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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: videoholic on January 08, 2003, 01:33:48 PM
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OK, maybe a new thread will get us to talk about the upcoming games rather than the old stuff.
So does anyone think the long trips will affect the Jets and 49ers? How do you think the Jets will do on 6 day layoff?
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I don\'t think the length of the trip affects you as much as the situation you walk into at the end of it.
Game of the week: Jets at Raiders. They played twice last year, and once this year. Each time it has been a great game. The Raiders won by a touchdown earlier this year, but the Jets are the hottest team in the NFL right now. This is gonna be an all out war. I\'m going to go with the Jets, by a field goal, because I think they have improved more since the teams last met.
...and since when do the Jets have a 6 day layoff?
Falcons at Eagles: I think the Eagles will have this one in the bag. Vick played great against the Packers, but the Packers D isn\'t nearly as good as the Eagles. The Eagles have the type of D that can contain a guy like Vick. They are also more used to playing one, considering this defense matches up against McNabb\'s offense in practices. The Eagles have a much better D, probably the best secondary in the NFL, and a much better running game. And McNabb is back. I think the Eagles win big.
Steelers at Titans: I also think this is going to be a great game. In fact, this is the type of football game I think I will enjoy watching. Two good defenses, good running games. The Steelers like to throw the ball a lot more now, than in the past, and Ward and Burress had great seasons. But I think that this one goes to the Titans, in another close game. The Steelers needed a pretty nice comeback to beat the Browns at home. No offense to the Browns, but the Titans will be much more of a challenge. I\'m not sure if the Titans match up as well, but they are more talented, and I happen to think that McNair is one of the more valuable players this year. The Titans have also been a hot team, and had plenty of time to rest. Titans by 7-10.
Niners at Bucs: Does a team have to win? ;) Ok, here\'s how I see it. Bucs will win big. They just match up very well with the Niners. Owens won\'t be matching up with Jason Sehorn anymore. The Bucs have a very fast defense, and a very tough defense. They also have the NFL\'s best defense. Garcia was able to engineer that comeback because there was no pressure being put on him. That will not happen against Tampa. Their defense is checkered with Pro Bowl players, including two on the defensive line (both starters). This team just scares me. They have absolutely shut down some of the best players in the NFL, including Vick (twice) and Favre at QB. On the other side of the ball, Brad Johnson is back, and he has had a surprisingly good year. The Niners were 22nd in the NFL against the pass. The Bucs were first. The Bucs scored only 1.3 fewer points per game, while allowing 9.6 fewer. I think the Bucs win by 2 TDs.
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The Niners will win because the Bucs sluggish offense will finally catch back up to them and bite them in the ass. Furthermore the Niners have come off their biggest game this season and that momentum will definately carry over to this game.
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Steelers - 6 day layoff.
Jets - 8 day layoff.
Bill Cowher has already complained. Dave Szott (former Chief) has already stated that if the Jets would have had more time on the clock earlier this year, they would have won. Appernatly, that\'s all Jerry Porter needed to get his panties in a bundle.
"If they like coming down here and getting their ****ing asses kicked, let em\'. let em\'. - Jerry Porter"
Jets have improved, yes, and I thought they were damn good last year, but like last year, the Raiders running game will beat the Jets. Raiders 35, Jets 31 in one hell of a game.
As for the others, I think the Titans will simply beat the Steelers down. They\'re better, they have the ability to keep a lead, a better defense, and all the tools to get things done. Personally, I think they just might get to the Super Bowl. That, and I\'ve taken a liking to them being that they play as a damn good team -- proven by the fact that they\'ve won 10 of their last 11, and not ONE Pro Bowler.
Niners and Bucs. I don\'t care. If TO gets decapitated, go Niners, but if not, Go Bucs. Montie Kiffin 0wnz j00.
Falcons at Eagles. Eagles by a whole lot. This "Donovan McNabb can\'t run" exposay is a crock of shit. Eagles by 2 TD\'s.
See Yuz.
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Steelers should win.
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
The Niners will win because the Bucs sluggish offense will finally catch back up to them and bite them in the ass. Furthermore the Niners have come off their biggest game this season and that momentum will definately carry over to this game.
Bucs sluggish offense? Check the last 5 games Brad Johnson played in. I\'d do it for you, but it\'s just not worth it to me. 49ers don\'t have a chance in hell.
PS: I\'ll edit this statement Sunday at 4pm if we lose... heheheh
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Steelers should win.
Being a Steelers fan, I\'d have to agree with you. Thank goodness for Maddox.
:alien:
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You both being Steelers fans brings no merit whatsoever to either of your opinions :p
Titans by 10.
See Yuz.
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Titans by 5 :)
Low scoring game.
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Haha, yeah, that sounds good.
Titans 12, Steelers 7. Nedney kicks 4 FG\'s :)
See Yuz.
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God, the Jets are gonna lose by a feild goal. John Hall is their achilles heel.
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Well maybe if Hall would wear his helmet right he\'d have better luck...
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Hall is perfectly fine for me. Best kicker in town. :)
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I had a vision last night in my dream... that the Raiders & Bucs were playing in the superbowl and the Raiders won by one point. Don\'t ask me why, but sometimes my visions are a projection of the future...
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the only reason Maddox is good is because he played in the Arena league which is a predominately throwing game and a shorter field, plus he played in the XFL (for the year the XFL was around). And Randel El has Matured a bit.
:hat:ScottyJ:hat:
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
I had a vision last night in my dream... that the Raiders & 49er\'s were playing in the superbowl and the Raiders won by one point. Don\'t ask me why, but sometimes my visions are a projection of the future...
You don\'t have many happy baseball dreams, do you?
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I never thought i would hate anyone more than Randy Moss...but Terrell Owens...you take the cake. Honestly, i used to love the niners...ever since that asshole joined the team, i hate em....almost as much as the cowboys and vikings.
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Geez... Terrell is a cool guy from what I see off the field. He is a good father and has tremendous work ethics. He\'s without question one of the hardest working players in the NFL and when he goes to the office he makes sure the job gets done.
Stop hatin\'.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
You don\'t have many happy baseball dreams, do you?
well no... but I once dreamed that I was in Fenway Park when Carlton Fisk hit his homerun...
and maybe not baseball... but in basketball... just read my sig...
28 Hall o\' Famers, 16 NBA Championships, One Legacy... The best Franchise in the History of sports, the Boston Celtics.
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And you\'re old enough to remember how many of those? ;)
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its the legacy my friend...
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Gosh, I don\'t remember much about the celtics other than Larry Bird and the many Laker/Celtics series many years back.
Dude, this is about Football.. Not thugball!!!!
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
Geez... Terrell is a cool guy from what I see off the field. He is a good father and has tremendous work ethics. He\'s without question one of the hardest working players in the NFL and when he goes to the office he makes sure the job gets done.
Stop hatin\'.
Ill be honest, he is one of the top WRs in the league but it is his stupid antics on the field. Can he for once just act like he scored a TD before. You dont see Mario Lemeuix go crazy of a goal...or Jerry Rice sign balls and grab pom-poms.
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T.O. is an emotional player, as a fan I\'d much rather see my guy dance and get excited. Its all about being a fan for the game, the things he does is whats great about football.
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
T.O. is an emotional player, as a fan I\'d much rather see my guy dance and get excited. Its all about being a fan for the game, the things he does is whats great about football.
Its more like being a fan of San Fran so you look past the bullshit things he does.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Haha, yeah, that sounds good.
Titans 12, Steelers 7. Nedney kicks 4 FG\'s :)
See Yuz.
We\'ll find out today :)
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Hey, what time are the games today?
Last weekend Saturday\'s games started at 3 pm central time, then on Sunday it was Noon central...anybody got an update on that?
See Yuz.
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4:30 and 8:00
Sunday is 1: and 4:30
EST
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Same as last week, alright, cool.
Got a chance to watch the Nebraska men\'s basketball team get their ass kicked by Kansas before this game...yay :p
See Yuz.
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Come on Titans...
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I wonder if these refs are gonna let the Titans play some football...
First that helmet to helmet they called...which wasn\'t even helmet to helmet. It\'s football, you\'re gonna get hit while going across the middle. Now Haynesworth gets called for a personal foul. Amos is a RB, RB\'s are supposed the be able to take hits, christ.
Why not just put every player in dresses?
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
T.O. is an emotional player, as a fan I\'d much rather see my guy dance and get excited. Its all about being a fan for the game, the things he does is whats great about football.
^^^^
WORD.
Without people like T.O., Football would be as boring to watch as golf.
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/me approves of the game
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/me approves of square_markers approval of the game
/me thought that game was a great one
/me is using the /me command too much
/me :)
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/me approves of using the /me command
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/me <-- is he the only one that still thinks McNabb is better than Vick?
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Um, this just in... McNabb is good.
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*viper_fujax<---is he the only one to realize this is vicks first year as a starter and he obviously still has learning to do and that mcnabb is now considered a veteran.*
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I can\'t believe I\'m saying this but, GO RAIDERS!
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/me is 2 for 2 with his picks
/me also picked the Bucs and Jets :)
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Bucs will go down tommorw...(or so I hope).
I wanna see the 9\'ers in the superbowl, damnit!
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now that the falcons are out, i guess my next team ill root for is titans since they were so close that one year and i think they deserve to win it all. Id stick with a team my broncos didnt make the playoffs.
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Well, I picked the Bucs and Titans, but I\'d ideally want to see Eagles Jets. Of course, that being said, watch it be Niners Raiders :(
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*sigh* They gave the kicker two chances.
