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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Seed_Of_Evil on January 11, 2003, 08:32:48 AM
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I just began to read yesterday The secret of the Pyramid, a book written by J.L Arsuaga, a spanish anthropologist, who is the director of Atapuerca\'s research, and whose exposition is now around NY.
The matter is that after reading the introduction (the book is about the evolution of the human being, from monkeys to nowadays) I got the idea that we, humans, and even life is a terrible mistake of the nature. Why? Very easy. Nature had not scheduled to create life, nor animal and vegetal. If you can notice, you are there, in fron of your screen thanx to a big accident. It\'s almost proved (and the scientist\'s community agrees) that life began in a lake, as a result of combination of gases, water, minerals and a ray. So, nature didn\'t want to create life indeed. It was a mistake.
Till now, no life has been discovered in the Universe. We have not visited many planets, but it seems, according to human knowledge, that there isn\'t out of here. And I think: if the Universe is so big, so large, almost infinite (perhaps infinite), why are we the only known life? Is the life a mistake of the nature itself?
What do you think? I don\'t want this thread to become a religion one, but I know it will, so feel free to post yur own opinions.
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i doubt we\'re the only life form in the universe.. i mean.. They haven\'t proved it either way.. IMO It\'s more likely we\'re not alone then alone.
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The purpose of this universe is to support Life.
And no, we are not alone.
We have found only one solar system which had no life-supportable planets. Imagine all the billions of solar systems out there, out of our reach, out of our sight. It is a mathematical impossibility to claim that none of the solar systems could have life.
Even if we were a mistake, in theory there has to be at least one other mistake - given that Universe is infinite.
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We visited only a couple planets, like 8 so chances of finding life on 8 planets are close to nothing. If NASA would develope a super fast rocket, we can get into other star systems and look there. There are trillions of planets (just in our galaxy) and to say there\'s no life on any is ignorant.
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There is so much that points to life on Earth was caused
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Evolution is the best car Mitsubishi ever made IMO ;)
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yeah i am with Douglas Adams on this one...
Evolution was a Big Mistake... we should of stayed in the oceans... never mind all that larking around in trees and what not !
Opposible thumbs are over rated ;)
me swims way
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I don\'t think it was a mistake, it\'s not like nature was trying not to create life.
More like a coincidence.
And yes, it is a methematical impossibility to claim that there is no other life in the universe, or even in this galaxy for that matter.
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Originally posted by r4nd0m
And yes, it is a methematical impossibility to claim that there is no other life in the universe, or even in this galaxy for that matter.
not exaxtly
Ever heard of the Drake equation?
Its easy to guess that there is thousands of intellegent civilizations, and its quite as easy to guess, as I do, that there is just one, ours.
It depends on the numbers that you put in the Drake equation. Number of stars, number of how many planets rotate around the stars that can contain life etc...
There is no \'its a mathematical impossibility\' when it comes to whether there is life in the Universe or not.
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The earth would have been alot better if humans never evolved.
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Originally posted by Clowd
not exaxtly
Ever heard of the Drake equation?
Its easy to guess that there is thousands of intellegent civilizations, and its quite as easy to guess, as I do, that there is just one, ours.
It depends on the numbers that you put in the Drake equation. Number of stars, number of how many planets rotate around the stars that can contain life etc...
There is no \'its a mathematical impossibility\' when it comes to whether there is life in the Universe or not.
I might be very wrong here, but I have to disagree with you, Clowd.
If Space is infinite, and we use the number representing all the planets in the Universe ( we don\'t know that number, of course )it is a mathematical impossibility - given that we use the Drake equation - to not have any other intelligent life-forms out there.
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Can I make a question related with this? We are speaking about math formulae and such operations to make a theory about life in Universe. If Universe is infinite, those operations may be positive (regarding the existence of other life). But if the scientists say that Universe is continuosly expanding... how the hell can be it infinite? An infinite thing doesn\'t expand nor contract, it only stays.
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I do not believe in evolution, I believe that God created us. That\'s all I have to say, please don\'t bash me. Pleaseeeeeee. :D
/me backs away from thread.
