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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: mm on March 21, 2003, 05:40:05 AM
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a few thousand people (most of them universtity students that already suffer from identity crisis) marched thru downtown pittsburgh yesterday afternoon.
apparantly this was a coordinated effort that was planned for the day after the start of the war in numerous cities, from what ive been reading.
funny thing is, they werent satisfied with thier lame slogans and signs, and disrupting traffic, they decided to encite a riot which left hundreds arrested.
i loved it, cops were beating down angry teenagers like hotcakes. they the local news crew interviewed crying teens from jail so they could whine about thier "freedoms" and thier "parents lawyers" that will get them out
:rolleyes:
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Real anti-war protesters don\'t incite violence, the people that do are the same kind of people that turn up at any demo from anti war to anti bypass, they\'re not fighting for a cause they just fight and there will always be a contingent of them.
If there was a pro war demo there\'d still be fights, the same kind of people would tag on to the mass of decent people marching for a real purpose.
Mankind really will be the death of this planet, someone said to me the other day that he wished we all still lived in caves and killed our own food etc. We\'d only fight to the death for the biggest rock instead.
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Yeah a bunch of people from all of the schools around here walked out of class around 3pm and marched around all the campuses chanting. It was a peaceful demonstration.
I was mostly concerned with getting to my physics recitation on time so I wasn\'t able to hear exactly what they were chanting.
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A friend of mine said that people not old enough to vote didn\'t have the right to demonstrate by walking out of lessons. I say it should be the choice of the individual, I know that at the age of 15-16 I wasn\'t stupid, one of the most frustrating things about being young was the fact that people didn\'t even try and take anything I said seriously.
I thinks it\'s great that they\'re being allowed to protest, everyone has to live on this planet.
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but do they even comprehend what they are protesting?
they are just seeking a way to vent thier frustrations and realizations that NOTHING they do or say will change anything
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I\'m sure such sights as a burned out tank, mauled human or blown up building still look like they should through 16 year old eyes.
Although I have become a little bitter and twisted since I got older.
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they look the same
even kids are so desensitized to violence. they could see a bomb go off, and body parts throw in every direction, and you know what they would probably say?
"cool"
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Originally posted by mm
they are just seeking a way to vent thier frustrations and realizations that NOTHING they do or say will change anything
^^^EXACTLY!!
No matter how badly they shut down the San Fran business district or snarl traffic, the war will still go on. I\'m all for letting the government know when you disagree with something; but they are SO misguided. They need to chose their battles and this is a losing one. They have absolutely NO leverage and 90% of the protesters barely know why they are there.
When I was watching the clips of the San Fran protest with the mother and father yelling "Shame! Shame! Shame!" over and over with their little son on his shoulders all I could do was laugh because it was such a bizarre thing and I really didn\'t know how else to react.
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Just because something isn\'t going to change why should people stop saying what they think, it\'s their right. That\'s when you know someone really wants something, when all is lost but they carry on regardless.
People have protested against many of these so-called losing battles only to succeed in the end, if there is a ray of hope then it\'s never over and I commend their dedication.
Take away peoples right to protest and what you have is a dictatorship, the very thing you\'re so opposed to.
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It is good to voice any disagreements that you have with the government. However, these people are taking it to extremes and, in some cases, making fools of themselves. While I do not agree with the war, now that it has begun I will support the troops(some of whom are friends and most of whom are my age and younger).
IMO, A lot of these people will be the same ones spitting on veterans when they get back.
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San Fran takes the cake for moronic protesting. These geniuses decided to have a vomit fest. The vomit on government grounds to prove their unhappiness with the current administration.
There is word that MIT students in their rally were carrying the Iraqi flag. That should disgust just about anybody.
Ace
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protesting in the the streets vs. protesting in a organized hall or arena
which is more barbaric and laughable?
and in the end, more likely to create results?
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the weird thing is that around here their has\'nt been much protesting since the war started. (i would\'ve expected them to be burning flags by now)
edit: i think i spoke to soon, i just heard that their have just been some demonstrations near the U.S embassy.
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Burning a Stars and Stripes actually inside America, only stoopid people would think that was a good idea.
As for the protests being \'barbaric\', Ha Ha Ha.
Turn on the Telly, what\'s happening over there is barbaric, bit of a strong word for people voicing an opinion. Anyway, what\'s the point of protesting in a building, anyone who disagrees will stay out, therefore making it pointless.
Edit: forget the last bit I typed to Ace, I mis-read it, the buggers here at work gave me a desk with lots of sunshine on my screen!