The Steeler defender slid away from the kicker...the kicker side stepped into the Steeler defender and dropped himself when he realised he missed. The Ref thinks the Steeler ran into the kicker.
And throws the flag.
Kicker gets another chanse and makes it.
Damn refs. The Steelers could easily beat the Bucs. Just like three weeks ago.
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Nedney even said in those interview question things that the press does that it was a little bit of acting that helped them win the game. It was obvious he was acting since he was hit way after the kick, but i dont think he shouldve come right out and said that cuz for the steelers season to be over on that kind of penalty so they could kick it again was pretty dumb.
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I think McNair is King to McNabb and Vick seeing as he was the first to still be able to move and be a pocket qb when he needed it most *this is what Vick lacks most of*
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* shockwaves is 2 for 2 with his picks
* shockwaves also picked the Bucs and Jets
It took an awful lot of though to pick the titans and the eagles.
Today\'s picks may be a bit more interesting. Although the way the jets have been playing lately will make it very interesting.
BTW, CBS is kicking ass in coverage. I figure most of you can\'t watch these games in HD, but they look phenomenal. FOX does their games in widescreen, but it\'s not HD. It\'s about half the resolution and it looks like shit compared to CBS. Looking forward to todays games.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
*sigh* They gave the kicker two chances.
The Steeler defender slid away from the kicker...the kicker side stepped into the Steeler defender and dropped himself when he realised he missed. The Ref thinks the Steeler ran into the kicker.
And throws the flag.
Kicker gets another chanse and makes it.
Damn refs. The Steelers could easily beat the Bucs. Just like three weeks ago.
after watching the college football national championship game I realized if a play looks close and the game is on the line, they will call it every time.
But who cares. Its football. Just have fun.
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Damn refs. The Steelers could easily beat the Bucs. Just like three weeks ago.
If you think that Shawn King on a Monday night having not played in a couple years is as good as Brad Johnson on a Tuesday then you need to give me some of what you are having.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
If you think that Shawn King on a Monday night having not played in a couple years is as good as Brad Johnson on a Tuesday then you need to give me some of what you are having.
What I\'m having? Here.....have "common sense". The Bucs defense got its ass reamed by the Steelers offense. Year after year, the Bucs typically have lost to the Steelers. I know you\'re used to it but won\'t admit it. Now that I\'ve given you a little bit of NFL info, you can pretend you\'re smart and tell your friends what I told you.
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all I have to say is HAHAHAHAHA! Pittsburgh got beat! the titans are my second favorite team next to the Browns. I have family in tennesee an i think one of them works for the titans orginization.......
:hat:ScottyJ:hat:
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Bah! :p
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
What I\'m having? Here.....have "common sense". The Bucs defense got its ass reamed by the Steelers offense. Year after year, the Bucs typically have lost to the Steelers. I know you\'re used to it but won\'t admit it. Now that I\'ve given you a little bit of NFL info, you can pretend you\'re smart and tell your friends what I told you.
Did you even watch the game?
Outside of the interception returned for a TD in the first quarter and some other quick misshaps in the first quarter, I certainly would not say they got their asses reamed.
Steelers play Bucs 20 times Bucs would beat them 14 of them.
No really. :thepimp:
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Hey vapor!!!
At what point are the 49ers going to show up?
They do realize the game started at 1pm don\'t they?
Damn, this is sad.
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Can they come back from this?
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40 seconds to go and they pretty much threw in the towel. I don\'t know about anyone else, but that\'s pretty damn sad for a franchise to just walk off the field with 2 timeouts left and nearly a minute left on the clock. You know, it\'s the playoffs, just 5 seconds is an eternity, but I guess everytime the Niners get a break, they just lose yards or the ball. Just take a look at the return after that offside penalty and the punt kick after that holding penalty, both times looking for better field position and they got royally screwed in the end.
I still can\'t believe they just gave up at the end of the half though. To their credit, they\'re not losing as bad as they were at this time last week. :)
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this niners game is getting ot of hand!
:hat:ScottyJ:hat:
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
The Niners will win because the Bucs sluggish offense will finally catch back up to them and bite them in the ass. Furthermore the Niners have come off their biggest game this season and that momentum will definately carry over to this game.
Again Vapor\'s lack of knowledge about football shines through.
Peace out.. Oh, it\'s midway through the 3rd quarter and I think the 49ers cheerleaders showed up, but apparently the football team got stuck in traffic.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
Again Vapor\'s lack of knowledge about football shines through.
Oh yeah, woohoo! Go Brad Johnson for exploiting a defense consisting of 3rd, 4th, and 5th string corners!
Brad Johnson is shit, and I hope the Eagles end his career.
I mean that.
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To make this the perfect game I want to see TO get a TD catch............and then start dancing around like a fool while losing.
Originally posted by Vapor Snake
Brad Johnson is shit, and I hope the Eagles end his career.
I mean that.
Now thats class.
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See, this is what the Giants couldn\'t do. Even when the Giants were dominating, it was clear the they weren\'t shutting down the Niners on offense. Things were just falling their way. In this game, the Niners can\'t do anything. Man I would love a defense like this. The Eagles Bucs game should really be something.
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Originally posted by Bozco
Now thats class.
Frankly I don\'t care. Its angst more than anything.
Time to comeback.
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Tell TO to put a skirt on, he was a better cheerleader anyway. ;)
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and tell garcia to put his purse down before he throws :)
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This may go down as the worst Niners game I\'ve ever seen. I have respect for the Bucs defense, they definately are stingy. However the Bucs offense will always be shit in my book.
Time to think about next season, and saying goodbye to Mariucci. I have alot of respect for him as a coach, but he\'s just not what the Niners need. We need an aggressive, chance-taking "Mike Martz" kinda guy that has a pair of nuts.
The first round pick should DEFINATELY be used on a dominating presence on the defensive line. Andre Carter is good, but Stubblefield and Young really have got to move on. They apply absolutly no pressure in the middle whatsoever.
Special teams is another area that needs a good revamping. I dunno, there\'s problems here and there, but I can worry about that this summer.
Good season overall, fell short, but I\'m satisfied overall.
Go Eagles.
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mike martz has to be my least favorite coach ever. i mean, ur in the superbowl where u need every part of ur team to do well. And u have a back with the skill of marshal faulk, and u dont use him? how much of a moron do u have to be to go 1 dimensional of offense when u have faulk. And then this year. He kept putting in Warner because he didnt want to admit that his star player was horrible this year, and he didnt fully trust bulger after the fact he went 5-0. and i know u said mike martz kind of guy and not actually mike martz, but he ticks me off with the way hes coaching.
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I just want basically a coach that plays aggressively, thats all I\'m asking for. This conservative bullshit has got to go.
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i hate football.......
Go KINGS!!!
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Go Lakers?
Bah... Sports this year sucks for me.
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
Oh yeah, woohoo! Go Brad Johnson for exploiting a defense consisting of 3rd, 4th, and 5th string corners!
Brad Johnson is shit, and I hope the Eagles end his career.
I mean that.
Yeah, your lack of corners is why you only scored 6 points. Um, yeah.. Alrighty.
And you turned the ball over more times than logan can count.
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Yes, exactly. The Bucs controlled the ball and kept Garcia off the field.
Eagles will humiliate the Bucs as the Bucs humiliated the Niners.
Nuff\' said.
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Can I quote you on that next week?
When Garcia threw that last ball out of the endzone on 4th down there was 3 seconds on the clock that they just let tick off.
That was plenty of time to score again.
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Eagles will KILL the Bucs.
There\'s the quote.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
Yeah, your lack of corners is why you only scored 6 points. Um, yeah.. Alrighty.
And you turned the ball over more times than logan can count.
Well, the defense of the Niners were completely shitted on..Damn injuries.
The Niner offense, was also shitted on. They just couln\'t get anything started.
Yes, I feel sorry for my team. Yes, Im completely down right now. Yes, the Bucs just completely ****ed the niners. But, the Niners made it this far, and im proud to be a S.F. fan. I don\'t feel completely let down by my team, they just couln\'t get anything started. Next year, once all the injured players are back up, will be a completely different story.
But, being a cali guy. Even though the Niners are out, my second hope......
GO RAIDERS!!!!!
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Well, the defense of the Niners were completely shitted on..Damn injuries.
The Niner offense, was also shitted on. They just couln\'t get anything started.
Yes, I feel sorry for my team. Yes, Im completely down right now. Yes, the Bucs just completely ****ed the niners. But, the Niners made it this far, and im proud to be a S.F. fan. I don\'t feel completely let down by my team, they just couln\'t get anything started. Next year, once all the injured players are back up, will be a completely different story.
But, being a cali guy. Even though the Niners are out, my second hope......
GO RAIDERS!!!!!
I love biased fans. You know when my homer team loses like this I give it up. When Miami kicked the shit out of UF, I didn\'t say UF just didn\'t play very well, I said that Miami kicked our ass.
49ers didn\'t lose because they didn\'t play well. They lost because the bucs defense kicked their asses. Put them in the hole and then just teed it up. 49ers were owned. Not because they just didn\'t play well, but because the Bucs kicked their ass!!!
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Yes, I agree. Bucs owned the Niners.
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Raiders are looking good thus far.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
I love biased fans. You know when my homer team loses like this I give it up. When Miami kicked the shit out of UF, I didn\'t say UF just didn\'t play very well, I said that Miami kicked our ass.
