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Non Gaming Discussions => Off-Topic => Topic started by: theomen on April 24, 2003, 11:15:50 PM
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Seeing as though my "things you hate" topic started going this way, might as well finish the argument in here.
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here\'s what spurred the discussion
I hate Gay people- Its not normal. Their is no OTHER species in the world that even considers being gay, or even gay. Its ****ing retarded, if God meant us to be gay, everything would have a penis.
http://www.psx2central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=398063#post398063
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Maybe he hates gay people \'cause his gay himself? Just like that guy from South Park.
theomen: Trying to higher your post count, huh?
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Gays aren\'t wrong although you wouldn\'t catch me doing it, the only time it disgusts me is when they start doing shit in public get a room, they only want attention. And don\'t try to hit on me damnit, and don\'t act like you aren\'t gay and then right when you step out of high school become gay all of a sudden.
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I always kinda like it when I get hit on by gay guys. Let\'s me know how dead sexy I am :D
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Gays aren\'t wrong although you wouldn\'t catch me doing it, the only time it disgusts me is when they start doing shit in public get a room, they only want attention. And don\'t try to hit on me damnit, and don\'t act like you aren\'t gay and then right when you step out of high school become gay all of a sudden.
This pretty much sums up what I think.
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Don\'t get me started on this subject. Im not gay, but the topic is pretty close to my heart. Being a Christian, and having a best friend who is gay, I kinda see both sides of the arguement.
God not wanting people to be gay - I do not believe this is the case. Because of sin, things happen that shouldn\'t. Does God create people with cancer? Does God create people with tumours and defects? Does God create people without arms and legs? No, he doesn\'t. I believe that because of sin, things that shouldn\'t happen, happen. Its not politically correct, but I could go as far as to say that being gay is a \'defect\'. Its something that was NOT intended to happen, but has. Almost like mutation of cells. Its not been proven YET, but I believe it will be soon scientifically. Its like being born Asian, or African American, did you ask to be born that way? No, its just a part of you you can\'t change.
I mean, do you really think someone would \'choose\' to be gay? Why would they \'choose\' to be like that? They can\'t have kids, they get descriminated left right and centre and wouldn\'t be able to be sexually fullfilled (if your not really gay, then why wouldn\'t you enjoy sex with a women)? It just doesn\'t make sense, I don\'t understand why anyone would \'choose\' to be like that if they really weren\'t (not saying theres anything wrong with being like that).
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Don\'t get me started on this subject. Im not gay
ha... :laughing:
ha..ha :laughing:
ha..ha..ha....:laughing:
bwhahahahahahahahahah:laughing:
/me passes out due to extreme laughter.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
...and don\'t act like you aren\'t gay and then right when you step out of high school become gay all of a sudden.
I personally think that being gay is wrong as men and women were put on this earth to procreate...it makes sense. I agree with racer that homosexuality is a \'defect\', as a close friend of mine recently came out. And he\'s a senior in high school but nobody he goes to school with knows that he\'s gay. Do you know how mean and cruel high school kids can be? I don\'t blame anybody for hiding the fact they are gay during high school.
The world after you graduate high school is so different. All the popular kids almost lose their identity in the real world, also allowing the \'dorks\' a fresh start with nobody to make fun of them. The real world, as mean and cruel as it can be is still not half as bad as immature high schoolers. I\'ve always felt that if there is something like homosexuality that makes you angry and hateful, that there is something deep inside that person that they are trying to hide.
I\'m sure as hell not down with thinking being gay is the right way to live your life, but that sure dosen\'t make me hate those who do.
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I hate Gay people- Its not normal. Their is no OTHER species in the world that even considers being gay, or even gay. Its ****ing retarded, if God meant us to be gay, everything would have a penis.
First of all, MANY other species in the world have homosexuality present. Humans as a species don\'t even have the highest rate of homosexuality.
After that, I wouldn\'t call it a defect (although, possibly it could be), rather something that is caused by the environment you live in.
For example (and I may have used this before in one of the many other \'gay\' threads), thousands of years ago there was a city (it\'s name escapes me) where every man had an underage (by today\'s standards) male companion to sleep with. Is this the result of massive defects throughout the entire city, or just of a culture which had grown to accept and expect it. It\'s environmental. What you watch on TV, what you see at the movies, who your friends are, who your family are etc. etc. all ties into who YOU become, and this extends to sexuality.
If it\'s a defect, why is it a defect in a minority with a steadily increasing population? If it\'s a defect, why is it that statistically 80% of all women have bisexual tendencies/fantasies/what have you. Wouldn\'t that in fact make the straight women with no lesbian tendencies the \'defected\' ones, for being in the minority?
Blah blah blah, I think I made my point. :)
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personally, i think homophobes are worse than homosexuals themselves
at least they are confortable and secure with who they are
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I like gay people... they\'re funny. And just imagine what the fashion industry would be without them. Also we\'d all be sitting on milk crates in rooms with old blankets for curtains if it weren\'t for those talented homo decorators. I know that I only like chicks, so I don\'t feel threatened by gay dudes. Besides, I can\'t ever imagine the porn situation without lesbianism
/me shudders....
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I think women are the forgotten \'gays\' when it comes to these discussions..
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You ARE NOT BORN GAY, YOU CAN NOT BE BORN WITH PREFERENCES.
I have no problem with it, but I do look down upon it slightly.
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
I have no problem with it, but I do look down upon it slightly.
Isn\'t that a contradiction?
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He is a self-hating teenager. What do you expect?
/me pictures vapor flitting about fire island bars in 3 years....
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Well, I only hate those gay ppl who expose the fact they are gay
in an absurd extravert way. They b1tch about them being not equally accepted, while they put on such a parade distinguishing
themselves. Those gays are hypocrites. I have no problem though
with gays who behave in a decent way in public. Also, I think, in gay-discussions like this, the sex-aspect is too dominant. ( Yes, I find the idea of having sex with a guy revolting ) But there is also a way of being \'platonically\' in love. Love and relationships aren\'t all about sex.
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You ARE NOT BORN GAY
you cannot say this
it\'s like saying people arent born stupid
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I have no problem with gay people, as long as they don\'t hit on my. I do think its unnatural and disgusting but if guys want sex with guys thats fine. Girls having sex with girls is just arousing ;)
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guys want sex with guys thats fine. Girls having sex with girls is just arousing
this is yer opinion, and it\'s fine
but you have to realize its a double standard and hypocritical
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
You ARE NOT BORN GAY, YOU CAN NOT BE BORN WITH PREFERENCES.
So YOU weren\'t born preferring women? Oops, bad example, but you get my drift.
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why is this gay men = wrong
but this (https://psx5central.com/community/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.guardian.co.uk%2Fsys-images%2FMedia%2FPix%2Fpictures%2F2001%2F01%2F02%2FQueerCompany2.jpg&hash=711be9ced14bd5669e1a63796fb4fc8501f7b09d) is not
not that I disagree with that agrument like most will not but what is the difference (cyrus slaps the hell out of himself cause he can very well see what the hell is this difference CHICKS are Hot)
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god damn that IS hot.
Am I the only person in the world who has not seen that video?
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Give me a break. Animals even display signs of homosexuality at times. I truly believe it is a genetic "defect". I don\'t believe someone chooses it for the most part . A lot of homosexuals report being attracted to the same sex as early as their younger childhood.
As for this I hate gay bullshit. I agree with MM, homosexuals are often more secure with themselves than the homophobes.
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Jesus do I get tired of hearing men say that they don\'t mind gay guys, "just as long as they don\'t hit on me." Women have to put up with unwanted advances from guys all the time. Deal with it. We certainly don\'t it as an excuse to beat the hell out of him.
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That\'s odd, sara, I got the notion that you DID beat the hell out of guys for that sort of thing.... ;)
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Hey dammit, we\'re not talking about ME here.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
Isn\'t that a contradiction?
Well I don\'t publicly bash gays, but in my own personal opinions I keep to myself, I don\'t exactly agree with what they do.
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I would like to know how the people who hate gays would feel if one of their kids "came out". Would they disown them?
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Chizzy.... what video?
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I was gonna say something, but I think others have done my job pretty well for me.
Yeah, being gay is natural, it is right.
Think of it this way. What if a gay man is as disgusted by sex with a woman as a straight man is by sex with a man. Would you want to force him to live a life where he has to do that?
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They b1tch about them being not equally accepted, while they put on such a parade distinguishing
themselves. Those gays are hypocrites. I have no problem though
with gays who behave in a decent way in public.
I do not think you make any sense really, if they are proud of being gay why can\'t they martch in a parade? They shouldn\'t have to stop doing that because of fear of being ridiculed. You can have equality and still walk in a parade I believe.
And also, being gay probley has to do with both your surroundings and the way your born, not one or the other.
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Im married is it ok to kiss my wife in public?
