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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Titan on February 20, 2003, 07:40:41 PM
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I learned last year that people believe that we are the only animals that think. I\'ve been waiting to bring this out. So what do you think? Can animals think? Discuss.
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Yes, just not as well as humans...
well some humans...
errr.... at least a few humans...
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Yep, they can.
A few days ago, I was bored like hell. It\'s like when you walk up to a bird eating, it flies away, because it KNOWS that you\'re either going to try to hit it, catch it, rape it, or eat it.
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I study my parakeets and cats for this kind of thing. Its late so I won\'t type my response.
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I always thought that animals ran away from people on instinct, because they don\'t really know what you\'re gonna do to them. It would probably still run away even if you were trying to feed it or something.
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but if they have had previous pleasant experiences with humans, they don\'t run away. However that possibly could be chalked up to a programmed responce.
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Exactly, they have memory, I just doubt that they can truly "think"
Perhaps monkeys can.
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all animals have a response to something done.. that requires thinking!
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I would say they can think, but don\'t have cognative thought.
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ya... it depends what we are considering to be "thought"
I bet when you guys think about that you would diefine it as "talking in your head".
Humans are the only animal that can do that because we are the only animal that has intelligent speech.
Now of course animals cant think to themselves.... "i should get up and go over there".
They want to go, they go. Its called acting on instinct.
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Hmmmmmm....
Intelligent speech huh?
Why is it intelligent, b/c we say it is?
For all we know, barking is a form of language, so is meowing, and all those noises they make. MAYBE, we\'re the dumb ones.
"Look at those humans, killing each other for no reason, they should live in peace and smell each others butts"--Some dog that is just "barking" to another dog.
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Yes. They do think. AND.....They taste real good, too!
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Pigeons have developed some sort of thinking. They no longer fly away from humans, here at least. I could have kicked this one pigeon I was so close.
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Dunno, I guess. They just aren\'t as great thinkers. :nerd:
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They think. My gfs cat comes over once in awhile. Well, one day she brought it over and as soon as we put it down it went straight for the fly wire door, problem was my dad fixed the hole that one of our dogs made, so the cat had nowhere to go. Pretty funny, but that proves that they remember things.
Also one of my dogs thinks when u call him, he\'ll walk to u a few steps, then turns around and takes a few steps, then walks towards u again unsure if he wants to come. He normaly just walks off, snob... The other dog comes straight away..
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i do beleive that animals can think ( and in some cases better than humans)
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weeee! what about dolphins? they say that their brains are almost the same as ours! can they think?! I think they can. (pun intended :D )
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Sure, they can. Not at our levels, but they do.
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I know one thing, my dog is very intelligent and seems to understand certain conversations. I have also seen tv documentaries where experiments have been carried out to test animals intelligence. One test involved an octopuss that learned to unscrew the lid off a glass jar to get at some food.
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Animals react on an instinct and as time goes on, with more interactions with humans they become less skittish. They have a brain and can think as far as their intellect will allow them. They communicate through sound as we do but it is less complex as their lives are less complex. I guess the truth of the matter is that we as humans may never really know what they think. The only people that truly believe that animals can think as humans do are those from PETA. They are one heck of a sad bunch of peeps.
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Koko the monkey can comunicate with sign language!
Yeah.. koko.. that chimps alright.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Koko the monkey can comunicate with sign language!
Yeah.. koko.. that chimps alright.
Yeah, and my dog Chipper could answer to the word sit...
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its not a question of whether animals can think or not
it\'s if they are conscious of themselves
sure, it\'s any being\'s instinct to eat, shit, sleep, but are animals self aware?
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I’d say so, some animals see themselves in the mirror and know exactly that they\'re looking at themselves... others do not.
Personaly, i think anything with a brain has some idea of thought.
http://ar.vegnews.org/self_aware.html <---- Answer.
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Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
Personaly, i think anything with a brain has some idea of thought.
What about Titan?
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Sometimes I think my dog is the most intelligent member of my family. So yes, animals can think.
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That is not saying much for your family man.
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Nope. It\'s just saying a lot for my dog :)
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I believe they can think...
How else would they do what they wanted to do? I mean, its pretty unbelieveable saying their minds are controlled, without them even thinking, a bit one sided i think.
Explain to me how can a dog rescue a drowning person from ice cold water, without thinking?
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How can Vid\'s dog masturbate without thinking?
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^^ Kinda like yourself I suppose :)
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Originally posted by Samwise
^^ Kinda like yourself I suppose :)
Only when I\'m thinking of you.;)
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I believe that some animals may be capable of cognitive thought, like dolphins, primates, and certain other animals. But to say that dogs and such can have intelligent conversations is ridiculous.