49ers didn\'t lose because they didn\'t play well. They lost because the bucs defense kicked their asses. Put them in the hole and then just teed it up. 49ers were owned. Not because they just didn\'t play well, but because the Bucs kicked their ass!!!
Reminds me of the Buckeyes vs. Miami game.
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The Jets vs. Raiders game will come down to a field goal.
And like I said before, John Hall is the Jets achilles heel.
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What a drive -- 8 minute drive by the Jets, capped off by a TD with 22 seconds left in the half.
10-10 at halftime, barring the Raiders trying to score in 19 seconds.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by Bozco
Reminds me of the Buckeyes vs. Miami game.
totally different story. THat was a good game. This was a blowout.
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Funny the difference in play calling at the end of the half compared to the 49ers game.
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Haha. In a game most are saying could easily come down to a field goal, Janikowski just hooked a short one wide left. WOO!
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think that fumble just gave the raiders the win.
edit: nevermind. jets intercepted.
edit: raiders intercepted,lol. im not posting till the games over.
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Pennington looks an awful lot like Testaverde right now.
EDIT: Nevermind, another pick. Put Vinny in.
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/me kisses season goodbye.
God, Pennington has looked bad today. Well...next year :(
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Unbelievable the way he\'s crumbled before my eyes. This is not the same person I was watching 8 days ago.
1 INT in 240 pass attempts -- 2 in his last 10. Disgusting.
See Yuz.
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Hahahahaha... Shockwaves, I was generous giving the Raiders a win by a FG, this one is turning into a blowout.
Lets set the record straight, before any Jets fans attack me for laughing at the Jets misfortune, although the Patriots did not make the playoffs, Tom Brady has a Superbowl ring and MVP award, Pennington does not. :)
BOOO YAH!
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This is also Pennington\'s first year. He\'ll get one before he\'s done. And who gives a shit what Brady has. This is this year, and your team didn\'t even get to the playoffs. So stop laughing. I\'d say more, but being a Boston sports fan, you\'ve already been punished enough :p
Pennington was not himself tonight. Not at all. He kept on missing wide open throws. It was just bad. Next year though, he\'ll be back. Watch out.
Oh well. My pick at the beginning of the playoffs was Bucs and Titans. Still good on that.
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B-U-C-S BUCS BUCS BUCS!
Err...
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FINAL: 30-10 Raiders , J E T S go home! the raiders outscored the jets 20-0 in the 2nd half
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Jets and Giants = teh losers!
;)
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Originally posted by shockwaves
I\'d say more, but being a Boston sports fan, you\'ve already been punished enough :p
Well... its true the Patriots did not make the playoffs, but this year is over for both of them, so not even THIS year matters. The Patriots had their opportunity and went all the way, this year the Jets had theirs and blew it.
Baseball - fine... you\'ve got me in one sport.;P
Football - Patriots on the whole are a better team. More championships, and more recently some quality players.
Basketball - read my sig... 28 Hall of Famers, 16 NBA Championships, one legacy...
Hockey - Overall every season they turn out successful.
need I say more?
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
Well... its true the Patriots did not make the playoffs, but this year is over for both of them, so not even THIS year matters. The Patriots had their opportunity and went all the way, this year the Jets had theirs and blew it.
Baseball - fine... you\'ve got me in one sport.;P
Football - Patriots on the whole are a better team. More championships, and more recently some quality players.
Basketball - read my sig... 28 Hall of Famers, 16 NBA Championships, one legacy...
Hockey - Overall every season they turn out successful.
need I say more?
My favorite football team has been to the Superbowl twice in my memory, and won it once.
My favorite baseball team has been to the Series once, my second favorite has been there too many times to count, and won all but one of em.
My favorite hockey team has won the Stanley Cup in my memory.
My favorite basketball team has been to the NBA finals twice in my memory.
How many times has it been for your teams?
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Jets cost me 20 bucks, Niners cost me 35....
I hate football.
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^^^
Man that sucks, the Niners cost me 40 but the Raiders won me 60. It\'s all good.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
My favorite baseball team has been to the Series once, my second favorite has been there too many times to count, and won all but one of em.
And who did they lose to? ;) :)
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The same team my favorite team took out of the playoffs two years in a row :D
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Two years in a row?
The D-Backs have been to the playoffs 3 times. First time being eliminated by the Mets. The next season they didnt make it. Then they beat the Yanks in the WS, then last year got eliminated by the Cards.
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Hmm. What was I thinking of then? Meh, oh well. We beat you once at least. Oh well. As long as Boston still sucks, I don\'t care.
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Har.
Red Sox - infinate suck
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New England Patriots - Superbowl appearences in 1976, 1996, and 2001, winning it in 2001. Numerous Division titles to go along with it.
Boston Red Sox - Strong in the early going, can\'t say I\'ve seen them win a world series, but watched the homerun hit by Carlton Fisk in \'76 world series. As well as the Buckner through the leg error :(. Not a championship team by any means, but historical.
Boston Celtics - once again, let me quote my sig... "28 Hall of Famers... 16 NBA Championships... One Legacy..." The best franchise in sports history. Your basketball team what?
Boston Bruins - 5 Stanley Cup Championships.
pretty good resume...
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But how much of that was in your lifetime. Better yet, how much of that can you remember, from when it happened? By the age you put in your profile, this is what I\'d think, and correct me if I\'m wrong.
Football: You can remember 2 Super Bowl Appearances, and one win. Same as me.
Baseball: You can remember no World Series appearances. No contest. You were 2 and a half for the last one.
Basketball: You can remember no finals appearances, and no titles. You were 3 for their last appearance, and 2 for their last title.
Hockey: You can remember no Stanley Cup titles in one or two appearances. You were 4 for one appearance, and 6 for another.
I was born the same year. In the same timespan, I have seen one more Cup, 2 more finals appearances, and equal number of Super Bowls, and countless more World Series appearances, assuming that you can\'t remember things from when you were 2 and 3. And if you can, that only adds on a Super Bowl and a World Series for me in the same time span.
In addition: The Sox haven\'t won a title in over 80 years. The Bruins haven\'t in over 30. The longest it\'s been for a New York team is the Knicks, who won it the same year as the Bruins. They also got to the finals twice in the 90s, while the Celtics haven\'t been there since the mid 80s.
And if you want to argue historically, and not in our lifetimes, you win Basketball, while I win Hockey, Football, and Baseball.
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I\'m a Cubs fan. I win.
See Yuz.
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By footbal you are refering to the Giants, not Jets. I\'ve got nothing wrong with the Giants, its the Jets I despise.
The Jets would be 0 and 0. No Superbowl appearences and no Championships.
Giants are just dandy. Giants won 1 in 91\', and appeared in 2000\'
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Yeah, I\'m more of a Giants fan than a Jets fan. Also more of a Mets fan than a Yanks fan. See, you don\'t hate me as much as you thought you did :)
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true dat :)
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Originally posted by Videoholic
Did you even watch the game?
Outside of the interception returned for a TD in the first quarter and some other quick misshaps in the first quarter, I certainly would not say they got their asses reamed.
Steelers play Bucs 20 times Bucs would beat them 14 of them.
No really. :thepimp:
In the Buccaneer\'s short history since its inception in 1976, the Bucs have won only one game against the Steelers. One game. During the Steelers losing season.
And that last game against the Steelers....Did you run against the Steelers? No. Did you stop our runs? Nope. Your Defense got owned....Sapp had nothing to say. In fact....he got only one tackle that night. Wasn\'t that a Mondy Night game? Yes.
And what the hell is this?
Steelers play Bucs 20 times Bucs would beat them 14 of them.
Bucs played the Steelers a total of 7 times and they won only once. Have you been eating chads? I hear they\'re pretty popular in Florida.
:laughing:
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But the last I saw, the Bucs were in the NFC Title game, and the Steelers are out of the playoffs, what\'s up with that?
The Steelers lost to the Texans. They gave up 47 yards, and lost by 3 scores. Yeah, they\'re REAL good.
See Yuz.
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You can\'t go back in Bucs history. The teams of the past 5 years are totally different, so your history means nothing.
I was just saying put these two teams up against each other 20 games. God, why do I have to explain everything.
And you are correct about rushing. Bucs absolutely suck against the rush. Bucs shine when they get a 10+ point lead. Finally they have an offense that can do that.
Next week will be interesting. To be honest I think the Eagles have a 70% shot at winning. Hopefully the weather won\'t be nutty so we can have a good game.
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If the Bucs can just add a real quality running back, they would really scare me.
And as for the Eagles game, the Eagles just seem to be the one team that matches up the best with the Bucs. Personally, I\'m praying for snow. I love games in the snow. I think those are the best games, and they show who the real teams are.
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True, I want to see Warren Sapp\'s fat bald head covered in snow.
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What you doing buddy? Get up!!!!
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Haha... Jeff Garcia is funny. Poor Niners.
At least now Garcia can get back to San Fran and hit up the clubs and have hot rough anal sex until spring training! Go Niners!
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
True, I want to see Warren Sapp\'s fat bald head covered in snow.
hey, this is a family orientated forum. lets keep it clean,lol.
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How about I ejaculate on your face?
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
But the last I saw, the Bucs were in the NFC Title game, and the Steelers are out of the playoffs, what\'s up with that?
The Steelers lost to the Texans. They gave up 47 yards, and lost by 3 scores. Yeah, they\'re REAL good.
See Yuz.
Huskers suck.
