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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: theomen on January 23, 2003, 03:14:59 PM
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I typed a long reply to VS\'s thread but was closed before I hit the reply button, and I\'ll be damned if I let it go to waste. So discuss where you think the forum is going.
First things first, I\'m annoyed that my "raping" joke has become the norm, thanks to over use. I usually tried to limit it to 3-4 times a month, if other members used it without my knowledge, then they owe me royalties.
As for VS, I\'m in somewhat agreement with Shox. VS\'s punishment had somewhat of a foul stench to it. It seemed more or less petty and childish, intended to piss him off and embaress him instead of punishing him and hopefully curve his spamming (which I never really minded)
Now as to the revertion of the forums back to how they used to be. This seems to be a popular topic with the mods, and this seems to be the main motive behind the non tolerance of "spam". Unfortunetly I don\'t think this will happen, the mods are overlooking the fact that a forum is based around it\'s members. The forums has a different clientel of members now than it did in "the good old days", and due to this we have a different flavor in this forum. I have a feeling that if the forum is to be reverted back, it will be nothing but 10-12 members talking to themselves. As it is, the forum is in a slumph, members are somewhat reluctant to post because they don\'t want to be labeled a \'spammer", which has become the new age scarlet letter as of late, or they don\'t post because they are just plain affraid to have fun.
Also, these forums have become a good old boys club as of late. There are certain members who can get away with murder while others catch hell for minor stuff. If you pay attention to it, it\'s down right sickening. I\'m not going to name names, as I don\'t want to be targeted, but it\'s happenening.
Thes forums are in a downward spiral, and I\'m debating on my future here. Maybe the forums will surprise me and pull out of it, but I\'m not going to hold my breath.
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forums go in cycles
some long, some slow
there really is no steady climb or fall
wanna leave? (this goes for everyone)
do it quietly please, cause noone cares
there will ALWAYS be new people to take yer place
heck, i could leave and just about the only two people that would miss me are clyde and soully
would i make a dramatic off-topic post about how unfair life is?
nope, i would click logout and find a new hangout
none of us are special and are just people in the world sitting behind a computer screen typing letters and words hoping to amuse one another
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Of course it does and Im one of them and always have been. While im not saying I was always innocent, but you have to learn to leave things alone untill you have absolute proof. Actually, come to think of it, it doesnt matter then b/c all they have to say about it is "b/c we can" or something similar.
Vapor had fair warning, there was a post made by luke explaining what was about to happen. Apparently he still wasnt paying attention, so thats how the cookie crumbles. This is why one shouldnt burn bridges in their life.
Part of the reason the some old left is b/c of the newer ones that spammed like hell and turned this place into crap. I lurked for a while b4 actually joining a year ago and noticed that spam was here as it always will, but there is a handful of ppl and thats almost ALL they do. In vapors case, all except the nfl thread, and even in there.
Im all for the "war on spam" if it will clean the threads up. Nothing is more annoying on a message board than sifting through tons of crap in a topic.
I also think some are confusing humor with spam. The line between the both isnt as fine as some ppl seem to think around here and it looks like thats part of their excuse.
There is nothing wrong with having fun in here but spam isnt it. That shit is juvenile and plain retarded and everyone in here( with few exceptions) are to old for that type of thing.
Sometimes one word replies do the answer, but rarely is that world rape or penis, especially in every post.
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Originally posted by mm
none of us are special and are just people in the world sitting behind a computer screen typing letters and words hoping to amuse one another
Good Lord, what a depressed freak you are, go suck an exhaust pipe or something.
As for the forums, I think they aren\'t as bad as everyone is saying. I have been here since the beginning and not much has changed since then. I agree that the whole \'raping\' thing and \'ghey\' thing got quite outta hand, but only because it was encouraged by certain people, mods included (I\'d name names but it would just get edited).
I agree though Theoman, there is alot of double standarding going on around here, not that I really care though, as, like I just said, its been like that from the beginning.
Vapour had fair warning, now he is paying the price. He acted immature and now he\'s paying for it.
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I would miss you too, mm. And I\'m sure a lot of other people would too. The fact that we are never in agreement doesn\'t bother me(except that Nintendo rocks ;)).
Omen, the forums started it\'s downward spiral A LONG time ago. Just recently(to be specific, Luke\'s thread, Luke, I love you) it has only picked up in quality. Don\'t think it just started it\'s downward spiral now, otherwise I would have to say you enjoy spam and meaningless posts instead of well thought out ones like in the old days. And I emphasize on meaningless posts there. Because mods do not really care about spam, just the extremely stupid posts like all the gay and fart jokes that have been occuring lately. There\'s good spam and then there\'s bad spam(go seinfeld).
I\'m really liking the direction of the forums now. Less spam and more thought out posts and threads. What\'s there to complain about? Less retarded posts? Stricter mods? Conform or leave. Simple as that.
You see, what\'s better. Two pages about ghey jokes and raping or the first 5 well-thought out posts in this threads? The quality of the forum in your opinion lies in your answer to that question.
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god damnit, would people stop using my joke as the deffinition of spam? I just did a search for my name and rape, it only came up in 20 threads, and of those 20 threads the majority of the time it\'s other people saying that I was going to rape someone. I went through most of those threads, and the one\'s that I did say "rape" were humor threads.
*edit, was busy looking at old threads and posting this took a long time*
Jumpman, I agree that quality threads are much better than spam fests, but I\'m affraid that the fun will be sapped out of these forums. In addition I think a majority of members who come here to goof around and have fun with one another will leave because of this, leaving the boards reletivly dead. I hope I\'m wrong though.
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/applaud jumpman
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Theoman, I wouldn\'t call your rape joke spam, because thats just it, it was a joke, that went way too far. Other members, tried hard, loser members that wanted to be funny, picked up on the joke and then it became common place. Your certainly not to blame for the forums dwindle into the abyss.
Like I siad, it\'s not (mostly) the regular members who are to blame, but rather selected mods, and how they chose to deal with the situation.
They can\'t complain about the standard of topics when it was them who were partially to blame. Come on, I know, simply because I was the target of some of those jokes, and some were made by mods.
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##RaCeR## Everything that I may have said or felt about you in my sort time on these boards was wrongly placed..... I\'m truly sorry.
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Just to clear things up...
There has never been a bad shower joke about Racer. He is also one of the best posters on this forum now.
Jumpman, I agree that quality threads are much better than spam fests, but I\'m affraid that the fun will be sapped out of these forums. In addition I think a majority of members who come here to goof around and have fun with one another will leave because of this, leaving the boards reletivly dead. I hope I\'m wrong though.
I hope you\'re wrong too. I enjoy the occasional spam fests where there\'s no point to it at all and very memorable posts come out of them. But that became the norm. 90% of threads were thrashed because one, two, or even 5 people would spam away thus completely ruining the thread for everyone else. And these would be serious threads too, not light-hearted ones. Ya just have to think it out and find away to not make it worthless spam.
People can still goof around. I know mods will tolerate it as long as it\'s on topic goofing around. Not every post has to be serious. That would get repitive for sure.
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I think we should all just get drunk and rape each other.
I didn\'t really help, did I? :D
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Vapor will be missed.... (Sorry couldn\'t get this into the other thread)
Anyway, I say stay if you wanna, leave if you wanna... That\'s all.
/me throws apples at everyone. ;)
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Originally posted by theomen
god damnit, would people stop using my joke as the deffinition of spam? I just did a search for my name and rape, it only came up in 20 threads, and of those 20 threads the majority of the time it\'s other people saying that I was going to rape someone. I went through most of those threads, and the one\'s that I did say "rape" were humor threads.
