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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: §ôµÏG®ïñD on February 11, 2003, 11:40:51 PM
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AMD 3GIG CPU
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AMD introduced the AMD Athlon XP processor 3000+. The chip will be based on the Barton core and will therefore feature increased cache memory, 512 kb, and support for AMD\'s 333MHz bus. According to AMD the Athlon XP processor 3000+ outperforms competing desktop PC processors by up to 17 per cent on a variety of industry standard software benchmarks.
Systems based on the AMD Athlon XP processor 3000+ are immediately available from NEC-CI in Europe and soon from other computer manufacturers around the globe.
The XP 3000+ features 640KB of total on-chip cache memory – an increase of nearly 70 per cent over previous AMD Athlon XP processors and the highest amount of on-chip cache memory of any desktop PC processor. Increased cache memory allows more information to be stored closer to the processor, leading to greater performance on software applications such as digital content creation, 3-D gaming, media encoding and office productivity.
This new chip together with an XP 2800+, based on the Barton core and an XP 3200+, expected mid-2003, will carry the AMD high-end flag until September when the much delayed ClawHammer is expected to make its first appearance.
The timing of the release of the chips based on the new core is significant since AMD are in the middle of a push to keep their prices steady in order to secure some revenue. The appearance of upmarket chips will attempt to introduce pricey but irresistable processors in order to attract orders. The new XP 3000+ chip will sell for USD 588, nearly 200 more than the Athlon XP 2800+. The new Barton based 2800+ will sell for USD 375, while the remainder of the range is expected to resist price changes.
Considering that AMD claim their new chip outperforms P4 3.06 GHz by 17 per cent, in some tests, it is easy to see that the company have pinned their hopes on the new chip and the new core. Their mission is to hold the fort until the Athlon 64 (ClawHammer) arrives.
All this when Intel is feverishly working on new Pentium 4 chips, including a new 3.2GHz processor that will carry an 800MHz bus. The company is also expected to surround the new 3.2GHz chip with a new line of redesigned 2.4GHz to 2.8GHz P4\'s which will include hyperthreading and use the 800MHz bus. This brand new P4 range of chips, based on the new chipset, are expected in Q2 of this year.
Consumers should be aware that PC performance is more than just processor frequency alone, said Kevin Krewell, senior analyst of The Microprocessor Report. Today\'s PC processors can deliver higher performance through architectural enhancements such as increased cache memory and faster bus speeds. The overall performance of a system is what\'s important, and that\'s what buyers should focus on when making a purchasing decision.
Industry support for the AMD Athlon XP processor 3000+
Packard Bell, the consumer brand of NEC Computers International and one of Europe\'s home PC leaders, is happy to broaden its product line-up with the AMD Athlon XP processor 3000+ in order to offer a full range of solutions to its customers, said Aymar de Lencquesaing, vice president, sales and marketing, consumer division, NEC Computers International.
ATI is committed to pushing the leading edge of graphics technology and creating the ultimate visual experience, said Rick Bergman, senior vice president, marketing and general manager, Desktop, ATI Technologies Inc. With the introduction of the AMD Athlon XP processor 3000+, with more on-chip cache, AMD is demonstrating its dedication to the same goal. The RADEON 9700 PRO, the world’s first and most advanced cinematic VPU, in combination with the AMD Athlon XP processor 3000+, unleashes an unbelievably realistic and immersive gaming experience.
The high-performance AMD Athlon XP processor 3000+ combined with our consumer-friendly software will help home users produce professional-level photos and videos that amaze their friends and family, said Mike Mickes, director of product management, Ulead Systems, North America. With software such as our Ulead PhotoImpact and upcoming VideoStudio 7, consumers can have an enjoyable editing experience made faster and more productive by improved processor performance.
http://www.megagames.com/news/html/hardware/amdunleashesbartonxp3000.shtml
Geforce FX scraped maybe?
The latest story on the GeForce FX is that nVidia plans to scrap it altogether and focus on the NV-35. According to the same stories only 100,000 GFX units will see the light of day and those are expected to disappear by May. The next cards should surface sometime in June.
nVidia have not yet commented on these stories so they are far from being official. If the discontinuation of the GFX becomes a reality, it may be the sign that ATI\'s pressure is finally getting to nVidia. Dropping GFX and focusing on the NV-35 is a real indication that the company will try to reclaim the fastest card throne, by a clear margin, since GFX was shown to be only marginally faster than ATI\'s Radeon 9700 Pro. As one user commented on the x-3DFX board If a chip which is working at 500 Mhz barely beats another chip working at only 325 Mhz, there must be something wrong with this chip.