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Originally posted by Videoholic
You can\'t go back in Bucs history. The teams of the past 5 years are totally different, so your history means nothing.
I was just saying put these two teams up against each other 20 games. God, why do I have to explain everything.
And you are correct about rushing. Bucs absolutely suck against the rush. Bucs shine when they get a 10+ point lead. Finally they have an offense that can do that.
Past 5 years? Then they\'re 0-2 against the Steelers. :p
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Personally, I\'m praying for snow. I love games in the snow. I think those are the best games, and they show who the real teams are.
That isnt entirely true. Take ANY team outside of their element and they already have a 50% chance to lose.
I personally love snow games as well. I do think that has to do with a Bears upbringing though :D
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I rooted for the Bucs against the 49er\'s but now I root for the Eagles over the Bucs. I doubt the Bucs could beat them in Tampa, let alone in Philly.
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Originally posted by luckee
That isnt entirely true. Take ANY team outside of their element and they already have a 50% chance to lose.
I personally love snow games as well. I do think that has to do with a Bears upbringing though :D
Or better yet, take the two best teams, which should be relatively evenly matched, and have them play. I\'ll bet no matter what the elements are, there\'s a 50% chance that either given team loses.
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I know you are doing exactly what I was, I just couldnt figure out how to word what I wanted to say :)
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Huskers suck.
Wow, that\'s one hell of an argument. And you know what else? Sarcasm kicks ass.
If you\'re not going to respond with something that makes a little bit of sense, then don\'t even bother. The only thing that the Bucs and Huskers have to do with eachother is the fact that the Bucs Defensive Coordinator was the Huskers\' Defensive Coordinator before Tom Osborne became the head coach.
See Yuz.
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The Eagles are going to destroy the Bucs. The Bucs offense can\'t compete against the Eagles defense. However if the Eagles score two touchdowns on the Bucs + the Cold weather they will almost automatically win. Seeing as how they\'ve beaten basically the same Bucs teams 3 straight times.
As for the Titans and Raiders... well it really depends on the health of Eddie George. Without George the Titans have almost no chance. With George who knows. McNair will go down fighting either way.
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Raiders I think will be hard to beat by anyone dont get me wrong I am not a Raiders fan i really hate them but the are playing smart prescion football something like you would draw up on a board and they are just doing it.
If a team cannot win just because the loss of one person the dont deserve to win its all about being a team and have the secondary to back up the 1st string.
PS: The Titans are gonna get blasted because of it.
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GO RAIDERS!!!!!
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Go Bengals!!!!!!!!!! :p
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WORD
Bengals rock!
/me was born in Cincinnati :(
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So sad, haven\'t had a winning season in 12 years...
2003 is the year boys... NFL is all about parity and the Bengals are due...
or not, oh well. Some teams were meant to be terrible...
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WHO DEY THINK IS GOING TO BEAT THEM BENGALS?
NOBODY!
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Watch out for the Seahawks next season.
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panthers and texans rule boys
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^^^^^
it\'s all about parity
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As of right now, I would love to get the Bengals in the madden league.
I\'d totally change my user title to "WHO-DEY!"
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GOOO CARDNIALS!!!! oh wait they did.
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What in the heck happened to all the threads? I thought it was my POS Mac screwing up again.
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No, it\'s that way for all of us. AND STOP CHANGING THE TITLE!!111 :evil: :p
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I looked in the admin and I don\'t see anything saying "I will fix it for you" so beyond that, I can\'t fix it. Maybe mm is doing more shit behind the scenes. No clue.
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What did you do Vid? tsk tsk LOL
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heh, I know not to mess with any of the programming shit. I\'m not that stupid. Close, but not quite.
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Someone is in trouble!!!!
Ace
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Oi, it works again!
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Lions are gone
Falcons are gone
Brett Favr.....i mean Packers are gone
football is gone for another year for me.
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same here. except my year went like this:
broncos didnt even make the playoffs with a decent record, and falcons lost to the eagles. hoped theyd at least re-match the buccs, but the buccs vs eagles should be a great game.
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Giants made the playoffs, lost in a bullshit game to San Fran
Jets made the playoffs, won a game, then got owned by the Raiders
Bengals...don\'t ask. WHO-DEY!
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What do you guys think about Marriuchi getting the boot? I\'m honestly wondering who\'s next to coach the team.
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I must say that I\'m looking forward to a change in coaching philosophy. While Mooch was a good coach, he was the wrong coach for the team. I\'m just disapointed that the Cowboys and Bengals already snagged up the 2 best free agent coaches.
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I think he should not have been fired. He had a very decent record during his years in San Fran. However, here\'s what you have to realize. These were supposed to be rebuilding years. The post Young, post Rice era. That team has crap for defense, and he gets them into the playoffs year after year. He took Garcia, a CFL QB, and made him into an All Star. He did a GREAT job in San Fran. At least he\'ll move onto a place that appreciates that.
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True he made the rebuilding years less painful, but as of late he took a mediocre defense and made them...mediocre, and he took an incredibly talented offense and made them....mediocre. He just seems to not fit in with the current team. He\'s a great coach, just not for us.
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Not at all, from my point of view. These are the rebuilding years. Look at the other teams that were good during the same period: The Bills, the Cowboys, etc. The Niners should have still been rebuilding. Garcia was not a great QB before. The only reason this offense looks so good is because he made them look good. And the defense was overrated from the start.
And you don\'t go 10-6 and win your division if you\'re mediocre on both sides of the ball. And you DON\'T have a great offense either. It is very good, but not great. That\'s just an opinion though. Great offenses are teams like Oakland and Kansas City.
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I agree with both Shocks and Omen. He was a great coach, took them to the playoffs everytime. But, to me, he seems to be missing something that would make the niner offense even better. He always makes it this far, then in the end, he kinda loses that touch that brought the team there. He was a great coach, but like Omen said, he just wasn\'t the best coach for the niners. Also, like Shocks said, the team wasn\'t mediocre, they got this far didn\'t they?
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Well I was trying to think of some coaching candidates, and the list isn\'t too bad.
Terry Donahue
Bill Walsh
Mike Holmgrem (rumors of a deal to bring him over from seattle)
Jimmy Johnson (hell he is without a job right now, but not bloody likely to become a niner)
Dennis Green
Jim Mora Jr.
quite frankly it\'s not as pitifull as I thought it would be, nonetheless it\'ll probably go to a guy already in the organization, ie Donahue, Mora, or Walsh.
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Yea Theoman. RAIDERS all the waY!
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i think it\'ll be Dennis Green... I can\'t stand Dennis Green.
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I see Dennis green being the new coach, which is fine by me. I\'d love to see his offensive style in San Fran.
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LOL, it better not be Jim Mora
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http://www.700level.com/fansview/fanpage/user.asp?u=BucFan1
Here is an idiotic website from the dregs of society known as Eagle Fans.
I liked this little note from a bucs fan. Pretty funny.
Oh, and God I hate this guy....
http://qbkiller.com/vc01.html
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the raiders are the best team in the NFL:gannon:MVP
rice:oldy
tim brown:catcher.they are the best team by far
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I honestly think that right now the best team is either Philly or Tampa. I really do think both are better than the Raiders. They play defense like no other teams in the league. That\'s what gets you wins in the playoffs.
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As long as the Raiders do not win the Super Bowl, all will be right in the world. I kind of want the Raiders to get to the Superbowl and then lose because the looks in the Raider fans\' glittery faces would be priceless.
"At least we one the AFC title" As Jerry Rice get in his hover-round scooter to get to the locker room.
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i think that tampa will be beat eagle which takes them to super bowl..then on the other side the raiders will wina dnt hats mean there going to the bowll...which really mean chucky ver/\'s his old team what a match-up
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What\'s the weather suppose to be like in Philly?
Oh and did you see Sapp is wanting to do another DNA test with the chick up in NJ who says her love child is his? They have had two already and now are going to have a third because the other two were opposing.
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Sapp...God I really don\'t like that guy. I hope the third comes back positive.
And the weather calls for light snow that morning, and temperatures in the high twenties. There should be some wind, and a wind chill factor of about 18 degrees. Enjoy that Tampa :)
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You think it will be like that at 3pm though?
And this is one thing I don\'t get. Don\'t both teams have to play in the cold? I could have sworn that both teams play on the same field. WHy do they always rag on southern teams when they have to play in the cold. It\'s not like the eagles players practice outside or anything. And they only play in a few cold weather games each year so its not like they are eskimos or anything.
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Bucs need to play some offensive if they want to win
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It\'s not just any cold weather team Vid. The Bucs have a history of choking in cold games. They\'ve won one game in uder 40 degree weather, and that was in Chicago. Plus, although they may not always practice in the cold, the Phili players live in it, while the Tampa ones don\'t. They are just more used to it, and it does make a difference. It gives them a bit of an edge.
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the buccs gotta hope to god brad johnson fights through his hurt back. Cuz knowing the eagles D, they will pop brad johnson pretty hard a couple times. Im gunna have to go with the eagles cuz i think the eagles offense can produce better against the buccs D than the buccs O can produce against the eagles D.
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Well, no matter what it will be a fun game to watch that\'s for sure.
I sure wish I knew how Vapor felt about the game....
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Get AIM and ask him yourself :p
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I\'ll watch the game - but I won\'t watch the superbowl this year. Niner\'s are out..Jet\'s are out. No reason for me to even watch it, as none of them teams left strike my interest. I had one of my vacation days scheduled for it, but canceled it once both teams was out.
:(
Oh well, maybe next year?