**edit** Im adding something to the hate area.. **edit**
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If you want to be gay, go ahead, its a free country. Me however, will stick with females.
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I don\'t mind gay people, but I think it\'s stupid. That\'s it. :D
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Being gay is well abnormal, liking man meat up ones spinchter just isn\'t normal, it\'s designed as an exhaust port not a docking station and that\'s my opinion on the matter.
I would though like to thank the gay people of the world for providing me with loads of joke materal.
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Gay people are cool. Don\'t bother me at all. It\'s not like they are going to try and grab my pee pee or anything. Just because they are gay doesn\'t mean they like to hump on park benches.
Here\'s a question for you. Say they start genetically engineering people. Do they make gays too? I mean if you say it\'s a flaw then why recreate it?
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Originally posted by nO-One
Being gay is well abnormal, liking man meat up ones spinchter just isn\'t normal, it\'s designed as an exhaust port not a docking station and that\'s my opinion on the matter.
I would though like to thank the gay people of the world for providing me with loads of joke materal.
And what about Anal sex with women? You\'re just as opposed to that?
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Don\' t go and start being logical Bobo! :D
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
And what about Anal sex with women? You\'re just as opposed to that?
I guess he would be. In either case it\'s a "man meat up ones spinchter".
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People, stop with this \'if you want to be gay then fine, go ahead\', its just not logically a possibility.
Why would you choose to be like that? If you didn\'t really have feelings for the same sex, then why would you deprive yourself of what you would really want (opposite).
People who think that guys are hitting on them are really insecure. Its like cocky guys who think they\'re gods gift to women. Get a life, its not like that.
I do however disagree with gays bitching left right and centre about how tough they have it. They have it pretty good if you ask me. I\'m not sure if its different else where, but in AUST, you have to be REALLY careful in the work place. You make a joke about a gay employee and he can have you sacked and sued in an instant.
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Anal sex with chix is all about dominance. The forbidden fruit.
Anal sex with dudes well, there aren\'t many options.
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How do gay people have it good? They don\'t even have equal marriage rights except for in a few states.
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Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware
And what about Anal sex with women? You\'re just as opposed to that?
See the thing is, women are different from men, they have mammary glands on their chests and no larva hanging between their legs. That\'s why going through the exhaust port on females is OK.
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personally i think theirs nothing wrong with being gay, may be its not "natural", but definately not wrong.
this is coz i dont believe that one just wakes up one day and has homosexual tendencies, i believe their born with it.
btw :laughing: @ nO-One\'s post
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First of all: Im not gay
Second: I dont want to get started in this very heatedly because it may result in unwanted prosecution.
Okay: Now, someone said their is another species that is homosexual. Prove it.
You have all heard the \'meaning of life\' is to reproduce. Thats exactly what I think. To become immortal by passing on your genes through generations and to enjoy a couple good bangs.
Another point; in highschool in AMERICA, not the UK, they dont support sex in any form, fashion, or likelyhood. But somehow the fags get away with this. Their is some Gay/Straight Alliance thing going on, that pisses me off. They can support gay sex, but not normal sex? What the hell? If they are being so repressed, then why dont they just be normal.
It pisses me off. Being gay isnt good. Its just not normal, its immoral. You have never heard of a gay saint, or famous revolutionary person for one thing.
About Lesbians: This Im really skeptical on too. Its hard to say I support it while I dont for gay guys. Im neutral.
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To be or not to be ( Gay ).
It is not a matter of choice - it is a matter of unconcious mental developements.
For example, if a small child - 2-4 years old - is brought up by a gay couple, he / she will adopt the life-style of his / hers "parents". If the first sexual image a child gets is man-to-man or woman-to-woman, how could he / she orient himself / herself to the natural method?
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Its preference.
Thats like saying- if you are brought up by a Nun, you would want to be a Nun/priest. Your parents dont affect your sexual choice, and or your future career.
You can develop a chiilds brain. But that is different.
I can tell this is leading into a "Support the gays, I hate Spudz" Thread. :laughing:
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OH gimme a break spudz
Alexander the Great was gay, the Spartans were gay(well, had a lot of gay sex atleast)....
Jesus didn\'t have NOT gay sex either though, all sex except for sex with the only purpose to produce children is wrong if you look at it like you are....
Im not going to tell someone that thier beliefs are wrong, but I believe that sex is not wrong, even if it is done without the goal of producing children, it is still okay. It isn\'t a sin.
But, just because I say it isn\'t a sin won\'t make you change yer mind....
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Originally posted by Darth Joyda
To be or not to be ( Gay ).
It is not a matter of choice - it is a matter of unconcious mental developements.
For example, if a small child - 2-4 years old - is brought up by a gay couple, he / she will adopt the life-style of his / hers "parents". If the first sexual image a child gets is man-to-man or woman-to-woman, how could he / she orient himself / herself to the natural method?
Being raised by gay parents doesn\'t make you gay. I should know, my mother is gay. I\'m not, and my sister isn\'t.
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Right their you contradict.
Im not going to tell someone that thier beliefs are wrong,
My belief is it IS WRONG. Then you guys to and tell me it isnt.
What the ****?
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Originally posted by shockwaves
Being raised by gay parents doesn\'t make you gay. I should know, my mother is gay. I\'m not, and my sister isn\'t.
Sorry for the double post.
shox, I hope I am not offending you by my rather harsh way of trying to prove my point. I had no idea about your family life. I have no gay relatives.
If any of you are offended by my stuff, blow it off. Its just some teenager right :rolleyes:. I can already see this is leading to a closed thread, it should be done now before it gets more heated. I cant promise my brutality ( :laughing: ) will be under control. Im very prestiges in this topic.
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If they are being so repressed, then why dont they just be normal.
What gives you the right to tell someone else they must Comply with the values of a closed minded society?
You have all heard the \'meaning of life\' is to reproduce. Thats exactly what I think. To become immortal by passing on your genes through generations and to enjoy a couple good bangs.
Who says this is the meaning of life? It is the goal of the lower life forms on this planet, Humans shouldn\'t live by the same standards. In my opinion the goal of ones life is to life a good life, and to be a good person. The goal of the human species on the other hand i\'d say is to overcome its failures as a race, one of which being Intolerance
Another point; in highschool in AMERICA, not the UK, they dont support sex in any form, fashion, or likelyhood. But somehow the fags get away with this. Their is some Gay/Straight Alliance thing going on, that pisses me off. They can support gay sex, but not normal sex?
Schools try to teach children -About- sex, but they usualy don\'t tell people what to do. No schools say that it is okay to have gay sex and not okay to have Heterosexual sex, and if some schools do say that, they are the minority. Safe sex is always taught to try and stop Teenage pregnancy and STDs(Sexualy Transmitted Diseases).
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Okay Spudz, i was trying to avoid saying anything many religous people would take offense too, rather me tell you how much I think most religion is total BS?
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Originally posted by Spudz
I can tell this is leading into a "Support the gays, I hate Spudz" Thread. :laughing:
And Spudz, this should turn into an anti-you thread. LIke I said in the hate thread, I don\'t like people with ignorant viewpoints or people motivated by hate. To me, you seem to be both. How many gay people do you know well? How many have you talked to about this stuff, openly, with an open mind? Better yet, why do you care? It doesn\'t hurt you if other people have gay life styles. It doesn\'t hurt anyone. They like it, and it doesn\'t hurt them. It also doesn\'t affect you. So why should you care? Better yet, how can you be so arrogant as to think you have the right to tell other people that the way they feel is immoral, and they should ignore their natural instincts and feelings to conform to your lifestyle? I mean, come on. It\'s none of your business, and nothing you should have a say in.
And as for offending me, don\'t worry. Say what you will, it\'s your view points, and you have the right to say it. I\'d rather you speak your mind fully than hold back for my sake.
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No schools say that it is okay to have gay sex and not okay to have Heterosexual sex
Where did I state they said Heterosex was wrong? No where.
They have no Hetero support groups. Little do you know Gays have feelings of hate, and disgust towards hetero\'s too. Although only a small majority do.
Who says this is the meaning of life? It is the goal of the lower life forms on this planet, Humans shouldn\'t live by the same standards. In my opinion the goal of ones life is to life a good life, and to be a good person. The goal of the human species on the other hand i\'d say is to overcome its failures as a race, one of which being Intolerance
:laughing: Live a good life. Thats good. In case you didnt notice we are ALMOST as primitive as chimpanzees. Their are murders, rape, assault, genocides, suicides, and so much more. People think because we have so much technology we are the greatest race on the planet(I agree in a way), but in some cases we arent. Animals can live freely, without government, perfectly fine. A bit off topic sorry.
Back on topic. You guys say Im closed minded? Oh God, A close minded person wouldnt even bother reading your posts, or even respecting some of your ideas. I read your posts, and respect you taking this time to have a intillectual discussion. If you were Open Minded, they you would see I have an opinion, I am a human being, and I wish to state my opinion.