I didn\'t know you felt like that. I\'ll stop man, no problem. Sorry about that.
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It\'s no biggie, I just wanted to clear my name.
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Omg, I can\'t believe I never noticed this.
none of us are special and are just people in the world sitting behind a computer screen typing letters and words hoping to amuse one another
:laughing:
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I personally dont really care for the spam. Just try to limit it. If everyonce and a while a thread gets off topic, no big deal. But if it happens to every thread, something is wrong. I can\'t post on the forum alot, as some of you might have noticed because of school. And when I come home, i just open this page and look at some of the decent threads. I can just tell by the last few posters, and title if its going to be spam, raping, and homosexual talk.
The forum just has its rough times. I can remember an older forum I was in (WhoWouldYouKill.com) had its rough times too. I eventually left because it got too bad. Hopefully it wont come to that hear. I feel respected somewhat here. But I also know others hate me.
I just have one thing to say, that may help; dont create a thread about every little thing (example; An inimportant news cut and paste, stuff like that). It will almost eventually turn in to a flame and rape war. Which wont help the anti-spam.
I believe that we have a great community here. Some wonderful members, and now that VS is gone. I can actually enjoy posting, without seeing him "ejaculate on my face" again. Personally I am ****ing glad he is gone. I\'m glad he realised he isnt wanted. And hopefully he wont come back.
To the mods; I\'m glad you are cracking down on this spam. I myself was a spam whore a while ago. Sometimes still am. I am going to try to not do this. I\'ve seen how serious you guys are, and believe that you will take action. Thank you.
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Well, and mm knows this, that the cc forums had this problem for quite some time, and to a certain extent, it\'s gotten worse once Richie re-opened the forums. Quite frankly, I think the \'problems\' that you guys have here are NOTHING in comparison to the problems that we had over there -- and I must add that I was part of the problem at times.
Revolts, cussing outs, hackings, you name it, that place has had it. I must ask, mm, how many times have you actually posted over there since you originally left due to the problems with Viper, Supersmart, and whatnot? I\'m sure it hasn\'t been many, that\'s for damn sure.
Anyway, you guys over here seem to be crying for the wrong reasons. Sure, this place might be in a downard spiral, but you guys have a huge diversity of members. I tend to scoff at you guys when you complain about the way things go on around here. The fact is, this place is run better than most of the forums on the internet, and you should be appreciative of that.
Vapor...please. What exactly is the point of leaving, as what I\'ve heard? I didn\'t even get to read that thread because it got closed, but from what I\'ve heard, you\'ve made your ultimatum or whatever about leaving...I did it 3 or 4 times over at the cc\'s.
I think a nice little reality check is in order...I just don\'t know where it\'d come from.
See Yuz.
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I must ask, mm, how many times have you actually posted over there since you originally left due to the problems with Viper, Supersmart, and whatnot? I\'m sure it hasn\'t been many, that\'s for damn sure.
2...
Anyways, I hated Viper and supersmart while I was there. They ****ing closed EVERY topic in off-topic and I believe they were the ones who hacked the forums a couple of times. They were the biggest losers ever trying to act all thuggish on the internet. Totally ruined the experience for me. Although it was good there when mm was posting.
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Most interesting indeed...
So you, too, know what kind of crap went on over there about 2 or 3 years ago. It wasn\'t good for the mostpart, and again, the problems discussed here pale in comparison to what went on over there.
Of course, the Hacking wasn\'t them. None of them had near the ability to hack it, though they may have had connections, but I really don\'t even know. Again, odd times...the end was near, however, when Bjorn appointed that Davader kid with the Administration powers...that was awful.
Anyway, what was your name over there, Jumpman?
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by mm
heck, i could leave and just about the only two people that would miss me are clyde and soully
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I\'d miss you why?
fact is, i\'d probably miss no one here at psx2c if they left...
mainly cause they\'d end up at GT.. hehe :)
But it\'s not so much the spam that\'s the problem.. It\'s threads that only open to spam replys. Threads that are so single sided that it\'s hard to reply too.
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^^
forum is lagging like a bitch....
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And your in the US... Think of the Aussies...
I have cable and I am still waiting for a thread to open...
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Anyway, what was your name over there, Jumpman?
Oni Link...
*sigh*
I was the WORST poster ever there. You think Vapor was bad? I was infinitely worse than he was while I was posting at N64cc. My spelling and grammar was at a 4th grade level, my posts were short, offensive, meaningless, etc. I pretty much defined "worst poster ever". I was banned by mm after a week or two then came here. The old members would recall that I was a moronic Nintendo fanboy just like at N64cc, then gradually became a better poster and smarter person over time.
I came back to n64cc again but at that point it was unbearable with Viper and supersmart. So yeah, to sum up: Me at cc=retard. I know I just lost of all mm\'s and Jamas\' respect just by telling them that little piece of information.
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Jumpman, your not the same Jumpman we had here in like June 2000 are you?
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Ohhhh man, I remember you, what\'s up, man?
I don\'t hold grudges forever, though I do remember having an argument or...seven with you :p But hey, it\'s in the past, man.
Man..I miss those days before everything became corrupt...good times.
See Yuz.
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Lol, sup. :D
Yeah I remember being in with a few arguments with you and other people. I also remember being obliterated in every one of them.
Yeah CC had some great times. Even though everyone hated me and made fun of my bad spelling I still managed to have a lot of fun there. Great forum for awhile. I imagine it was like that well before I started posted there. Sounds like the 97-99 years there were awesome. Very good times there.
Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Jumpman, your not the same Jumpman we had here in like June 2000 are you?
You mean the original Jumpman with Goku avatarr?
That\'s me! :D I thought it was pretty obvious, hence the same name and all...
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As for VS, I\'m in somewhat agreement with Shox. VS\'s punishment had somewhat of a foul stench to it. It seemed more or less petty and childish, intended to piss him off and embaress him instead of punishing him and hopefully curve his spamming (which I never really minded)
Vapor Snake\'s punishment was a long time coming. The week long ban was just the tip of the iceberg and was the fairest warning in my opinion. Then, the day we let him back in, he chose to ignore new policy and to continue posting his own personal crap that no one cared to read thinking he\'d just get banned again for another week and then start back up just like normal. In fact, Luke actually said to give him a day before I said that his crap would not be tolerated any longer and stripped him of all he had earned on these boards.
Post counts mean nothing.
Avatarrs mean nothing.
User titles mean nothing.
Heck, I\'ll go ahead and take away all that I have to prove that, but to people who spam consistantly, it\'s a show that they obviously could care less about what they are posting as opposed to how frequently they are posting and him leaving showed just that. Then, without fail, he posted a new thread stating he was leaving and good riddance after two very fair warnings that we gave him. The simple fact is, all he had to do was abide by the rules and all would be fine and yet, he chose not to. How do you think we\'re going to act when that happens?
Regardless, he\'s gone and good riddance.
I just want to stress one thing: Quality over Quantity. The post counts were hidden for good reason, I\'m still wondering if people realize why that was.
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Originally posted by Ryu
Post counts mean nothing.
Avatarrs mean nothing.
User titles mean nothing.
I would have to STRONGLY dissagree. These things create a personality for you online. Sure, they are pretty superficial, but it creates your identity online. Take that away and all you have is a name
Jumpman - I thought it was you, just wasn\'t sure. You joined originally the same time I did.
