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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: KillaX on February 01, 2003, 06:53:32 AM
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yes, the Space Shuttle columbia exploded on re-entry. they lost contact about 30 mins ago and there are live shots of stuff falling from the sky which are probly the remains of the ship.
There was a big explosion heard around dallas texas about 45 mins ago.......
edit: it is still considered missing..........
This is a sad day!
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I\'ve been watching this for a while. Very wild.
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I cant remember is there any ejection system on it????
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Good god!
*switches on tv*
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Just saw on TV, this is a tragedy!
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Oh my God. Not again.
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I merged Gman\'s thread with this one.
This is truly a tragedy.
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Originally posted by KillaX
I cant remember is there any ejection system on it????
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Yes there is some kind of ejection capsule system.It\'s just the crew cabin I think.In 86 at least 1 crew member survived the initial explosion so there is still a chance.
If not,rest in peace you brave explorers.They knew the chances of this happening and they still went.So would I.
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Let\'s pray for \'em.
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here is some more info:
something hit the left wing on takeoff but NASA looked over the takeoff and they said it wouldnt be a problem......I gues they were wrong........the ceramic tiles are very fragile......and if even one is gone it is a VERY bad thing.........
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Perhaps I should have watched the sticky posts.. Sorry!
Sad indeed! :(
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wow... I wake up on a saturday morning, thinkin\' "hmmm I think I\'ll make some coffee and play some GTA vice city...." somehow, I\'ve lost my urge to blow things up.......
RIP, heroic explorers.
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there was NO ejection system in the shuttle...........straight from CNN.
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How many years Columbia had?
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Wasn\'t it on the news yesterday that they had completed some 80 experiments on wieghtless and incests interacting in the enviorment? Something to that degree, I don\'t remember the exact number or the exact erxperiments.. Truly a sad thing, a crew of brave explorers lost and a lot of valueable data.
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22 years this year, first launch back in 81
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it was traveling at mach 6, they wouldnt have had a chance to eject.
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22 years? Hasn\'t NASA enough money to change the shuttle at least every 10 years? That\'s a bestiality, even planes are considered old with 20 years.
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I just read about it now, and already found stories telling of possible terrorist attacks.
Wasn\'t this the shuttle flight with the Isreali pilot?
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Adan the U.S. space program has been just scraping by for years.They get just enough to keep going and not much more.Pretty sad when you think of how highly our generation will be thought of when history looks back at the beginings of space exploation.
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Shuttles don\'t make flights every day like planes though Adan. In fact they will be left unused for years between missions.
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That\'s worse than fly every day Kurt.
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I just woke up and heard of it. It doesn\'t suprise me. Those shuttles are almost 25 years old with little upgrades. They needed new space ships. I am just praying for the families of the astronauts. This indeed is a tragedy.
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Originally posted by Cerberus
I just read about it now, and already found stories telling of possible terrorist attacks.
Wasn\'t this the shuttle flight with the Isreali pilot?
I\'ve seen the video and there\'s no doubt the shuttle was too high and going to fast to be shot down by a shoulder fired missle,those things couldn\'teven hit a commercial airliner at cruising altitude.Anything else like a SAM shot from the back of a truck in the middle of Texas seems pretty unlikey.
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the Columbia was over 23 years old. And ben-high is right, it seems like a lot of money is spent on NASA, but I think we spent more sending N. Korea oil & food....
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That damage to the wing is probably the cause
but its too early to tell
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I don\'t think it was a terrorist attack. Altitude was too high for weapons. Accident, I think, is the most reasonable cause.
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Originally posted by Clowd
That damage to the wing is probably the cause
but its too early to tell
I also think it was wing damage on takeoff......as my previous post about the left wing stated.
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I wonder what the hell could hit the wing at 612 kilometres of altitude.
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a possible scenario is that on re-entry the damage to the wing produced a tremendous amount of drag, ripped the wing off, turned the shuttle sidways and it tore apart/exploded sort of like that Hawaii airplane where one hole ripped the whole roof off of it
but im just speculating, we probably won\'t know the answer for months
also I feel sorry for the people in Texas, debris will be falling everywhere down there...
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if the black box survived the explosion that should tell us more about what happened, the wing got hit on takeoff my guess is a panel got loosened and then came off on re-entry thus causing the explosion due to too much heat and probly putting it into a spin of some sort
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and 17 years ago this past week the challenger exploded
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Originally posted by KillaX
and 17 years ago this past week the challenger exploded
I remeber watching that as well. It was live on tv.
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Originally posted by Titan
I just woke up and heard of it. It doesn\'t suprise me. Those shuttles are almost 25 years old with little upgrades. They needed new space ships. I am just praying for the families of the astronauts. This indeed is a tragedy.
Columbia alone has had over 50 overhauls.
And these shuttles go up about every two months. I think there are still 4 shuttles, I can\'t remember. So that makes it a little more than 1 time a year it goes up.
