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True Americans?
Reds Still
The story no one wants to hear about the antiwar movement.
By Byron York, from the February 10, 2003, issue of National Review
When thousands of protesters marched down Pennsylvania Avenue during the big antiwar demonstration in Washington on January 18, they just happened to pass the national headquarters of the College Republicans. And on that afternoon there just happened to be some young Republicans inside, drinking wine and hanging out. When they heard all the commotion outside and saw the protest going by — they hadn\'t known their office was on the route — they couldn\'t help making a statement.
The students pulled a dry-erase board off the wall and wrote a simple message: "Hippies Go Home." They took it out to their second-floor balcony overlooking the march, and what followed was what diplomats sometimes call a frank exchange of ideas.
"F*** YOU!" a group of the protesters yelled. "Nazis!" someone shouted. Others began chanting: "Hey hey! Ho ho! Yuppie f***s have got to go!" The College Republicans seemed to enjoy it all, smiling and waving and making peace signs. They enjoyed it so much that after a while, they found another board and made a sign that said: "Saddam Kills." That seemed to particularly agitate the protesters. "Bush kills too!" they screamed. "Bush kills too!"
Link this if you want to read more! (http://www.nationalreview.com/10feb03/york021003.asp)
Just in case, insert penis(get it)joke here _______________.
Now we that we have that out of the way, whatta ya think?
Ace
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Um... think about what? The demonstration? The drunk republicans?
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The true backers of this so called antiwar protest.
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Atiwar? So, they prefer nVidea eh? j/k
I think it\'s quite pointless to demonstrate... who cares what they think. The government doesn\'t anyway.
EDIT: Aww, you edited your post.
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Sounds like the organization is rather hypocritical.
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I don\'t understand the point of that story.
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Me neither. But I think it\'s something about the demonstrators being \'evil/stupid/hypocrites/silly/insert another negative word here\' because some of them badmouthed the republicans... :confused:
Then again, I didn\'t bother reading the whole story.
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Originally posted by Samwise
Me neither. But I think it\'s something about the demonstrators being \'evil/stupid/hypocrites/silly/insert another negative word here\' because some of them badmouthed the republicans... :confused:
Then again, I didn\'t bother reading the whole story.
me too
what is the story about ?
if its a demonstrator Bashing thread
Then its quite pointless..because its the Democratic right of everyone to express themself in a peaceful demonstration, despite the fact that we (the people in the US and UK live in a Police State).
oh and before someone try\'s that in here in Off Topic.. then don\'t
you lost all your rights to free speach the second you clicked on the I agree button when you joined the forum ;)
but in the real world you can demonstrate against anything you want... just as long as its peaceful.
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What are these police state comments that I hear especially from mm.
Can someone explain?
Ace
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I think I\'ll travel to Iraq and demonstrate against Saddam in his front yard. :D
The only problem is to find the one of numerous mansions he\'s using when I arrive...
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I have an issue with those that feel Bush is a murderer. He may be ordering the deaths of those over seas but at least he is doing so under the legalities formed under the government policies not only formed by our government but those of Europe as well. To me that seems better than crashing a few planes into large buildings being occupied by thousands of innocent people. It’s amazing how much short term memory these protestors have and how little long term memory they have. I still have not forgotten what they did to us; I hope that none of you have forgotten. I’m not condoning senseless violence but justice must be served. Just watching them sing and dance in the faces of all those who were senselessly victimized by the attacks on September 11th makes me SICK!
oh and before someone try\'s that in here in Off Topic.. then don\'t
you lost all your rights to free speach the second you clicked on the I agree button when you joined the forum
ooseven, do we really need to be reminded of that so often? Does saying things like that make you feel good? I’m sure that comments like that are not absolutely necessary not to mention that it may deter any good wholesome poster from joining the forums. Try thinking of more creative ways to sound all-powerful okay? Or better yet, post another “sticky” thread that only you can post in so that you can post such comments.
No offense, but I just don’t think it’s necessary to be like that to the general public here in OT.
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Saddam Hussein is a ruthless madman/killer/psychopath and he needs to be taught a lesson... every one knows it\'s gonna end in a war - nomatter the reasons, I\'m glad if he gets what he deserves (for killing/gassing/torturing/etc. innocent people; men, women and children).
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Originally posted by Ace
What are these police state comments that I hear especially from mm.
Can someone explain?