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I agree with what Racer said. Those things are there to help members express themselves. They are entertaining, they give a poster an identity.
Just to make things a bit clearer on what I was saying...I was not against Vapor\'s one week ban. I was against resetting his posts, giving him a demeaning user title, and stripping him of his avatar. That seemed childish to me.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
resetting his posts, giving him a demeaning user title, and stripping him of his avatar. That seemed childish to me.
Thats exactly what I am saying. That is REALLY bad modding IMO.
Could have been dealt with alot more maturity.
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I think jst banning him would have been a better choice than how it was dealt with.
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He was warned, then banned, then warned again, then I took away his post count and 2 other moderators came up with the pic and the user title. If you won\'t have respect for the rules and forum policy, then you don\'t deserve the privilidges that are offered here. All of you earned your avatarrs and custom titles and name colors and pretty much all of you post good stuff, but when you decide the rules just don\'t conform to your agenda and pretty much piss all over them, you don\'t deserve them. Simple as that.
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So...if the member breaks the rules, it\'s alright to make a mockery of him, and THEN ban him?
Just a question, of course. It just doesn\'t make sense to me.
See Yuz.
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Originally posted by ROL Jamas
So...if the member breaks the rules, it\'s alright to make a mockery of him, and THEN ban him?
That\'s what mm did to me when I was at CC. He put "sheep" under my avatar.
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I\'m not attacking you personally Ryu, but I think that the idea of doing what you did to his posts, avatar, and status was low. If you want him gone, just ban him. Don\'t send him the message that way.
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VS wasn\'t permanantely banned. The banning was his first warning. Then, he decided, after the banning, not to adhere to the rules. I figured the first banning would be enough for him to understand that, but instead, he posted that first thread when he returned stating that he would not adhere to the new rules nor would he change his posting methods and then he asked to be banned. I suppose we could have just banned him, but why would that work if it didn\'t work the first time? I figured he would reform, behave, and then later, after he finally started to adhere to the rules, I\'d return most, probably all of his original features.
Instead, he decided to leave. Maybe we pushed him, but would the result be different if we banned him forever? At least with what I did, he had a chance to at least make good with his time here. He decided not to.
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Why should he adhere to your demandings when you had something against him from the start?
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My demandings? They are forum policies. I had something against him, sure, but that had nothing to do with the actions taken. He made the posts, not me.
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Yea yea yea, policies, got ya. Actions taken, is that before or after you defaced his name?
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I have to agree with shock and Racer. That was too harsh. Post counts and status and avatar shape your personallity. Taking that away is like locking you up in a maximum security prison. All your dignity is stripped away. Yeah, he was a spammer. That\'s just who he is. You can\'t change that. All you can do is tell him to change but taking away his post counts and everything would just make him have a bigger grudge for the admins and would do what he did but only worse. I\'ve lost respect for Ryu now. That punishment was too harsh. A banning is what the rules say that would happen for spamming and adding rules that aren\'t listed is not right. In fact its very unfair.
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Calling someone "not funny" is defacing them? I don\'t seem to recall when the same, in fact far more extreme, reactions came from you Bozco when this was done to the x-trolls around here awhile ago when they were here. In fact, I seem to remember you loving and laughing about it just the same. What makes what we did to Vapor any different?
Notice how I said "we did" as opposed to "I did"?
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Originally posted by Titan
I have to agree with shock and Racer. That was too harsh. Post counts and status and avatar shape your personallity. Taking that away is like locking you up in a maximum security prison. All your dignity is stripped away. Yeah, he was a spammer. That\'s just who he is. You can\'t change that. All you can do is tell him to change but taking away his post counts and everything would just make him have a bigger grudge for the admins and would do what he did but only worse. I\'ve lost respect for Ryu now. That punishment was too harsh. A banning is what the rules say that would happen for spamming and adding rules that aren\'t listed is not right. In fact its very unfair.
Exactly. If you want to hide behind the rules, don\'t go outside of them to punish him.
And what makes this different is that Vapor was clearly singled out, and punished in a way that no one else has been recently. He was targetted, pretty simply put. If you think he was the worst poster here, then you and I must be looking at different forums.
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The rules are there for guidelines and what would happen. I saw no where in the rules where it said that member status, avatar and posts would be stripped. What you did was wrong and you know it.
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i dont think he did anything wrong
VS felt this place was his playground, as do several other members
all ryu did was prove that post count means SO much more to people than it should
/applaud ryu
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Originally posted by Ryu
Calling someone "not funny" is defacing them? I don\'t seem to recall when the same, in fact far more extreme, reactions came from you Bozco when this was done to the x-trolls around here awhile ago when they were here. In fact, I seem to remember you loving and laughing about it just the same. What makes what we did to Vapor any different?
Notice how I said "we did" as opposed to "I did"?
Things change, people change, past instances don\'t change what is happening right now. Putting Vapor in the same pile as a troll is pretty funny too.
And yes, taking his avatar and putting up a different title is defacing. As for it being a joint decision as opposed to just you, ok. Its all the same to me.
And since you had something against Vapor from the start, just wondering if you do against me.
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besides that you copied my fight club avatar?
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Admins can do whatever they want, that\'s what they are called admins. They make the rules correct? They could just be like "hey let\'s ban anyone who doesn\'t end their post with I am gay" and that would be a rule. It\'s an internet forum, not a (flawed) democracy. I thought dictatorship was expected.
It\'s like creative sentecing from a judge. Instead of sending them to jail they make them someone\'s butler(I got that from seinfeld so yes it\'s stupid).
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Originally posted by mm
i dont think he did anything wrong
VS felt this play was his playground, as do several other members
all ryu did was prove that post count means SO much more to people than it should
/applaud ryu
Well, perhaps that\'s my point right there. There are other members that I feel are worse than Vapor was. They haven\'t been dealt with the same way. That\'s what makes it seem like he was singled out and targetted, like you\'re making an example of him or something.
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actually, i think it was more along the lines of...
ryu felt VS was acting like a spoiled child, so he treated him like one and took away his toys
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Well, perhaps that\'s my point right there. There are other members that I feel are worse than Vapor was. They haven\'t been dealt with the same way. That\'s what makes it seem like he was singled out and targetted, like you\'re making an example of him or something.
this is because Vapor was a part of the clique. Let\'s face it, there\'s a double standard here.
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Originally posted by mm
actually, i think it was more along the lines of...
ryu felt VS was acting like a spoiled child, so he treated him like one and took away his toys
And as a member of a message board, where the point is to discuss the things that affect us, I am talking about that decision, and saying why I disagree with it. Make no mistake, I\'m not trying to question the people in power, just debating a decision. I don\'t expect it to change...they never do.
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Originally posted by mm
besides that you copied my fight club avatar?
/applauds mm\'s smartass comment
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I don\'t really agree with the posts and avatar thing either. As much as some hated how he acted, he was a very dedicated member who got out of hand. He was banned for being an ass in the tigress thread. He actually didn\'t get banned for that, he got banned because he didn\'t need to talk like that to ooseven.
Him coming back and being a big penis is indicative of a young kid who was punished. He lashed back. That\'s psychology. Big deal. To each his own. I don\'t think he should have been stripped of everything.
It would be very very very nice if we could just get him to cut back and post like a normal human being. But I guess he can\'t do it.
I hate it when people leave who have been a big part of the board. It\'s impossible to like everyone.
This whole spam crackdown I\'ve noticed happens about every 6 months.