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I think it\'s naive of scientists to look for evidence of water on planets and use that as speculation for a planet to support life. Aliens may like to drink rocks and eat oxygen. You never know. ;)
Besides, to think we are alone in the Universe is just wrong. If it turns out to be true, then it\'s an awful waste of space.
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Originally posted by Ryu
Besides, to think we are alone in the Universe is just wrong. If it turns out to be true, then it\'s an awful waste of space.
And hey, even if it is just a big waste of space, at least it will give us something to do for the next 500 trillion years. ;)
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Originally posted by Darth Joyda
The purpose of this universe is to support Life.
And no, we are not alone.
We have found only one solar system which had no life-supportable planets. Imagine all the billions of solar systems out there, out of our reach, out of our sight. It is a mathematical impossibility to claim that none of the solar systems could have life.
Even if we were a mistake, in theory there has to be at least one other mistake - given that Universe is infinite.
^^^
Word.
We\'re not alone.
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Originally posted by Titan
We visited only a couple planets, like 8 so chances of finding life on 8 planets are close to nothing. If NASA would develope a super fast rocket, we can get into other star systems and look there. There are trillions of planets (just in our galaxy) and to say there\'s no life on any is ignorant.
Why does it have to be NASA? Can\'t Canada, or perhaps Cyprus do something? Come on Unicron. Get your people into space!!!
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We already have a plan in progress to dominate outside earth which I dont want to give any information about.Top Secret.Classified.:alien:
Bush thought( I AM TALKING ABOUT THE FATHER NOT THE STUPID JUNIOR) he was the only one that knew secrets about the extra-terrestrials.doh1794575*&^$#@#%*(Vqjo3g4
JAR JAR LEAVE THE KEYBOARD ALONE!!!!
Where was I.....Oh yeah what I wanted to say....
YOU THE DEFORMED BALL-SACK!!!YES U!!!LEAVE THAT DOG WHERE YOU FOUND IT!!!!NO THATS NOT A PHONE!!!THATS THE SHOWER!!!
Now lets continue.....
HEY!!!!MY ROOF\'S NOT A SPACE-SHIP PARKING!!!!
I am kinda busy now.Sorry.Talk later.Mulder and Skully are knocking the door.
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Agreed, Ryu.
Universe is, indeed, expanding. The galaxies are constantly getting farther away from each other. But where are they expanding to? Infinity. The space in itself is infinite, while the amount of galaxies isn\'t. But given that Galaxies are born all the time, the amount is as close to infinite as our human mind can comprehend.
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Unicron, I think that I saw an Unidentified Flying Object once. Or, in fact, I did - because I wasn\'t able to identify it. I am being serious here, so bear with me. ( Plus I have a couple of additional stories concerning extra terrestrial phomenon / experiences )
In the winter of 1991 my father woke up to find my bed empty. I hadn\'t disappeared - I had sleep-walked to the living-room, and slept on the floor. Or at least so it seemed at first. That evening we warmed the Sauna. While in the Sauna, my father made an intriguing discovery - in both my right arm and leg there were three perfectly triangular markings. He, being a very UFO-enthusiastic person, thought I had been abducted. The mystery surrounding those markings has remained unanswered to this day.
Next phomenon, my first UFO-sighting happened when our family was enjoying a vacation in Lanzarote, an island in Greece, back in \'93. We were living in a very nice hotel - I found the stairways to be intriguing and worthy of exploring. One day I returned from a staircase-adventure to witness my father standing still in the balcony, watching at something. He shouted me to come. My little-sister followed. My mother was somewhere - holding our one and only camera. The object my father was following with his eyes was nothing sort of amazing. A black object, as if made out of three perfect balls, hovered near our hotel. It made no sound, and it seemed as if there was a force-field of a kind surrounding it. Suddenly it started to move against a high-speed wind - to the right from our point-of-view. I quickly checked the balconies next to ours, and I saw many people standing still, jaws wide open, pointing at the object. So we weren\'t the only witnesses. I will never forget that day.