(Would love to see Pingleton get \'the ring\' so soon..)
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The bucs d will stop donavon and the eagles running game. if alstott had a game like he did against the 49\'ers, the bucs will win.
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I could never see myself not watching the super bowl, no matter who\'s in it. I\'m pulling for the Eagles from here, since they\'ll be my home town team in a year :). That, and McNabb is one of my favorite players in the NFL. Orangemen rock.
By the way, looks like good news for the Eagles. It\'s only 15 degrees out, which is colder than expected. This should be fun :)
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Originally posted by videoholic
You think it will be like that at 3pm though?
And this is one thing I don\'t get. Don\'t both teams have to play in the cold? I could have sworn that both teams play on the same field. WHy do they always rag on southern teams when they have to play in the cold. It\'s not like the eagles players practice outside or anything. And they only play in a few cold weather games each year so its not like they are eskimos or anything.
Haha, now this is funny. The past week in Ohio it has been a high of 20 degrees. Now try living in it for a while and what not and you get used to it. Now Vid, how about you come here and try to function in the morning when its 6 degrees out.
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just because I live in FL, that does not mean I mind the cold. Actually I have been in the cold numerous times. Both for fun and for work and it doesn\'t bother me.
It\'s not like you are out in 6 degree weather naked.
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Um, yeah. The cold weather really seems to be bothering the bucs.
Now I know it\'s only the half, but shit, Eagles aren\'t doing jack crap.
But I\'m sure it\'s more the Eagles doing poorly than the Bucs kicking ass.
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Hmm, the Eagles Defense seems to be doing damn well on 1st and 2nd down. That doesn\'t mean shit on 3rd down -- the Bucs are tearing it up on 3rd and long\'s, which is visibly demoralizing the Eagles.
Eagles trying to put some more points onto the board, and they\'re ****ing up, going backwards -- got to at least make this a 4 point game, if not tie it up. Still got 1:20 to play in the half...
See Yuz.
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...and the second I say that, McNabb fumbles the ball away with a chance to make it a 4 point game. 17-10 Bucs at halftime, and I\'m wondering what\'s wrong with the Eagles defense.
See Yuz.
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its gonna be an all Pirate superbowl this year.
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That\'s exactly what my negihbor said about an hour ago.
An all pirate bowl.
It would be pretty cool for Gruden to play his old team.
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Lol
You guys who think Scrambling QBs are all that what do you have to say now?
2 pocket passers in the superbowl
Pocket passer for life until a scrambler actually wins something.
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Mobile QBs have won Super Bowls.
And this wasn\'t just a case of the two QBs. Tampa just outplayed Philly all around.
Oh well, I saw it coming really. Afterall, I did pick Bucs and Titans in the Super Bowl at the beginning of the playoffs, knowing the Bucs would have to win here.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
[Band I\'m wondering what\'s wrong with the Eagles defense.
See Yuz. [/B]
Im guessing they over estimated tampa since they beat them badly; consistently in the past.
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raiders offense seems to be doing pretty well
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And so is the titans.
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Come on Titans...
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Originally posted by Clowd
Lol
You guys who think Scrambling QBs are all that what do you have to say now?
2 pocket passers in the superbowl
Pocket passer for life until a scrambler actually wins something.
Huh? Did Gannon already win?
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McNair, as much as it isn\'t true, considers himself a passing QB, hence the nickname "Air McNair". Unless he spent his time flying at Alcorn State, I\'m pretty sure that means that he likes to throw, considering he threw for over 6,000 yards in college -- not bad.
See Yuz.
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Eagles lost......... :(
GO RAIDERS!!!
I want the raiders to whup TB\'s ass at the superbowl.
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You are insane. But it\'s cool because you have proven yourself time and time again that you really don\'t know a whole lot about the Bucs.
You guys do realize that this team no longer wears orange, don\'t you?
You guys have all ragged on the team like they can\'t score.
You do realize that besides the first minute of the game the eagles only scored a single field goal?
Did you see some of the field position the bucs got out of?
The game wasn\'t even close.
Yawn... 60 more minutes...
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The Eagles have done that throughout the past month.
In the Giants game, they scored a TD 1:30 into the game...they didn\'t score again, and the Giants, who completely outplayed the Eagles, won in OT.
The game today was sloppy, and quite frankly, I think lower of the Eagles than anything. The Eagles were given opportunities, and their pourous offense shoved them away.
Whoever wins the game going on right now, and I must say, it\'s a damn good one, will win the Super Bowl. Go AFC.
See Yuz.
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I don\'t see anything in either of these teams that poses a threat to the Bucs. I\'m not being a homer, I just don\'t see it.
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Bucs vs Raiders...
Oh God. How many stories can they do on Gruden playing his old team?
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Originally posted by videoholic
Bucs vs Raiders...
Oh God. How many stories can they do on Gruden playing his old team?
Entirely too many - it\'s going to be a Jon Gruden vs. Old Mates fest the entire week.
Then again, thank god it IS only a week, and not two...imagine all of the crap they\'d dig up if the media had 2 weeks to work with :p
See Yuz.
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Um pocket passer? Rich Gannon is a scrambler, just because he doesn\'t have 600 yds on the ground doesn\'t make him a pocket passer.
Anyways, woohoo at least I have 1 team in the Bowl.
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GO RAIDERS!!!! ERRRRR BUCS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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I called it!
Raiders over Bucs by a point, my vision is coming more true every week
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if the broncos dont make it to the superbowl i couldnt care less about who wins. i just want the game to be close since it will be the last football game ill see in....too lazy to count the number of months but itd be a while.
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hey my favorite team is the panthers i think i\'ll be waiting a pretty long time till i see my favorite team in the super bowl
goo panthers
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Well I just don\'t see the bucs getting beat. THey are scoring at will and holding offenses down to virtually nothing with their defense.
BUt I guess it was just the niners and the eagles doing poorly.
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Eagles won, they win it all. Bucs win, they win it all. Raiders and Titans never had a chance in the first place.
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Yeah, right *rolls eyes*
Raiders by 2 TD\'s. You heard it here. Rich Gannon throws 3 TD passes, and Charlie Garner slashes and dashes for a 100 yard day. The Raiders have what the Niners and Eagles failed to display - a damn good offense, and a power running threat (Tyrone Wheatley and Zach Crockett). A Ton of proven vets, and the Bucs are here for the first time. Now, we can only hope that Warren Sapp doesn\'t do what he did the last time he was in a Title situation at any level -- party all week.
Raiders 31, Bucs 17.
See Yuz.
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I\'ll give you charlie Garner. Bucs have a tough time with the run defense, but to say that the niners and eagles don\'t have a good offense, well, um, how the hell did they get to the playoffs in the first place?
Good luck on your prediction. It will only come true if the raiders jump on the bucs early. If the bucs get a ten point lead, pin your ears back cause it could be a doozy.
How many TDs did Eagles get yesterday?
How many TDs did Niners get?
Oh, nevermind.
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Defense wins championships.
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then how in the f*ck did the rams ever win ;)
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Originally posted by videoholic
I\'ll give you charlie Garner. Bucs have a tough time with the run defense, but to say that the niners and eagles don\'t have a good offense, well, um, how the hell did they get to the playoffs in the first place?
Good luck on your prediction. It will only come true if the raiders jump on the bucs early. If the bucs get a ten point lead, pin your ears back cause it could be a doozy.
How many TDs did Eagles get yesterday?
How many TDs did Niners get?
Oh, nevermind.
Niners - Off an Emotional High...their Defense never had a chance. Their Offense was shut down the entire game, and never had a running game to speak of (I was rooting for the Bucs...god I hate Terrell Owens)
Eagles - Haven\'t had an offense period. They\'ve relied on defense all year, and their Offensive Line didn\'t show up.
As for My prediction, I\'m saying that if the Bucs offensive line plays like they have for the majority of the year. If they play like they did yesterday, it will be a much different story -- I was quite impressed with their performance.
See Yuz.
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well for eagles offense not being very good all year as you say, McNabb sure gave me some pretty good points.
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Yes, for running...damn him and his 44 yard TD run on MNF, blah.
Outside of that, the Eagles really didn\'t have anybody. No Power running presence whatsoever cost them from what they showed.
See Yuz.
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OAKLAND ALL THE WAY!!!
I hope they teach TB a lesson, they need a serious wake up call....it should of been Niners vs. Raiders...but ohh well..God I hate Sapp.
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Oh thank God. As long as Mr. Bling Bling says Raiders then we are just fine.
How can TB need a wake up call? My guess is they are giving everyone else the wake up call. This isn\'t the team that use to wear Bucko Bruce.
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TB is a good team no doubt about it. I JUST WANT TO SEE THEM LOSE!!!
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I want to see John Gruden\'s face when he loses to his old team.
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hopefully you won\'t see it. Doubt if you will.
Very odd that no one wants a team with such a losing past to win. I think it\'s pretty cool. I\'m only a bucs fan because I live here. Plus the fact I covered the team for 5 years and got to know a lot of the players.
I really think if they show up, Raiders don\'t have a chance.
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I really could care less who wins, but I\'d like to see Tim Brown finally get \'the ring\'. He deserves it, durin\' his long career and being the great player he is, he has never had a super-bowl ring. I think a lot of people will never consider him a great player without that ring. Sad, but true.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
OAKLAND ALL THE WAY!!!
I hope they teach TB a lesson, they need a serious wake up call....it should of been Niners vs. Raiders...but ohh well..God I hate Sapp.