We lose Vapor, but hell, we have Spencer now so we\'re even.
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And what makes this different is that Vapor was clearly singled out, and punished in a way that no one else has been recently. He was targetted, pretty simply put.
He wasn\'t singled out at all. He made the decisions that got himself banned and then BEGGED to be disciplined.
Here\'s a PM from ooseven to Vapor and his reply right below that.
ooseven wrote on Today 04:22 AM:
For your own sake i deleted your reply in the Tigeress thread
please don\'t let it happen again !
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VaporSnake wrote:
Ban me for a week plz.
And so he was. Then he returned.
Vapor Snake:
I\'m back! Mwuahahaha!
...and I\'m not changing a single thing when it comes to my style of posting!
Luke warned him after that. Instead, he persisted being a little child.
VaporSnake:
Well then you\'ll just have to keep banning me till\' your blue in the face!
Yah.
MM nailed it. He was being a little spoiled brat so I took away his toys. He\'s an example only if you think he is, he brought this ALL on himself.
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There were people worse on the boards than him but you seem to single him out. Its stupid to add rules that are unjust and unfair and not inform the users until one of their own got screwed. The admins power is going straight to their heads. Some admins, in my opinion, shouldn\'t even be admins if they do shit like this.
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I can\'t believe that I haven\'t posted on this subject!!
Ok, my thoughts on the subject...
Well, first off, I don\'t think Vapor should have been treated the way he was. I think people here are just using this "stop spam" excuse to kick out, and bash on the people they don\'t like. Wait for the perfect opportunity and then point the finger and try to make them look bad. This "War against spamming" is bullshit. I get why you people want to stop it, but then again it\'s just dumb. I think this War is just another form of spamming. It\'s just disguised as a "serious topic". Spamming has always been here, it hasn\'t gotten worst, it\'s always been the same(Well since I\'ve signed up).
You mod\'s and people that are so interested on the future of this forum, why are you barely beginning to fight spam? Why are you letting people like Vapor go through hundreds of posts of "spamming" and just now decide to stop it?
Like I said, it\'s just another way of getting out of boredom. It\'s bound to die out sooner or later. Then all the spam will start again.
Who decided that we should fight spam? Ok yes, this is a "private" forum, but shouln\'t the members, the ones who actually post here be able to have a word on this. What if 90% of us like the spamming, like getting raped....not literally...?
You can\'t make this forum a "better place" by kicking out and bashing all the people you consider "spammers". They might be spammers to you, but to others they might be something different.
OK, so let\'s see. If I started a thread taht you people considered "spam", and a bunch of you posted to it, wouln\'t they be considered "spammers" to?
Quality-over-Quantity??
I don\'t think that should apply at all. Take Giga and moi for example. To him im probably a spammer, because he says that all my posts are bullshit. But thats just him though. Quality is something that everybody has a different view on. If people like being stupid, then let them go ahead, WHAT is so bad about spamming anyways? Does it cost money for every post? How does it make the forum look bad? If other people came in here just to have a look, who gives a **** about what they think. If we\'re going to change something about this forum, let it be something we can all agree upon, not something that is trying to make this forum look like something it aint, and probably would never be.
Besides, this is the off-topic section, not the "Be serious" section.
I think this "spamming" is going to stop or cool down, but will never disappear. Right now there is NOTHING new going on the world of Video games, so what the hell.
/me sits back and waits for Giga and all the "intelligent" members to post
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Sorry for the long read peepz.
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I don\'t think that Vapors actions are in debate, it\'s the handeling of it that\'s in question.
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Originally posted by Ryu
He wasn\'t singled out at all. He made the decisions that got himself banned and then BEGGED to be disciplined.
Here\'s a PM from ooseven to Vapor and his reply right below that.
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Yah.
MM nailed it. He was being a little spoiled brat so I took away his toys. He\'s an example only if you think he is, he brought this ALL on himself.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe I wasn\'t talking about his bannings at all? I said I supported that. I\'ve seen those PM\'s before too. The post count thing...fine, if you think that was what was needed, then I guess we all have to live with it. That\'s why you\'re in power, right?
I am more referring to the way he has been treated in general lately. Yes, the post count thing was uncalled for. Sure, he said some things. So what? Did you let him post a while first? No. You never gave him a chance.
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There were people worse on the boards than him
Name one, and make sure he was a frequent off-topic visiter and not just a troll like SegaCultX or Revrend. And damn, come to think of it, they were better than Vapor. They were actually funny.
Ryu is speaking and no one is listening. He brought it upon himself(I said this before too, but it went by everyone head\'s then too). He ****ing asked for it.
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I thought spamming was required here to get your avatar? I have been a member here for a bit, and I still don\'t have my 500 post count. At this rate I will have it in about another 2 years. As a side note the only way I could get an avatar (which I would like to have) is post a bunch of spam. If I did that then I am not sure if I could just shut off the spam then. It would be a bad habit hard to break.
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I am more referring to the way he has been treated in general lately. Yes, the post count thing was uncalled for. Sure, he said some things. So what? Did you let him post a while first? No. You never gave him a chance.
I didn\'t ban him, that was chance enough. He had, and still has, the oppurtunity to reform. It was his decision to leave, not mine.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Name one, and make sure he was a frequent off-topic visiter and not just a troll like SegaCultX or Revrend. And damn, come to think of it, they were better than Vapor. They were actually funny.
Ryu is speaking and no one is listening. He brought it upon himself(I said this before too, but it went by everyone head\'s then too). He ****ing asked for it.
Personally, the list of people worse than Vapor for me would be much longer than the list of people better than him. There were few members I liked as much as him. Sure, he spammed some, but he also very frequently had some interesting stuff to say.
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Originally posted by Ryu
I didn\'t ban him, that was chance enough. He had, and still has, the oppurtunity to reform. It was his decision to leave, not mine.
You clearly drove him away. If I were treated the same way, I\'d be out of here too. Hell, I\'m considering it anyway. And you better believe I\'d make a big deal out of it too. It was the least he should get after the shit that was done to him.
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to add on to what sirmystiq said.
If the members of the forum truely think that someone is out of line, a big spammer, or just bringing down the forum, we usually let our opinions be known. Ie PS2_Gurl, who posted spam constantly with out ever being banned.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Name one, and make sure he was a frequent off-topic visiter and not just a troll like SegaCultX or Revrend. And damn, come to think of it, they were better than Vapor. They were actually funny.
Ryu is speaking and no one is listening. He brought it upon himself(I said this before too, but it went by everyone head\'s then too). He ****ing asked for it.
I fail to see how he brought it upon himself. Acting like a child is his personality. My personality is to be a wise ass. I see no one cracking down on me doing that. I spam just as much as Vapor yet I\'m not banned. His personality was different that the rest of you and he shouldn\'t be punished because he\'s different.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Personally, the list of people worse than Vapor for me would be much longer than the list of people better than him. There were few members I liked as much as him. Sure, he spammed some, but he also very frequently had some interesting stuff to say.
Personally? *stops reading*
Ok, HE SPAMMED ALL THE TIME. Caps were needed there because for some reason you seem to have pics of him on your wall. Frequently had some interesting stuff to say? Like when? This is the same Vapor we\'re talking about right?
Whatever, if you love Vapor, fine. More power to you. He broke the rules frequently, got warned, got dealt with in a questionable but fair way in his case IMO, and is now gone. You questioned the admins, they answered, let it be already.