A year later our family moved from a small village to the countryside, inhabited by about 200 people - mostly our relatives. I got a couple of new friends, and boy, did we have adventures that one winter! The winter of \'94 was perhaps the most mysterious period in my life. One dark evening me and my friends were having a snow-fight outside the house. Suddenly, before we even noticed, a comet-like, huge object passed over us. The object seemed to be near the tree-tops. But before we got the chance to chase the object, it continued it\'s journey with a velocity like no other. It disappeared in about a second to the horizon. We were spell-bound, dazzled, paralyzed. For a couple of minutes - or a period that seemed long - we just stood there and looked at the spot where the object had been. I\'m not sure whether it was an illusion, a comet of a kind, or UFO - but at least we three agreed that it wasn\'t explainable, illusion or not. Given that I was only 8, it might\'ve been generated by my imagination. Yet I still believe that it wasn\'t, as mass-hallusination is very rare.
Later that winter I witnessed at least two unexplainable objects - but as I can not remember those sightings well, I will not try to describe them in detail.
But I am sure that we are not alone.
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Well there is no proof that galaxies are getting farther away. It is based on the fact that we observe redshift on the galaxies. 3 Thing are known to cause this.
1. Movement (This is what scientist belives is the case)
2. Gravity
3. Matter like gas and other things that interacts with the light.
IMO no 3 is the truth.
But there is proof for any of these.
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Originally posted by Bossieman
Well there is no proof that galaxies are getting farther away. It is based on the fact that we observe redshift on the galaxies. 3 things are known to cause this.
1. Movement (This is what scientist belives is the case)
2. Gravity
3. Matter like gas and other things that interacts with the light.
IMO no 3 is the truth.
But there is proof for any of these.
Yes, it is only a theory - a theory junctioned to another theory, the theory of Big Bang. Yet we can not know for sure. We are still just humans.
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Originally posted by Darth Joyda
Unicron, I think that I saw an Unidentified Flying Object once. Or, in fact, I did - because I wasn\'t able to identify it. I am being serious here, so bear with me. ( Plus I have a couple of additional stories concerning extra terrestrial phomenon / experiences )
In the winter of 1991 my father woke up to find my bed empty. I hadn\'t disappeared - I had sleep-walked to the living-room, and slept on the floor. Or at least so it seemed at first. That evening we warmed the Sauna. While in the Sauna, my father made an intriguing discovery - in both my right arm and leg there were three perfectly triangular markings. He, being a very UFO-enthusiastic person, thought I had been abducted. The mystery surrounding those markings has remained unanswered to this day.
Next phomenon, my first UFO-sighting happened when our family was enjoying a vacation in Lanzarote, an island in Greece, back in \'93. We were living in a very nice hotel - I found the stairways to be intriguing and worthy of exploring. One day I returned from a staircase-adventure to witness my father standing still in the balcony, watching at something. He shouted me to come. My little-sister followed. My mother was somewhere - holding our one and only camera. The object my father was following with his eyes was nothing sort of amazing. A black object, as if made out of three perfect balls, hovered near our hotel. It made no sound, and it seemed as if there was a force-field of a kind surrounding it. Suddenly it started to move against a high-speed wind - to the right from our point-of-view. I quickly checked the balconies next to ours, and I saw many people standing still, jaws wide open, pointing at the object. So we weren\'t the only witnesses. I will never forget that day.
A year later our family moved from a small village to the countryside, inhabited by about 200 people - mostly our relatives. I got a couple of new friends, and boy, did we have adventures that one winter! The winter of \'94 was perhaps the most mysterious period in my life. One dark evening me and my friends were having a snow-fight outside the house. Suddenly, before we even noticed, a comet-like, huge object passed over us. The object seemed to be near the tree-tops. But before we got the chance to chase the object, it continued it\'s journey with a velocity like no other. It disappeared in about a second to the horizon. We were spell-bound, dazzled, paralyzed. For a couple of minutes - or a period that seemed long - we just stood there and looked at the spot where the object had been. I\'m not sure whether it was an illusion, a comet of a kind, or UFO - but at least we three agreed that it wasn\'t explainable, illusion or not. Given that I was only 8, it might\'ve been generated by my imagination. Yet I still believe that it wasn\'t, as mass-hallusination is very rare.