Ace
oh the arrival of the CCTV “big Brother” nation.
The Call from some to scrap the right to trial by jury
A Enforce to Tax rather enforce for Justice
(in the UK ..they never put Speed Cameras in accident black spots but in locations where they know they can catch people speeding easy i.e. sections of the motorway..etc…)
Death of Privacy.. as in years ago.
and the slow Corrosion of democracy
Etc etc etc
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Originally posted by project86
I still have not forgotten what they did to us; I hope that none of you have forgotten. I’m not condoning senseless violence but justice must be served. Just watching them sing and dance in the faces of all those who were senselessly victimized by the attacks on September 11th makes me SICK!
WHo is they?? Not Iraq. Yet most of the US population is happy and Bush has dropped all plans as far as going after the ones that did that. Funny how afghanistan just disapeared from everyones vocabulary, yet Bin Laden is free to roam.
I do not want to hear about how he is hiding. Of course he is, thats what terrorists do. They will continue to do so and they wont be gotten rid of. We just bombed them for the simple fact that we could. Its like putting a bandaid on a gunshot wound.
Iraq has little to do with those incidents except how Saddam rewards the families of terrorists. Funny how Saddams name wasnt mentioned when bush was running for president, even funnier is the fact that his name wasnt mentioned untill after 9/11. Bush was just looking for ANY excuse to finish what his father didnt.
Im not saying Saddam shouldnt be dead, but there are ways to go about this without destroying an entire country. While they are at it, they better kill his son as well. Rumor has it that he is worse than his old man.
Watching them sing and dance? Just like how many americans did the same when we fought Iraq the last time? Hypocrisy much? As much as most dont think about it, the are human as well, they too deserve a right to live. Hell, most of them are so brainwashed and cant do anything but those things or they get killed.
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Originally posted by Samwise
Saddam Hussein is a ruthless madman/killer/psychopath and he needs to be taught a lesson... every one knows it\'s gonna end in a war - nomatter the reasons, I\'m glad if he gets what he deserves (for killing/gassing/torturing/etc. innocent people; men, women and children).
He is exactly that, but he\'s exactly that towards his own people, not westerners. He already paid for screwing around in the early 90\'s, a new war requires new evidence.
NO WMD EVIDENCE,...........NO WAR.
SOME WMD EVIDENCE,.............KICK AR*E LADS, MAKE US PROUD.
If we just start on him without the required evidence then I\'m ashamed to be from this so-called democracy, Bush and Blair need to stop straining at the leash and rattling their sabres.
Oh and "Holding the oilfields \'in trust\' for the Iraqi people" could translate directly into "we\'ll never let them go completely now we have our grubby little mitts on them"
I know I know, I\'m an opinionated bugger.
Edit: "most of them are so brainwashed and cant do anything but those things or they get killed." - Luckee.
If you\'re accused of slander against the government (treason in Iraq) you get your toungue torn out but they let you live for a while until you dissappear.
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I found the article quite good actually. In this country it seems those who shout the loudest get more attention and in doing so try to drown out the voices that disagree with them.
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WHo is they?? Not Iraq. Yet most of the US population is happy and Bush has dropped all plans as far as going after the ones that did that. Funny how afghanistan just disapeared from everyones vocabulary, yet Bin Laden is free to roam.
For the sake of an apology I will say that I should not mix up the Afghans with the Iraqi’s. What Bin Laden did was what I was refering to along with the support that was given to them by any of the sistering countries.
I do not want to hear about how he is hiding. Of course he is, that’s what terrorists do. They will continue to do so and they won’t be gotten rid of. We just bombed them for the simple fact that we could. Its like putting a bandaid on a gunshot wound.
If that is your view of how we went about pursuing the actions taken by Bin Laden then perhaps you too have been brainwashed and should consider the fact that despite what is said here I still think that all that has been done thus far has been done in defense of those that were victimized here in America. I am an American therefore I will support what we as Americans do. Sorry you don’t agree with this.
Iraq has little to do with those incidents except how Saddam rewards the families of terrorists
I guess that means he is innocent eh? NOT! Bush made it very clear, if you are not with us, you are against us. If you are against us in the war against terrorism then you will pay the consequences. Simple as that.
Im not saying Saddam shouldnt be dead, but there are ways to go about this without destroying an entire country. While they are at it, they better kill his son as well. Rumor has it that he is worse than his old man.