These shuttles are so out dated. They do the job of going up to the STS, but that\'s about all they are worth any more. They need a redesign.
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Call me sick but I hate how they don\'t show where the debris land. They show them falling but when they get close to hitting the ground they show another scene or keep the camera pointing up so you can\'t see it hit the ground
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It was really 17 years ago?........I can still remember that happening vivdly. How quickly time passes.
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Originally posted by Kurt Angle
It was really 17 years ago?........I can still remember that happening vivdly. How quickly time passes.
I was in 9th grade. We were on a field trip judging an elementary science fair. We actually saw the explosion live. We all went out and watched it from the schoolyard. Then we just sat glued to the TV.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Columbia alone has had over 50 overhauls.
And these shuttles go up about every two months. I think there are still 4 shuttles, I can\'t remember. So that makes it a little more than 1 time a year it goes up.
These shuttles are so out dated. They do the job of going up to the STS, but that\'s about all they are worth any more. They need a redesign.
I agree... my wife and I turned on the news when we woke up and that was one of the first things I said to her - the shuttles are over 20 years old. NASA really needs to come up with something new. It is a shame something like this happened. :(
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Originally posted by Cerberus
I remeber watching that as well. It was live on tv.
I was in 6th grade I think..............we turned on the tv to see what happened. Sally Ride (the lady who dided in the challenger explosion was a friend of my moms)
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I was 18 in High School and getting gas, when the gas station attendant asked me if I knew the shuttle had blown up. Another sad day... then people started coming out with lame Challenger jokes as I am sure will happen with the Columbia disaster.
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Saddam sent his sheep boinking suicide commandos into space to bomb the israeli space shuttle.
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Toxical.....STFU!
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This is so sad... I remember the sad day 17 years ago.. it hurts you somewhere. :(
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Originally posted by KillaX
I was in 6th grade I think..............we turned on the tv to see what happened. Sally Ride (the lady who dided in the challenger explosion was a friend of my moms)
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It was Christa McAuliffe who died on the Challenger. I think Sally Ride was the first female into space or something.
As for topic, this is truely sad. What pisses me off even more is that we gave BILLIONS to Isreal and millions more to many other countries, yet we fly 22 year old spacecraft. :mad:
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Originally posted by luckee
It was Christa McAuliffe who died on the Challenger. I think Sally Ride was the first female into space or something.
As for topic, this is truely sad. What pisses me off even more is that we gave BILLIONS to Isreal and millions more to many other countries, yet we fly 22 year old spacecraft. :mad:
USA gives money to Israel so that they in turn buy American tanks, planes, war equipment, parts, etc...
Most of the money comes back into the american economy anyway.
What makes me laugh is how much time CNN spends on the Israeli astronaut, and they dont\' spend any time on the American\'s and indian woman. Oh well, i guess Israel Owns the USA.
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It really makes me sad when this happens to people who are doing what I consider to be the most important thing we human beings can do: exploring and advancing our understanding of the universe. It\'s disgusting how poorly funded NASA has been in the last 20 years. Paying for a space program isn\'t essential to our survival, but we need to do it because it\'s what we\'re surviving for. It\'s what gives our species meaning and justifies our existence. What good is just surviving if you\'re not also doing something greater, and trying to comprehend all the mysteries we don\'t yet understand.
This also saddens me because it was the first Columbia mission, and the first space shuttle launch ever, that the band Rush used in their song "Countdown" back in 1982. They used audio from that launch in the song, and it\'s so thrilling it still give me shivers whenever I hear that. I always used to think, at least it was Challenger that blew up, not Columbia. Columbia is the special one. I guess nothing is special anymore.
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Originally posted by Toxical
USA gives money to Israel so that they in turn buy American tanks, planes, war equipment, parts, etc...
Most of the money comes back into the american economy anyway.
What makes me laugh is how much time CNN spends on the Israeli astronaut, and they dont\' spend any time on the American\'s and indian woman. Oh well, i guess Israel Owns the USA.
and we dont see all of it back. washing money has little to do with it. Its the fact that we take care of everyone but us, then when shit goes wrong, they constantly point fingers everywhere but where they should be.
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Originally posted by luckee
It was Christa McAuliffe who died on the Challenger. I think Sally Ride was the first female into space or something.
As for topic, this is truely sad. What pisses me off even more is that we gave BILLIONS to Isreal and millions more to many other countries, yet we fly 22 year old spacecraft. :mad:
luckee, each shuttle was designed to go through 100 launches then be retired. Columbia only went on like 28-38 or something. It didn\'t even reach a third of its life. Columbia still had a lot of its life left.
I think that the left wing burned up then created a chain reaction. A piece got shot off and hit the left wing. Engineers said that there was damage but it was minor. Big mistake. They should have parked Columbia at ISS and stayed there. I do feel bad for the Russian and American still at ISS. But they can use the escape pod or whatever it is to get back down.