What is certain is that if this story is officially confirmed, nVidia will stand to lose a great deal of money and quite a bit of prestige. The birth of GFX has been continually plagued by problems and delays, this may be the final blow.
Things however, may not be as tragic for nVidia as the news may suggest. Granted, ATI will increase their time advantage by the, more than likely, shortage of nVidia high-end boards. A good replacement card by nVidia however, one that would hand them back the fastest chip throne, would do lots to reinstate the company as the graphics leader. NV-31 is expected to launch at CeBit in Germany, this March while NV-34 and NV-35 will probably appear in June. NV-31 GeForce FX MX and NV-34 GeForce FX Go, both NV-30 based boards, will still appear and will attempt to do battle with ATI\'s mainstream offerings while NV-35 will be the flagship chip which will fight for the throne.
http://www.megagames.com/news/html/hardware/nvidiamayscrapgfx.shtml
I\'m planning on getting a 2.8gig Cpu myself. As for the GF FX issue.. Shame really, they would\'ve brought down Radeon9700pro prices, but I doubt they will scrap it. If they do I’ll be surprised.
I\'m disappointed in nvidia, building so much hype around a card that has twice the mhz rate then the radeon card, gets hotter and louder, yet still just barely out performs it. Hope Nvidia can bring hope back into there fanbase. ATI are looking mighty good right now.
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If AMD names their next chip Palladium I will kick them in the nuts.
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/me opens the closet door
cyrix , meet AMD
AMD, meet cyrix
you two will make great friends
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/\\/\\/\\ = Ignorance is bliss.
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you would be the resident expert in this area
AMD will reach its plateau very soon, just like m$
if you had more than 2-3 years experience in the industry, you might have a clue
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umm yea... AMD have been around abit longer then Cyrix. Yet seem to be going strong, why is that i wonder?
Amd will continue to compete with intel wiether u like it or not, amd are here to stay. They may creep above or may lag behind intel, either way it doesn\'t matter. They still have a user base and still have support. They’re not going to reach there plateau soon. Just like Intel they will improve.
But you\'re the know all of everything, just like the 3dfx saga you crapped on about... whatever happened to 3dfx btw, oh that\'s right Nvidia ownz them, seems you were full of S@#t in that area too :)
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soully, as usual you have little to no knowledge of what you speak about
oh, and show me a glide app that ran better on anythiing side from a 3dfx chip
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back up anything u say.. won\'t happen.
as for 3dfx.. I agree 3dfx ran glide way better then anything else. Doesn\'t make up for the fact that they are NO LONGER. 3dfx is dead. Shame really, Nvidia could have made 3dfx/geforce hybrids. They would have rocked. Geforce chipset for D3d, 3dfx for Glide/opengl.
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i dun have to back up anything i say
you speak with useless information, loose speculation, and flat out drivel
a hybrid is a pipe dream, but certainly not in ATI\'s realm of thought
i\'ll see you saying the same thing about ATI when they are back in the closet
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You two done fighting yet?
Anyway, last I heard nVidia is scrapping the FX Ultra, but the regular FX will still be available.
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Originally posted by mm
i dun have to back up anything i say
you speak with useless information, loose speculation, and flat out drivel
a hybrid is a pipe dream, but certainly not in ATI\'s realm of thought
i\'ll see you saying the same thing about ATI when they are back in the closet
mm,
You have no proof what so ever of AMD soon to be reaching there plateau. yet you say i speak in "loose speculation" that\'s all you\'ve done.. High hopes and pure speculation. You have no facts. You THINK Amd are close to there plateau... that\'s hardly facts. It’s opinion...
show me facts.
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show me facts that they havent
it easy to hide behind words
anyways, look at AMD\'s new toy, the 3000+. it runs 2.17GHz - exactly the same clock speed as its 2700+ sibling. :rolleyes:
what did they do? gimmicks
increase the cache memory? lol
and have u seen the price?
