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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Ace on March 23, 2003, 04:49:01 PM
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Just heard this on Fox. More soon. What a surprise.
Ace
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\'Huge\' Chemical Weapons Plant Found in Iraq
Sunday, March 23, 2003
A senior pentagon official has confirmed to Fox News on Sunday that coalition forces have discovered a "huge" chemical weapons factory near the Iraqi city of An Najaf, which is situated some 225 miles south of Baghdad.
Coalition troops are also said to be holding the general in charge of the facility.
Fox News\' Bret Baier and Ian McCaleb contributed to this report.
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Gee how did the inspectors miss that one? I just saw it as well Ace...
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I bet France is shocked!
Shocked that we will see all those Made in France stickers in the factory.
Ace
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With parts supplied by Russia, Germany and Cyprus ;)
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*gasp*
Is the world not convinced yet?
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100 acre facility. UN inspectors now getting word of this say they had no idea of the facility. Well duh!
Calling Mr. Blix, Mr. Blix are you there?
Ace
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Building was also camouflaged to look like part of the horizon. General also captured -- so far cooperating from early reports.
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Don’t cheer yet :)
Sky interviewed Scott Ritter, (weapons inspector for 7 years) about the claimed chemical factory. He was very sceptical. He said the city in which it is located, is located in the Shin Muslims area, then he believes that the people who found it (soldiers obviously?) does not understand what they are looking at and later reported it to Pentagon, and someone there leaked it because its "good news".
Other inspectors have said they have been to that area earlier this year. They said they did not find anything there in the area before. They said something about a big cement factory then, but Im not sure if they were talking about the same building.
Calling Mr. Blix, Mr. Blix are you there?
HAHA!
How is it possible for Blix to complete his task when a certain country was so eager to start a war? :)
He was not finished in Iraq.
Don’t quote Per Ahlmark again, please :)
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That\'s right...
Its the Allied forces\' fault that the inspectors couldn\'t finish their job...
They sure were quick to attack Iraq...
Only 12 years for Iraq to comply...
THAT\'S NOT ENOUGH TIME, MR BUSH!!!
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4 words... I told you so!
:hat:ScottyJ:hat:
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Originally posted by Ashford
That\'s right...
Its the Allied forces\' fault that the inspectors couldn\'t finish their job...
They sure were quick to attack Iraq...
Only 12 years for Iraq to comply...
THAT\'S NOT ENOUGH TIME, MR BUSH!!!
The pressure was not put on Saddam until after 9/11.
Resolution 1441 was voted..
Saddam agreed on letting the inspectors inside Iraq. They looked and looked but didn’t find any WMD. They destroyed (how many were there? I have figures of 35 or 70) missiles a week or so before it broke out.
They requested more time (1 extra month was it?), but then they were ordered out.
I think that it should have been left to the UN to act.
As I\'ve said before US/UK and France (because they said they would veto ANY resolution which is not right IMO) put a stop to that.
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And thank God they did. UN is a joke.
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Originally posted by fastson
The pressure was not put on Saddam until after 9/11.
Further proof that the UN is less significant...
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Originally posted by Ashford
Further proof that the UN is less significant...
There had been attempts before of course..
But the real pressure, threat of war was not put until after 9/11.
Perhaps UN believed Saddam is not such a big threat as he once was?
I don’t know.
I agree to some degree that the UN can be weak sometimes.
But I still think there was more the UN could have done before the war started. A war should always be the last option.
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From what I hear, the plant was camouflaged so that it couldn\'t be photographed from the air, protected by electrical fences and armed soldiers, and managed by a general. One of our soldiers was injured by an explosive booby trap at that plant... if this was a plant designed to produce shampoo or something, then fine. I guess them Iraqis are uptight about industrial espionage.
Other inspectors have said they have been to that area earlier this year. They said they did not find anything there in the area before.
So perhaps they missed it? Or the US planted it (no pun intended), or modified an already existing plant? Which one is more believable?
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First and foremost...
It is not yet known what chemicals were being produced at the plant.
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oh yeah...like they\'re making Head and Shoulders shampoo in there...yeah, they need to protect shampoo factories with electric fences and camouflage.
No doubt about it, Iraq\'s shampoo is the country\'s prized possession. *sarcasm*
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It\'s being investigated. It still looks like a chem factory. Even if it isn\'t, there is more where that came from. By the way, Scott Ritter is about as credible as Mr. Blix. Which means zero credibility.
Ace
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Originally posted by Ace
It\'s being investigated. It still looks like a chem factory. Even if it isn\'t, there is more where that came from. By the way, Scott Ritter is about as credible as Mr. Blix. Which means zero credibility.
Ace
Why doesn’t Blix or Ritter have any credibility? :)
Are they "anti-american"? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: Because they don’t report the news you want to hear?
Btw, has this "story" been confirmed by any independent source yet?
Last night everyone was quoting each other. (BBC/Sky/Cnn -> Fox News -> Jerusalem Post -> “sources” inside Pentagon)
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Well, Ritter is chasing little underage girls and Blix, well lets just say that my friend Per Ahlmark says not to listen to him. :)
Other than Pentagon info and hearing news info it seems that it is more and more likely a chem. factory.
Ace
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Originally posted by Ace
Well, Ritter is chasing little underage girls and Blix, well lets just say that my friend Per Ahlmark says not to listen to him. :)
Other than Pentagon info and hearing news info it seems that it is more and more likely a chem. factory.
Ace
To tell the truth I dont know much about Ritter.. All I know is that he\'s been looking for these weapons for the past 7 years.
So he should know what he\'s talking about. Or maybe he\'s just jealous over him not finding it first.
I told you not to listen to Peppe. He\'s seen as a public joke over here ;)
Again, does anyone know if a independent source has confirmed this yet?
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Ritter is the least credible source anyone could cite regarding the state of Iraq\'s chemical weapons production. For one he has contradicted himself on many occassions and for another he did try and lure an underage girl to a Burger King via the internet as Ace pointed out.
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Originally posted by Ace
Well, Ritter is chasing little underage girls and Blix, well lets just say that my friend Per Ahlmark says not to listen to him. :)
Other than Pentagon info and hearing news info it seems that it is more and more likely a chem. factory.
Ace
yeah a chem factory with nothing in it.
they just anounced it about 2 hours ago that it was Abandoned for some time.
in other words ... bon\'t blame Blix.... he was given an impossible task to do in such a short time and you b!tch about results ?
/me walks away shaking head
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If that\'s true it really doesn\'t matter. There will be plenty of evidence.
* Ace is indifferent to ooseven\'s shaking head
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No, you forget Blix was suppose to do all this and more in a short amount of time...
As for the chemical factory - I find it funny that it was abandoned. Everyone all worked up, thinking they found their chemical and biological weapons and yet..finding nothing.
hmm.
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Well lets see the report. I would imagine they would flee the building with troops coming through the gates.
Ace
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Its a such big building that it would have been crazy if the inspectors missed it. Even if they only had a short time to search.
I would supect Saddam to hide his weapons in the most unthinkable places. Like the taliban turban or something ;)
Also when there is only one source to go buy (JP), you should get suspicious.