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Originally posted by luckee
and we dont see all of it back. washing money has little to do with it. Its the fact that we take care of everyone but us, then when shit goes wrong, they constantly point fingers everywhere but where they should be.
I understand where you are coming from, and i agree, what has Israel done for me lately? nothing. Why should america feed/and arm them, while their shuttle fleet ages into dust.
Whole planet has gone mad-hopping israel crazy, kiss ass, kiss ass, bow down before your Israeli masters :D
No wonder a person can\'t say anything lest they be labeled an "Anti-Semite" :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Titan
luckee, each shuttle was designed to go through 100 launches then be retired. Columbia only went on like 28-38 or something. It didn\'t even reach a third of its life. Columbia still had a lot of its life left.
I think that the left wing burned up then created a chain reaction. A piece got shot off and hit the left wing. Engineers said that there was damage but it was minor. Big mistake. They should have parked Columbia at ISS and stayed there. I do feel bad for the Russian and American still at ISS. But they can use the escape pod or whatever it is to get back down.
I know, but this was also 30 years ago or something when this was thought. My point being is that we have so much better tech. now. A much better understand of structural engineering and such that we should have at least ONE up to the minute shuttle.
Either way, an accident can happen, but they can be decreased in chance as well.
I just hate when hero\'s die senselessly and Im looking for reasons to blame. I dunno *shrugs* :(
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Not to sound like an ass, but people die every day. "Heroes" or not.
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yea, I dont really care about the average joe that dies, basically only family/friends and ppl providing services to extend or better our lives in the big and small pictures.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Columbia alone has had over 50 overhauls.
And these shuttles go up about every two months. I think there are still 4 shuttles, I can\'t remember. So that makes it a little more than 1 time a year it goes up.
These shuttles are so out dated. They do the job of going up to the STS, but that\'s about all they are worth any more. They need a redesign.
We have two shuttles left vid. Endeavor and Atlantis. We had four all together. Challenger, Columbia, Endeavor and Atlantis. Two obviously burned up. The statistics don\'t look good. The shuttles go up about twice a year. Columbia was gonna go up again in November with the backup school teacher that was gonna go up in Challenger. I agree with you that they are out dated. They should have updated the computer systems and everything. The crew cabins of the shuttles do eject, just to clear that up. The Challenger crew cabin ejected but they all died from impact. Lockheed was going to make a new shuttle. Infact, they had plans but they cancelled the program due to budget cuts and technical problems I believe.
Who thinks that Atlantis is going up next month?
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Originally posted by Samwise
Not to sound like an ass, but people die every day. "Heroes" or not.
I was thinking the same thing. Although in this case REALLY smart and deserving people die. I mean, do you know how smart you have to be to be one of those guys? And I think 4 of them were on their first voyage to space.
Its sad, no doubts there, but I wont shed a tear or even think about it tomorrow much.
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Who thinks that Atlantis is going up next month?
Not a chance. The whole project will be put on hold I would think until this incident has been fully investigated.
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Originally posted by Samwise
Not to sound like an ass, but people die every day. "Heroes" or not.
But people don\'t die everyday in a space shuttle.
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Originally posted by Titan
But people don\'t die everyday in a space shuttle.
And?
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Originally posted by Titan
We have two shuttles left vid. Endeavor and Atlantis. We had four all together. Challenger, Columbia, Endeavor and Atlantis. Two obviously burned up. The statistics don\'t look good. The shuttles go up about twice a year. Columbia was gonna go up again in November with the backup school teacher that was gonna go up in Challenger. I agree with you that they are out dated. They should have updated the computer systems and everything. The crew cabins of the shuttles do eject, just to clear that up. The Challenger crew cabin ejected but they all died from impact. Lockheed was going to make a new shuttle. Infact, they had plans but they cancelled the program due to budget cuts and technical problems I believe.
Who thinks that Atlantis is going up next month?
You forgot the Discovery :) Which would be the next scheduled shuttle launched.
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If anyone cares, I found this on the NASA site. Its the mission of Columbia. It took me a while to finally get it.
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/video/shuttle/sts-107/html/fd0.html
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Originally posted by luckee
You forgot the Discovery :) Which would be the next scheduled shuttle launched.
Also forgot Enterprise. I can\'t remember what happened to that one. I think it was used for testing puposes only, or something like that.
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Originally posted by luckee
You forgot the Discovery :) Which would be the next scheduled shuttle launched.
I did, didn\'t I :D Thanks for telling me. But Atlantis was scheduled next. According to NASA, Discovery isn\'t even on schedule....I think. I\'ll look into it and get back.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Also forgot Enterprise. I can\'t remember what happened to that one. I think it was used for testing puposes only, or something like that.
That was never launched. Youre right, only test purposes.
