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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Ace on April 18, 2003, 10:11:21 AM
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How sad.
What do you think?
From the Washington Times
Inside Politics
Greg Pierce
News and political dispatches from around the nation.
Gary Kamiya, executive editor of the left-leaning Internet journal Salon (http://www.salon.com), confirms what some Americans have only suspected: Liberals were cheering for the enemy in Iraq.
"I have a confession: I have at times, as the war has unfolded, secretly wished for things to go wrong," Mr. Kamiya wrote last week. "Wished for the Iraqis to be more nationalistic, to resist longer. Wished for the Arab world to rise up in rage. Wished for all the things we feared would happen. I\'m not alone: A number of serious, intelligent, morally sensitive people who oppose the war have told me they have had identical feelings."
More casualties would have been a preferred alternative to the "larger moral negative" of a victory that boosted President Bush\'s chances for re-election, he said.
"Many antiwar commentators have argued that once the war started, even those who oppose it must now wish for the quickest, least-bloody victory followed by the maximum possible liberation of the Iraqi people," he wrote. "But there is one argument against this: What if you are convinced that an easy victory will ultimately result in a larger moral negative — four more years of Bush, for example, with attendant disastrous policies, or the betrayal of the Palestinians to eternal occupation, or more imperialist meddling in the Middle East or elsewhere?
"Wishing for things to go wrong is the logical corollary of the postulate that the better things go for Bush, the worse they will go for America and the rest of the world."
Ace
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What a selfish little prick
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Yup selfish was the first word that popped in my head.Hoping for more american casualties?More Iraqi resistance?No doubt that would have led to a longer war and more casualties on both sides.
These people are garbage.
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Ohh c\'mon. We humans crave blood, we crave danger and unexpecting things. Im pretty sure everyone of you deep down wanted to see what would of happened is the Iraqi soldiers had used chemical weapons, had restisted longer, had defeated the Coalition.
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Iraq isnt my enemy
I don\'t see any reason why they should be
So when I wanted them to fight back the invaders, I wasnt rooting for the enemy.
I can\'t just sit back and watch anybody, not matter what they have done in the past, be exterminated and have their entire family hunted down over BS. Don\'t bring up what they did to their own people in the past, because that\'s not what this war was over. Bring up WMDs and Iraq sponsoring of terrorist organizations, OK. Because this war was over WMDs and sponsoring of terrorism. So I judge Hussein and his government over these 2 reasons.
And so far he has been innocent
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I see nothing wrong with his views. He is entitled to them, and to a certain point, I can almost agree with them.
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I bet most of you didnt turn away from the twin towers falling down either.
Most humans love to see these types of things no matter how disturbing they are.
We are all animals...
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Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
I see nothing wrong with his views. He is entitled to them, and to a certain point, I can almost agree with them.
No one is saying he should not be able to have that view. At what point do you agree with him?
Ace
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Originally posted by luckee
I bet most of you didnt turn away from the twin towers falling down either.
Most humans love to see these types of things no matter how disturbing they are.
We are all animals...
I think that\'s a different argument. How does this relate to the the article?
Ace
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As far as political agenda\'s..nothing.
My comments had to do with the person "secretly wished for things to go wrong"
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Originally posted by luckee
I bet most of you didnt turn away from the twin towers falling down either.
Most humans love to see these types of things no matter how disturbing they are.
We are all animals...
You do have a point. I was glued to my tv watching the twin towers fall over and over again until they stopped but I guess that\'s the kind of thing that movie makers portray, war, violence and we kind of think of it as a movie and think its cool to watch it. But its a very different story when you are in the towers or you are on the battle field.
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If things would of went wrong - people would of been less likely to be happy about this war and it would of probably gurantee\'d that Bush wouldn\'t serve a second term. As it is, the war went smooth , which means if Bush projects we go after another country like Syria - most American\'s will probably support it.
Plus it would of been more "poetic" for the Iraqi people to stand up and run us out of the country.
:D
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I was hoping for more of them to be shooting out the windows of houses and so on. We didn\'t see half of the bag of tricks that exists during urban warfare. I was expecting and hoping for a bloody battle in Baghdad. I guess we can refer that back to the Iraqi loyalness to Saddam.
And wtf, where was that "unconventional attack"? :mad:
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Or their airforce.....
Or the chemical/biological attacks, plus other WOMD.....
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Some of you guys are upset that we won? You are also upset that there we fewer than advertised coalition deaths. I am somewhat stunned.
Ace
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They aren\'t upset that we won, rather they are upset that Bush now looks better to the American public. This is all about Bush and the lefts hatred of him. Basically, they wished for more coalition deaths for their own political gains.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
They aren\'t upset that we won, rather they are upset that Bush now looks better to the American public. This is all about Bush and the lefts hatred of him. Basically, they wished for more coalition deaths for their own political gains.
As much as I could not wait for Clinton to leave office there were no times where I wished for a disaster that would have resulted in American lives to be lost.
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That is the difference between liberals and conservatives my friend. ;)
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Originally posted by Ace
Some of you guys are upset that we won? You are also upset that there we fewer than advertised coalition deaths. I am somewhat stunned.
Ace
WHo exactly is *some you guys?"
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"You people" ;)
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Just read the thread and you will see of whom I speak.
Ace
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This is all about Bush and the lefts hatred of him.
I just wanted Iraqi\'s shooting out of their houses...
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Well today on the news they showed the freed "happy" people of Iraq....They were begin for food, saying how they have nothing to eat. They get seeds for food. Ak\'s being sold for 50 bucks. People fighting over food....To be honest..I think they had a better condition of life under saddam\'s rule. They showed how they don\'t want the US to control them by naming their main cities new names for people of their religion.....But who cares right...Being free = being happy.
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I am amazed that Bush looks better to the American public - even after he has failed to provide any crediable evidence of these so called weapons of mass destruction. He lead American soliders in, got some killed and STILL FAILED to find the reason for goin\' in there. The idea to free Iraqi people never crossed his mind, until he had already commited to the war and realized the chances of finding those weapons of mass destruciton was almost nill.
And yes, I\'m dissapointed that the Iraqi\'s didn\'t put up more a fight.Maybe, just maybe, if they would of pulled some more dirty tricks and we had true urban warfare, than this war wouldn\'t of been so "nice and neat". As it is, Bush succeded in having one of the least bloodless wars and now he can further press to invade more countries.
Whoopie!
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LIC, they found warheads and illegal chemical weapons that Saddam claimed he didn\'t have. Traces of WMDs are popping up, especially some nuclear material. They found mobile weapons labs and secret bunkers of illegal equipment.
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In the words of some members here:
Give us the proof(link)...
This is starting to take shape....
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/24/sprj.nilaw.patrols/index.html
Isn\'t it wonderful how the Coalition officials are so determined to give the Iraqi people their country back. I mean look at them they care so much they have said nobody has the choice for the goverment but the coalition.
While the other threats that aren\'t threats are just sending letters and screamind that they have what Iraq is missing up to now
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/east/04/24/nkorea.us/index.html