I believe these simpler animals act solely on instinct. They indeed have some sort of memory, like, this is food, this person feeds me. Which is a programmed response to the fact that something good happened the last time it was in that situation.
Also I definitely have doubts about that factual nature of the conciousness of animals when it is written by the Animal Rights and Vegetarian Ethics organization. :rolleyes:
BTW, check this (http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/animaltalk.htm) out. Interesting.
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Originally posted by r4nd0m
BTW, check this (http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/animaltalk.htm) out. Interesting.
No, this is iteresting...
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My animal instincs are coming out a bit, sorry!:D
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Hey project that must be a scan huh there is some sort of discoluration all of it?
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mmm.. interesting..
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I\'ve been studying my parakeets on communication. I can conclude that they have a basic language to communicate with eachother. If they weren\'t made to communicate, they would have no need for chirping. Obviously, they are saying something to eachother. I\'ve also noticed from them that when one starts yelling at the other, the other yells back and they begin to bite eachother.
I found that my cat has an interesting system for getting me to give in to letting him sit on my lap when I don\'t want to allow him. It took some time and experimenting but he found out that if he keeps jumping on me and waiting until I don\'t notice him, he jumps. When he keeps jumping on me, he knows that I\'ll get tired of throwing him off and I\'ll give in.
Chimps can think. Some can spell words, recognize themselves in a mirror. They have the intelligence of a three year old child. I find it very interesting. Coco, she can tell what she is feeling and talk to humans with sign language.
My theory is that if it has a brain, it uses the brain to think, to a certain capacity. Flies, they can think. All they can think is where to go, even though they trap themselves and get stuck but that\'s it. Mammals, know where to go, hunting techniques, mate picking, things like that. But humans are animals too and we think. We are the most advanced thinkingwise though so we are superior to other animals.
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of course animals think, but not the way humans do.
well to be more accurate we need to specify what we mean when we say "think". If thinking is to try to solve major social problems by overcoming the instability caused by marginal elements in a consuming society with no other care than self-preservation ignoring the effectiveness of universal association and effort, essential for....but....beyond....(@#%#).............
then animals probably do not think at all !!
If thinking means how to manage to go to a safe place to leave some beautiful excrements or how to fertilize individuals of the same species and stuff like that, then animals may think better than humans :)
ps : i may be drunk now
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Apes can think and have feelings also. I had to do a report on gorillas and there was a gorilla named koko and it new sign language and had a cat and the cat died and in sign language koko said she was sad....poor gorilla :sad:
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Originally posted by Cyrus
Hey project that must be a scan huh there is some sort of discoluration all of it?
Discoloration eh? I guess you could say that but who cares? It’s a whole lot better than some silly topic about thinking animals can think.
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REEF!!!!!!!!
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I\'m gonna save that pic to my hard drive :D
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did i fail to mention i am a dog with a pencil in my teeth. Lol all kidding aside yes animals think, and have cognitive thinking skills. some by trial and error: MY cat ran in to the wall once chasing its glitter stick, hasn\'t done it twice. Cat stepped close to fire. Hasn\'t done it since. So yes animals think. its freakin cold outside
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Your sig is too long. Oh yes, that and you are an idiot.
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yep, they do. Cuz my dog always runs in his sleep(not actually running, but he makes the motion of it), so hes obviously dreaming about something. Plus there has to be a thought process for things they have to figure out.
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Originally posted by Titan
I found that my cat has an interesting system for getting me to give in to letting him sit on my lap when I don\'t want to allow him. It took some time and experimenting but he found out that if he keeps jumping on me and waiting until I don\'t notice him, he jumps. When he keeps jumping on me, he knows that I\'ll get tired of throwing him off and I\'ll give in.
:laughing:
Yeah, that\'s one hell of an intelligent cat. Who would have ever thought that if it wanted to get onto your lap, it\'d keep jumping on there? HOW DID IT FIND OUT THAT THAT WAS YOUR WEAKNESS!?!?! :eek::eek::eek:
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my dog knows where to run to escape me
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
my dog knows where to run to escape me
Lucky dog!:D
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Originally posted by The Hurricane
my dog knows where to run to escape me
Ew.
Btw, in that link, if you read it, the interesting thing I was talking about was that they are developing an underwater videogame for dolphins.
But, great ass is pretty interesting too. :D
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Originally posted by r4nd0m
But, great ass is pretty interesting too. :D
:D
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
Oh yes, that and you are an idiot.
Pot calling the kettle black no?