/me hears a toilet flush
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there\'s been a lot of toliet flushing going on, that might explain it.
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Originally posted by mm
show me facts that they havent
it easy to hide behind words
anyways, look at AMD\'s new toy, the 3000+. it runs 2.17GHz - exactly the same clock speed as its 2700+ sibling. :rolleyes:
what did they do? gimmicks
increase the cache memory? lol
and have u seen the price?
/me hears a toilet flush
price is hefty.. just like any new p4...
I agree that the 3gig cpu is pretty stupid for it\'s name.. Should really be a 2700 gig with more cache. That\'s why i\'m getting the 2.8ghz Thoroughbred. Atleast lives up to it\'s name...
but simple fact is, you haven\'t showed any proof that amd are reaching there plateu... you think they\'re going the cyrix way. but I haven\'t seen facts proving that. You\'re hiding behind words.. not me, i want facts. You have none... simple. They\'re gonna bring out the so called Athlon 64 cpu. That seems like they are developing new things to me.
when and if it they reach a plateu. (which i think is arrogant to think so).. I\'ll believe it. right now its just pure speculation.
Intel will forever lead the cpu race. but amd won\'t just die away...
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2.8ghz Thoroughbred? You mean the 2800+? You do know the 2800+ is only 2.2ghz, right?
Even so it holds its own against the fastest P4\'s out there.
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souly, yer like a little brother with a tiny bit of knowledge and something to prove to the world
price is hefty? 6 months ago u were on AMD\'s penis cause they were SO much cheaper then intel
amd\'s market share shrinks for a reason. its pathetic you dont see this
define "holds it own", SS
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Can compete with it in benchmarks. Also, you can\'t dismiss the fact that the 2800+, although not as fast as the fastest P4\'s, also costs several hundred dollars cheaper.
Really, theres no reason to get a 2800+, just get a 2400+ and overclock it to 2800+ speeds (can easily be done). I\'ve gotten my 2400+ up to 177fsb x 13.5 (with the voltage maxed out), totaling about 2400mhz, but my PSU is f*cked up and it doesn\'t cold boot when I raise the voltage.
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keep that chip at that temp, and nothing is gonna boot
yer sitting on a bomb there
what do you think the "plateau" i mention is?
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Originally posted by Solid Snake 88
2.8ghz Thoroughbred? You mean the 2800+? You do know the 2800+ is only 2.2ghz, right?
Even so it holds its own against the fastest P4\'s out there.
2.8ghz = 2250 x 13.5 x 166x2 fsb.. I know this.
Thoroughbred is the core.
mm, You\'re like a big brother, arrogant, Mr. Know it all..
Intel do better mainly because they have there grip around everything. It\'s simply because Intel hold more business mainstream. Computer packages are mainly Intel based. I sell them. We get more people that custom build pcs asking for AMD cpus then Intel.. if you ever work in a computer store, you\'ll learn this. Why spend more on something that have very little difference in performance either way. Only thing letting AMD down is shitty marketing. Intel market there cpus well.
AMD processors are still cheaper then intel.
AMDs 2.8gig cpu = 742 Aud
Intels 2.8gig cpu = 807 Aud
Amds 3gig cpu = 1147 Aud
Intels 3gig cpu = 1266 Aud
Any new cpu is hefty. Anyone thinking new cpus will be cheap is a moron. Like I said, I get what i can at the time. AMDs 2.8gig cpu performs on par with p4s 2.8. I\'d save myself the 50 bucks for something else and still have a cpu that performs as good as a intel equivalent. Why the hell would i bother to buy a new mb to suit a new intel processor when i can easily update my AMD cpu.
Still waiting for you to prove amd are going to hit there plateau soon, that\'s what this is about. Not what\'s better or worse.
Simply prove it.
ps my cpu is sitting at 39c right now.. 1.8ghz cpu. Not overclocked using a old core. My cpu hasn\'t fryed yet. I\'ve had my machine running without the sink just for a test. It didn\'t burn out. The machine simply didn\'t boot. Put the sink back on. Wella, running now. The new cores don\'t get as hot.
The heat problem amd once had is no longer a issue.. Catch up with the times man. The thermal threashold for the new cpus is 120c. They won\'t get that high anyway before the computers shut themselfs off.