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And as for offending me, don\'t worry. Say what you will, it\'s your view points, and you have the right to say it. I\'d rather you speak your mind fully than hold back for my sake.
[size=10]THAN WHY AM I GETTING THIS CRAP? IT IS MY OPINION[/size] Im sure their are people her who have the same thoughts as me, just not wanting, or already have been stated opinions.
Mods, Admins, I suggest you close this thread, not because It seems like i may be losing, or they might be losing in this discussions. its because i dont want to be held responsible for any actions taken throughout my posts. Im sure i have build up an amount of disgust in my opinions, I find that rather disgusting for you to tolerate someones, but because someone doesnt tolerate another persons opinions.
Im out of this thread. Post whatever you want, but my chances of reading, or even post in here are slim. PM if you wish to talk.
Even add me to AIM if you wish to further talk about this. Lateralus99801
I hope that I havent offended any of you.
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Where did I state they said Heterosex was wrong? No where.
They have no Hetero support groups. Little do you know Gays have feelings of hate, and disgust towards hetero\'s too. Although only a small majority do.
Do I even have to tell you why? Because of people who have views like yours, who spend every day tormenting people who are different then them. They NEED support groups to help them know that it is alright even if our primitive society is too stupid to accept differences.
Live a good life. Thats good. In case you didnt notice we are ALMOST as primitive as chimpanzees. Their are murders, rape, assault, genocides, suicides, and so much more. People think because we have so much technology we are the greatest race on the planet(I agree in a way), but in some cases we arent. Animals can live freely, without government, perfectly fine. A bit off topic sorry.
Yes, the Human race is/has been disgraceful throughout history, we might be almost like chimps, I never said anything about Technology. We are not the greatest race, but we are the smartest. While we are smartest, we are also incredibly stupid. We are smart, but we have too many flaws for are intelligence. Ignorance, Greed, Arrogance, Fear.... There are too many people on this planet who are controlled by things like that, but that does not limit the race as a whole.
If you believe we cannot overcome our flaws as a race, then our society is eventualy doomed. You can believe that if you want, I believe that it could happen... But I also think that we could become smart enough to stop Destroying are planet, and stop the corruption caused by greed and money.
That was way off subject, but yeah I felt like giving my opinion.
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Isn\'t bashing anti-gay people a double-standard itself?
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If you are talking to me, I dont know where i bashed any anti-gays. Maybe you jumped to a conclusion.
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You jumped to the conclusion that I was talking to you.
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Originally posted by Spudz
[size=10]THAN WHY AM I GETTING THIS CRAP? IT IS MY OPINION[/size] Im sure their are people her who have the same thoughts as me, just not wanting, or already have been stated opinions.
Mods, Admins, I suggest you close this thread, not because It seems like i may be losing, or they might be losing in this discussions. its because i dont want to be held responsible for any actions taken throughout my posts. Im sure i have build up an amount of disgust in my opinions, I find that rather disgusting for you to tolerate someones, but because someone doesnt tolerate another persons opinions.
Im out of this thread. Post whatever you want, but my chances of reading, or even post in here are slim. PM if you wish to talk.
Even add me to AIM if you wish to further talk about this. Lateralus99801
I hope that I havent offended any of you.
You are getting crap because you started this discussion, and argued your points in it. I\'m not angry at you, and not taking offense, but if you argue something I disagree with, I\'ll argue back. That\'s just the way it works. Don\'t ask for the thread to be closed because you don\'t want to take responsibility for what you posted. If you don\'t wanna take responsibility, don\'t post it. Post what you are willing to see the reactions to.
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Originally posted by Spudz
Another point; in highschool in AMERICA, not the UK, they dont support sex in any form, fashion, or likelyhood. But somehow the fags get away with this. Their is some Gay/Straight Alliance thing going on, that pisses me off. They can support gay sex, but not normal sex? What the hell? If they are being so repressed, then why dont they just be normal.
What part of the US are you from? Casual sex altogether is frowned upon because of diseases and whatnot. Gay or straight, it is still the same.
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I live in Alaska. One of the highest states with Teen pregnancys, stds, under age drinking, and smoking. I know what Im talking about because i live here.
Gay people are more likely to have STD\'s though.
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Originally posted by Spudz
Okay: Now, someone said their is another species that is homosexual. Prove it.
Not just another species, but many.
A quick Google search (http://www.google.com.au/search?q=homosexuality+in+animals&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&start=10&sa=N) will bring up dozens of sites on the matter immediately.
About Lesbians: This Im really skeptical on too. Its hard to say I support it while I dont for gay guys. Im neutral.
That\'s still a double standard, and seems like you\'re trying to save face. Let me ask you this, do you have any lesbian pornograpy?
Both are \'unnatural\' and \'immoral\', you shouldn\'t have preference to one kind over another.
THAN WHY AM I GETTING THIS CRAP? IT IS MY OPINION
Just as a member of the KKK has their opinion. And yes, that\'s a relevant comparison. Hate is hate, and you\'ll get crap for it, particularly amng many people that have accepted it. Conversly though, in many groups, homosxual \'sympathizers\' will get crap for it, so your time will come. ;)
Gay people are more likely to have STD\'s though.
Statistically, that\'s a very odd revelation. Perhaps it\'s possible that on a percentage level it\'s true, the actual number of homosexuals with an STD would be far below that of heterosexuals, though. At least, common sense suggests it. Do you have links?
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Gays aren\'t wrong although you wouldn\'t catch me doing it, the only time it disgusts me is when they start doing shit in public get a room, they only want attention. And don\'t try to hit on me damnit, and don\'t act like you aren\'t gay and then right when you step out of high school become gay all of a sudden.
Doing shit in public??? WTF?? You dont PDA??? I doubt that.
You could also get a room, but Im sure at times you often opt to not.
Do you only want attention? How many gay men do you know to know thats what they all want? Generalizations are fun no?
Don\'t try to hit on you?? As opposed to you possibly hitting on a lesbian woman? How the hell would they know if you are gay or not unless they hit on you?
Often ppl do that is b/c of ppl just like yourself. Scared to come out of the closet in HS b/c most are so judgemental. Once HS is over, most have no worries.
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About gays being more likely to have STD\'s - on a percentage, yes, and thats only because STD\'s are normally passed via semen, and considering you have two parties with semen instead of one, then that is just logical.
Spudz, I respect your opinion, and your intitled to it, but the things you say just aren\'t logical. I am a Christian, but I am not religious. Relgion keeps you bound, and I believe Jesus was sent to earth to set people free. What religion are you anyway?
Sex is NOT only to reproduce, its clear that God created man with a sex drive so they WOULD have sex lots, so they would populate the world. He hasn\'t taken that drive away now because the world is over-populated. See, logic.
I also believe that gay men are classed in the Bible as Eunuchs, people who are infertile or that dont have an attraction to women.
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Ummm, gayness is wrong cause IM ****ING DRUNKR RHIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!! lmao i need boobiesss!!! ecxucse this post cause im drunk woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sorry in advance rofl before i become sober again cdamn i spelt that all right!!!
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and thats only because STD\'s are normally passed via semen, and considering you have two parties with semen instead of one, then that is just logical.
how the hell can you say this crap, and put the word "logical" in there?
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What religion are you anyway?
I am Christian, or Catholic, not sure which. But I dont practice it, My family does and I respect that, and go with them occasionally (Christmas, Easter etc.)
The reason I think its mostly bull- where is Jesus now? Answer that with out saying some bullshit like "He is on vacation", or "We have been commiting sins".
Strike me dead with lightning before I honestly believe in it.
BTW: mm, whos side? If any are you supporting? I find it to comprehend, :laughing:
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Here\'s what I think. I believe being gay is wrong, I look down on gay people. I don\'t like gay men, especially flamboyant ones, but I tolerate them. I prefer that they act as a normal person would, but I won\'t do anything about them talking in gay voices, or being with their partner in public. I may leave in disgust, but I wouldn\'t approach them. I also wouldn\'t hesitate to punch a gay man in the face for the same thing I would punch a straight man in the face for, nor would I verbally or physically abuse a gay person just because they\'re gay.
Now lesbians, they just turn me on. I, like I\'m sure most of you do, love lesbian porn. It\'s women two fold, what\'s not to like?
I don\'t care if that\'s a double standard, thats how it is, and those are my views.
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Firstly, r4nd0m, your a ****wit.
Originally posted by mm
how the hell can you say this crap, and put the word "logical" in there?
mm, do i have to spell it out for you? Unless a man a going down on a women who has a period, its pretty hard to contract a fluid-type STD like Aids from a women (from memory, Aids does not spread from vaginal fluids, only blood and semen). It is however, very easy to contract from semen, and considering most gays would practice both oral and anal sex together, then the risk would be higher, wouldn\'t it? If a women had Aids, then the only way she could spread it would be from her blood?
maybe im wrong but thats the way i thought it worked.