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You know, I started to read this thread, but I got bored. I\'m just thankful that a select few people put their time and effort into these boards. I like the fact that I can log on every day and observe or join in on conversations with peeps from around the planet. If this place disappeared tomorrow, I would wonder what happened to all of you guys. I don\'t have any other way of conversing with you. Normally, spam doesn\'t bother me, but then again, I don\'t have to mod these boards. I\'ve browsed other boards, and they all suck.
so in short-
if any of my actions have made this crackdown necessary- I\'m sorry. Sometimes it\'s fun to act like a kid. I\'ll continue to log in everyday, I wanna see what you guys are talking about.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Personally? *stops reading*
Ok, HE SPAMMED ALL THE TIME. Caps were needed there because for some reason you seem to have pics of him on your wall. Frequently had some interesting stuff to say? Like when? This is the same Vapor we\'re talking about right?
Whatever, if you love Vapor, fine. More power to you. He broke the rules frequently, got warned, got dealt with in a questionable but fair way in his case IMO, and is now gone. You questioned the admins, they answered, let it be already.
Ok, want me to name a member that I think is worse than him? How about you, for starters. And don\'t get me wrong, I don\'t mean just a little worse. It\'s not even close.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Personally? *stops reading*
Ok, HE SPAMMED ALL THE TIME. Caps were needed there because for some reason you seem to have pics of him on your wall. Frequently had some interesting stuff to say? Like when? This is the same Vapor we\'re talking about right?
Whatever, if you love Vapor, fine. More power to you. He broke the rules frequently, got warned, got dealt with in a questionable but fair way in his case IMO, and is now gone. You questioned the admins, they answered, let it be already.
Umm, I spam more that him and I haven\'t even gotten a warning or anything yet. The Lurkers ring a bell? Past few weeks I\'ve been nothing but spamming. Vapor only started to spam recently. I never noticed a problem except that some of his posts were childish but that doesn\'t bother me. We should have the freedom to post however we want.
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You clearly drove him away. If I were treated the same way, I\'d be out of here too.
Heh, it\'s like saying the glass is half empty when I see the glass as half full. You think taking all that away is a terrible defamation of character when the important thing is is that he can still contribute provided he goes by the rules. The rest falls into place after that. Post counts and avatarrs don\'t make a good poster. It\'s what you say that makes you a good poster. You above all should know that and I figured I\'d let his actions do the talking. He talked right off the forum.
Acting like a child is his personality.
Wrong. He showed that he can be mature and intelligent with his posts and yet, in the very same thread, said that he would never stay that way. He obviously as the potential to be a good poster, yet he chooses not to be one just like he chose to leave.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Personally? *stops reading*
Ok, HE SPAMMED ALL THE TIME. Caps were needed there because for some reason you seem to have pics of him on your wall. Frequently had some interesting stuff to say? Like when? This is the same Vapor we\'re talking about right?
Whatever, if you love Vapor, fine. More power to you. He broke the rules frequently, got warned, got dealt with in a questionable but fair way in his case IMO, and is now gone. You questioned the admins, they answered, let it be already.
Shouln\'t you be banned for bashing on him??
I don\'t give a damn if you think Vapor is cool or not, and I really don\'t care. You just took his post and tried to make him look bad, bullshit, you\'re breaking your own rules. It was interesting to him, doesn\'t matter if it was to you or not.
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Originally posted by Titan
I fail to see how he brought it upon himself. Acting like a child is his personality. My personality is to be a wise ass. I see no one cracking down on me doing that. I spam just as much as Vapor yet I\'m not banned. His personality was different that the rest of you and he shouldn\'t be punished because he\'s different.
Ugh.
It wasn\'t just spam. He did everything wrong. It wasn\'t just spam like some of you make it out to be. Insulted members, mods and newbies for no reason, spammed, ruined topics, and then ASKED to be banned(you call that not bringing it upon yourself?). He wasn\'t just a child. He was an annoying and bad child that gets detention every day after school.
You conform to the rules, he didn\'t. And there is the difference.
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And here we go, deriving from the Topic.
VS - Defaced. That\'s what it comes down to. We question this action because quite frankly, it was unjust. Why deface somebody? Saying that he \'pushed the envelope\' as far as being pushed away means nothing whatsoever. What matters is the manner of the way things were done, and the circumstances they were done in -- both unjust.
See Yuz.
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I act like a child too and spam also. But I too have intelligent conversations. I act a lot like Vapor. Without him on the boards, this place is dull and boring. It may not seem it to you be he contributes to this board. I found him to be funny. A couple things he posted, I almost fell out of my seat. My post rate dropped this week because I had nothing to reply to or anything.
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Originally posted by Ryu
Heh, it\'s like saying the glass is half empty when I see the glass as half full. You think taking all that away is a terrible defamation of character when the important thing is is that he can still contribute provided he goes by the rules. The rest falls into place after that. Post counts and avatarrs don\'t make a good poster. It\'s what you say that makes you a good poster. You above all should know that and I figured I\'d let his actions do the talking. He talked right off the forum.
The point is, if I were treated as he had been here, I wouldn\'t want to post here anymore. You did him no favors, so stop pretending that you did. Ask him what he would have rather had.
Sure post counts and avatars don\'t make a good poster. Then again, I guess mod and admin status doesn\'t necessarily make you a good judge of the quality of someone\'s posting either.
And tell me Jumpman, if you were banned today, do you think people would be making this big a deal about it? The fact that there are so many people saying these things should tell you something.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Ugh.
It wasn\'t just spam. He did everything wrong. It wasn\'t just spam like some of you make it out to be. Insulted members, mods and newbies for no reason, spammed, ruined topics, and then ASKED to be banned(you call that not bringing it upon yourself?). He wasn\'t just a child. He was an annoying and bad child that gets detention every day after school.
You conform to the rules, he didn\'t. And there is the difference.
I insult members, call them morons, dumbasses, shitheads, ect. I\'ve ruined topics before, I\'m one of the biggest spammers. Oh, I talked to him last week and he said that he asked to be banned because he wouldn\'t give the admins the satisfaction of doing it later. I would do the same.
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I personally think that his sence of humor was mistaken for being spam. He had many running jokes that could have been misconstruded as spam. And let\'s face it, like I said before, if he was such a horrible member I\'m willing to bet that the majority of posters would have let there feelings be known. We always have, and always will be outspoken about what we think of members/mods/admins.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Shouln\'t you be banned for bashing on him??
I don\'t give a damn if you think Vapor is cool or not, and I really don\'t care. You just took his post and tried to make him look bad, bullshit, you\'re breaking your own rules. It was interesting to him, doesn\'t matter if it was to you or not.
Listen to Giga.
Should I be banned for bashing him? Let\'s ask the admins.
mm says: no
Ryu says: no
These are just "guesses" of mine, but I imagine they are fairly accurate.
Seriously, do I *look at list of what Vapor did wrong*? No. Therefore I should not be banned. Next.
Well, I\'m not the only one "bashing" him. The admins are too. Hey, let\'s ask them to ban themselves now. ****ING BRILLIANT.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
The point is, if I were treated as he had been here, I wouldn\'t want to post here anymore. You did him no favors, so stop pretending that you did. Ask him what he would have rather had.
Sure post counts and avatars don\'t make a good poster. Then again, I guess mod and admin status doesn\'t necessarily make you a good judge of the quality of someone\'s posting either.
And tell me Jumpman, if you were banned today, do you think people would be making this big a deal about it? The fact that there are so many people saying these things should tell you something.
A nice point was made here, and I agree with it wholeheartedly. Like Tony, I\'d be out of here damn fast if I got the same treatment that Vapor did.