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Why the hell would i bother to buy a new mb to suit a new intel processor when i can easily update my AMD cpu.
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one word, stabililty
seriously bro, im beginning to doubt the education system in oz,
read the above posts
NO LONG AN ISSUE?!
jebus, you really dont have a clue, do you?
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my system is perfectly stable. Doesn\'t crash or anything. Haven\'t had any problems. Read my post man.. Heat is no longer a issue.
mm, it\'s not a issue when systems don\'t allow cpus to fry. Simple fact u haven\'t managed to learn this.
They may get unstable and very high heat.. 70c and over etc.. but i haven\'t meet anyone with a amd cpu running that hot. I bet you haven\'t either. Hottest i\'ve seen is 60c here in summer in 40c days or when someone has removed the sink and the machine doesn\'t boot ;)
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cat fight, right there.
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he loves me... ;) calls me he\'s little brother and all. :D
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im done with it souly
to say AMD\'s have no heat issues is COMPLETELY absurb, idiotic, and flat out ignorant
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How’s it a issue?
please explain.
They no longer fry, they get unstable at high heat the same as intel, normally from people removing a sink or not installing the sink right. (I\'ve seen both amd and Intel users install sinks with no thermal gel) or not plugging in the sink fan etc. Amd based system shut off from high temps, Intel’s slow down, both are unstable imo. I\'ve overclocked my cpu to a 2 ghz with the stock sink without any problems. I plan on buying a SLK800 sink with thermaltakes smart2 fan and coolmod add-on. Then I’ll overclock it heaps :D till i get a 2.8 that is.
Prove to me what heat issues they have with there processors. Don\'t give me this "you\'re uneducated" or "if you don\'t know i\'m not telling you" crap. Post facts.
You know what mm the difference between me and you. I have experience working with AMD processors... i bet you have little to none. Just what u want to read on paper.
You say I’m uneducated. Yet you\'re replies have been without any fact and basic. Normally directed towards me in some way or another. Very common thing in people, when they can\'t debate because they have nothing to debate with... In simple terms, you don\'t have facts so resort into attacking me directly. Were you the school bully?
Facts only please.
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No heat problems here 1.2 T-bird.
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Actually mm, it didn\'t overheat at all. The Thoroughbreds aren\'t nearly as prone to overheating as the old Tbirds were. At 177x13.5 my CPU runs lower than 100 degrees farenheit/40 celcius. My problems are PSU related, I know this because even if I don\'t overclock at all but I raise the voltage it won\'t cold boot.
You haven\'t used an AMD chip in awhile have you? Tbreds are miles ahead of the original Athlons.
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No heat nor unstable-ness problems here either (AMD XP 1900+)..
I\'ve never seen it go over 50 degrees (Celcius, the one and only!), even after hours of playing Unreal II or Battlefield 1942.
The only thing that can overheat is my Graphics card.. But Im getting a new fan for that one (cheap ass Innovision).
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like i said, im done with it
i didnt even care to read the last responses
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It\'s ok to be wrong.. atleast have the guts to admit it. ;)
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mm got 0wned ;)
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hi sammy :)
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owned?
i got several people who cant afford a real CPU ganging up on me with tainted opinions
/me shrugs
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Haha, have a cookie. :)
Actually I didn\'t read it. Internet soaps bore me.
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hmmm, cookie
/me eats a oatmeal cookie
i guess AMD isnt so bad (even though they have one foot in the closet already)
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Tainted?!?!.... these people have experience with amd... unlike you mm. Are you related to a brickwall and have a gf named denial by any chance?
mm mode on.
Intel is going to reach their plateau soon. Even though i have no proof to prove it either way. They are....
mm mode off.
gotta love em soaps.
ps.. wtf is a real processor?
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getting paid minimum wage as a tech hardly qualifies you to say you have "experience"
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sure it does... even a tech getting payed nothing can say they have "expereince"... I mean, its expereince!# they can\'t say they have money, but they\'ve been in the trenches.
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err ok mm, whatever u say... :rolleyes:
I don\'t have enough fingers and toes to count the amount of Amd and Intel machines i\'ve built.. If i don\'t have experience.. Then you sure surely don\'t..
ps... the amount one gets paid for a job doesn\'t change there experience.