Spudz, Jesus is not on holidays, remember we turned him away from us, not the other way around. we were the ones that sinned and we were the ones that killed him.
Christian or Catholic, not quite sure. thats funny. either your something, or your nothing.
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they must have a different health information system in AU
it\'s scary the amount of misinformation thats out there
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Lol @ Spudz for trying to get the thread closed.
People are just arguing here, it\'s not exactly out of hand. I see no reason for it not to continue. :)
/me sings HATE SPUDZ, HE\'S A SINNER!!!!!1111111111111111 ;)
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Looks like I\'ll have to quote myself for someone to answer or acknowledge this question.
Originally posted by Jumpman
Isn\'t bashing anti-gay people a double standard itself?
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If \'bashing\' narrow minded people is a double standard, then yes? :confused:
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ok mm, then \'inform\' me.
Im fresh outta high school, and this is the stuff they taught, at least i think it was... Didn\'t exactly pay attention.
hehehe, i love you sammy.
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What makes them narrow minded and not you?
Btw, I\'m not anti-gay people. Just saving myself from a couple of garage filled posts from a couple of retards.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Unless a man a going down on a women who has a period, its pretty hard to contract a fluid-type STD like Aids from a women (from memory, Aids does not spread from vaginal fluids, only blood and semen).
Hmmmm. So am I to assume that Rubbers are only needed if the chick is on the rag? That makes complete centse.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Firstly, r4nd0m, your a ****wit.
Name calling doesn\'t help anything, faggot.
mm, do i have to spell it out for you? Unless a man a going down on a women who has a period, its pretty hard to contract a fluid-type STD like Aids from a women (from memory, Aids does not spread from vaginal fluids, only blood and semen). It is however, very easy to contract from semen, and considering most gays would practice both oral and anal sex together, then the risk would be higher, wouldn\'t it? If a women had Aids, then the only way she could spread it would be from her blood?
maybe im wrong but thats the way i thought it worked.
Right, because as we all know, AIDS is the only STD.
Originally posted by Jumpman
Isn\'t bashing anti-gay people a double standard itself?
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Originally posted by Jumpman
What makes them narrow minded and not you?
Let\'s see... hmm, perhaps because \'they\' think being gay is immoral and unnatural? Because \'they\' don\'t like gay people based on the fact that they\'re... gay? No? Pfft.
But to save you the trouble. I don\'t frigging care. People can do what they want, think what they want. It\'s their life and they can decide for themselves how to waste it.
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Being gay is unnatural, considering the vast majority of the world is not gay. Immoral is another issue.
People can think however they want to think simply because they\'re allowed to. If we try to control how people think they we might as way go back to the 1700\'s and have kings and have terrible social classes where you\'re stuck in one all your life.
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Did Noah make sure there were two gay dinosaurs on the arc?
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What\'s \'natural\' is really a perspective thing.
Sex is a blessing upon humans with which we can use to have pleasure, not merely reproduce.
It\'s like saying masturbation is unnatural. You\'re bringing yourself to orgasm, despite the fact that you\'re not impregnating anything. Being considered \'natural\' is merely the perception and \'acceptance\' of the population, or more importantly, yourself.
Though I just realized you said this; "considering the vast majority of the world is not gay", which may tie into what I\'m saying.
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You\'re all ghey.
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If by natural you mean by "Things we see in nature" Washing with soap, getting implants, wearing any forms of piericings would all be unnatural.
We do lots of crap thats not natural.
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But people did wash with a form of soap. Stuff from trees, berrie extracts. Those caveman were smarteh!
:laughing: This thread is turning comical.
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You guys realize that you can heighten your orgasm by sticking something in your butt? THat\'s what anal beads are for. So maybe the gays are doing it all right.
Apparently it pushes on the prostate or something. That\'s how they get elephants to shpew as well. The caretaker shoves his arm in the elephants butt and massages him from the inside.
Of course I have collected all of my data from the internet and medical dictionaries.
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Of course I have collected all of my data from the internet and medical dictionaries.
Surreeeeeeeeee. I know what video\'s REAL job is, mr. Elephant Caretaker.
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Up to my armpits!
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:laughing:
Elephant Masturbator....
I usually just crawl in head first.
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gay people are the devil!
/me tries to stear the conversation back into a heated argument
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Originally posted by Spudz
The reason I think its mostly bull- where is Jesus now? Answer that with out saying some bullshit like "He is on vacation", or "We have been commiting sins".
He\'s in heaven and will return when he pleases.
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How do you know?
Lemme guess- got the t-shirt while you were there.
The only proof we have that God exist is the bible. Now, I find it funny how religions all have their own side of the story, alot like lies. Everyone has their own side to it.
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Originally posted by Spudz
How do you know?
Lemme guess- got the t-shirt while you were there.
The only proof we have that God exist is the bible. Now, I find it funny how religions all have their own side of the story, alot like lies. Everyone has their own side to it.
That\'s not proof.
If writing is proof then you\'ll have no problem with this;
SPUDZ IS A FLAMING HOMOSEXUAL
There, you can\'t deny it.
And you seem to be under the impression that each religions\' respective book is a different version of the Bible. This is not the case.
If anything, you should point out the 4 different recounts of Jesus\' life, and how they all differ somewhat. But you must remember that the truth can have different sides of the story as well, different perspectives. Not just lies.
I\'d recommend you stop making these statements and do some research for yourself about what to believe, and what not to believe. Ignorance is a nasty thing when it comes to arguements.
But now we are taking it off-topic into a subject that is far less interesting (only because it\'s been covered and argued about on these boards to death).
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Originally posted by videoholic
Hmmmm. So am I to assume that Rubbers are only needed if the chick is on the rag? That makes complete centse.
Ok, not to dwell, as I was probably wrong anyway, but I was under the impression that most gay\'s do not practice safe sex when having oral sex, and many don\'t practice it when having anal sex. Considering accidents happen, and both parties have semen... never mind... i was wrong... its ok...
Spudz, Jesus has the right to bloody well come back whenever he bloody well chooses. I wouldn\'t blame him if he left us all here to die. But no, he loves us and will return when the time is right.
The Four Gospels are very interesting to read, they are each different yet offer the same story of Jesus\'s life from a different perspective, Much like witness\'s of a murder - they will all say it differently.
Spudz, your kinda making yourself look really stupid, you say your a Christian or Catholic yet you don\'t even believe in God, let alone Jesus.
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Im a catholic by birth (Can\'t really decide what yer doin while yer being baptized)
None of you has the right to say you know jesus does or does not exist. If you believe in Jesus/God you must accept the fact that your faith is based losley on an aeincent book. I am not saying that you are wrong, just saying you don\'t have much to make a valid point with.
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Spudz, if you want to get in a religious debate, then you really have to know your stuff. For instance, have you actually sat down, and spent time reading the bible?
Not all religions are completely different, for instance the Islam religion recognizes Jesus as a prophet, and nothing more, however he still gets their recognition.
Believing in God and knowing he exists is similar to the way a jury comes up with a verdict without actually seeing the crime that was commited. You have your evidence and intuition.
If you believe in Jesus/God you must accept the fact that your faith is based losley on an aeincent book. I am not saying that you are wrong, just saying you don\'t have much to make a valid point with.
It\'s based on much more than the Bible, which is in fact 62 books compiled into one. For instance, my main piece of evidence is life itself. I just look around and think to myself, "This stuff isn\'t here for no reason".
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Just because we are here, does not mean there is a god. Man created god once man realized that we might be here for no reason at all, and that we just are here.
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^^^Ditto Hampster. Humans are not special, just lucky. We were lucky through evolution to have a big brain and a body built for building and stuff. Otherwise, we are animals, just like everything else on this earth. We are here because of a fluke that happened billions of years ago and evolution took over. God didn\'t create us. But if god created earth and life so many years ago, then what created him? Sorry if this makes no sense, I am really tired. I\'ll try and make more sense of it when I get thinking again.
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Wurd to Titan and Hamster.
God was created to not only allow some explanation for the unexplainable, but also something to hang all your problems and fears on.
Don\'t get me wrong, church is cool and all. As long as you just listen to the surmon as little life lessons. You get a preacher up there saying woah is me, this church is going down if you don\'t give me ten bucks, and well I\'m out.
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Yes, I do believe in some of the lessons taught by religion. Treating people how you want to be treated is a very good lesson to learn, It is good to learn to not hate people.
I think religion went wrong by turning ideas on how to live life into rules, and everything got thrown out of propotion from then on...
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Originally posted by Titan
^^^Ditto Hampster. Humans are not special, just lucky. We were lucky through evolution to have a big brain and a body built for building and stuff. Otherwise, we are animals, just like everything else on this earth. We are here because of a fluke that happened billions of years ago and evolution took over. God didn\'t create us. But if god created earth and life so many years ago, then what created him? Sorry if this makes no sense, I am really tired. I\'ll try and make more sense of it when I get thinking again.
