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Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: videoholic on January 10, 2003, 07:15:01 PM
http://www.wkrn.com/global/video/popup/pop_index.asp?ClipID=112954&LiveURI=&ShowCC=0&TargetAdsTag=News&CurrentPosition=0

OK, now I am not one for stupid lawsuits, but I would sue the hell out of the police department on this one.  This shooting is absolutley ridiculous.
Title: Re: Dog Shooting
Post by: project86 on January 10, 2003, 07:47:53 PM
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Originally posted by Videoholic
http://www.wkrn.com/global/video/popup/pop_index.asp?ClipID=112954&LiveURI=&ShowCC=0&TargetAdsTag=News&CurrentPosition=0

OK, now I am not one for stupid lawsuits, but I would sue the hell out of the police department on this one.  This shooting is absolutley ridiculous.
Yeah I heard about this on the news and I too was a bit pissed of to see this. I love dogs, I agree with you Vid. That\'s just gotta suck!
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: SwifDi on January 10, 2003, 08:12:24 PM
Ugh... Buffering is the devil.

What happens in the video?
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: videoholic on January 10, 2003, 08:43:29 PM
The video is of a dweeb getting freaking broadband!!!!!


It\'s a couple that get pulled over on the interstate.  It was a tip from another driver thinking these people robbed someone because they were driving real fast.  

They were being held at gunpoint next to the truck

They said several times, can someone close the door to the truck, my dog is going to get out.

The dog gets out, runs around for about 3 seconds and the cop shoots him.

The people were completely innocent of everything and the cop shot their dog.

Absolutely ridiculous.
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: SwifDi on January 10, 2003, 08:51:47 PM
I have DSL, its just, gay.

But from the sounds of it, sounds like shit.
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: THX on January 10, 2003, 11:00:46 PM
That dumb cop should have hit the dog with the butt of his gun FIRST before outright shooting its head off.  I hope this serves as an example to other cops when it\'s 7 armed officers vs 3 unarmed cavilians.  This really makes me sick.
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: ##RaCeR## on January 11, 2003, 12:24:48 AM
That cop shouldn\'t be a cop. Did you see how small the dog was and he just blows the dogs head off with a shotgun. That made me sick, the dog did no harm at all and he just shoots it.

Whats the outcome so far?
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: Kurt Angle on January 11, 2003, 03:54:59 AM
I would sue the ass off them.
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: videoholic on January 11, 2003, 04:44:47 AM
That\'s what I was telling my wife.  The dog looked like it was looking for a frizbee to play with.  

THIS WAS A SMALL BULL DOG!!!
Not a doberman..

If that dog went nuts and attacked the dude, he could have just used his gun as a bat and smacked the shit out of the dog.

Damn.  This just pisses me off.  That dog looked like it just wanted a cookie.
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: kirath on January 11, 2003, 08:31:37 AM
I am sooo angry about this...  I first wish death upon the cop, still would\'nt bother me if they kneeled him down in front of his family and shot him..

God damn traffic cop with a shotgun, damn redneck cops.  I hope that police department, town, officer get sued for everything.

I am very angry about this and I know many other pet owners are pissed as well.  A dog is just not a dog, but a family member.  The cop murdered their family member right in front of them.  Soo terrible, and the police department says its justified.

not only that, but the woman who called in the report said she saw a car doing about 110mph, but also saw money flying off the top of the vehicle and his wallet fly off.  Well, she must be god damn super woman to see all this and the vehicle was going 110.  It was all bad from the start for this family. sucks..  Maybe traffic cops should\'nt have guns.
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: luckee on January 11, 2003, 04:35:08 PM
I am good friends with a friend of the cop in question and have met him once. Here is what my firend wanted to post but didnt feel like registering.