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Originally posted by Green Meanie
Ace - What was the totally disgusting word, can you give a hint? Was the word \'peace\'? Urgh, what a horrid word!
Not a word, it was the actual Iraqi flag they were carrying around. Is that not offensive?
Ace
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I\'ve edited my post to compensate for the mis-reading.
To carry an Iraqi flag is not disgusting, as I said before it\'s just opinion. Will you still be disgusted by Iraq and its flag when Saddam is dead.
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Green Meanie,
No it will not. It is because we are at war now. This is why I find it a foolish thing to do.
Notice I am not saying they do not have the right to do it.
Ace
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The flag is the peoples identity on an international level, it isn\'t purely a symbol of the countries leader. Was it a humanitarian protest, more about the citizens of Iraq rather than lack of reasons for war?
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As for the protests being \'barbaric\', Ha Ha Ha.
whats so funny? what the protesters are doing is like children crying when thier parents wont do what they want
the US (and other countries) taking out a ruthless dictator (murderer) is far from barbaric. its civil. like putting a sick dog to sleep
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Originally posted by Green Meanie
Was it a humanitarian protest, more about the citizens of Iraq rather than lack of reasons for war?
To be honest, I am not sure. I would bet the money in my wallet that it was about oil and GWB. The protests that I have read about or have seen on TV rarely mention Saddam. It\'s all about the blood-lust of GWB.
Ace
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You have to admit, he does seem to want to make his mark in history with a record number of wars in one term as President, you never know, it could be third time unlucky with N Korea after this one\'s been forgotten about before it\'s final conclusion.
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which makes me wonder....
why do the ignorant CNN worshippers solely blame GWB for this war? i guess it easier to point thier collective fingers at one person and cry, than at an entire govt collection
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First off, you can\'t say that the war in Afghanistan as a war that could have been avoided. We had every right to go into that country and root out the ones responsible for 9/11.
Also, so far this war is going very well. Probably one of the most peaceful wars ever. It could change but it looks like GWB is doing everything he can to keep casualties low on both sides.
Ace
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Because the phrase that is perfect for the President is
"The buck stops here"
When it boils down to it he\'s the man.
Unfortunately when he was packing to move to Washington he forgot his brain and the new owners of the house threw it away thinking it was junk.
Edit: And I hate CNN, all the Brits on it are tw@s, I tend to watch channel 4 or BBC News 24.
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it might stop there, but the buck doesnt begin there
congress has to approach him with the war bill, and he has the final say with his signature
i bet you loved him when you got that income tax refund check last year, or did u send it back cause that would be hypocritical to take it?
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The recent wars I agree with are as follows -
Gulf 1 - A country was invaded, that\'s just not cricket.
Kosovo - Now that was a proper mess
Afghanistan - 9/11 was the most horrendous thing I\'ve ever seen and it was certainly justified, I just wish it had been completed fully.
The current war is going to get bloody as soon as ground forces have to walk into an unfriendly city, that\'s what I\'m worried about. At the moment they\'re just slapping him around a bit.
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Originally posted by mm
i bet you loved him when you got that income tax refund check last year, or did u send it back cause that would be hypocritical to take it?
Damn I wish he\'d sent some of that across the pond to us!!
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sorry, like i\'ve said in the past, i dont really look at names when i see repsonses, i just go by avatars and since you dont have one, the screen cut off, and i saw ace\'s location
but since yer from the UK, what do you have to complain about?
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Originally posted by mm
but since yer from the UK, what do you have to complain about?
The world is but a small orb floating in space, in fact it\'s very small recently and this event is big. It affects everyone either directly through terrorist attacks etc or indirectly through price and tax rises. Plus we have troops out there at the moment too, apparently the Royal Marines have taken Umm Qasr in the south.
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yeah, but you guys were too good for the EURO
what should i think?
:)
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I used the Euro for a couple of weeks when I was backpacking last year, it\'s not too bad if you\'re on the mainland, jumping across borders and using the same currency was cool. It just serves no purpose when we\'re seperated from the rest of Europe by a 30 mile channel and the pound is so strong.
I\'ve always been an avid anti-Europe person, I feel the US is our best friend but I think as a pair Bush and Blair are wrong on this one. The only good thing to come out this war is that the US an UK are still close friends.
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. . . and a brutal dictator will be but a memory.
Ace
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Well, we can only hope he doesn\'t dissappear like Bin Laden, that would cause some pronlems.
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There was a march in my town. I was there. It was fun. Unfortunately though, it was raining so the turnout wasn\'t as great as we had hoped.
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what exactly did u hope for?
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Nothing. It just felt like the right thing to do.
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We\'re expecting a peace march in Ottawa tomorow, by the US embassy.