See Yuz.
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^^^^
WORD.
........OHH NO SPAM!!!!!!!
I completely agree with you. I think we should contact the owner of this place and let him now about it........
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according to mm, bjorn agrees with what ever mm decides.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Listen to Giga.
Should I be banned for bashing him? Let\'s ask the admins.
mm says: no
Ryu says: no
These are just "guesses" of mine, but I imagine they are fairly accurate.
Seriously, do I *look at list of what Vapor did wrong*? No. Therefore I should not be banned. Next.
Well, I\'m not the only one "bashing" him. The admins are too. Hey, let\'s ask them to ban themselves now. ****ING BRILLIANT.
EXACTLY! You have nothing to worry about. You\'re not about to ban yourself. That also give you no right to take other posts and **** them up. Doesn\'t give you the right to call other people stupid. Everybody else but the mods and admin. can be banned for bashing.....Does that sound fair to you all?
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Listen to Giga.
Should I be banned for bashing him? Let\'s ask the admins.
mm says: no
Ryu says: no
These are just "guesses" of mine, but I imagine they are fairly accurate.
Seriously, do I *look at list of what Vapor did wrong*? No. Therefore I should not be banned. Next.
Well, I\'m not the only one "bashing" him. The admins are too. Hey, let\'s ask them to ban themselves now. ****ING BRILLIANT.
What\'s the difference between bashing a new member and bashing Vapor? There is no difference. Technically, you are breaking a rule. A member is a member. Banned or active. It doesn\'t matter.
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Contacting Bjorn would be pointless. He isn\'t the one we have a problem with.
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And tell me Jumpman, if you were banned today, do you think people would be making this big a deal about it? The fact that there are so many people saying these things should tell you something.
I think you said it earlier. It was the way he was dealt with. That\'s why we\'re still talking.
Oh, and the thread talking about my banning got closed after 3 pages.
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also he wouldn\'t understand anything that is going on, seeing as though the Admins are his eyes and ears.
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I said today. Not years ago.
And yes, it was the way he was dealt with, but do you think I\'d still be posting if I agreed with what you all think of him as a member of this community? No. I happen to think he was one of the very top members here, and was one of the posters I enjoyed the most. That\'s my point.
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Contacting Bjorn would be pointless. He isn\'t the one we have a problem with.
Yeah, but maybe he would agree and make me a mod!!!
haha nah, but still he is the OWNER. Maybe he want\'s this place full of "spam", you never know....
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I think Jumpman is just being a brownnose right now. The only decent admin is Vid. I\'ve lost respect for the rest (besides Bjorn who probably doens\'t want much to do with this)
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Like Shox said, not only was VS screwed over pretty much, but he also had alot of friends on these boards, and was a very well liked member. I for one enjoyed his posts emensly.
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Titan this goes for you too.
Originally posted by SirMystiq
EXACTLY! You have nothing to worry about. You\'re not about to ban yourself. That also give you no right to take other posts and **** them up. Doesn\'t give you the right to call other people stupid. Everybody else but the mods and admin. can be banned for bashing.....Does that sound fair to you all?
Holy shit. No one is ****ing listening. It wasn\'t just Vapor\'s bashing of other members, it was EVERYTHING he did. He did everything wrong and he did everything wrong frequently. Do I need to repeat that 100 times for you to understand?
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Not me. I have a lot of respect for almost every staff member here.
Titan, come on now...what did Eiksirf do to lose your respect? :p
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REVOLUTION!!!
Vid is cool, but Sam is too.
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Name things he did wrong that was unique to him.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Holy shit. No one is ****ing listening. It wasn\'t just Vapor\'s bashing of other members, it was EVERYTHING he did. He did everything wrong and he did everything wrong frequently. Do I need to repeat that 100 times for you to understand?
No, you are the one that isn\'t listening. If he was so bad, he wouldn\'t have had so many friends on the boards. You have yet to give good examples of why he was so bad.
And SirMystiq, it\'d be better not to hint at a "revolution".
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Titan this goes for you too.
Holy shit. No one is ****ing listening. It wasn\'t just Vapor\'s bashing of other members, it was EVERYTHING he did. He did everything wrong and he did everything wrong frequently. Do I need to repeat that 100 times for you to understand?
IM LISTENING!!!
BUT, if you are so interested in stopping all this "bad things" now, then why not start NOW! Or should we just let you continue on, and wait until you piss one of the mods off before you get banned?
DAMN, you\'re right shockwaves. I shouln\'t have said anything..ohh well we would still win!!
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yeah, the "R" word is one that we\'re all trying to tip toe around right now.
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I said today. Not years ago.
Well that\'s because I don\'t post nearly as much and as controversial as I did then. It\'s not a fair comparasion if it would be about today.
I think Jumpman is just being a brownnose right now.
I think you\'re the brownnose(seriously, what the **** is a brownnose?).
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If he was bad, noone would like him. Everyone would hate him. He obviously has a lot of friends here which means he was liked. It is obvious that you have wax in your ears.
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if that\'s a serious question, then he\'s saying that you\'re a tool of the mods as of late. you\'re kissing ass.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
I think you\'re the brownnose(seriously, what the **** is a brownnose?).
It means you have your nose so far up the admins ass that you\'d do anything so they won\'t ban you again. And yeah, I\'m a brown nose when I clearly disagree with them. STFU andknow what your saying first, moron.
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No, you are the one that isn\'t listening. If he was so bad, he wouldn\'t have had so many friends on the boards. You have yet to give good examples of why he was so bad.
Omg I already did. You are not listening.
-Spammed.
-Insanely stupid posts.
-Ruined topics(did these last three frequently).
-Insulting members, newbs, and admins and mods
-He was asked by the admins to change because of the following reasons, but refused.
He is the only one guitly of doing all of this. Are these not good reasons? Don\'t asnwer for your own good.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Omg I already did. You are not listening.
-Spammed.
-Insanely stupid posts.
-Ruined topics(did these last three frequently).
-Insulting members, newbs, and admins and mods
-He was asked by the admins to change because of the following reasons, but refused.
He is the only one guitly of doing all of this. Are these not good reasons? Don\'t asnwer for your own good.
Hows that different from me? And I told you, he asked to be banned so the admins won\'t get the satisfaction on doing it when they want to.
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as mentioned before, VS had many friends, was looked fondly upon and had few enemies (unfortunetly the enemies were powerfull) and if he was such an asshole, he would have been ostersized by the members far quicker than the admins could have.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Omg I already did. You are not listening.
-Spammed.
-Insanely stupid posts.
-Ruined topics(did these last three frequently).
-Insulting members, newbs, and admins and mods
-He was asked by the admins to change because of the following reasons, but refused.
He is the only one guitly of doing all of this. Are these not good reasons? Don\'t asnwer for your own good.
I\'ll answer what the hell. NO. NOPE.
It was SPAM to YOU.
They weren\'t THAT stupid.
The topics were dead anyways.
I think the main one there is that he didn\'t listen to the all mighty admins.
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Originally posted by Titan
It means you have your nose so far up the admins ass that you\'d do anything so they won\'t ban you again. And yeah, I\'m a brown nose when I clearly disagree with them. STFU andknow what your saying first, moron.
Rolf, I\'m up the admins asses? I don\'t think so. I\'m just speaking how I feel about this situation, like you are. Besides, now that ddaryl isn\'t an admin anymore I have nothing to worry about(I would insult you here, but I\'m not going to drag myself down to your childesh level).