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prolly make a difference with their grammar skills tho, cuz if they had extra money, they\'d be able to afford lessons that teach them the difference between there and their. :)
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their will be none of that here or your gonna be in trouble Awy!
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My TB 1.2 has been wonderful and I am looking to move up to the XP 2200 or 2400. Heating problems? Give me more info on this. I still think AMD rules. So does Nvidia.:D
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LOL this is too funny, I have worked with countless AMD and Intel chips, and if there is one thing I can add here is that AMD CPU are excellent for the price, and Intel is Overpriced. As it stands right now Intel seems to have the upperhand, but remember 2 years ago AMD was rocking, while the peice of shit overpriced(let\'s change our mother board)P4 was stuck with the overprced Rambus, when AMD had the DDR. Plus AMD CPU are much more fun to overclock than Intels.. I have faith in AMD that they will strike back, when? That I don\'t know but I prefer them over Intel, even though currently I am using a P4 3.0ghz(got it for 30% off) overclocked to 4.2Ghz with a Vapochill system.
PS: I must say I really like how Intel has protected the core, I feel AMD should do the same.
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The Athlon 64s and Opterons will have a heat spreader just like the P4s.
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Bah. Like I care about proper grammar, it\'s a board and not English class. If I cared about grammar, I wouldn\'t use acronyms like someone I know. ;)
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acronym\'s?
you REALLY dont know, errr care about grammar, ehhe
and i never understood how people say pentium\'s are "overpriced"
food at a restaraunt can be overpriced
clothing can be overpriced
technology is expensive for a reason
you get what you pay for
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Ah gezz, who friggin cares.
Anyway, you seem not to care either mm. Grammar includes punctuation, like the full stop missing in your reply. As well as the \' missing in your don\'t, also with you starting a sentence with a lower cap y blah blah blah.
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haha, yer mad cause u didnt know
here\'s an acronym
STFU
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ahh man you love yourself. I was referring to avvy\'s reply
let me make he\'s acronyms in bold for u.
prolly make a difference with their grammar skills tho, cuz if they had extra money, they\'d be able to afford lessons that teach them the difference between there and their
mm, you\'re not that special, that i refer to u every time.
ps, example of overpriced is intels p4 2.8 gig cpu. AMD 2800+ performs on par if not better and is cheaper.
Still waiting for you to show me the heat problem amd processors have, also the plateau amd are meant to reach, and prove me wrong that Intel are not going to reach their\'s soon too ;)
Also thought you weren\'t going to reply anymore hmm..
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those arent acronyms you fool
they are slang
go look up what a acronym is
/me shakes his head in complete disgust
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/me laughs and points at mm.
:laughing: :laughing: You\'re a complete moron. They are acronym..
example
prolly =
http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?p=dict&String=exact&Acronym=PROLLY
cuz = http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?p=dict&String=exact&Acronym=CUZ
Only one i was wrong about is tho
Looked em up.. Did you? guess not...
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ac·ro·nym ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kr-nm)
n.
A word formed from the initial letters of a name, such as WAC for Women\'s Army Corps, or by combining initial letters or parts of a series of words, such as radar for radio detecting and ranging.
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[acr(o)- + -onym.]
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acro·nymic or a·crony·mous (-krn-ms) adj.
would g\'day be an acronym?
lol (<-- acronym)
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That\'s nice mm.... :)
maybe you\'re right. I\'m prolly wrong.
but you know what. Atleast i have the balls to say i am.
hmmmm
acronym
An identifier formed from some of the letters (often
the initials) of a phrase and used as an abbreviation
am i right or are you wrong...
wait for mm\'s reply.. Next on this funny thread. ;)
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"acronym
An identifier formed from some of the letters (often
the initials) of a phrase and used as an abbreviation"
yes, thats what ive been saying all along
anyways, i still like ya
not many people anymore stick up to me
:)
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(often the initials)
doesn\'t mean always. Which means i could still be right. Unless that website have been misleading lots of people.
cuz is a abbreviation of because. hense it still may fall under the acronym meaning. As far as i knew acronyms are also abbreviations of words, syd = sydney, cuz = because etc...
still waiting on the facts for the amd heat issue, the plateau and whatever else is being debated about
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You wuv me.. don\'t lie.
i\'m like your little brother remember.
do u have a little brother?
i have a brother around the same age as you (as u probably already know) we fight quite a bit too. ;)
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technology is expensive for a reason
you get what you pay for
Not in the case of the P4\'s. The AMD\'s were faster, and costed less than the P4\'s. So where was the logic in buying the P4 when Intel\'s competitor was offering a better chip at a cheaper price, plus with Intel you were stuck with the overpriced RAMBUS?