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Here\'s the schedule. Sorry for the triple post.
http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/schedule/schedule.htm
EDIT: No Discovery launch luckee. Maybe Discovery had some problems.
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One shuttle is retired. I assume that is the Discovery.
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Why would they retire Discovery but Columbia is the oldest in the fleet? Maybe they\'ll have to recommision Discovery to replace Columbia.
EDIT: Found history of all the shuttles. Maybe Discovery is retired but it doesn\'t sound it.
http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/nasafact/orbiters.htm#col
EDIT2: Last revised 1992. I\'ll dig some more up about Discovery.
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http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/factoids/orbiter.htm#total
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Wow, it looks like Discovery has the most cycles, and all four active shuttles were in use at least through 2001. Endeavour would appear to be the newest.
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Interesting. Thanks luckee. I wonder how they tested Enterprise.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
Wow, it looks like Discovery has the most cycles, and all four active shuttles were in use at least through 2001. Endeavour would appear to be the newest.
Endeavor replaced Challenger after it blew.
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They died for our country, not out of malice or anything of that sort.
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...they died for MANKIND !
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A little info on the history of the Columbia
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/resources/orbiters/columbia.html
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Originally posted by Samwise
Not to sound like an ass, but people die every day. "Heroes" or not.
That is sounding like an ass. Yes people die, and it\'s sad. But to make light of what happened is being an ass
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hehe Styx you do not know that on these boards there are certain people who can say things like that and nobody says anything to them but if I say something of that order then everyone is on me.
You will learn how things flow around here soon ;)
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Uh, clowd, he\'s been here longer than you. I think he knows perfectly fine that everyone jumps all over your balls.
NASA is giving another press conference in 10 minutes and will give technical data.
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please can we just show our respects without turning this into a ~Political or even where to lay balme thing~.
Remember that Shuttle had 7 Humans on board.
thats someone\'s Daughter, Son, Husband, Wife.....
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They should have left Columbia at the station. They knew there was damage to the wing. An engineer did report minor damage and didn\'t think it would be a problem. I think the wing came off. That could explain the couple of bright dots but that\'s my opinion. that or when the insulating foam came off, the intense heat blew it up. Anyway, those two things were recipes for disaster. They should have grounded Columbia at ISS.
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I agree, they should never have left the station since they didnt know exactly how much damage took place. All of the critical tiles(black ones I believe) need to be in place. Thats the reason they dont come down through rain and storm clouds, b/c rain can damage the tiles pretty easily. They are extremely delicate, so for something to hit the wing and them come down without an exstensive check sucks.
Of course, alot of this is still speculation, so only time will tell how this unfolds.
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A couple tiles I think did get knocked off also during launch but that\'s just speculation.
I found this article. This could be the reason there are no Discovery launches this year. Cracks have been found on fuel lines or something.
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_726901.html
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I hate humans. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2909722097&category=1468)
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What\'s wrong with an invalid item? :p I know what it was. A piece of the debris. I did a search myself. A lot of sick morons out there. Good to know they can follow directions.
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Originally posted by Titan
What\'s wrong with an invalid item? :p
I think it could be that some complete dumass tryed to put a columbia fragment on Ebay.
the only timeyou see invalid item is when something gets pulled.
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I can bet that that guy will try again. Someone already got the patches online. Its good to see people are tyring to cash out of an international tragedy :rolleyes: He should atleast donate the money to the families.
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i hope they track down the Dumass that started the Bid and charge him.
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Originally posted by Styx
That is sounding like an ass. Yes people die, and it\'s sad. But to make light of what happened is being an ass
Somehow I just don\'t care if you or anyone else think I\'m an ass.
I\'m not "making light" of what happend, but people die every day and each death is a tragedy. I don\'t see how this is any different.
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The picture of that debris, I can swear they just showed some video of it on FOX News. Looked exactly the same. I doubt that guy had the piece.
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Originally posted by Samwise
Somehow I just don\'t care if you or anyone else think I\'m an ass.
I\'m not "making light" of what happend, but people die every day and each death is a tragedy. I don\'t see how this is any different.
Thats why i said we shouldn\'t turn the events into either a political or blame thing.
Samwise is right to have his view.
but then again so do the people who want to greve.
please Styx don\'t turn this thread into a member bashing thread.
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Originally posted by ooseven
please can we just show our respects without turning this into a ~Political or even where to lay balme thing~.
Remember that Shuttle had 7 Humans on board.
thats someone\'s Daughter, Son, Husband, Wife.....
You have said it all ooseven
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Originally posted by ooseven
please can we just show our respects without turning this into a ~Political or even where to lay balme thing~.
Remember that Shuttle had 7 Humans on board.
thats someone\'s Daughter, Son, Husband, Wife.....
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You have said it all ooseven
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So by going on that, you would agree to a member posting whenever someone dies in the world every few seconds, everyday?