Oh, and calling you a BN was a joke. Thought that was pretty clear.
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Liek I said before, the power is going to a couple of the admins heads. I\'ve always thought that, especially when Luckee was banned. I stuck up for him. He also shouldn\'t have gotten banned.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Oh, and calling you a BN was a joke. Thought that was pretty clear.
Well it was a very gay joke.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Rolf, I\'m up the admins asses? I don\'t think so. I\'m just speaking how I feel about this situation, like you are. Besides, now that ddaryl isn\'t an admin anymore I have nothing to worry about(I would insult you here, but I\'m not going to drag myself down to your childesh level).
Oh, and calling you a BN was a joke. Thought that was pretty clear.
You already have when you failed to follow your own rules.
How old are you anyways?
Childish level?......more proof that some people are just not meant to be leaders.
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Originally posted by Titan
Liek I said before, the power is going to a couple of the admins heads. I\'ve always thought that, especially when Luckee was banned. I stuck up for him. He also shouldn\'t have gotten banned.
I KNEW SOMEBODY WAS MISSING!!!!
Im afraid to ask, but why was he banned?!
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He was banned a few months ago and I still don\'t have the full story.
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Originally posted by Titan
Hows that different from me? And I told you, he asked to be banned so the admins won\'t get the satisfaction on doing it when they want to.
You do not frequently insult people. There\'s a difference. You conform to the rules much better than he did.
I\'ll answer what the hell. NO. NOPE.
It was SPAM to YOU.
They weren\'t THAT stupid.
The topics were dead anyways.
Whatever. All opinionated reasons except for insulting people and ruining active threads.
I think the main one there is that he didn\'t listen to rules.
I agree.
SirMystic...shut up already. I already told you I don\'t do ALL of the things Vapor did. You are choosing to ignore that for some reason.
And you\'re asking me how old I am? Do I need to bring up your "girlfriend"? Stop making yourself look worse already.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
You do not frequently insult people. There\'s a difference. You conform to the rules much better than he did.
I still flamed and insulted people. I should be banned. Doesn\'t matter how much I\'ve done it. It says in the rules its a bannable offense.
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he acidently typed in .com instead of .net to a link. the .com link went to a porn site instead of the intended site.
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Originally posted by Titan
I still flamed and insulted people. I should be banned. Doesn\'t matter how much I\'ve done it. It says in the rules its a bannable offense.
Bannable being the key-word. You\'ll figure it out. I don\'t have the time for this thread anymore.
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I heard something along the lines. Then I posted not one but TWO threads sticking up for him and Ryu said it was \'things he\'s done in the past\'. If it was things he did in the past, they should have cracked on him then, not two or three months later.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
You do not frequently insult people. There\'s a difference. You conform to the rules much better than he did.
Whatever. All opinionated reasons except for insulting people and ruining active threads.
I agree.
TITAN is right on the money. When I typed that the main reason was that he didn\'t listen. I mean the main reason he was banned was because he hurt your ego and you just found a reason to ban him.
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The fact that he was liked doesn\'t change the fact that he broke the rules several times and was warned several times as a result before any action was taken.
You can question the actions all you want, but banning him outright would have angered you all the same. His character was hardly as defaced as you make it out to be. You make it sound like I went to his house, dipped him in cow dung, then used him to paint the town brown.
Banning him before obviously didn\'t do the trick so I tried something different. He could have easily earned it all back, but it wasn\'t going to happen with how he chose to post, and now it won\'t happen at all unless he returns.
Lose respect for me, fine. Hate me, fine. It will never change the fact that banning him would still make him gone like he is now. How it happened is hardly as important as why it happened. You all know why, yet you people are arguing a moot point. 1 week of banning didn\'t do it, another week is what he wanted and he\'d return just the same. Then suppose I banned him outright, he\'d be gone just the same. Now he\'s gone of his own free will and just like that, he has his own free will to return provided he posts appropriately and can earn back all that was taken from him. It\'s no different from him registering a new name and starting to post again.
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If I recall correctly, I flamed SirMystiq in the antiAmerica thread numerous times saying he\'s illiterate and stuff and is stupid and things like that (just using it as an example man :) ).
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Titan, what I gathered from luckee\'s banning was that the mistaken link was pretty much an excuse to ban him, because the mods were looking for him to slip up so that they could punish him for his prior stuff.
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I mean the main reason he was banned was because he hurt your ego and you just found a reason to ban him.
My ego? My ego? You sure about that? Do you need a couple of minutes to think of another bullshit reasons?
Ok, I\'m not talking to this guy anymore. Reminds me too much of rastalant. *shudders* I can\'t talk to people like you calmly.
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Originally posted by Ryu
The fact that he was liked doesn\'t change the fact that he broke the rules several times and was warned several times as a result before any action was taken.
You can question the actions all you want, but banning him outright would have angered you all the same. His character was hardly as defaced as you make it out to be. You make it sound like I went to his house, dipped him in cow dung, then used him to paint the town brown.
Banning him before obviously didn\'t do the trick so I tried something different. He could have easily earned it all back, but it wasn\'t going to happen with how he chose to post, and now it won\'t happen at all unless he returns.
Lose respect for me, fine. Hate me, fine. It will never change the fact that banning him would still make him gone like he is now. How it happened is hardly as important as why it happened. You all know why, yet you people are arguing a moot point. 1 week of banning didn\'t do it, another week is what he wanted and he\'d return just the same. Then suppose I banned him outright, he\'d be gone just the same. Now he\'s gone of his own free will and just like that, he has his own free will to return provided he posts appropriately and can earn back all that was taken from him. It\'s no different from him registering a new name and starting to post again.
But that "something different" was flat out unfair and you screwed him. A one week ban won\'t change jack shit. Thats like sending a murderer to jail for a month. I didn\'t believe in banning of Vapor to begin with. I agreed with it at first yes. But then the boards were more boring then a chess game played by old men. Now I don\'t agree with it and I don\'t agree with the stupid new "policy" that post counts and all his dignity are removed. He will never get back his post counts again, EVER. He had some 5000 posts which will take a year to get back there but even then, if he did, he should have 10000 posts. He will NEVER, EVER get his posts that he deserved back.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
You do not frequently insult people. There\'s a difference. You conform to the rules much better than he did.
Whatever. All opinionated reasons except for insulting people and ruining active threads.
I agree.
SirMystic...shut up already. I already told you I don\'t do ALL of the things Vapor did. You are choosing to ignore that for some reason.
And you\'re asking me how old I am? Do I need to bring up your "girlfriend"? Stop making yourself look worse already.
HAHAHA, boy bring up anything you want. You\'re just proving me right. You have to rely on other shit in order to make me look bad. Im not making myself look worst im making YOU look worst so stop bullshitting.
It\'s like you\'re trying to hurt my reputation by bringing up shit, b/c you know what I say is true. SO BLOW ME!!!<
TITAN is cool man, I already told you people, all those things don\'t affect me at all, I take them as ways of expressing the love that isn\'t there. :)
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Originally posted by Jumpman
My ego? My ego? You sure about that? Do you need a couple of minutes to think of another bullshit reasons?
Ok, I\'m not talking to this guy anymore. Reminds me too much of rastalant. *shudders* I can\'t talk to people like you calmly.
I thought you were done with this thread tonight :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Titan
I thought you were done with this thread tonight :rolleyes:
HAHA, c\'mon he\'s trying to make me look bad, leave him alone!!