I would say that until his son is proven guilty of terrorism or an act of war then he would have no reason to deserve to die much like the countless multitudes you defended in your previous statement…eh?
Watching them sing and dance? Just like how many Americans did the same when we fought Iraq the last time? Hypocrisy much? As much as most don’t think about it, the are human as well, they too deserve a right to live. Hell, most of them are so brainwashed and cant do anything but those things or they get killed.
I like how you use the word hipocracy. Sad to see that is what you think but you may have any opinion you wish about America. This country has helped out other countries countless times and what does the world do to repay us? This is the one statement that I guess I just should leave alone.
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Originally posted by project86
This country has helped out other countries countless times and what does the world do to repay us? This is the one statement that I guess I just should leave alone.
That\'s a two-way alley I don\'t want to visit... I mean, the US has definatly helped the world on many occasions; be it with money, technology or military help, but it (read: CIA) has also aided people like Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden and other \'nasty people\'.
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As with every case such as this you just have to way the good and the bad and make your opinions on that. I guess I had better stop with the politics before this thread gets shut.
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No worries, I don\'t want to discuss politics. :p
I tend to skip those threads since I get all worked up. ;)
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Originally posted by Samwise
No worries, I don\'t want to discuss politics. :p
I tend to skip those threads since I get all worked up. ;)
True dat! I could sense my dark side coming out in the posts before yours. I want to have a good day today...;)
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Originally posted by Green Meanie
He is exactly that, but he\'s exactly that towards his own people, not westerners. He already paid for screwing around in the early 90\'s, a new war requires new evidence.
NO WMD EVIDENCE,...........NO WAR.
SOME WMD EVIDENCE,.............KICK AR*E LADS, MAKE US PROUD.
If we just start on him without the required evidence then I\'m ashamed to be from this so-called democracy, Bush and Blair need to stop straining at the leash and rattling their sabres.
Oh and "Holding the oilfields \'in trust\' for the Iraqi people" could translate directly into "we\'ll never let them go completely now we have our grubby little mitts on them"
I know I know, I\'m an opinionated bugger.
Edit: "most of them are so brainwashed and cant do anything but those things or they get killed." - Luckee.
If you\'re accused of slander against the government (treason in Iraq) you get your toungue torn out but they let you live for a while until you dissappear.
[sarcasm mode]
and with about 54% of the Iraqi population under 16, it almost makes you proud to be in the US & UK tour of Doom :rolleyes:
I mean we are really going to improve the situation by hauling ass through Iraq with enough fire power to start WWIII.. I mean Muslims around the world are sure to understand that’s its not another attack on Islamic state.
:rolleyes:
[/sarcasm mode]
look GM, this might upset you but
The vast majority of the Iraqi people want nothing better than for Saddam\'s evil regime to topple and for the UN embargos to be dropped.
As for luckee’s statement it is almost true.
The scientists and specialists have not been brain washed but told that if they defect/ help the weapons inspectors/ leave the country/ or even refuse to work then they and their families (extending right out to 5th relations i.e. distant relation’s will be executed)
So you can see why the Iraqi Scientists want to keep their distance for the UN weapon inspectors.
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For the sake of an apology I will say that I should not mix up the Afghans with the Iraqi’s. What Bin Laden did was what I was refering to along with the support that was given to them by any of the sistering countries.
No worries
If that is your view of how we went about pursuing the actions taken by Bin Laden then perhaps you too have been brainwashed and should consider the fact that despite what is said here I still think that all that has been done thus far has been done in defense of those that were victimized here in America. I am an American therefore I will support what we as Americans do. Sorry you don’t agree with this.
You say I have been brainwashed when I am clearly thinking for myself by my replies, yet you say if the american government is going to do it, you are going to support them. You tell me who is brainwashed?
I guess that means he is innocent eh? NOT! Bush made it very clear, if you are not with us, you are against us. If you are against us in the war against terrorism then you will pay the consequences. Simple as that.
I didnt say that. Im also 70% positive that bush is an idiot anyway. That was an ignorant thing for him to say in part. Just b/c someone doesnt support him and his schemes, that doesnt make them in favor of the terrorist and against the US.
I would say that until his son is proven guilty of terrorism or an act of war then he would have no reason to deserve to die much like the countless multitudes you defended in your previous statement…eh?
His son has already been documented as doing terrible things. Show me where and who I defended.