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This inncident happened in the city I live in, Cookeville TN. Now being an officer myself, I can tell you that the officer involved is an excellent cop. Officer Hall happens to love animals and has even applied for K-9 handler in the past. This inncident has brought much unwanted media attention on the city as well as the department. Officer Hall was asked by THP(Tennessee Highway Patrol) to assist in a felony stop. I also know the THP officer who intiated the stop very well. Trooper David "Doc" Bush is one of the best I have ever seen. We are pretty good friends and he swings by often and plays Madden NFL 2003 with my sergeant and myself often as well as backing us up on many stops. You first have to understand the seriousness of a felony stop. Trooper Bush was given a BOLO(Be On the LookOut for) on this particular vehicle and told to use EXTREME caution thus permitting a felony stop. When on a felony stop, the first thing you have to worry about is securing the occupants and the vehicle, not being polite enough to shut the door of the vehicle when asked by suspects.
Secondly, I wouldn\'t have shut the door either, thus allowing the Bulldog to stay in the vehicle. I would need to search the vehicle for weapons and or cash that could have been involved with this supposed armed robbery. Also, Officer Hall was covering the suspects with his weapon and would not have had time to lower and secure his weapon before pulling out his OC to spray the dog, nor would he want to given the nature of the stop. It was a split second decision on his part being confronted with an animal who\'s nature is known to be aggresive. If the dog would have been secured in a cage, none of this would have ever happened. Officer Hall has been put on administrative duties, which is to say that he is in the office for his entire shift now instead of patrolling until the investigation is viewed by a thrid party, a Sheriff in Maryland, and he is cleared of these charges. It was an unfortunate instance and had they not recieved bad information, it would have never taken place. Here is a link to our local newspaper, the Herald Citizen


http://story.herald-citizen.com/newsstory.htm

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As a result of this, not only has Officer Hall recieved death threats, but his wife and 3 young daughters have as well.


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Okay, the family was on vacation and on their way back to NC. They stopped in Nashville to fill up the car and continued east on I-40. The male driver left his wallet on top of the car by accident as they drove off. A lady following behind them saw money flying from the vehicle and contacted the police. I believe the phone call was shown and heard on the second link I posted. Nashville then sent out a BOLO for the vehicle saying that they "could" have been "possibly" involved in an armed robbery. They advised all officers to not take any chances however and to use EXTREME caution. For all the police knew, there could have been a robbery, the victims shot and killed, and that\'s hy maybe nobody had called in to report it. THP Trooper Doc Bush spotted the vehicle and radioed ahead to Cookeville city for back-up before intiating a traffic stop.

Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: videoholic on January 11, 2003, 05:37:06 PM
Hit the dog with the gun.  No excuse to shoot the thing.  Absolutely no reason what so ever in anything the dude wrote that leads me to believe the guy couldn\'t have hit the dog with the gun.

Wait, why would he even have hit the dog?  It looked like he just wanted to come sniff his shoes and possibly get a cookie.

Thanks for posting that note luckee.  It does give some prespective and some insight, but I still see no reason to shoot the dog.
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: videoholic on January 22, 2003, 09:46:53 AM
This case is finally getting some more publicity.  I heard on the radio that this is the third dog this cop has shot.

Yeah, that\'s normal.
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: project86 on January 22, 2003, 09:48:19 AM
OMG!

Thats funny stuff man. (the picture above) I hope that something is done about this creep!
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: EmperorRob on January 22, 2003, 06:35:57 PM
I have to agree the shooting was excessive force.  It\'s not a law nor should it be to cage your pet inside a vehicle.
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: shawn9990 on January 22, 2003, 10:17:02 PM
i dont under stand why everyone these days is sueing over everything and its allways the lazy people that wont go and work in the real world
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: Viper_Fujax on January 22, 2003, 10:22:51 PM
uhm, they were innocent, and the cop blew the dogs head off. what would make them lazy people. sh*t, if he shot my dog, the least id is sue him.
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: theomen on January 22, 2003, 10:36:24 PM
I didn\'t see the video, as I don\'t want to become incredibly pissed off.  but from the description, if he would have done that to my dog, he\'d be a dead bitch now.  No excuse for it what so ever, IMO he should have to turn his sheild in right now.  Or at the very least be susspended for an indeffinent amout of time, because this proves that he is unable to perfrom his job safely and make life threatening desisions on the fly.

This guy is why so many LEO\'s are blindly hated, and makes it difficult on the rest of them (us).
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: Capcom on January 23, 2003, 01:12:55 AM
I probably like cops less than anyone on the boards. I will give examples at the end, but this is my thought on the situation.

It is a dog. I care deeply for my animals, but it is just that. The cops life is worth alot more than an animals. He may or may not be a jerk. Heck it really does not matter. What person is not a jerk from time to time?????? Does that mean you should be shot? Wait don\'t answer that ;)  I believe this is a two way street. If a cop lets a dog out on you, and you hurt the dog they should not charge you with assault on a police officer.

So far as the cops actions. As much as I hate to say it. It is within his right to do so. Cops have alot of room to move around here. If you so much as touch them, it is assault. It\'s a messed up world.