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Originally posted by Styx
You have said it all ooseven
Thanks
but i still feal bad over the Thread cockup, i was trying to close the french in the ivory coast one.. but due to tiredness..the Flu..my own stupidity.. i some how manages to post my closeing statment in here and close this one.
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sorry everyone
anyway back on topic.
we just had a news report on Channel 5 here in the UK and they said ot could of been a fault with the black heat shield pannels on the underside of the shuttle.
now from what they said and i know this will sound Grim. they wouldn\'t of known what happend.
Structural failer could of been in seconds.
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Originally posted by Ryu
I hate humans. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2909722097&category=1468)
Texas. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by luckee
So by going on that, you would agree to a member posting whenever someone dies in the world every few seconds, everyday?
yeah i understand that buddy , but the shuttle disaster is High profile.
most people tend to ignore the everyday tragedy until it gets thrown in their face with a disaster on this scale.
the example of the Deaht of Diana is a prime example of this.
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I actually should apologize for being a difficult ass. I just sat in 35 minutes of traffic to travel less than a mile and almost got hit by another car.
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Originally posted by Titan
Uh, clowd, he\'s been here longer than you. I think he knows perfectly fine that everyone jumps all over your balls.
well, just more proof that this forum is full of hypocrites and 2 faces
back on the subject, I heard that something could have gone with the autopilot that keeps the shuttle steady on re-entry which would have caused the shuttle to start rocking back and forth which would increasingly get worst. That is another theory as to what could have gone wrong.
Also I remember a show about the shuttle that said 1 missing panel could be disaster....
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I believe in the press conference NASA officials are having now, it was said the shuttle was under control and that didnt lead to the accident.
They were also reporting that the debris that fell off during launch struck the left wing, which is the same wing where the sensors died.
Once again they stress it is wayyy to early to tell though.
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hate to say it, but this event isn\'t really deserving of 24hour news coverage on all networks. True, some very intelligent people died in the voyage of human enlightenment, but like Sammy said, People die every year. Cops are shot in the line of duty, military personel is killed, and inoccent bystanderds are murder all the time.
I can see showing a special segment on this event on news shows, but we all will be subjected to constant bombardment by the media for the next week, focusing on the space shuttle.
Personally I feel worse for those who are killed by suicide bombers, because at least the shuttle crew knew they were doing something dangerous and chose to do it.
Nonetheless, I feel bad for those involved in this, but I just get pissed at the news networks trying to cash in on this. If I didn\'t know better, I would blame them for causing it just so they have a good story.
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Originally posted by luckee
I believe in the press conference NASA officials are having now, it was said the shuttle was under control and that didnt lead to the accident.
They were also reporting that the debris that fell off during launch struck the left wing, which is the same wing where the sensors died.
Once again they stress it is wayyy to early to tell though.
current estimates put a FULL investigation around the region of 5 to 6 months.
this includes exploring all possible theroys and fragment reteval.
if like in conventional Plane crashes, they would want to try to reconstuct the shuttle from parts they retreve, that way they can get a better picture of the actual stresses and strains that were exerted on Columbia.
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rage, trapped inside a cage,
somebody come and get me,
my heart, the fight,
the right, the wrong,
Back to business, Time to roast Saddam, that bastard is going down. Sheep roast. That bastard in Iraq is probably laughing it up over this accident, i say nuke the bastard.
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Originally posted by theomen
hate to say it, but this event isn\'t really deserving of 24hour news coverage on all networks. True, some very intelligent people died in the voyage of human enlightenment, but like Sammy said, People die every year. Cops are shot in the line of duty, military personel is killed, and inoccent bystanderds are murder all the time.
I can see showing a special segment on this event on news shows, but we all will be subjected to constant bombardment by the media for the next week, focusing on the space shuttle.
Personally I feel worse for those who are killed by suicide bombers, because at least the shuttle crew knew they were doing something dangerous and chose to do it.
Nonetheless, I feel bad for those involved in this, but I just get pissed at the news networks trying to cash in on this. If I didn\'t know better, I would blame them for causing it just so they have a good story.
well, people are hardening themselves to the tragedies of this world. violent entertainment etc hardens people. I\'ve been harden a little too.
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yeah, if people would have thought we\'d be in in the current position we are in right now (Iraq, terrorist, Korea, etc..), I\'m willing to bet most people would imagine nation wide hysteria. However humans are an adaptable breed, and I guess that\'s the reason we\'ve survided as long as we have thus far.
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If you were to consider all the stresses and strains the Shuttle has to go through a mission (From Launch to landing).. its pretty amazing that most of the Fleet is over 20 years old :eek:
I always thought they replaced them entirely after 5 or 10 years
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I forget how often they overhaul them, but I read that they tear them down to a shell. They also retrofit new tech every so often as well.
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Originally posted by luckee
I forget how often they overhaul them, but I read that they tear them down to a shell. They also retrofit new tech every so often as well.
yeah but the overall design hasn’t changed since the early 80’s.