I like how you use the word hipocracy. Sad to see that is what you think but you may have any opinion you wish about America. This country has helped out other countries countless times and what does the world do to repay us? This is the one statement that I guess I just should leave alone.
And sometimes their help and noses arent wanted in everyones affairs. Plus they only tend to help when they have some lucrative intrest in said area.
BTW, no hard feelings in all of this. I just want to have a cool and calm discussion. Although I do understand how hard it is to stay calm in some of these.
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I would love to reply to the comments you made man but as I said, I have to get out of the political debate because apparently I signed my freedom of speech away when I agreed to the forum policies. I would hate to have this thread closed due to a political discussion that was unwanted by some said moderator or such. No hard feelings here, I love a good debate as much as the next guy. Peace.
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huh? ok, now things are going a bit far. Just say what you have to say man. Its not like we are being negative with each other.
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I\'ve never liked antiwar protesters. They are asking for the impossible. I\'ve posted it before and I\'ll post it again. One country will always hate another country. One country wants the other countries people dead. So and so will always hate so and so. So basically, there will always be hatred, no peace and there will always be war. It can\'t be avoided. I support Bush in his war.
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I support the allies fully when they go to war, it\'s not the ordinary soldiers business to ask questions, I just wish them luck and safety.
But, you have to ask yourself, is it our business to go to war with a country on the other side of the world again (they have already been slapped about a bit) with no new evidence, does holding a grudge have any place in modern politics?
I\'m all for war with the right evidence but at the moment it\'s looking like the pro war argument is extremely hollow and unfounded, yes he should be a dead man and I REALLY hope they find some evidence, but to attack someone twice with only one (old) reason is unjust.
Call me soft but I have a policy of never starting a fight, that\'s for mugs.
(Just to re-cap, this is Iraq we\'re talking about so no comments on the fight having already been started and the WTC)
Edit: I have no idea how to do smiles, can everyone just assume that I\'m not pised off/offended and am actually sitting here with a PCP grin on my face!!
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Let me clear something up: This thread will not be closed due to differing opinions. As long as everyone stays calm, it\'ll remain open and if some idiot starts calling names, etc, his posts will just be deleted.
So, Project, go ahead and post your opinion on the subject matter. It\'s one that effects us all.
;)
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kudos to you LIC. Good moderation bud. :)
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Let me clear something up: This thread will not be closed due to differing opinions. As long as everyone stays calm, it\'ll remain open and if some idiot starts calling names, etc, his posts will just be deleted.
So, Project, go ahead and post your opinion on the subject matter. It\'s one that effects us all.
;)
Thanks man.
I will say this, I am an American. I voted for Bush. I support the things that he is in favor of. I see that many people do not appreciate the things he has begun over in the Middle East. I for one do not like to see innocent people die. I do however feel that war is necessary for this world to remain in the progressive state that it has been in for ages. We Americans may have stuck our noses in where they did not belong but we have brought many great contributions to the world as a whole. I think as a whole, many would say that the good we have done outweighs the bad.
As for Sadam, I hope that our government will find him and retire him and anyone that may follow in his footsteps. I pity those that will suffer for his actions. He has not only committed crimes of war in the findings of the nuclear plans and the findings of the warheads against the surrounding nations of the world but against his own people.
We as Americans do not need to step in every time a problem comes up in the world, but when it involves weapons of mass destruction that will be wielded by a man that is physiologically unstable then yes, we should step in and shut them down! The world could do well on it’s own without such terrorism. I hope that you understand, I am not brainwashed by our government, I would be willing to fight to the death for my freedom and for the lives of those here in America.
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kudos to you LIC. Good moderation bud.
Thanks.;)
Now that the ego-booster is out of the way, here is my two cents on this demostration.
Disgusting. Pointless. Alittle of both. Anti-War movements typically bring nothing (sad, but true). If that was the case, we could of avoided Vietnam, lord knows there was plenty of protesting for that. So, the pointless part is demostrating. The disgusting part is the way the other group reacted, calling names and what not. All in all, I think it is sad that durin\' such a time, this whole country is torn apart.
While I may not agree with Bush on any of his views or actions in the White House, I am certainly not goin\' to start yelling and starting problems with the other groups who disagree with my opinion. Why? Because in the end, whatever happens, our opinions don\'t matter. The only thing that matters, is it will effect everyone.