You have no clue as to what you\'re talking about.
Tampa Bay\'s got a good Defense, but if that defense slips up once, and the way the Raiders D has played in the past month, if the Raiders get up early, I think it\'s over. It\'s great that the Bucs learned how to score -- most of the points caused by the Defense (Only scored 3 points in the 2nd half if you don\'t count the Ronde Barber INT to seal it).
See Yuz.
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Defense wins championships.
Tampa has the better defense. They have the NFL\'s best defense. And they can play offense pretty well too, for once.
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Here is the quick rundown of the Bucs defensive rankings.
overall #1
pts.scored #1 12.2 per game (philly was #2 at 15.1)
:eek: :eek:
vs. pass #1
vs. run #4
Anything can happen in this game,and the matchups for this one seem to make it one for the ages,but there is absolutely no weakness in this defense
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Originally posted by ben_high
Anything can happen in this game,and the matchups for this one seem to make it one for the ages,but there is absolutely no weakness in this defense
Tell that to the Saints.
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Raiders have virtually no running game. Bucs will smoke them.
ALso the Riaders don\'t blitz much so Johnson should have time to find his #5 receiver.
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Guess again Vid. The Raiders were #3 in the AFC in sacks, #6 in the NFL. That puts them tied with Tampa in the sacks department. They can bring pressure.
Oh, and by the numbers, the Raiders not only have a better rushing offense than the Bucs, but a better rushing defense as well. They are 3rd in the NFL, you\'re 5th.
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To go on with that, the Raiders had to face Priest Holmes once, Tomlinsoln Twice, and Ricky Williams -- the 3 leading rushers in the NFL.
Maybe that will tell you something.
See Yuz.
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this game is a no brainer bucs D is unstop able ..even tho the raiders have a great offense there old and cant out run the DB that the bucs have so
My pick Bucs by 7
28-21
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Yes, the same Defense that has been shut down and looked like fools the last 3 years in the playoffs, and has added nearly nobody to that defense, is NOW Unstoppable...your ignorance is painful.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by shawn9990
this game is a no brainer bucs D is unstop able ..even tho the raiders have a great offense there old and cant out run the DB that the bucs have so
Last I checked, you don\'t need to stop the defense. The old arguement comes up way too often too, by the way. What about Jerry Porter? Or Charlie Garner? There are plenty of offensive weapons on this team that have plenty of playing years left in them. And besides, the age hasn\'t shown yet. This team has not only had the number one offense, but they\'ve gotten better as the year has gone on. Doesn\'t sound like an overly old team to me.
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RAIDERS BY 3
YOU CHEEKY MONKIES
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this team is going to be in the super bowl next with warner at QB
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im hoping that griese is released from the broncos(which is what iv heard) and that they pick up warner. But iv heard maybe the bears and also staying with the rams. As long as the broncos get a quarterback thats not steve beurline(former panther may i add :) ) who just doesnt cut it as a starting QB, and not griese who complains about everything, doesnt show the want of getting back on the field like most players do when their hurt, and is unpredictable. This year either griese has been either very good or horrible. So i think they need to get a third year QB, work with whoever it would be, and turn him into a bronco QB. Also they need another corner cuz deltha oneal is the only one who stands out, but he gets penalized a lot for how much contact he plays with which is a bunch of BS to me, but what ya gunna do?
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Yes, the same Defense that has been shut down and looked like fools the last 3 years in the playoffs, and has added nearly nobody to that defense, is NOW Unstoppable...your ignorance is painful.
See Yuz.
Comparing this team to any past teams is freaking ridiculous.
Dungy is a joke of a coach. He plays to not lose. He doesn\'t play to win. We had shitty as hell offensive coordinators.
Now we have a guy who lights a fire under their asses. A guy who game plans like a mother.
A guy who knows the raiders weaknesses like no other.
Who cares how the Raiders are against the run. Last I checked our run game sucks ass anyway.
One thing I think we can agree on is that this will be one of the best matchups on paper in many many years.
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The thing about Gruden knowing the Raiders\' weaknesses goes both ways. They know the type of offense he is running. They know how he coaches. So they also know his weaknesses.
I want the Bucs to win, but in all honesty, I see the Raiders winning. Actually, I see the Raiders winning big.
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then you aren\'t invited over to my party.. :(
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Hey, at least I want the Bucs to win. :)
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shockwaves got the WRONG right idea the bucs will take it and wont even look back but sapp will probley get in a fight or something...thats what makes the bucs so good is that once you start to watch a game of there you cant turn it off
ther you shock
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Um...I said the Raiders would win big, not that the Bucs would win.
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Whoever said it should be Niners and Raiders should be smacked...anyway... I think it comes down to how well the Raiders play defense on Sunday. If the Raiders defense has a good game then the Raiders will likely win. The Raiders offense is almost impossible to stop. I think they\'ve scored less than 20 points only three times this year. (All 3 of those games were losses however)
On the other hand, if the Bucs can get some turnovers and control the clock and have a similar offensive performance to the Philly game, then they will win.
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax
im hoping that griese is released from the broncos(which is what iv heard) and that they pick up warner. But iv heard maybe the bears and also staying with the rams. As long as the broncos get a quarterback thats not steve beurline(former panther may i add :) ) who just doesnt cut it as a starting QB, and not griese who complains about everything, doesnt show the want of getting back on the field like most players do when their hurt, and is unpredictable. This year either griese has been either very good or horrible. So i think they need to get a third year QB, work with whoever it would be, and turn him into a bronco QB. Also they need another corner cuz deltha oneal is the only one who stands out, but he gets penalized a lot for how much contact he plays with which is a bunch of BS to me, but what ya gunna do?
Well if the bears are able to get Warner, they will be quite the scary team. While their running game was pretty weak this year, with the addition of a passing threat the entire offense should open up. Then with the defense coming back off of injuries, this team will possibly challenge for the divisional championship.
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Oh how I would love to see Warner behind the wheel in Chicago.
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no no no,, i no , and will love to see warner in the hole for panthers...panthers 2003-2004 season 11-5,,, next step superbowl
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Originally posted by luckee
Oh how I would love to see Warner behind the wheel in Chicago.
oh god man no no no.
the last thing we need is another 30-something QB.
im lookin at mike mcmahon from detroit, but i dont think they wanna get rid of him.
i would take geise over warner just cause of the age factor.
eh, i guess if they do get warner, i wont bitch, well ok i will.
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Wrong way to go, Luke.
After the \'98 Season, the Chiefs had a decision to make. Either keep Rich Gannon, who was, at the time, 35 years old, but was winning games, or go with Elvis Grbac, who at the time was 26, probably had the better ability, but wasn\'t as much of a winner.
The Chiefs chose Grbac because he was younger. Which one\'s still in the NFL?
See Yuz.
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my question is do you guys think that LA will be getting a team either exoansion or old team....i live in la and was wondering what you guys thought ?
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the chargers were \'threatening\' to leave san diego. but their just a bunch of whiners. were building them a fricken stadium for crying out loud, and they still complain. i dunno if its the players or the staff but theyre getting kinda annoying. id love for them to stay but its gunna get to a point where i could care less. Even though im not a chargers fan, its still cool to have a hometeam.
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Shawn: You\'ll get one soon enough, one way or another.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/michael_silver/news/2003/01/23/open_mike/
You guys read this? Pretty funny story about Rich Gannon
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even thought i dont like the raiders i do like gannon,brown,and rice....
the only reason i dont like them is the owner ...hes the worst taking football away from LA
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technically he returned them to Oakland.
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But didn\'t he also take them away from Oakland? He\'s like an indian giver.
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If you should hate anyone, it\'s the Rams :)
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24-3 welcome to the raider nation!
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Out of all the predictions I think you will be by far the most wrong.
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Here I go. On a limb. 27-16 Bucs.
I actually don\'t think Riders will score more than 10, but I\'m goin gto give them an extra TD for the hell of it.
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I don\'t remember giving my prediction, so here it goes.
~~TheOmen\'s Official prediction~~
32-15 Raiders the victors
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LUKE\'S OFFICIAL PICK IS?
da raider - 17
bucs - 13
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im going to the big game sunday baby yayaya 4000 dollars tickets
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theomen, you do realize that the average score given up by the bucs is like 8, right?
Gruden knows every little quirk about every player on that offense. He knows exactly what he hoped the other defenses wouldn\'t figure out. This is a HUGE advantage.
Fingers crossed.
The polls I\'ve seen are all like 48%-52% of the people picking the raiders. So close. This should be a fun game to watch.
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Polls are misleading. You have to factor in at least a 10% margin of error due to the idiot factor.
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Yeah, so it\'s really 58% for the bucs
WOHOOO!!!!!
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You wish :p
Although to be honest, it seems that even though the spread is 4 points to the Raiders, most of the experts I\'ve been hearing have predicted a Tampa victory.
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yea polls never tell the truth look at the election a few a years a go aha
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I hope this SB goes well. At least a close game, who knows, we may have a upcoming classic on our hands.
Although, if it is a blow out....there\'s always the commericals :)
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I know the stats vid, but I figure why not throw out a really strange prediction, and if it comes true, I\'m a bad ass. I mean I gave TB 15, think of the ways you can get 15 (5 field goals. a touchdown a saftey and 2 field goals, or 3 field goals and 3 safeties, 2 td\'s and a 2pt conversion :D)
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My prediction...
Raiders- 21
Bucs- 16
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i think the score will be
Radiers = 21 pnt
Bucs = 18pnt
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Damn. Kiss of death...