NASA and other developers were working on other versions of the next Gen shuttle which removes the need for booster rockets and would have the added advantage of handling like a powered plane in the atmosphere.
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yup, but the huge NASA cutbacks prevented that. Lockheed-Martin, I believe was the designers.
Maybe they can get more funding finally.
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I heard on tv that they strip them and overhaul them every 2 years.
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Originally posted by luckee
yup, but the huge NASA cutbacks prevented that. Lockheed-Martin, I believe was the designers.
Maybe they can get more funding finally.
yeah thats the one.
it was going to be nicknamed the penguin due to its flat design and from the documentary about it (it was about a couple of years ago I saw it)
it would have had double the carrying capacity of the shuttle and could take off and land on a normal runway.
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And more importantly, MUCH more structurally sound. The electronics on that thing was AMAZING!
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Sorry to bring this up now, but what will happen to the ISS?
Will the Russians (I dont know if ESA can transport the components into space) take over for a while now?
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does it have a cd player? If so, I\'m impressed.
One thing is for sure, they\'re gonna use this accident as a way of getting a brand new, purdy, state of the art shuttle designed and built.
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Originally posted by fastson
Sorry to bring this up now, but what will happen to the ISS?
Will the Russians (I dont know if ESA can transport the components into space) take over for a while now?
for the time being it looks likt thr Russians will have to use their transports to ferry supplyes upto the ISS.
As for the Crew of the ISS, if anything gets nasty i think there is a esacpe capsule which is already linked to the ISS structure.
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Originally posted by theomen
does it have a cd player? If so, I\'m impressed.
One thing is for sure, they\'re gonna use this accident as a way of getting a brand new, purdy, state of the art shuttle designed and built.
Like I said the shuttle is over 20 years old, that’s older than most of the members here at PSX2Central.
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Originally posted by ooseven
for the time being it looks likt thr Russians will have to use their transports to ferry supplyes upto the ISS.
As for the Crew of the ISS, if anything gets nasty i think there is a esacpe capsule which is already linked to the ISS structure.
Ok thanks!
Damn I wish EU would invest more money into ESA. :(
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I come back to the forums after watching LOTR:TTT and I read my topic was closed..then opened......as long as it is still open I guess I am happy :) Any news about the Explosion while I was gone?????
BTW LOTR:TTT was a Great movie, that was the first time I watched it! One thing I didnt like were the ads they could have had on TV....We are there to see a MOVIE not TV ads!
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OMG, I SAW THE WHOLE THING!!!
I was driving on North Central, It has a clear view of downtown, well I wasn\'t driving my mom was, we just moved. So neways, I didn\'t know that the space shutle was going to go over north texas. But I heard it on the radio, so I move to the back seat to get a clear view of downtown, and there it was the shuttle, well at least a line of smoke with a big ball in front of it, then it just broke, it broke into 3 pieces, I lost sight of it b/c it went behind that big ball for a lil bit, then it came out the other side, and it was still falling apart. Then we went under the bridge and I lost sight of it, then I just heard this loud boom, well not really a boom it sounded more like a door getting slammed, but really hard. We got to my moms work, so i watched the news, then 30 minutes later a bunch of cops came and parked in the field infront of the clinic, and I went out, and they were guarding this tiny lil piece of metal. It\'s so sad!! my first space shuttle that i\'ve seen in real life in the air had to explode. :( :(
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ooseven you are anti American indeed... closing the french thread pfft... ;)
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Originally posted by fastson
Sorry to bring this up now, but what will happen to the ISS?
Will the Russians (I dont know if ESA can transport the components into space) take over for a while now?
The Russians are supposed to be sending a cargo vessel up there next week I believe they said.
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We also have three guys left in the ISS. I think the Russians will bring them down, otherwise, they\'ll have to use the escape capsule on the ISS.
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Originally posted by luckee
I believe in the press conference NASA officials are having now, it was said the shuttle was under control and that didnt lead to the accident.
They were also reporting that the debris that fell off during launch struck the left wing, which is the same wing where the sensors died.
Once again they stress it is wayyy to early to tell though.
They were rolling video of when the piece it the wing. That piece could have caused a small crack. But coming from that cold of space to that much heat, even the most microscopic crack would rip the wing right off. Maybe thats what one of the glowing pieces was, probably the wing coming off. NASA said that the Columbia is like a meteor. When it broke up, there were pieces that were smaller than grains of sand and that they could take days to actually reach the ground. Very interesting.
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yup, debris was reported falling at 8pm in some town in LA.