Now for a few cop stories. In the county that I leave there was a cop killed a few years ago. The reason was that a policeman pulled over the same individual everytime he saw him, and beat the living daylights out of him then let him go. One night the guy decided he had enough. So when he got pulled over he pulled out a gun, and started shooting. The kicker of the story is that the cop that pulled him over was not the jerk cop that pulled him over all the time. An innocent cop was killed while a whatever survived to see another day. The shooter received the death penalty if my memory serves me right.

The cops have personally affected me more than one time also. Let me get this out of the way upfront. I have never been arrested so obviously I was not doing anything. I can not count how many times I have been pulled over in the past 10 years. Most of it was attributed to the way I looked. (Think long hair hippie.) I have been told that if I so much as moved I would be a blood spot on the pavement, if I was lying to the cop he would pound my head in before taking me to jail, and my vehicle searched more than I have masturbated. Urm maybe not that much but alot believe me on that. Not to mention I have a gun pointed at me a ridiculous amount of times. It has angered me quite a bit, and I even called to report the cop. Nothing has ever come to it, and never will. When I get pulled over now I want to run in the worst sort of way. I have an extreme fear of guns, and the cops pulling them on an innocent civilian is unbearable. I have heard a state trooper say that newer cops are making it dangerous for the rest of them.  end rant
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: Viper_Fujax on January 23, 2003, 02:40:17 PM
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Originally posted by Capcom


So far as the cops actions. As much as I hate to say it. It is within his right to do so. Cops have alot of room to move around here. If you so much as touch them, it is assault. It\'s a messed up world.

 


but u could see clearly that the dog wasnt going to attack him. seemed like the cop choked under pressure and shot the dog when it wasnt necessary. It wasnt growling or charging him like he was going to bite his nuts off. I just think he paniced(sp?)
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: Capcom on January 23, 2003, 02:49:50 PM
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Originally posted by Viper_Fujax


but u could see clearly that the dog wasnt going to attack him. seemed like the cop choked under pressure and shot the dog when it wasnt necessary. It wasnt growling or charging him like he was going to bite his nuts off. I just think he paniced(sp?)


Don\'t get me wrong. I am not taking up for the cop, but the dog was out of control. It was the minute it stepped out of the car. Police officers have what is considered an extremely dangerous job (even though being a taxi driver, or even farmer is more dangerous) thus they have the right to protect themselves from what they deem to be a dangerous situation, and this is probably one of them sadly. :crying:
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: Halberto on January 23, 2003, 02:57:28 PM
I\'m still more evil than that guy :)
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: theomen on January 23, 2003, 03:48:49 PM
I still think that he shouldn\'t be in this line of work if he can\'t make resonable assumptions on the level of danger he is facing.  What next, he\'ll shoot a baby \'cause it was "plotting on him"?  Personally when I become a cop, if I were to work with a nut like this I would ask for a different shift than him because he just isn\'t safe.
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: ##RaCeR## on January 23, 2003, 03:50:58 PM
So whats the outcome so far? Has the family been given some kind of compensation?
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: videoholic on January 23, 2003, 03:54:31 PM
It will be a long while.  I heard the guy on the radio this morning and apparently further along on the tape there are three instances of the cop laughing about it.

Also the cops got very defensive in the end once they realized they were innocent.  They still have not apologized or anything to these people.
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: ##RaCeR## on January 23, 2003, 04:01:57 PM
That really makes me sick, I hope he doesn\'t get away with it. I don\'t want to get all sappy, but people need to realise that that dog was someone\'s beloved pet, and it can never be replaced.
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: Capcom on January 23, 2003, 07:36:22 PM
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Originally posted by theomen
I still think that he shouldn\'t be in this line of work if he can\'t make resonable assumptions on the level of danger he is facing.  What next, he\'ll shoot a baby \'cause it was "plotting on him"?  Personally when I become a cop, if I were to work with a nut like this I would ask for a different shift than him because he just isn\'t safe. [/QUOTE

Alot of cops are this way. My bet would be that most of the cops there got a blast out of it. Also remember what you consider to be reasonable does not hold true to someone else. If the press had not picked this up, the cop would be out protecting and serving the fine citizens of Tennesse tonight. :D
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: theomen on January 23, 2003, 07:39:51 PM
this reminds me of an incident in Oakland about 20 years ago.  A cop saw a black man in his front yard with a blood soaked apron and a butcher knife.  So the cop shot him, next to the black man was a barbeque...
Title: Dog Shooting
Post by: SirMystiq on January 23, 2003, 09:31:16 PM
Pobrecito doggy :( :(
Stupid evil cop.