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Title: To Tony Blair : when i said i wanted evidence, i want it to be REAL
Post by: ooseven on February 06, 2003, 11:24:43 AM

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Downing St dossier plagiarised    
Iraq  
 
Published: 6 February 2003
Reporter: Julian Rush

The government\'s carefully co-ordinated propaganda offensive took an embarrassing hit tonight after Downing Street was accused of plagiarism.

The target is an intelligence dossier released on Monday and heralded by none other than Colin Powell at the UN yesterday.


Channel Four News has learnt that the bulk of the nineteen page document was copied from three different articles - one written by a graduate student.

On Monday, the day before the US Secretary of State, Colin Powell addressed the UN, Downing Street published its latest paper on Iraq.

It gives the impression of being an up to the minute intelligence-based analysis - and Mr Powell was fulsome in his praise.

Published on the Number 10 web site, called "Iraq - Its Infrastructure of Concealement Deception and Intimidation", it outlines the structure of Saddam\'s intelligence organisations.

But it made familiar reading to Cambridge academic Glen Ranwala. It was Copied from an article last September in a small journal: the Middle East Review of International Affairs.

It\'s author, Ibrahim al-Marashi, a postgraduate student from Monterey in California. Large sections do indeed appear, verbatim.

A section, for example, six paragraphs long, on Saddam\'s Special Security Organisation, the exact same words are in the Californian student\'s paper.

In several places Downing Street edits the originals to make more sinister reading.

Number 10 says the Mukhabarat - the main intelligence agency - is "spying on foreign embassies in Iraq". The original reads: "monitoring foreign embassies in Iraq."

And the provocative role of "supporting terrorist organisations in hostile regimes" has a weaker, political context in the original: "aiding opposition groups in hostile regimes."

Even typographic mistakes in the original articles are repeated.

Of military intelligence, al-Marashi writes in his original paper: "The head of military intelligence generally did not have to be a relative of Saddam\'s immediate family, nor a Tikriti. Saddam appointed, Sabir Abd Al-Aziz Al-Duri as head..." Note the comma after appointed.

Downing Street paraphrases the first sentence: the second is cut and pasted, complete with the same grammatical error.

plagiarism is intellectual theft.

:laughing: and there was me thinking that plagiarism  was something that Undergraduate students did when they were lazy or had to hand something in beyond a dead line.

Linkage (http://www.channel4.com/news/home/z/stories/20030206/dossier.html)

Title: To Tony Blair : when i said i wanted evidence, i want it to be REAL
Post by: videoholic on February 06, 2003, 11:56:04 AM

The first couple could have easily been coincidences, but the comma one where they put the comma after "Appointed" is a little odd.

Title: To Tony Blair : when i said i wanted evidence, i want it to be REAL
Post by: ooseven on February 06, 2003, 12:01:57 PM

yup plus they have found the actual source material.

an undergraduate report / paper on Iraq in 1990
an article from Jane’s defence
and an article from a small medial journal database.

And in all case the government did not ask to use or adapt results and findings.


All they did was just cut and past on old material.

Title: To Tony Blair : when i said i wanted evidence, i want it to be REAL
Post by: fastson on February 08, 2003, 08:04:45 PM

Ouch..

Blair = owned..

More: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030207/wl_nm/iraq_britain_dossier_dc_1

:laughing:

Title: To Tony Blair : when i said i wanted evidence, i want it to be REAL
Post by: SirMystiq on February 08, 2003, 08:30:06 PM

More reasons why the evidence that was presented is no good. Has Powell said anything about this?

Title: To Tony Blair : when i said i wanted evidence, i want it to be REAL
Post by: ooseven on February 09, 2003, 02:03:22 AM

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Originally posted by SirMystiq
More reasons why the evidence that was presented is no good. Has Powell said anything about this?

he Congratulated Jack Straw and Tony Blair for the “excellent” report when he made his PowerPoint o death last week

Title: To Tony Blair : when i said i wanted evidence, i want it to be REAL
Post by: Mr. Kennedy on February 09, 2003, 06:05:41 AM

and the struggle continues... sigh...

Title: To Tony Blair : when i said i wanted evidence, i want it to be REAL
Post by: M4 on February 09, 2003, 09:08:31 PM

Just because it was plagiarized doesn\'t mean it isn\'t real.

Title: To Tony Blair : when i said i wanted evidence, i want it to be REAL
Post by: GigaShadow on February 10, 2003, 05:54:44 AM

Some of you are really grasping at reasons to find fault in going to war with Iraq... as the above person stated, even if it is copied from somewhere else, does not me it isn\'t true.  sheesh...

Title: To Tony Blair : when i said i wanted evidence, i want it to be REAL
Post by: Green Meanie on February 10, 2003, 08:13:53 AM

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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Some of you are really grasping at reasons to find fault in going to war with Iraq... as the above person stated, even if it is copied from somewhere else, does not me it isn\'t true.  sheesh...

So where\'s the smoking gun?

The way they\'re going at the moment they probably won\'t even find a full weight replica bb gun made by K&W in China.

But they won\'t let a little thing like lack of decent evidence get in the way of a good war!

Title: To Tony Blair : when i said i wanted evidence, i want it to be REAL
Post by: Ace on February 10, 2003, 08:27:10 AM

We\'re going to war if Saddam does not disarm.

Ace

Title: To Tony Blair : when i said i wanted evidence, i want it to be REAL
Post by: ooseven on February 10, 2003, 08:30:29 AM

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Originally posted by Ace
We\'re going to war if Saddam does not disarm.

Ace

looks like nothing will stop the ball roll\'n

they said in the news that US Specialforces were On mock capital storming exercises within a vast pre-build Mock-up of a City Scrape :eek:

They said it was built within a couple of weeks :eek:

Can you imagine the amount of man power it took to build the practice grounds :eek:

Title: To Tony Blair : when i said i wanted evidence, i want it to be REAL
Post by: Ace on February 10, 2003, 09:01:05 AM

I think, and hope this will be a quick war.

Ace

Title: To Tony Blair : when i said i wanted evidence, i want it to be REAL
Post by: Green Meanie on February 10, 2003, 09:42:36 AM

They\'ll get squashed in about two weeks of air strikes.

The funny thing is that until recently there were only 14 RAF Tornados in the area, they could probably hold Iraq to ransom on their own without the hundreds of others.

Title: To Tony Blair : when i said i wanted evidence, i want it to be REAL
Post by: fastson on February 10, 2003, 10:43:25 AM

Just bomb them with pork.. They will surrender instantly ;)

j/k