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overpriced rambus?
at the time, that overpriced rambus COMPLETELY dominated any DDR out
my logic was stabilty, compatiblity, and temperature
again, if intel is so overpriced, why does it dominate the market without a doubt
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overpriced == compusa
Stupid mofos want $250 for a Gforce4 Ti 4200
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intel = business mainstream (computer packages etc)
amd = custom built pcs, normaly by gamers.
Intel have better marketing too. I personaly wish amd would market there cpus. I\'ve yet to see a ad for AMD processors.
On sites I’ve seen that reviewed the 2800+ amd cpu, it is on par to Intel’s equivalent, even beating it in some benchmarks and vice visa.. So it would be stupid for me to buy a new p4 motherboard to support a (Intel) cpu that\'s on par with a processor (amd) I can get right now without having to change any other hardware.
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intel dominates business AND the home sector
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like i said, computer packages are the man thing these days.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
back up anything u say.. won\'t happen.
as for 3dfx.. I agree 3dfx ran glide way better then anything else. Doesn\'t make up for the fact that they are NO LONGER. 3dfx is dead. Shame really, Nvidia could have made 3dfx/geforce hybrids. They would have rocked. Geforce chipset for D3d, 3dfx for Glide/opengl.
Err...just to add, Geforce FX IS the first 3dfx/Nvidia technology hybrid if I\'m not wrong. It uses some of the technology to be implemented in 3DFX last foray codenamed "Mojo" which never sees the light of day.
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really?
never seen any info on this... link would be good. :)
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A link (http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/S&V/nv30_preview(3).shtml)
The reason they\'re changing from NV30 to FX, in fact, is mojo... about 2/3rds down the article.
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and the fact the Geforce FX isn\'t performing so much better than a radeon 9700 Pro perhaps suggested Nvidia should have stick with their own technology in the first place?? The Geforce FX was also massively delayed causing it to missed a product cycle...
Seems like anything 3DFX spells DELAY...hee-hee.
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As for the Intel vs AMD thingy,
my opinion is AMD has been doing fine previously until end of last year. The Barton 3000+ has been shown to be inferior to a P4 3Ghz in almost every test. I guess the limit of elegance vs raw speed have been met. The fact is they\'ve delayed the Athlon 64 which is bad coz once you miss a product cycle, you could very well go down under.
Still for anything below Athlon XP 2100+ is still worth buying IMO due to the price/performance factor. However, those looking for higher speed than that should stick to Intel for stability and superior performance which is at about the same price.
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Stability... only people that don\'t get stability are the ones that can\'t setup a machine correctly. Both amd and Intel based. As for performance, the 2800+ TBred performs on par with the Intel’s equivalent and is cheaper. AMD have only screwed up with the barton cores by labeling the chips higher then they should be.. all the tbreds perfrom on par with there intel equivalent.
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The Barton performs like a 2800+, by mislabeling it at higher speed, it\'s like back to the days of the Pentium ratings..with the PR133 stuff...they can never hope to match those claims. It\'s bad for their reputation. Basically, it\'s conning people.
btw, I currently use an age old Duron and it is NEVER as stable as when I use my trusty old Celeron 400. And don\'t tell me story about setting up. i\'ve tweaked everything, reformatted, and it\'s still gives me the weird hanging on and off. And I don\'t even o/c my CPU! it shouldn\'t take a rocket scientist to install a CPU/MB and if the thing is still unstable after so much work, I don\'t see why the average user wants to meddle with all this hassle, especially corporates...they want plug, play and run their business. Not plug, tweak and PRAY!!! :)
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dood, i\'m talking about Tbreds/bartons being stable.. AMD DID have a stability issue... as you said... AGE OLD. Intel had problems with some cpus too.. The 3000+ barton performs more like a 2700+ really.
I set these machines up. I\'m running one now, i don\'t have any problems what so ever.. just as the other amd users in this thread don\'t. :)
I went through all this crap with mm......
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:laughing:
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