Later that winter I witnessed at least two unexplainable objects - but as I can not remember those sightings well, I will not try to describe them in detail.
But I am sure that we are not alone.
:eek:
U aint serious!!!
I had UFO experiences about thee times BUT NO WAY AS REMARKABLE AS YOURS!!!:eek:
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Originally posted by Darth Joyda
Next phomenon, my first UFO-sighting happened when our family was enjoying a vacation in Lanzarote, an island in Greece, back in \'93.
Lanzarote in Greece Darth? Are you sure?
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Lanzarote is in the Canaries.
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Interesting stories DJ, but I refuse to believe in UFOs.
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Originally posted by Darth Joyda
It is a mathematical impossibility to claim that none of the solar systems could have life.
Impossible? no. Improbable? yes.
If you look mathematically at how many factors scientists say were needed to create life on earth you would see that you have a better chance of entering a lottery with 100 billion other people and being the only person with the winning number. When the odds are that high it is a mathematical impossibility. Meaning that it COULD happen but its more likely than not that it won\'t.
Given that scientists believe the universe is "infinite" it is improbable that Earth is the only planet where life sprang up but not impossible.
With that said. I don\'t think we are alone in the universe, galaxy, or even on earth. There is unknown life out there that we(as a whole) have yet to discover but may have already discovered us.
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Originally posted by Gohan
Impossible? no. Improbable? yes.
If you look mathematically at how many factors scientists say were needed to create life on earth you would see that you have a better chance of entering a lottery with 100 billion other people and being the only person with the winning number. When the odds are that high it is a mathematical impossibility. Meaning that it COULD happen but its more likely than not that it won\'t.
Given that scientists believe the universe is "infinite" it is improbable that Earth is the only planet where life sprang up but not impossible.
With that said. I don\'t think we are alone in the universe, galaxy, or even on earth. There is unknown life out there that we(as a whole) have yet to discover but may have already discovered us.
Gohan you sould download the SETI@home programme that help sifts through the data receved Via Radio Telescope.
i am running it at the moment and i have data from the Arecido Radio Observatory the world\'s largest single-dish radio telescope.
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^^^^Do you ever get any interesting info from the program?
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you can get plugins that provide you with a sky map showing you the location of the data you processed.
also there are a whole bunch of add-ons that make it even more intresting.
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here is a screen of the SETI@home programme
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Originally posted by Videoholic
Why does it have to be NASA? Can\'t Canada, or perhaps Cyprus do something? Come on Unicron. Get your people into space!!!
Well, I didn\'t mean that only NASA can do it. Any country can make a rocket, I don\'t care. Just build it and launch it.
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here is the drake equation
http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/SETI/drake_equation.html
try it for yourself
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Why does nearly everybody that believes in aliens assume that they are more intelligent than us and have managed to achieved faster than light speed capabilities?
I\'m not saying that this isn\'t possible, but, I for one, don\'t.
Perhaps in a million years we will be the godlike, highly evolved, telekinetic extra terrestrials, stalking unknowing life on other inhabited planets in the night, causing paranoia, mass hysteria, and debates like this. :sconf:
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Where can I get that SETI program from?
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Originally posted by r4nd0m
Perhaps in a million years we will be the godlike, highly evolved, telekinetic extra terrestrials, stalking unknowing life on other inhabited planets in the night, causing paranoia, mass hysteria, and debates like this. :sconf:
Maybe we ARE the godlike, highly evolved, telekinetic extra terrestrials. Food for thought.
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Originally posted by r4nd0m
Why does nearly everybody that believes in aliens assume that they are more intelligent than us and have managed to achieved faster than light speed capabilities?
I\'m not saying that this isn\'t possible, but, I for one, don\'t.
Perhaps in a million years we will be the godlike, highly evolved, telekinetic extra terrestrials, stalking unknowing life on other inhabited planets in the night, causing paranoia, mass hysteria, and debates like this. :sconf:
Exactly.
If we ever do find another planet that has intelligent life-forms on it, I guarantee that we will be the aggressors.