See you\'re thinking narrow-mindedly. WHY IS THERE US, PERIOD? Why is there space, existence? Just magically appeared? I hate this argument because I can\'t phrase it very well. A fluke you say? Well why were there the circumstances for the "fluke"? WHY IS THERE ANYTHING?
What created God? Nothing, he is the creator. The foundation for life itself.
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Why does there have to be a creator? Why can\'t the idea of the universe just happen?
The creation of God would just happen.
What\'s the difference?
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One thing has to lead to another. The universe isn\'t just here. The idea of "life" is much higher than science.
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So why can\'t the universe be first and no God? Why does something have to create the universe?
Is it easier to believe a God just apperaed out of no where than a universe to appear out of no where?
One point I\'ll have to throw out is there is proof there is a universe.
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There are thousands of reasons we could be here, none of which have any truth behind them.
We can not understand why things are here, where they came from, and what they are. The universe is a mystery.
Perhaps it all just Is, and that is it. Maybe
we are never meant to know.
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Originally posted by videoholic
So why can\'t the universe be first and no God? Why does something have to create the universe?
Is it easier to believe a God just apperaed out of no where than a universe to appear out of no where?
One point I\'ll have to throw out is there is proof there is a universe.
Sorry, just doesn\'t make sense to me. There has to be a great premise for everything that we know of. For being, life, existence.
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
Sorry, just doesn\'t make sense to me. There has to be a great premise for everything that we know of. For being, life, existence.
Which is exactly why gods were created. Look how many different gods there are from Allah to Zeus.
Ppl have to have things to believe in life.
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Well I stand firm in my belief of God and the savior Jesus Christ.
Life and Death are two elements that surpass the realm of modern science and simple logic.
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It\'s real tough to defend that there is a God. There are so many things you just have to "believe".
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It\'s tough to defend that there is a God to non-believers because they only want the cold, hard facts. But like I said before:
Believing in God and knowing he exists is similar to the way a jury comes up with a verdict without actually seeing the crime that was commited. You have your evidence and intuition.
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The facts on religion are that there aren\'t any. That\'s why they call it faith. Believe or don\'t. The fact is, no one can prove their beliefs to anyone else. Trying to argue that your way of viewing something that no one totally understands is right, and another person\'s views are wrong is just arrogant.
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
Well I stand firm in my belief of God and the savior Jesus Christ.
Life and Death are two elements that surpass the realm of modern science and simple logic.
nope. we\'re all on a big ball of rock hurtling through space in just the right conditions for life to spawn. give a couple dozen million years, and voila!. The sheer laws of probability govern that in a universe as vast as this that one star would have one ball of rock that this could happen on. Get used to it. Primitive man could not comprehend this, so they invent a story to explain everything in a nutshell including a little bit to make you not feel bad about dying.
I\'m gonna be worm food someday. So are you. Get used to it, kid. Do you hoonestly see yourself skipping happily through heaven tra-la, tra-la... with happy jesus and happy god and your little dog skip?
You\'re here for a blink of an eye, kid. Then you\'re dirt.
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Exactly. I can\'t prove my belief because I don\'t have those facts that you\'ve mentioned. The answers can only be found in one\'s own divine intellect.
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Alot of people don\'t like admitting that there is a God primarily because they don\'t like to think that there is someone or something greater then they, that could have an impact on the outcome of their life.
The way I see it, God the creator makes a hell of a lot more sense then evolution. Its been proven, not just in the Bible, but by countless ancient texts, that Jesus did infact exsist, and did infact rise from the dead. Now, the fact alone that if Jesus really did exsist, puts far more weight on the argument on God then anything else.
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Originally posted by CHIZZY
nope. we\'re all on a big ball of rock hurtling through space in just the right conditions for life to spawn. give a couple dozen million years, and voila!. The sheer laws of probability govern that in a universe as vast as this that one star would have one ball of rock that this could happen on. Get used to it. Primitive man could not comprehend this, so they invent a story to explain everything in a nutshell including a little bit to make you not feel bad about dying.
I\'m gonna be worm food someday. So are you. Get used to it, kid. Do you hoonestly see yourself skipping happily through heaven tra-la, tra-la... with happy jesus and happy god and your little dog skip?
You\'re here for a blink of an eye, kid. Then you\'re dirt.
That is true, to a certain extent. Just another one of the many philosophies on life. I think life is a little more complex than that, but we all have our own opinions on this matter.
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"Believing in God and knowing he exists is similar to the way a jury comes up with a verdict without actually seeing the crime that was commited. You have your evidence and intuition. "
That is a horrible analogy. Are there any at all cold hard facts that there is a God?
That would be like sending a dude to the electric chair because a witness said "I believe that is the guy who ckilled the chick. I\'ve never seen him, but how else can you explain it? I mean, she\'s dead and there has to be a reason."
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Alot of people don\'t like admitting that there is a God primarily because they don\'t like to think that there is someone or something greater then they, that could have an impact on the outcome of their life.
The way I see it, God the creator makes a hell of a lot more sense then evolution. Its been proven, not just in the Bible, but by countless ancient texts, that Jesus did infact exsist, and did infact rise from the dead. Now, the fact alone that if Jesus really did exsist, puts far more weight on the argument on God then anything else.
I agree. Many atheists aren\'t comfortable with the notion that they are being judged by a force that they can\'t even see, or don\'t even have any factual evidence that it really exists. Therefore its much easier to shrug it off as if it doesn\'t exist.
However don\'t think I am some zealous Christian because you all know as well as I do that that is not the case. I keep my beliefs to myself, and try my best to live by his word, live a good moral life, and wah-lah, achieve eternal life.
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Originally posted by videoholic
That is a horrible analogy. Are there any at all cold hard facts that there is a God?
All 62 books that compromise the Bible and my intuition is enough for me. Perhaps they aren\'t the cold/hard facts you speak of, but when you actually sit and read the Bible, things make sense. Prophecies have been accurate and there is just so much historic evidence that many of it was in fact true.
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Im not afraid of being lower then a god, k thanks.
God makes more sense then evolution? Hmmm yes those skelletons of animals slowly evolving surely do not prove a thing!
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
I keep my beliefs to myself, and try my best to live by his word, live a good moral life, and wah-lah, achieve eternal life.
Amen.
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Originally posted by videoholic
Why does there have to be a creator? Why can\'t the idea of the universe just happen?
Because it\'s just that, an idea.
Human\'s can\'t comprehend fully the concept of "infinity".
Thus, we created God.
Assuming we did, I\'m still undecided.
On a related note, does anyone else think that if Jesus did appear, people would think he was just a crackpot and throw him in an insane asylum?
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It would depend... I\'m sure he\'d do something remarkable to display that he is in fact Jesus.
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
It would depend... I\'m sure he\'d do something remarkable to display that he is in fact Jesus.
Do you think he could eat a Jizz and Mayonaise sandwich?
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Aw, why did this turn into a religious thread?
Well - perhaps we can combine it? Who here believes that Jesus was ghey? ;)
Anyway Vapor Snake... I think Vid made some fine points - why is it impossible for the universe to suddenly appear from nothing, while \'God\' is "just there"? You guys are killing me.
Besides, those 2000 year old texts are pretty damn reliable. I mean, it\'s not like those people were gullible and narrow minded compared to modern man (not that we are the smartest we can be, just smarter). And the countless translations from dead languages to other languages are sure gonna help convey the right meaning.
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SAVE ME JEBUS! :eek:
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
The way I see it, God the creator makes a hell of a lot more sense then evolution. Its been proven, not just in the Bible, but by countless ancient texts, that Jesus did infact exsist, and did infact rise from the dead. Now, the fact alone that if Jesus really did exsist, puts far more weight on the argument on God then anything else.
Just b/c there was a man alive at some point in time does not mean he is the son of god and can rise from the dead when ever he feels the need to.
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Originally posted by Samwise
Anyway Vapor Snake... I think Vid made some fine points - why is it impossible for the universe to suddenly appear from nothing, while \'God\' is "just there"? You guys are killing me.
Because that just doesn\'t make sense to me. There has to be a foundation for space and time, a creator!
I\'m done with this thread, you guys believe what you want, and I\'ll believe what I want.
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hey ryu isnt this getting PERSONAL again?
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Originally posted by shockwaves
I should know, my mother is gay.
Is your mom hot? Butch or lipstick lesbian? ;)
jk... I love lesbians though and yes I am hypocritical.
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
Because that just doesn\'t make sense to me. There has to be a foundation for space and time, a creator!
I\'m done with this thread, you guys believe what you want, and I\'ll believe what I want.
So where did god come from? The universe just *being* there doesnt make sense, yet god just *being* there makes all of the sense in the world.
Hmm..interesting...