All the ESPN guys picked the bucs. Every one of them. Ugh...
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I\'m wearing my ultra cool ESPN fleece pullover, and I\'m predicting the Raiders. Does that make you feel any better?
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I\'m holding true to my pick.
Raiders - 31
Bucs - 17
Oh, and Tony, no it doesn\'t. I\'m not wearing mine, and I pick the Raiders. I win :)
Anyway, is there a reason why a Canadian was singing "God Bless America"? Puzzling.
See Yuz.
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does anyone else have the feeling that the refs will decide the game? first the official was totally confused on the coin toss now this "fumble" which was completely obvious that it wasnt was ruled a fumble and the bucs basically wasted a challenge.
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Let me guess, Raiders offense is doing poorly. Yeah. It can\'t be the Bucs defense owning them. Yeah, it\'s the Raiders...
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Is the Raiders defense playing horribly? Yeah, cause it can\'t be the Bucs.
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well even though the Raiders are getting their asses kicked, I\'m enjoying the display of defense. being an old linebacker and corner back all my life, I\'m a sucker for good defense. I\'ve even donned my Bucs hat, so that I can piss everyone off at my house. NE ways, go Raiders :rolleyes:
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LOL, Raiders just had a big reality check.
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Game is going as I thought it would.
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I\'ve never really watched the Bucs defense, since they rarely play the Niners, and I\'m really liking what I see. God I wish the Niners could play defense like that....
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No, it\'s not the players, it\'s the Defensive Coordinator!
MONTE KIFFIN 0WNZ J00 ALL!!!
Lexington, Nebraska native. Fear the greatness that IS Monte Kiffin.
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Nobody gives him the respect he deserves.
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Could someone please let the Raiders know the game has begun?
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uh........I think the raiders boat has SUNK! 34-3 with about 24 mins left
:hat:Scottyj:hat:
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Wow...this is really embarrasing to the AFC. That\'s all I can really think of right now.
Congrats, Bucs, you deserve it, and it\'s VERY apperant that the Bucs wanted this game more. Savor it, and maybe the AFC will decide that letting the Raiders represent the conference is just flat out stupid.
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the browns would have put up more of a fight than oakland!
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Hah, man, the CHIEFS would have put up a better fight than this!
Chiefs could have contained this offense, and the Chiefs offensive line would have played much better against the Bucs D Line, and given Priest a chance to make some plays...
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34-9....should have gone for the extra point
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Could be an interesting 4th quarter. Blocked punt TD just happened. Looks like we may have a game here. COME ON BUCS!!!!
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OH OH OH! ERIC JOHNSON! LINCOLN SOUTHEAST HIGH SCHOOL REPRESENT!!!
Yes folks, this game DOES revolve around the state of Nebraska and football, RAH!!
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34-15 Tampa Bay they misseed a 2-point conversion again!
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It\'s too bad Tampa has such a terrible offense. They\'d probably score a lot more points than the raiders.
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It\'s too bad you\'re so sarcastic, maybe I could take you seriously one of these times ;)
Man, Martin Gramatica is my hero. I was really hoping he was goona pull a Gero Ypremmian, that would have made my football season :)
See Yuz.
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I am only sarcastic because I have had to read all this crap from everyone talking about how our offense sucks and raiders rule and whatever.
See yall (Southern Style)
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Well, from what I\'ve read, it seems like everybody\'s been touting the Bucs this entire week, and now you\'re getting your game. Then again, The Raiders are only down by 19 with 8 minutes left, and driving -- HERE COME THE RAIDERS!!
See Yuz.
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JERRRY RICE! IT\'S A TWO SCORE GAME!
2 pointer...Porter gets pushed out, and the ref thinks that\'s okay.
34-21, 6 minutes left...LETS GO RAIDERS!
See Yuz.
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Tampa won...no one ever comes back in these situations. I mean like 20 points beyind at the start of 4th, no chance. Only 5 minutes or so left. Raiders lossed.
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Games over. Tampa scored again.
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DONE!!!
Gannon just threw a pick for a TD. Well still some time left, but AFC\'s domination in Superbowls has come to an end.
Can\'t wait for the probowl. Buc\'s defense deserves the MVP.
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They scored again! Picked again and in for the TD. Embarassing.
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5 picks player of the game for Tampa Bay Rich Gannon!!!
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well for the 4th straight year, a franchise has won its first superbowl.
Bucs put on a wonderful performance. Raiders are screwed for next year and don\'t even have a Superbowl ring to go out with.
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Bah, Bon Jovi is playing. Worst superbowl ever.
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Somebody got owned today!!! F*CK RAIDER NATION!!!!!!!
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yeah... I expected this to be a memorable superbowl... blowout superbowls suck. Last years was great, St. Louis vs. Tennessee was pretty good. This years was too lopsided.
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oh by the way,
Al Davis go cry me a f*cking river... you still aint got anything!
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i dislike defensive teams and superbowls
ultra boring
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Tampa won...no one ever comes back in these situations. I mean like 20 points beyind at the start of 4th, no chance. Only 5 minutes or so left. Raiders lossed.
uh...yeah.....pittsburgh came back and beat the browns during the wild card game that way.......I was Pi$$ED!
BTW we got G4tv! it is an all Video game Cable show!
:hat:ScottyJ:hat:
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Originally posted by Clowd
i dislike defensive teams and superbowls
ultra boring
amen to that... not that its boring, they suck because it becomes lopsided and people dont care anymore.
Special team - close superbowls are the best...
just like last year Clowd ;)
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So you would rather see a game be 56 to 53 than 10 to 7? I don\'t see how anyone can like offensive teams over great defensive teams. I said it once and I\'ll say it again, defense wins championships. It was a Bucs year for championships too, BUCkeyes and BUCcaneers
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so lets see if the Milwalkee Bucks can win the NBA championship.
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I\'d rather watch the \'99 Rams then the \'00 Ravens anyday
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You also might be slightly partial.
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Haha, just a bit. Just like I\'d rather watch the \'95 Huskers than the \'02 Buckeyes, of course :)
Anyway, this Super Bowl...didn\'t feel like one. The egotistical guys got their Title, good for them. I\'m also glad, though, that the man who runs the system -- Monte Kiffin, got his Title, too. He\'s got a title on the 2 biggest levels of Football, College and Pro.
See Yuz.
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I like how Shannon Sharpe put it. He didn\'t know which team he wanted to win cause he didn\'t know which one he would rather see not win, Romanowski or Sapp.
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Do I need to look back and pull back quotes from earlier. There is nothing in this Raiders offense that looks like it could be a problem for the bucs.
Essentially Rich Gannon played a tie game. He scored himself 21 points, and he threw 3 INTs for TDs.
He\'s so generous.
Bucs own.
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That was a pretty lame ass superbowl. Too one sided. tampas defense couln\'t be cracked.
And what about the commercials? :laughing: Lame.. lol
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Couldn\'t be cracked by the Number one offense and MVP of the league.
Bucs defense Owns.
106-37 in the playoffs. Niners OWNED, Eagles OWNED, Raiders OWNED!
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I like it Vid, making the rounds on all the na-sayers.
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Why not? You think they\'d keep quite to me? Bah, no way.
The Defense Owned All
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No, I\'m completely agreeing with it. Thats exactly what I did.
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Originally posted by Clowd
i dislike defensive teams and superbowls
Personally, my favorite types of teams are the real teams that win with defense and a running game. Those are more important than some flashy vertical offense any day.
And congrats Vid. Enjoy it :)
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Yeah, right *rolls eyes*
Raiders by 2 TD\'s. You heard it here. Rich Gannon throws 3 TD passes, and Charlie Garner slashes and dashes for a 100 yard day. The Raiders have what the Niners and Eagles failed to display - a damn good offense, and a power running threat (Tyrone Wheatley and Zach Crockett). A Ton of proven vets, and the Bucs are here for the first time. Now, we can only hope that Warren Sapp doesn\'t do what he did the last time he was in a Title situation at any level -- party all week.
Raiders 31, Bucs 17.
See Yuz.
Rich did throw 3 TDs. TO THE BUCS!!!!
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
OAKLAND ALL THE WAY!!!
I hope they teach TB a lesson, they need a serious wake up call....it should of been Niners vs. Raiders...but ohh well..God I hate Sapp.
I think Tampa is awake now. The news is funny. People are all over the streets going nuts. Thanks for waking us up Mr. Bling Bling.
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
I want to see John Gruden\'s face when he loses to his old team.
Maybe next year he will. Nevermind. Oakland is history. They will be lucky to hit 500 next year with the salary cap hit they are going to go through.
Oh, and don\'t worry, I\'ll dump myself 50 posts for spam.
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Oh this is a doozy.....
Originally posted by Shawn9990
"this game is a no brainer bucs D is unstop able ..even tho the raiders have a great offense there old and cant out run the DB that the bucs have so
My pick Bucs by 7
28-21"
Rol Jamas then replied with a wonderful little message:
Originally posted by ROL Jamas
Yes, the same Defense that has been shut down and looked like fools the last 3 years in the playoffs, and has added nearly nobody to that defense, is NOW Unstoppable...your ignorance is painful.
See Yuz.
Do I need to say anything?
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Originally posted by videoholic
Maybe next year he will. Nevermind. Oakland is history. They will be lucky to hit 500 next year with the salary cap hit they are going to go through.
Oh, and don\'t worry, I\'ll dump myself 50 posts for spam.
