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Title: Murder or Suicide?
Post by: Rya on February 27, 2003, 04:03:21 PM
Subject: Fwd: Suicide...or Murder? with a Twist

At the 1994 annual awards dinner given for Forensic Science, AAFS president
Dr. Don Harper Mills astounded his audience with the legal complications of
a bizarre death. Here is the story:

On March 23, 1994 the medical examiner viewed the body of Ronald Opus and
concluded that he died from a shotgun wound to the head. Mr. Opus had jumped
from the top of a ten story building intending to commit suicide. He left a
note to that effect indicating his despondency.

As he fell past the ninth floor his life was interrupted by a shotgun blast
passing through a window which killed him instantly. Neither the shooter nor
the decedent was aware that a safety net had been installed just below at
the eighth floor level to protect some building workers and that Ronald Opus
would not have been able to complete his suicide the way he had  planned.

Ordinarily, Dr. Mills continued, a person who sets out to commit suicide
and ultimately succeeds, even though the mechanism might not be what he
intended, is still defined as committing suicide.  That Mr. Opus was shot on
the way to certain death, but probably would not have been successful
because of the safety net, caused the medical examiner to feel that he had a
homicide on his hands.

The room on the ninth floor whence the shotgun blast emanated was occupied
by an elderly man and his wife. They were arguing vigorously and he was
threatening her with a shotgun. The man was so upset that when he pulled the
trigger he completely missed his wife and the pellets went through the
window, striking Mr. Opus.
When one intends to kill subject \'A\' but kills subject \'B\' in the attempt,
one is guilty of the murder of subject \'B\' (under the doctrine of
"transferred intent"). When confronted with the murder charge the old man
and his wife were both adamant. They both said they thought the shotgun was
unloaded.  The old man said it was his long standing habit to threaten his
wife with the unloaded shotgun. He had no intention to murder her.
Therefore, the killing of Mr. Opus appeared to be an accident; that is, the
gun had been accidentally loaded.

The continuing investigation turned up a witness who saw the old couple\'s
son loading the shotgun about six weeks prior to the fatal accident. It
transpired that the old lady had cut off her son\'s financial support and the
son, knowing the propensity of his father to use the shotgun threateningly,
loaded the gun with the expectation that his father would shoot his mother.
Since the loader of the gun was aware of this, he was guilty of the murder
even though he didn\'t actually pull the trigger. The case now becomes one of
murder on the part of the son for the death of Ronald Opus. Now comes the
exquisite twist.

Further investigation revealed that the son was, in fact, Ronald Opus. He
had become increasingly despondent over the failure of his attempt to
engineer his mother\'s murder. This led him to jump off the ten story
building on March 23rd, only to be killed by a shotgun blast passing through
the ninth story window. The son had actually murdered himself, so the
medical examiner closed the case as a suicide.

(A true story from Associated Press, reported by Kurt Westervelt)
Title: Murder or Suicide?
Post by: SER on February 27, 2003, 04:14:46 PM
Did this take place in France? ;)
Title: Murder or Suicide?
Post by: Mr. Kennedy on February 27, 2003, 05:05:19 PM
Sounds french to me too!
Title: Murder or Suicide?
Post by: Silent D on February 27, 2003, 05:15:46 PM
Whoah, trippy.
Title: Murder or Suicide?
Post by: Titan on February 27, 2003, 07:58:38 PM
That is very interesting. And yes, they probably were French ;)
Title: Murder or Suicide?
Post by: (e) on February 27, 2003, 09:00:41 PM
Whats so wrong with french people?

Just because they happen to die alot doesnt mean anything :laughing:

But really; It should be counted as murder. Who the hell in their right mind would be shooting a gun out the window?


Answer: A frenchie :D
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Post by: Kurt Angle on February 28, 2003, 02:33:39 AM
The odds of something like this happening must be billions to one.
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Post by: SER on February 28, 2003, 05:24:16 AM
^

Not if you live in France! :crap:
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Post by: Deadly Hamster on February 28, 2003, 05:27:28 AM
Wow! so he would have hit the net, but he was shot with a shotgun! Now thats irony!
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Post by: ben_high on February 28, 2003, 06:08:42 AM
I call bullshit.Some furter investigating at snoopes.com should reveal the truth.
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Post by: GmanJoe on February 28, 2003, 06:26:33 AM
Fake or not, I finally got the answer to a question posed to me three weeks ago!

"A man is found dead in an alley. There was a pistol next to him. On the deceased, was a suicide letter about his financial losses. The coroner ruled it a homocide. Why?"

Thank you. :D I know why!
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Post by: Samwise on February 28, 2003, 08:49:21 AM
Rya, you must have been watching Magnolia too much. :p
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Post by: CHIZZY on February 28, 2003, 09:06:14 AM
I was just about to say that, sammy!
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Post by: Titan on February 28, 2003, 02:43:13 PM
How many frenchman does it take to defend Paris? Who knows, its never been tried before :)
Title: Murder or Suicide?
Post by: Rya on February 28, 2003, 11:27:20 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Samwise
Rya, you must have been watching Magnolia too much. :p

Never seen Magnolia.  =P

And to all of you who think it\'s French...do the names Opus and Mills sound French to you?  =P  It could be British!  :surprised
Title: Murder or Suicide?
Post by: theomen on February 28, 2003, 11:42:24 PM
in my Criminal Law class we discussed a similar case.  It was a great exercise in transfered intent, indirect responsibility, malice aforthought, etc...
Title: Murder or Suicide?
Post by: Kenshin on March 01, 2003, 12:07:01 AM
is it just me or does this story of a guy killing himself by accident while trying to commit suicide seem absolutely hilarious? hahahahahahhaha :laughing:
Title: Murder or Suicide?
Post by: luckee on March 01, 2003, 02:59:45 AM
This is absolutly great, lol. Do you have a link for this?

*edit* nevermind

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/opus.htm
Title: Murder or Suicide?
Post by: project86 on March 01, 2003, 04:30:02 AM
What do you call 10,000 french men standing with thier arms raised?








The french army...
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Post by: FatalXception on March 01, 2003, 03:34:25 PM
This is actually a much-posted urban legend.  If you try and backtrack the name of the reporter you\'ll get dead ends.

Urban Legends site comment (http://www.urbanlegends.com/death/opus_mutations.html)

Some of the legends are pretty complex these days... I like the scuba ones.