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what make the color green, ... green? how do you know its not really the color red... the only thing you have to base that on is that someone told you it was green and therefore its green. Please people there should be no argument here if someone belive its green fine let them belive it why would you want to convint them otherwise.... JUST TO ARGUE thats why.. I should be allowed to belive what I belive and you should be allowed to belive what you do and If we dont belive in the same thing HOW DARE YOU think that im wrong I dont think you are I just belive that we think differently
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Not for anyone in particular....
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Do you think he could eat a Jizz and Mayonaise sandwich?
Samwise is jesus? :eek:
Bob, taking from your previous post. Calling me a flaming homosexual or something. i dont get it, it seems you are doubting religion as a hole, I feel the same. So you call me a homosexual? :laughing: Whatever, rather prude, but whatever. I dont believe in most of that mumbo.
BTW: What ever happen to the gay thread? Now its religion? Eck- here;
I hate fagets...
:D
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You spelt fagets wrong, but it doesn\'t matter, the correct spelling is censored.
*leaves thread*
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Originally posted by Cyrus
what make the color green, ... green? how do you know its not really the color red... the only thing you have to base that on is that someone told you it was green and therefore its green. Please people there should be no argument here if someone belive its green fine let them belive it why would you want to convint them otherwise.... JUST TO ARGUE thats why.. I should be allowed to belive what I belive and you should be allowed to belive what you do and If we dont belive in the same thing HOW DARE YOU think that im wrong I dont think you are I just belive that we think differently
You are comparing the english language to the being of a God?
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
You spelt fagets wrong, but it doesn\'t matter, the correct spelling is censored.
*leaves thread*
I know you ******. ;)
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Thats what I was thinking Vid... I don\'t really understand the parallel you were trying to make Cyrus.
I should be allowed to belive what I belive and you should be allowed to belive what you do and If we dont belive in the same thing HOW DARE YOU think that im wrong I dont think you are I just belive that we think differently
I hope you\'re not directing that to me. I\'m not bashing anyone, I may think you are wrong, but I won\'t criticize you for it. It\'s simple, you believe what you want, I\'ll believe in what I want.
Back on the subject, if you\'re gay, and don\'t believe in God, then more power to you. Have fun, and enjoy yourself. However to be a Christian and publicly bash homosexuals is being a hypocrite, and should be looked down upon.
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video bro.... has nutting to do with language i was much deeper than that you know something is green because for years someone told you what green was you have no proof that something is green because we only know green as a passed on belief. Same goes for religion each person know relagion a different way because of how they were taught or raised but everyone but you (not speaking of you specifaclly, you in the whole) cant be wrong can they you guys just need to stop I hate talking realigion because I have non yet Im a better person than most who are "religouse" so does that mean I should burn in hell because I have no religion.. I THINK NOT and if you do that fine but thats the point isnt it.
My statments werent directed at anybody I was speaking in a general sense.
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No Cyrus. Green is a color. You have proof there is a color because it\'s the color it is.
If the first guy called it Henry we\'d be calling it Henry. It just so happens that the first guy called it Green.
Now what in the world does that have to do with whether there is a God?
If you want to say that it has something to do with why we call God God, well I\'ll give you that. Heck, where did the name God come from?
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
However to be a Christian and publicly bash homosexuals is being a hypocrite, and should be looked down upon.
Thats exactly right. If you call yourself a Christian, then you have NO right whatsoever to judge someone or hate them because they are gay. God is the only one who can pass judgement and if your a Christian you are supposed to love everyone.
Hating gays is like hating black people.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Hating gays is like hating black people.
Thats debatable.
Racial backround is not a choice unlike homosexuality as some believe.
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Could this thread be taking yet another turn?
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Just possibly.
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Luckee, so you think that homosexuality is a choice?
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I see no reason it isn\'t, but what do I know...
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"as some believe"
I take it that means you?
Sexuality is a subconscious choice, you are born ambiguous, yet you have no control whatsoever of which way you sway.
The most choice you are given is whether or not you perform the act, but that doesn\'t effect who you really are.
Bob, taking from your previous post. Calling me a flaming homosexual or something. i dont get it, it seems you are doubting religion as a hole, I feel the same. So you call me a homosexual? Whatever, rather prude, but whatever. I dont believe in most of that mumbo.
I was making a point that jut because something is written, doesn\'t make it true.
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I answered pretty clearly I thought.
I just like proof one way or another.
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Sexuality is a subconscious choice, you are born ambiguous, yet you have no control whatsoever of which way you sway.
The most choice you are given is whether or not you perform the act, but that doesn\'t effect who you really are.
Bobo seems to make the most sense here.
Personally speaking...it is not a choice. At least it\'s not one I was given to make.
As for being a product of my environment. I have the most conservative, narrow minded parents in the U.S. along with a brother who is the straightest person I know. The town I grew up in has a population of 1200 rednecks. My entire family are christians and my dad is the most judgemental person I know...we don\'t see eye to eye on much.
Hell, I didn\'t get to watch TV until I was around 6 years old and even then it was on a limited basis. (Afternoon cartoons, then homework)
I didn\'t know what a homo was until I was 12 years old. I knew long before that I was attracted to guys though.
Is it tough...yes. Extremely frustrating and most of the time a severe depressant. I\'m 21 and still haven\'t accepted it fully. I don\'t scam on guys as I just can\'t bring myself to do it...embarasment and insecurity have alot to do with that.
I\'ll answer any questions you guys might have.:)
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Your gay?
.........
The town I grew up in has a population of 1200 rednecks
Did everyone sleep with everyone?
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Yes, I am.
That would have been funny...but no, it wasn\'t that backwoods. Perhaps rednecks was the wrong term. What I was implying is that the town is devoid of anything but tradition. You go to school, you play sports, you go hunting/fishing, you go to Sunday church, blah, blah, blah.
I lived a very sheltered childhood so getting me to buy the whole "I am what I am because of my surroundings" is a bit far fetched. I believe it\'s something one is born with...whether is be a birth "defect" or whatever. It\'s probably passed down through genes and I find that to be entirely possible. I was adopted and have no clue as to who my biological parents are.
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May I ask a 2 questions? 1
Why did you choose to be gay? 2
Im not making fun of you, but rather wondering why.
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I\'m guessing you understood nothing of my posts except I am gay.
Had you comprehended it, you should have gotten the idea that it was not a choice. Had it been, I would have chosen to be straight. Life would be so easy for me...but I\'m tired of feeling sorry for myself.
Are you the one dead set on the idea that it is a lifestyle or a choice? Honestly, I don\'t know anyone who would choose this. It\'s been a huge obstacle in my life that I still can\'t overcome.
I\'ll ask a question now.
Where did you get the impression that it is a choice? Do you simply set it in your mind so that you think you understand it?
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Originally posted by Spudz
May I ask a 2 questions? 1
Why did you choose to be gay? 2
Im not making fun of you, but rather wondering why.
Originally posted by Rikku
I\'m guessing you understood nothing of my posts except I am gay.
FUNNIEST THING EVAAAAR!
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Oh my gosh, how can you be born with personal preferences? I guess I was born to like the Lakers, asian girls, and play RPGs.
When you\'re born, your just a lump of clay, its your environment that sculpts you.
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Well the whole born gay thing was covered in my Abnormal Psych class (that\'s gotta feel great, if your sexual preferance is covered in Ab Psych) and the basic jist of it is that it\'s a combonation of hormonal imbalence and enviroment. A combonation of Nature and Nurture. But you also have to take into consideration that most of todays psychological theories will be avoided like the black death in a decade or so. I mean look at how Freud is considered a major quack now, but was the mac daddy of psych back in the day.
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Originally posted by theomen
Well the whole born gay thing was covered in my Abnormal Psych class (that\'s gotta feel great, if your sexual preferance is covered in Ab Psych) and the basic jist of it is that it\'s a combonation of hormonal imbalence and enviroment. A combonation of Nature and Nurture.
That\'s a combination that I\'d most agree with. As the same environment could have completely different effects on the same person.
Though, your environment is made up of more than simply what \'surrounds you\', rather what you see, what you do, what you hear about, etc. etc. Every little detail that is absorbed by the brain.
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Socialization.
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Thanks for chiming in Rikku, it\'s always nice to hear from someone with experience. And your comment to Spudz was hillarious. :D (no offense Spudz ;)).
Besides, Bob is making sense! :eek:
I think I see blood falling from the skies.
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Heh, Spudz got Owned. Gotta love that.
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
When you\'re born, your just a lump of clay, its your environment that sculpts you.
Vapour, I totally, 100% agree, BUT when your born, are you going to have blonde hair or brown hair, are you going to have blue eyes or green eyes, are you going to have a introverted personality or are you going to be an extrovert? These things have already been implated into your life from DAY ONE, and I believe sexual preference would be the same. Sure, environment can have a baring (like how your gonna cut your hair, social trends etc) but the main blocks are still there.