It was all or nothing for Oakland this year. Looks like it will be a while till we will see a decent team. It would be a waste to see all those draft picks go down the drain... even worse... their starters.
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Bucs = Pats
One hit wonders. :p
Must be a lot of people in Tampa Bay drinking up Heinekins and latte. ;)
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Yeah, that brings up a point. The draft picks. Heh, they may have our 1st and 2nd round picks, but they are very very late picks.
Bucs shouldn\'t be a one hitter. Actually they may be, but it depends on what they do to dip under the cap. There is a good chance that they may lose only a few players to get room. This is not a team that threw a bunch of cash to make it this year fast. This is the same defense we\'ve had for several years, but they\'ve never been able to play with a 2 score lead. That lead makes a huge difference in this Defense.
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well Bucs and Pats are in a much better situation than the over-the-cap Raiders are ;)
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the way I see it, if TB trades for Rich Gannon, and puts it DB\'s as Wr\'s, the team would score 40 a game.
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Originally posted by ooseven
i think the score will be
Radiers = 21 pnt
Bucs = 18pnt
look everyone i was only of by 30 pnts
not bad for a newbie
;)
at least i got the Raders score right.
Woot
:D
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Originally posted by GmanJoe
Bucs = Pats
One hit wonders. :p
Raiders = No hit wonders on the oldies station
Give me one hit ANY day.
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Today is a glorious day for the Detriot Lions. Man it feels like we just won the Super Bowl or something :)
Bye Bye Marty....I hope you get ran over by a bus....... just cuz
:)
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Well, apperantly congratulating Vid on a win in the Super Bowl isn\'t enough. I must hear for it, first. Bozco I deserved, but after I figure out why I\'m getting shit for congratulating you on a Super Bowl win, I\'ll tell you all.
Vid, I\'m not an avid Raiders fan, so quite frankly, I couldn\'t care less about your barrage of quoteabile insults. What I did care about, however, was when the Huskers washed your pitiful Gators off the ****ing field in the \'96 Fiesta Bowl. 62-24. I remember it like it was yesterday. Good times, I must say.
Like Hurricanes said, one hit wonders. Chiefs in 2003 :)
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I\'ll take a bet right now that the bucs will at least get to the championship game the next two years.
Rich McKay is the mack daddy. There are no key people needing to be resigned this year other than they kind Dexter Jackson and a Shelton Quarles who I think they may trade. I think Sapp still has another year possibly two, but they may need to rework him as well.
My barrage of quotable insults were wonderful. They are simply reposts of what you said. Gotta love that.
And I couldn\'t care less about the Gators in 96. We were not expected to win. I never expected them to win. And I certainly never said the Gators would smoke the Huskers.
Chiefs can certainly go on to the Superbowl. Easy win for the bucs.
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I got the Raiders score right, and uh about the Bucs score...I meant to say 16x3 :) Yeah thats it.
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Originally posted by videoholic
I\'ll take a bet right now that the bucs will at least get to the championship game the next two years.
The championship game means nothing. Unless you make the Super Bowl, it\'s meaningless. :p
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Well I am giving you two years. If you twist my arm and give me good odds I\'ll take Super Bowl for Next year and Championship game the following year. Ah hell, I\'ll take SB for both.
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Superbowl for both? I\'ll give you about 7:1. :)
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bucs will be back again raiders in 57 years but nothin soon
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Giants vs. Jets next year.
You know it\'s happening :)
Hey, for the first time...ever...both teams actually have some real quality young talent.
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more like
Cincinatti vs. Detroit...
come on they\'re due...
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WHO-DEY!
Hey, the Bengals have actually been there. Twice. And they came damn close to winning it too.
You wanna really impress me? Give me a Cubs Sox Series :)
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Originally posted by videoholic
I think Tampa is awake now. The news is funny. People are all over the streets going nuts. Thanks for waking us up Mr. Bling Bling.
What streets? Not on mine. This superbowl SUCKED. Yeah, Bucs pretty much ****ed the raiders, but there was no fun in the game. That Pass interference call to that uncatchable pass would of stopped the Buccs during that one play, and things could of looked alot different if the Raiders have gotten the ball back that series. But no, bad call.
I can\'t believe Steve Young was going for the Bucs. Bucs are going to the the next Patriots, you aren\'t going to hear about them next year. As for the SuperBowl next year, I don\'t even have to say it, b/c you all ready know who\'s going to make it this time. 49ERS!!
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Tampa Bay is a city now that they won a World Championship right???
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Detroit in 2006
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
What streets? Not on mine.
Yep, you\'ve verified it. Your a complete moron.
I live in Tampa little man.
The team came in last night and the entire stadium was over capacity to welcome them home. Today is a parade for the team through downtown. Should be cool. Then this weekend is Gasparilla. One freaking huge parade where they throw beeds and show the titties. It\'s good to be the king.
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Looks like my Niners might be able to play defense in the year 2003. In other words, the Niners are interviewing Monte Kiffin, TB\'s defensive coordinator. If the niners could lan him, I would be immensly pleased.
*crosses fingers
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That guy is the key to everything. Screw Dungy. Kiffin was in place before Dungy came aboard. He is the mack daddy and I\'m sorry to see him go, but I just can\'t see him staying.
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TB has the fact that the Niner ownership doesn\'t believe in paying coaches, in their favor. The most that the old Doc will shell out for a coach will be in the low 2 mil neighborhood, and I\'m not sure if that will be enough to lure him away from the defending champions.
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Originally posted by videoholic
And I couldn\'t care less about the Gators in 96. We were not expected to win. I never expected them to win. And I certainly never said the Gators would smoke the Huskers.
Chiefs can certainly go on to the Superbowl. Easy win for the bucs.
Gators were favored in that game as far as the line goes, look it up.
Chiefs Offensive Line > Raiders Offensive Line
And yes, Monte Kiffin is awesome. He\'s younger than Vermeil, and a year older than Parcells, which I found amazing. He was the Defensive Coordinator for the Huskers over 30 years ago for christs sake. Either way, I can bet that he stays put. If he would have wanted to coach at any level, he would have put up more of a fight when Bob Devaney gave the job to Tom Osborne, who at the time was just a Quarterbacks Coach. Just like that, if Kiffin wanted the Niners job, he\'d take it, but I highly doubt it.
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I dunno. There was word that he wasn\'t happy not even getting interviewed for the bucs job. Money talks and the 49ers have plenty of it.
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but we don\'t use it, since the DeBartalo\'s left, the niner franchise has become a business and not a team. Thus they want to cut cost in every aspect, especially coaching and special teams.
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Omen: that\'s not true. If it were, you\'d be the Bengals.
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well, John York spends it. but not for coaches. He\'s said it before, that he doesn\'t believe in over paid coaches. I hope that he\'ll open his pocket book on this one, but I have a bad feeling. As it is, he\'s trying to "downsize", or so the rumors say.
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The Bengals are the biggest disgrace in sports today. Worse than the Expos. Forget any other owner, Mike Brown is the worst, by a lot. He should be shot.
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Word
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Originally posted by videoholic
Yep, you\'ve verified it. Your a complete moron.
I live in Tampa little man.
The team came in last night and the entire stadium was over capacity to welcome them home. Today is a parade for the team through downtown. Should be cool. Then this weekend is Gasparilla. One freaking huge parade where they throw beeds and show the titties. It\'s good to be the king.
Ohh, yeah Im a moron, everyone should know where you live right..I mean you\'re very important.
49ers have good defensive players, that coach would just make them better, and would be cool to see him go to the niners.
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i had his address tattooed on my scrotum
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damn Kiffin re-signed with the bucs. I knew the Niners wouldn\'t get him.....f*ck\'n niners
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Very cool. Apparently he was ready to get on a plane to SF too.
They ahd a victory celebration where he pulled up the DL coach to the stand. I knew he was doing that to push him into the spot light.
I\'m just glad they were able to keep him. Sweet deal too.
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Well it looks like Dennis Erickson is the new coach of the niners.... I\'m not sure how I feel about this.
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I heard that today. Very interesting. What qualities does this guy posess that is intriguing to SF besides a pulse? Has he done a damn thing in the NFL?
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He won a national championship at the UM,but most (meaning me)felt he road Jimmy Johnson\'s coat tails to that NC.It did\'nt hurt that JJ left the team stocked with talent either.He was also the reason for Miami\'s sanctions a few years ago.I believe he resigned that position rather than be fired for the violations.
He didn\'t do much at all in Seattle.After being fired he went to Oregon St. and did good things there.
One thing about him that really stands out to me is that he isn\'t really the kind of guy who can get players fired up,but knows his X\'s and O\'s.This could be a good fit for him so who knows but I still don\'t understand why the 49\'rs were so quick to get rid of Mooch.
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And he lost his last game at Miami, but we all know that story, if I haven\'t forced it into your memory banks already :)
Dennis Erickson\'s a good coach. Nobody rides anybody\'s coat tails at Miami, the talent comes to you. If Erickson would have disciplined those kids at ALL, they would have been truly great. Their \'94 Defnese had Warren Sapp, Kenny Holmes, and Ray Lewis...one wonders how they didn\'t win the National Title. Erickson had a bad stint in Seattle, but basically, so has every other coach that\'s been there. He revived the Oregon State program, took them to the Fiesta Bowl 3 years ago and beat the holy hell out of Notre Dame (who didn\'t belong in that game, Nebraska did).
Erickson will have his hands full with T.O., but if he can instill some discipline, they\'ll have a good coach on their hands.
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