I bet he was going to leave, but then he tought of the rep I had, and tought "well if i make this sirmyztiq dude look bad, then maybe people would join in and all this would be forgotten".
and YES, your ego.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
HAHAHA, boy bring up anything you want. You\'re just proving me right. You have to rely on other shit in order to make me look bad. Im not making myself look worst im making YOU look worst so stop bullshitting.
It\'s like you\'re trying to hurt my reputation by bringing up shit, b/c you know what I say is true. SO BLOW ME!!!<
You have yet to make a coherent post in this thread. I still have no idea where you are coming from with any of this. I\'m wrong not abiding to my own rules? What rules did I make up? Find them.
You\'re not making me look bad because you have nothing. You continue to think you are right but you don\'t even know what you are right about. I only brought up your past bs to try to knock some sense back into you.
I thought you were done with this thread tonight
Guess not. *whoosh*
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Just like I can take posts away, I can add them in. When I talk about restoring, I\'m talking about giving him back everything he lost. You\'re just making poor assumptions.
But that "something different" was flat out unfair and you screwed him. A one week ban won\'t change jack shit. Thats like sending a murderer to jail for a month.
He was warned and warned, and then banned. He persisted time and time again. How can people be THIS surprised that action was taken against him for it?
I agreed with it at first yes. But then the boards were more boring then a chess game played by old men.
You make it sound like he was the only member posting. I don\'t recall the boards going downhill when he was gone, they were going downhill ever since he arrived. Now that he is gone, they can only go up.
Now I don\'t agree with it and I don\'t agree with the stupid new "policy" that post counts and all his dignity are removed.
No one said this was forum policy. I used it on him because he wouldn\'t listen. Banning him for a week or even a month wouldn\'t get the point across to a person who acts like a child as you put it and banning him would have the same result so it\'s pointless to debate such a thing.
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Originally posted by Jumpman
You have yet to make a coherent post in this thread. I still have no idea where you are coming from with any of this. I\'m wrong not abiding to my own rules? What rules did I make up? Find them.
You\'re not making me look bad because you have nothing. You continue to think you are right but you don\'t even know what you are right about. I only brought up your past bs to try to knock some sense back into you.
Guess not. *whoosh*
OK, who thinks my posts have nothing to do with this topic, say me if you do.
You think they\'re nothing, but they are. You\'re a mod, you should still follow the rules even if you didn\'t make them up.
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Originally posted by Ryu
Just like I can take posts away, I can add them in. When I talk about restoring, I\'m talking about giving him back everything he lost. You\'re just making poor assumptions.
They were good assumptions. you were just assuming they were poor assumptions.
He was warned and warned, and then banned. He persisted time and time again. How can people be THIS surprised that action was taken against him for it?
I don\'t give a shit if he was warned. What you did to hiim by stripping all he had was just plain wrong and stupid. No one deserves it.
You make it sound like he was the only member posting. I don\'t recall the boards going downhill when he was gone, they were going downhill ever since he arrived. Now that he is gone, they can only go up.
I recall the boards were boring without him. He brought a livliness to the boards that no one else can bring. I don\'t see the boards going up anytime soon, especially now.
No one said this was forum policy. I used it on him because he wouldn\'t listen. Banning him for a week or even a month wouldn\'t get the point across to a person who acts like a child as you put it and banning him would have the same result so it\'s pointless to debate such a thing. [/B]
You are acting likethis is gonna be the new "policy" on the boards. Like I said before, no one deserves being stripped of everything. Its a stupid idea that would never work. It would only get them more pissed and provoke them to post like they did before but worse.
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ho thinks my posts have nothing to do with this topic, say me if you do.
This toppic was about the new direction that the forum is taking so...me. :p
You think they\'re nothing, but they are. You\'re a mod, you should still follow the rules even if you didn\'t make them up.
If they are not nothing, then what are they? What the **** are they about? Make some sense junior.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
OK, who thinks my posts have nothing to do with this topic, say me if you do.
You think they\'re nothing, but they are. You\'re a mod, you should still follow the rules even if you didn\'t make them up.
Jumpman\'s not a mod...is he?
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Um... I don\'t think he\'s a mod to my knowledge
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Phew. That would be scary.
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Thank God this thread hasn\'t been locked...
Anyway, after reading ALL of these posts it is quite CLEAR that Vapor did more than just insult people. He was NOT banned for insulting people, rather it was numerous things that irritated the mods and admins. What do some of you not understand? For the record I am neither for or against Vapor and as of now I don\'t believe he is banned. So his post count was diminished? His avatar was removed? So what!?!? He is free to post here as long as he doesn\'t do the same type of things he was doing before to get himself in this situation.
If he leaves its his own doing... I can\'t believe a debate has taken up six pages over this. As for you SirMystiq... aren\'t you the hypocrite to call someone childish. :rolleyes:
Now you can go ahead and lock it ;)
Hey you below me VVVVVVV GET INFORMED ;)
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Then why is he arguing like he is?!
Now, im confused. I tought he was a mod. Damn now im probably going to get a whole new post just for my self about not being informed, and not knowing what im talking about.
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This thread raised my post count atleast 20-25 posts :)
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Thank God this thread hasn\'t been locked...
Anyway, after reading ALL of these posts it is quite CLEAR that Vapor did more than just insult people. He was NOT banned for insulting people, rather it was numerous things that irritated the mods and admins. What do some of you not understand? For the record I am neither for or against Vapor and as of now I don\'t believe he is banned. So his post count was diminished? His avatar was removed? So what!?!? He is free to post here as long as he doesn\'t do the same type of things he was doing before to get himself in this situation.
If he leaves its his own doing... I can\'t believe a debate has taken up six pages over this. As for you SirMystiq... aren\'t you the hypocrite to call someone childish. :rolleyes:
Now you can go ahead and lock it ;)
I MISSED YOU!!!
I wasn\'t calling him childish, he called someone else childish. So I was just saying how calling another person childish shows how power gets to people\'s head.
The whole argument is not because we think he just insulted people, the insulting part came up when Jump insulted some one else. So technically he should be banned. According to the rules.
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You are acting likethis is gonna be the new "policy" on the boards.
I did nothing of the sort. You guys took a rather simple form of punishment, that could be earned back as easily as it was lost, and are blowing it into some massive huge debacle. Now it doesn\'t matter that he broke the rules, now it doesn\'t matter that he was warned. What does matter? The only thing that would satisfy you guys is if he came back and had all his right and privilidges just the same.
What you fail to realize is that it CAN happen! That\'s not my choice though, it\'s his. Maybe you should go convince him to come back and post normally so the boards can be "lively" (Wtf?) again. Remember to take some cues from him though, he said his own thread about him leaving was the most interesting thing posted in months so I guess he didn\'t think to highly of his own posts either, otherwise, there would be far more interesting discussions.
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Oh, so he thought I was a mod. I thought that was just another random example of his vast stupidity. *whoopa*
Then why is he arguing like he is?!
The same reason while most peolpe argue about something; because they believe in it.
And thanks for rewording what I already said, Giga. ;)
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Originally posted by Titan
This thread raised my post count atleast 20-25 posts :)
SPAMMER!!
Now that the dust has settled, let\'s bring Vapor back. The way he want\'s to be, no the way they want him to be.
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This thread is going nowhere fast. I think everything that people have wanted to say has been said. Now its getting out of hand.
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Originally posted by SirMystiq
Man you know what, **** YOU.
SirMystiq... calm down. It\'s only a forum.
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Agreed Giga.