I dunno, thats how I see it anyway.
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are you going to have a introverted personality or are you going to be an extrovert? These things have already been implated into your life from DAY ONE
No, that\'s environmental.
Color of your hair is genetic, color of your eyes are genetic, your personality is environmental.
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Personality is environmental...but how is it that a human can go from gay to straight?
How could one change their sexual preference before knowing they have one?
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Because they never had a preference.
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So you don\'t believe it\'s something genetic?
I wonder how it is that I was "influenced" to have a different sexual preference than my brother? We grew up in the same town and house.
We are both adopted and from different biological families and I can\'t help but think it\'s something I was born with.
EDIT: Personal preferences can change at the drop of a hat. Have you always liked the same color? What about the same favorite car? Music? Morals, ethics?
Even our manuerisms and our social personalities can change depending on one\'s situation.
I know I\'ve changed my mind on all the above several times in my life. Unfortunately, my sexual preference has never so much as budged. Every time I discuss this, it seems less like a preference but rather a trait instilled from day one.
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Gays don\'t bother me. As long as they don\'t look at my ass ;)
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Gays do bother me, as long as they do look at my ass.
Erm...
Nevermind.
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I\'m not gay. I like girls. Specially my girl, shes foxy.
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everything in life is a choice.. you say how can it be that your brother is one way and you are different even though you both grew up the same ways, Well let me tell you I have two boys who are COMPLETELY different and they grew up the same way.. everything effects different people different way my father was an alcholic most people who grow up with alcholic parents tend to be the same in my case I wont hardly drink cause I hated him so much for it it was my choice and I choose not to let my enviorment to be an excusse If you gay more power to you and Im very glad you can be open about it and hope that you dont get persecuded but my friend it was your choice.
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Forgive for my earlier retarded posts which contributed absolutely nothing to this topic. There was a debate on whether homosexuality was with you when you were born or whether the environment you grewed up in sculpted it. The fact is, no one knows. Until it is scientifically proven to be either one, I suggest everyone to just shut their little mouths.
Rikki, do you think chose to be gay, got influenced by your environments, or were born with it?
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he allready said he didnt think he choose or that it was his enviroment hello your as bad as spudz read man read it all there
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Actually, you ****ing retard, he never really specified which is why I\'m asking directly. Hello, stfu.
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to quote for you whom is obviously the retard " I believe it\'s something one is born with...whether is be a birth "defect" or whatever"
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My bad. :)
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Cyrus, you\'re wrong. There are some things in life we can not choose. Some people are born with natural talents or gifts, some with birth defects. What\'s your take on those?
The desire to find a companion is natural instinct, as in something you are born with. Do you think animals make a concious decision to be gay? As bob pointed out earlier, it is evident in other species.
Do you honestly think I make a concious effort to be gay? You think it\'s something that I had chosen at an early age before I even knew what it was?
Your ideas were handed to you by someone you trust (ie: parents, teachers, peers) so you choose to believe that is the truth. Their misconceptions are now yours. That or you simply make an excuse to deal with fear of the unknown like so many people do.
How could you have possibly convinced yourself that you have the answer to what has been questioned for hundreds of years?
And yes it is an unknown. There is no definitive answer and I\'d like to be the first to know when there is.
To answer your question Jumpman. I believe that it\'s something one is born with.
I don\'t think about it though. I\'ve spent the last decade trying to "fix" it to no avail. Within the last decade I\'ve gone through changes such as the type of music I listen to, the friends I hang around, my hobbies, my job, motives, ethics, morals, etc. All those are preferences and choices.
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I agree 100% that there are things in life that we canot choose example would be eye color, skin color and genetic anomiliys. Now as for the part of choice of being gay you only feal like it is something that you were born with beacuse the people around you IE: the "rednecks" have conviced you that it is wrong to choose the be gay and im stating it that way because of the way that your refrenced your homosexuality you called it a birth "defect" something that you were born with that is wrong. Now for my background Im a nurse a male nurse and most of my fellow male nurses are Gay I have had long discussions with them on the subject but not once has any of them ever thought they were defective because of there homosexuality. You were raised to bevlie it was wrong, the same way as many other god fearing people but to reason with your self that it is ok to be homosexual you say or think that you were born with it. Its not wrong to choose to be gay you like men... I like women (my wife thinks i like them to much :-)) as soon as you come to the realization that it makes you happy to be with men and its ok to be with them no matter what anyone thinks you will belive that you were born with it. You will altough be much happier once you realize that it is a choice you made and it makes you happy.
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Okay, I\'m not getting what angle you are coming from.
1) You are accusing me of choosing the sexual preference of the same sex.
This is what I\'m arguing. It was not a choice for me to be attracted to the same sex.
2)You are saying that it will ulitmately be my choice to either accept it or live in self denial.
This I agree with
Defective is the wrong word. I believe more than anything it has something to do with a hormonal imbalance as that idea has been passed around the most.
I don\'t believe myself to be abnormal or handicapped in any way. I\'m just as capable of anything anyone else can do. I currently hold a 3.88 GPA at the college I attend, I have a part time job, I pay my bills, I hang out with my friends.
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Rikku, Iam not your enemy and I could be totally wrong and have been lots of times. I just feal our sexuality is our choice I think I choose to like women. I think you have choosen to like men and I think that once youve realized this you will be happier you not defictive and Im not nescisarily right. Besides what do I know I have only talk to people who are gay and not ever tried it... but let me ask you something I have been married for almost 10 years, Ill date myself to say i was 21 when I got married, if I was to have sexual relationship with a man now at this point wouldnt it be a choice that I made. and for having that relationship i would be consindered gay right? thats just my opion peace...
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You think you chose to be attracted to women? Attraction has more to do with than looks. Physically and emontionally, you can honestly tell me that you could turn your preference at the drop of a hat and connect with a male at the same level you do a women?
Your natural instinct to check women out or to socially engage with females can be turned off?
Then why can\'t I?
I want you to ask those friends of yours a question.
Could they change it? Could they honestly and truly be attracted to a woman if they wanted to?
I\'d like to hear their answers.
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See Rikku, thats where my environment kicked in. I was brought up to be attracted to females. And I am at a point of no return, chicks is where its at.
I mean, boobs, nice arse, big hips, beautiful smile.... Dang, I just couldn\'t live without it. Chicks rule.
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Vapor Snake,
You haven\'t comprehended much of what\'s been going on. I don\'t say that in a demeaning manor but you honestly have no clue.
What would you say in my environment influenced me so much as to "change" my sexual preference? What is that you believe would be capable of doing such?
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I actually was speaking from experience one of my friends was married and loved his wife and he meet a man that he became attracted to and eventualy left his wife for him.
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Did you ever ask him why or how?
I\'m willing to bet he never accepted that he was gay, and just went through the motions of being straight. It\'s not hard to find someone you\'re content with, but it\'s rather difficult to find someone you truly admire.
Like I said, I don\'t have all the answers and I\'m not prepared to explain human behavior, especially someone else\'s.
I do know myself though. :)
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But why men? Is there some physical or psychological connection?
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I think, people are born pre-destined to be gay or not gay when they hit puberty and horomones kick in.
But, People who are "Not gay" can also have homosexual feelings and such based on your surroundings. Such as (mentiond this earlier) Spartan boys were brought to train for war at early ages (before puberty) So when they got to their teen years, many of there close freindships developed into more. But, they all went on to marry women.
I don\'t think people choose to be gay or not gay, how often do you choose a way you feel? do you say "I want to feel sad now" or "I think now would be a good time to feel Happy". usualy, you cant just decide to feel a certain way.
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Cyrus, you must be pretty dumb. Its pretty obvious that men were designed to be attracted to women, a penis goes into the vagina and before you can say "hey, there\'s a bun in the oven" the women is pregnent.
Homosexuality is a birth defect, its something that was not supposed to happen, but has, so you just have to make the most of it.
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Where did you get the impression that it is a choice? Do you simply set it in your mind so that you think you understand it?
So your saying we are born smart? So why do we go to school?
I know someone who was gay, and changed, now probably one of the biggest pimps I know. :laughing:
You can change what you like and what you dont- it just takes practice. Example: at first I didnt like reading, now sometimes I enjoy it. Things about your brain can change. You arent born wanting to be the president of the united states, or a carpenter. Its how you grow up.
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Thanks for chiming in Rikku, it\'s always nice to hear from someone with experience. And your comment to Spudz was hillarious. (no offense Spudz ).
Besides, Bob is making sense!
I think I see blood falling from the skies.
None taken, sorry for double post.
Heh, Spudz got Owned. Gotta love that.
And how was I Ownd? :laughing:
I think that he rather missunderstood me. If someone points out a specific idea in a topic, doesnt mean thats the only thing they understand. Anyway, I dont care. I still dont like gay people. :laughing:
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Spudz, you clearly should have left this conversation pages ago.