3 astros.? I thought it was 2.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
ooseven you are anti American indeed... closing the french thread pfft... ;)
If you want to do some French bashing then you will just be out classed.
the Rest of Europe has been doing THAT for years
examples
UK
Spain
Italy
Germany
;)
anyway back on topic
they are now saying that it could be the a fracture in the wing which caused enough weakness for the extreme temp\'s to take a hold and compimise the super structure of the shuttle.
oh and Killa sorry about this thread .. i was trying to close Giga\'s French bashing thread and closed this one by accident
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have some nice pics here.
http://www.caedes.net/Zephir.cgi?lib=Caedes::Infopage&image=columbia_sts1_big.jpg
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I found more info on the crew and it sorta hits close to me .....3 crew members were HAMS (Amateur radio operators) and the pilot was an Eagle scout.
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I saw on the news today that they have started to retrieve body parts.
I find it hard to imagine how much of them are actually left :crap:
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Personally, if I found a piece I wouldn\'t return it. It will be part of history. Call me greedy, but I\'d get a safe and put that baby up forever.
Did anyone watch Bush\'s speech about the shuttle? I didn\'t get to tune into it. I can\'t imagine it was much - but if anyone did watch / listen to it, fill me in , please?
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But LIC, its illegal not to mention toxic and hazardous. And you didn\'t miss much about Bush\'s speech. It was short and sweet. Well, not really sweet but very short.
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Originally posted by fastson
I saw on the news today that they have started to retrieve body parts.
I find it hard to imagine how much of them are actually left :crap:
Last I heard they had found a charred skull and a thigh bone. Pretty horiffic really.:(
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I can only imagine what the husbands and wives are going through right now.
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I know that it is illegal. It\'s federal property. I don\'t care. It\'s history. I\'d have to keep it.
As for the toxic part...I\'d take the risk .
It\'d be an amazing piece of history.
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But if you get caught with it, your screwed like there\'s not tomorrow. Besides, they do need the pieces to find out what happened. I\'d personally give up the piece to NASA and find out whats wrong than be greedy and keep it for myself. If you do what a piece of the shuttle, head to ebay and buy a tile that was taken off a while ago by NASA. That\'s history and its legal.
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I know that it is illegal. It\'s federal property. I don\'t care. It\'s history. I\'d have to keep it.
As for the toxic part...I\'d take the risk .
It\'d be an amazing piece of history.
That is about as bad as the people that some of the stuff on EBay
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The "Toxic" part of the NASA/Government warning is laughable, at that speed, and that high up, 99 percent of the shit either burned, or dissipated in the atmosphere.
The only real danger comes from evil CIA/FBI agents nabbing your ass for having the parts.
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I known really, how could any of the body parts be found? They would have burned before they hit the ground.
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Originally posted by jaik92662
I known really, how could any of the body parts be found? They would have burned before they hit the ground.
They were in protective suits for a while. And possibly alive during the break up. But the wind probably tore them apart and slowed down as it decended as the wind buffeted the body parts around. The metal pieces, though, kept its heat.
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Originally posted by Toxical
The "Toxic" part of the NASA/Government warning is laughable, at that speed, and that high up, 99 percent of the shit either burned, or dissipated in the atmosphere.
The only real danger comes from evil CIA/FBI agents nabbing your ass for having the parts.
people had to go to the hospital after touching the debris
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I agree with LIC.. I\'d take it too regardless. I still have a piece of the Berlin Wall tucked away somewhere upstairs in my spare room. If I could get my hands on some of the rubble left over from 9/11.. I\'d probably snatch it up in a heartbeat. I hate the fact that some people are actually SELLING and making money off of tragedies.. since everyone who want\'s a rememberance of a day that changed their lives/perceptions should be able to get it for free.. there\'s just not enough to go around to do that.
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Originally posted by jaik92662
I known really, how could any of the body parts be found? They would have burned before they hit the ground.
They were in protective suits for a while. And possibly alive during the break up. But the wind probably tore them apart and slowed down as it decended as the wind buffeted the body parts around. The metal pieces, though, kept its heat.-Gman
terminal velocity is a funny thing. you\'ll accelerate up to a certain point, or decelerate down to that point usually (if unpropelled by another force)
up there skirting the atmosphere it might have been going mach 18 with the rest of the shuttle, but as it approached the ground it probably wasn\'t going much more than a couple hundred miles an hour. also that might have been moved (in the pic) from where it originally landed.
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What chaps my ASS is American news coverage... Example we will not show boobs on TV yet we will show 7 people dieing over and over and over and over... and Oh wait heres a leg..over and over and over.. What happened was terrible let us morn dont shove it down out throats and try and tell us how we are suppose to feal!
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To my knowledge, they didnt show any remains and had streesed that. Least thats what FOXnews and CNN were saying.
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They showed body bags...not body parts.
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yes they did show the leg and the helmet of one of the nauts but that was only part of my point how many times did the show the shuttle blowing up...? that was the death of 7 people
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That wasnt all that graphic, plus there wasnt great detail. And helmet? For petes sake some ppl are sensitive.
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And an empty helmet, to be more specific. I believe there are several spare helmets in the Shuttle just in case.
