game such as Suikoden into several European languages, but we release all our games with 5 text language options and Suikoden 3 would not be an exception. There are other issues, because of the way that Suikoden 3 was programmed and coded in the first place, it is very difficult to go back and change the text. They practically have to start again and re-programme the whole thing from the beginning. They will have to do this for each language. This would mean that it would take a very long time to have the
European version finished. We just don\'t have the time or the man power. We are aware that there is a large RPG fanbase in Europe, I am one myself, however these amount to very few in the overall market. In order to make the game more appealing to other people in Europe as well as the hard core fans, we need to release it in other languages. It is very text heavy and for someone who can not read or speak English it would be very difficult to play. I tried playing a Japanese version but I had to give up after about an hour, I didn\'t know what was going on and this made it difficult and boring. We would be losing a considerable amount of money if we released an English only version in Europe, it would sell only to the fans and that is not enough people, we wouldn\'t even be close to breaking even. Yes, we released Suikoden 1 & 2 in English only, and they didn\'t sell, we hardly sold any at all and we made a loss, we can not afford to do that again. It is ridiculous to expect any publisher to release a game if they know that they are not going to make even the smallest of profits.
Best Regards,
Martine Saunders
European Brand Coordinator
On Behalf of Konami of Europe
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That is why modding isn\'t such a neccessary evil...you get to choose to play the game you want in the language you understand.
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I\'m thinking about this game, but right now my money is set on RE2 & 3, and Mega Man Zero
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After torturously forcing myself to complete the 1st chapter of each character. I think I\'ve second opinion of this game. I\'m sort of get used to the battle system. The story seems to be coming along in pieces and it doesn\'t seems as bad as I first play it. There still many nagging issues like why you can\'t go directly to a different town but instead have to forced yourway to go through some dungeons/forest before reaching the destination. It annoys when you want to simply go to the other town to do some trading.
Still the 9.4 by IGN is overated, the first 2 games are still much superior, IMO.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
I\'m thinking about this game, but right now my money is set on RE2 & 3, and Mega Man Zero
Better hurry. They\'re not making anymore copies of Suikoden3.
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Well, I bought suikoden 3, 3 days ago.
and I must say I\'ve also been very disapointed by this game...
it\'s my first rpg on PS2 and I was shocked to see only text and no voice... the characters look stupid and childish...
the garphics and sounds are ok though but that\'s not enough fo an RPG.
I remember suikoden1 on paystation, it was much better...
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Better hurry. They\'re not making anymore copies of Suikoden3.
I\'ve come to the conclusion that it\'s really not my type of game. And for the first time in a long time I am on a tight budget so my game choices have to be wise, as well as few and far between.