As for pros/cons of protests, even though I\'m quite right wing with my thinking, I think that the right to a non-violent protest is one of the most important rights in society. Of course you don\'t see any instant results from protests, but when enough rational, ordinary people peacefully protest against something, eventually the halls of power notice. As for violence in a protest, I think the protesters themselves should be responsible for ejecting any violent/stupid members of a group, and if not, they deserve exactly what\'s coming to them.
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Tell me what good comes from stopping the flow of traffic? It seems to me it would be far better to go to Washington and have a giant rally. Stopping traffic in Boston will do nothing.
And how about one protester holding a sign that denounces Saddam for a change.
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I don\'t know, how about it? Maybe you people should organize a march for once.
What I was involved in was smaller scale, due to the small town I live in. It didn\'t stop the flow of traffic. Either way, I think the group that I\'ve been doing these things with, Bethlehem Neighbors for Peace, has been doing some good. Similar groups have formed in neighboring communities inspired by and based on ours. To me, that shows that in some way we are making a difference. If nothing more, at least we are hopefully making some people think.
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taking a crap seems like "the right thing to do"
the outcome may be similar
people don\'t want to think anymore, they want everything handed to them on a platter
we\'ve become like children
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Originally posted by Ace
Stopping traffic in Boston will do nothing.
Business as usual.
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Originally posted by Gohan
Business as usual.
OK, that\'s pretty funny!:laughing:
Ace
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lets just say if I see someone Spit on one of the soldiers that come back they wont be standing for too long.......the soldiers VOULENTEERED to go into the service they werent forced to and they come back and get SPIT ON..... I dont think so!
P.S. anyone see that the Band System of a Down is protesting with them in California somewhere?...I think they have a video on MTV or MTV2.
:hat:scottyJ:hat:
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yeah, its DEFINATELY pathetic when musicians and actors use thier fame to vomit thier worthless opinions on others
the dixie chicks did it also, even the lame ass beastie boys made an anti-war song
anything to sell a few albums i guess
:rolleyes:
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A NY Post reporter said it best...
Fred Durst and Limp Bizkit are anti-war but half their fans don\'t even know what Iraq is...
(Not actual quote)
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Originally posted by mm
taking a crap seems like "the right thing to do"
the outcome may be similar
people don\'t want to think anymore, they want everything handed to them on a platter
we\'ve become like children
Well, you don\'t see me not longer crapping because the war began.
Whether it will do something or not, at least it shows that we are out there. Besides, what else should I do? I have to do something. Just sitting around as something like this happens wouldn\'t feel right.
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you wanna do something?
grab a book, sit near a window, and read
if you REALLY wanna do something, get involved in politics
dont just stand in the crowd and chant slogans, get down on the field
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No, but check it :laughing:
Every Wendsday the same anti-war protesters always sit at this corner of the federal building protesting anti war. Its hilarious, their signs make no sense; \'\'Support our Troops in fighting!!" then right below it it says "No War".... :rolleyes:
They always trying handing out papers to us too. I just tell them to back off. Seriously, it is human instinct to fight. It always will be. I mean- would you rather wait until he bombs us? Then we have to go through the whole 9-11 thing again? Or lemme guess- great Saddam has a personality?
I say, they have little intelligence. I dont like war, trust me on this, my brother is an enlisted marine being sent out in a few days I believe. I do not want him to, but he decided to defend our country a long time ago. I respect him for that, very much so, and even though war should be prevented if possible, sometimes it is vital for things to stop before it gets any worse. I am glad to know that the war is possibly ending soon.
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Originally posted by mm
you wanna do something?
grab a book, sit near a window, and read
if you REALLY wanna do something, get involved in politics
dont just stand in the crowd and chant slogans, get down on the field
But if everyone does that then there is no crowd. That would only be worse, not better.
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and what do we need a crowd for?
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Musicians making songs about political issues is not usualy done to sell records, sure, there are people who obviously have no idea what they are talking about (Fred Durst) but, a good portion of celebirtys do have valid views on political topics, and I\'d rather hear a song about war then a song about some idiots singing about being in high school.
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Originally posted by mm
and what do we need a crowd for?
To show that we\'re there.
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there for what?
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To have a differing opinion from that being expressed by our government.
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sorry, im not seeing where yer going with this
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I just think that it is good to show that the views and actions of your government do not represent your own, especially in such extreme situations. By taking action in this way, if nothing else, you can show people that there are differing opinions on the issue, and that in some cases they are strong enough to move people to action, no matter what that action is. Whether it makes a real difference or not, I like to know that our views are being expressed in some way.