Now, if there was someone\'s face staring back from that smoldering helmet, then yeah, I\'d be a bit creeped out.
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yaaa Im so sensitive.... They did the same thing 9-11 and worse over and over and over let me tell you if they could have had pics of the nauts burning to death they would have showed it.. its as bad as all this is it was good for NASA cause everyone will be interrested in it again for a couple of years. And dont tell me what I saw thanks Im 30 years old and a nurse I have seen a couple of legs in the past maybe when they replayed it the leg was in a body bag but while I was watching it the showed the damn leg.
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I didn\'t see the footage of the leg. However, I knew from the body bag that it had to be, considering the length and width of the shape of the body bag, it looked like a leg was inside.
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here is an update:
the temperaure of the area around the hydraulics in the left wing were 30-40 degrees F higher than normal going over California and then over west texas they lost all readings on the left wing and the shuttle tried to fix the drag problem (it is in Auto-pilot on descent) and couldnt and the rest is history. I guess there were abort alarms and they ignored them on takeoff.......
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I don\'t know if I\'m late, but a TV onboard camera captured this image on the left wing 4 days before the accident.
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I see the nose cone has now been found. Also some guy has come forward in San Francisco who apparently has some new photo\'s of the shuttle burning up on re-entry, although he has yet to make them public.
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Originally posted by Adan
I don\'t know if I\'m late, but a TV onboard camera captured this image on the left wing 4 days before the accident.
Can someone point out something here? Is that a crack in the wing?
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Thats what I was thinking giga. I cant imagine how that would be over looked though.
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They Never ever ever show body parts from anything other than war from abroad. They show death abroad, very odd, but true. We weren\'t even allowed to show body bags anymore at one point. Shit I would sit around a crime scene for hours just waiting on them pulling the body out for that shot.
I\'ve only seen the body bag shot. I haven\'t seen any arms or legs exposed, but that doesn\'t mean anything because after the first day I really ahven\'t watched much. A little blurb here and there. It\'s all so freaking redundant that it gets old and desensitizes you.
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Originally posted by videoholic
I haven\'t seen any arms or legs exposed
I don\'t think that\'s necessary video to figure out the tragedy.
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Originally posted by Adan
I don\'t know if I\'m late, but a TV onboard camera captured this image on the left wing 4 days before the accident.
I would assume that is fake. The astronauts would have seen that and grounded the shuttle. Even if they did notice a crack or something, the Columbia would never had made it back to earth. They would send another shuttle up to retrieve the astronauts or have the Russians bring them back. Then they would either A) nudge it into the earths atmosphere like MIR and Skylab and have it burn or B) release it into space forever. Assumptions made by historical happenings ofcoarse.
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Originally posted by Titan
I would assume that is fake. The astronauts would have seen that and grounded the shuttle. Even if they did notice a crack or something, the Columbia would never had made it back to earth. They would send another shuttle up to retrieve the astronauts or have the Russians bring them back. Then they would either A) nudge it into the earths atmosphere like MIR and Skylab and have it burn or B) release it into space forever. Assumptions made by historical happenings ofcoarse.
1) How can you ground a shuttle that is already in orbit?
2) Send another shuttle up to retrieve them? They wouldn\'t be able to orbit long enough to wait for another shuttle to get up there.
3) How could the Russians bring them back?
Don\'t forget, this is an UNDOCKABLE ship. This is the only one of the 4 that can NOT go to the space station. These people had no chance.
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Originally posted by Adan
I don\'t think that\'s necessary video to figure out the tragedy.
I know. I was just replying to Cyrus who said he saw a body part.
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Originally posted by videoholic
1) How can you ground a shuttle that is already in orbit?
2) Send another shuttle up to retrieve them? They wouldn\'t be able to orbit long enough to wait for another shuttle to get up there.
3) How could the Russians bring them back?
Don\'t forget, this is an UNDOCKABLE ship. This is the only one of the 4 that can NOT go to the space station. These people had no chance.
I see. I didn\'t know it was undockable. I was saying the RUssians can bring them back because they go to the ISS often. They could send a ship to bring them home. But your right. They were doomed from the beginning.
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New evidence suggest\'s the wing was seriously damaged, here is an article I found on shortnews.
New photos show shuttle Columbia\'s left wing was seriously damaged
A ground based US Air Force tracking camera captured high resolution images of space shuttle Columbia as it flew overhead, about 60 seconds before contact was lost.
The images have not yet been released but are reported to show a jagged edge where the left wing intersects with the fuselage. The photos also show the right, aft yaw thrusters firing to compensate for the incorrect attitude of the shuttle.
The photos suggest a crack could have formed on the left wing, allowing reentry heat to enter the craft and damage vital systems. Part of the left wing leading edge may also have been damaged or fallen off.
It would be interesting to see this pics if they ever decided to make them public.
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I doubt that they will be made public, but if they are, then when the heat dies down and people kind of forget about it.