Some people have the natural ability to learn and comprehend at a higher level, some at a lower. I can guess which one you might be under;)
What you like and what you don\'t fall under the preferernces and choices debate we\'ve had going.
What about instinct? Nobody here has bothered to challenge the fact that homosexuality occurs in other species.
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Originally posted by Vapor Snake
But why men? Is there some physical or psychological connection?
If I or anyone else had that answer, this thread would have ended long ago.
As for me, it\'s at an emotional and physical stance. I simply don\'t connect with women the same way I do with men.
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I guess I\'ll never understand then.
*leaves thread, seriously. Well until someone posts something which brings me back*
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:laughing: Im the one that created this whole bullshit.
I have the right to not like homosexuals. You have the right to be gay. ##Racer## has the right to shower with boys ;) Just kidding man. :laughing: and I also have the right to post when, where, and how I want within context of the rules.
Most people are born with the same intelligence, and it branches off. If your child grows up playing video games, watching tv, and rotting their brain. Most likely they wont grow up to be a rocket scientist. However reading to your child, health food/nutrition, and interaction between the child and his/her parents can significantly increase brain capacity and the abilty to understand at a higher level.
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People can change from being gay to not gay because they were wrong in the first place. Some people are just inbetween, so they have to figure out which side they are. And some people are just bisexual.
Spudz, your freind didnt just wake up and say "Today, i am gay" then a week later wake up and say "Im not gay, infact, i have to attraction to males at all" thats not how things work.
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I guess its like the meaning of life.
Whats the meaning of attraction? What attracts, for instance, a man to a women? Is it the way they look, the way they act, the way they talk, the way they smell? Considering all these things are hormone induced, I cannot help but think that homosexuality is based on hormones, whether its because of an inblance or not, im not sure, and then why do some gay men act feminine whilst others don\'t? A different hormone altogether?
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That theory has been tried. Im not sure what the results have been though. Although it seems logical.
Spudz, your freind didnt just wake up and say "Today, i am gay" then a week later wake up and say "Im not gay, infact, i have to attraction to males at all" thats not how things work.
And how do you know this?
Maybe your gay "friends" told you this? People change their minds alot. And sometimes for the better, other times for the worse.
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You as a human being have the right to think however you want, but you shouldn\'t at other people\'s expense.
You created this thread and clearly haven\'t been able to keep up. Your arguement is one sided and narrow.
We are not born as equals. Intelligence and physical characteristics can be developed but not everyone can acheive the level of a rocket scientist or comprehend the art of poetry so to speak.
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We are not born as equals.
A gay racist? :laughing:
You as a human being have the right to think however you want, but you shouldn\'t at other people\'s expense.
I dont see how Im able to hurt you by posting words on the internet. If I were to take real action, than so be it- you can be offended by that. Its alot like protesting- they never hurt anyone. Although disliked as a whole, at least here. They are sometimes supported, and it isnt illegal.
You created this thread and clearly haven\'t been able to keep up. You\'re arguement is one sided and narrow.
I do have a life, I believe I keep up fine at the forum. And about my arguement being one sided- :laughing: You want me to contradict? Its all in perspective, I can see yours as one sided and narrow. And you can do the same.
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I haven\'t imputed my beliefs on anyone, not intentionally. I\'ve taken this issue from every angle without being too critical of any one theory. I\'ve spoken for myself.
You honestly believe that a 4\'2" person could be at the same athletic level of a 6\'5" person? Someone with muscular destrophy(sp?) could become a body builder? This ties in with the whole "we don\'t get to make all our choices" debate.
You\'re not offending me in the least. Your stubborn ignorance is just off putting, that\'s all.
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I do not have any gay freinds actualy, but I do know who people who are Bi/Gay.
Spudz, your telling me you actualy believe people wake up and decide to no longer be attracted to women?
People do not just choose to be Homo/Bi/or Heterosexual, it\'s not like something you can be one day and not be the next. You can change your mind about whether you WILL be gay or not, but that doesnt change how you feel. You still have the same feelings towards people of the same sex.
If Rikku wanted to live life hidding his feelings, he could do that. But he\'d still be attracted to men, and he wouldn\'t change at all on the inside.
So, if your not understanding why people "Choose" to show homosexual feelings, it\'s the same reason people "Choose" to show heterosexual feelings.
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Spudz, your telling me you actualy believe people wake up and decide to no longer be attracted to women?
Where did I say this?
You honestly believe that a 4\'2" person could be at the same athletic level of a 6\'5" person? Someone with muscular destrophy(sp?) could become a body builder? This ties in with the whole "we don\'t get to make all our choices" debate.
Ever heard practice makes perfect? Here how about the many stories of people born without legs that have become extremely fast runners. Students born without arms that have become on every honor roll, and homeless people who are now multi millionares? I sure have, and I will prove every single one of them if you doubt me.
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quote:Spudz, your freind didnt just wake up and say "Today, i am gay" then a week later wake up and say "Im not gay, infact, i have to attraction to males at all" thats not how things work.
And how do you know this?
Maybe your gay "friends" told you this? People change their minds alot. And sometimes for the better, other times for the worse.
Sure sounded like you were saying i was wrong there. *Shrugs*
Missing legs has nothing to do with being gay.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Cyrus, you must be pretty dumb. Its pretty obvious that men were designed to be attracted to women, a penis goes into the vagina and before you can say "hey, there\'s a bun in the oven" the women is pregnent.
Homosexuality is a birth defect, its something that was not supposed to happen, but has, so you just have to make the most of it.
Ahhh and the Holy Roller chimes in, yes most God fearing people do belive that if you think differently than most and espically differently then what the Bible says is right then you must not have any sense.I\'m very glad that you think im dumb because I have my own opion enjoy your messages with spudz he is much more on your level of conversing. Furthermore welcome Mr. Do as I say and not as I do wasnt it you that posted "blah blah if you christian then who shouldnt judge blah blah.... and your the reason I dont.
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Ever heard practice makes perfect? Here how about the many stories of people born without legs that have become extremely fast runners. Students born without arms that have become on every honor roll, and homeless people who are now multi millionares? I sure have, and I will prove every single one of them if you doubt me.
I really don\'t think you need me to go on but I will any way...
Are they the fastest runners? No. Put them up against someone more fortunate and you\'ll clearly see they are not equals.
I proved we are not all born with the same abilities.
I don\'t see how anything else you posted applies. Yes, people can overcome obstacles. This doesn\'t have anything to do with the issue at hand.
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Yes it does. You said not all people are born equal, the same. I proved other wise.
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Spudz, I understand what your getting at, but you don\'t understand what Rikku is trying to say. Sure, people can overcome certain adversaries, but they still dont have legs. They will never have legs, but they can learn to deal with not having legs. Not all legless people have this kinda luck though, and only a very very small percentage of people can overcome something like this.
Its the same with being gay, some people can try and overcome this \'disadvantage\' but most cannot. People will never stop being gay, but they might learn how to \'overcome\' the certain feelings.
Same as someone who is black that wants to be white. Sure, they can have all the surgery and skin treatments in the world, but they will always STILL be black, regardless of what they look like. I believe the only way someone can actually change is through healing from Christ, but thats not to say that being gay is a sin. Its like being born with cancer, Christ can heal you of it so you can live a \'normal\' life.
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Why does christ need to be involved with wether people are gay or not?
And being gay is a sin. What religion are you Racer?
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Deadly, I am a Christian.
I was just stating that to be completely changed, Christ would need to \'heal\' you. How can you say its a sin if its something you physically can\'t change?
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Im merley saying what i believe Chirstians believe, that being homosexual is a sin. I know that to be true in the catholic church, what type of christian are you?
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So your saying we are born smart? So why do we go to school?
Intelligence and knowledge are two completely different things. Humans naturally have incredibly high intellects (at least relative to animals), yet we still need to go to school to aquire the knowledge to survive in our society.
Ever heard practice makes perfect? Here how about the many stories of people born without legs that have become extremely fast runners. Students born without arms that have become on every honor roll, and homeless people who are now multi millionares? I sure have, and I will prove every single one of them if you doubt me.
Those are the worst analogies I\'ve ever read. What does not having arms have anything to do with your grades at school? It effects neither your intelligence, nor work ethic. Being homeless has nothing to do with being born equally (physical/mental) or not. Being able to run fast with synthetic legs does not have anything to do with being equal or not. You might as well strap a rocket pack to their back and scream "LOOK HOW FAST HE\'S RUNNING". Although, if they can run as fast as today\'s fastest runners using just their stumps, THEN you might have a point ;)
I proved other wise.
You proved that you could make really lame comparisons that don\'t make sense.
A person with no arms, defying all intellectual limitations of.. NOT HAVING ARMS goes on to become an honor roll student. Who would have thought it!!? I mean.. he had NO ARMS, how did he do his exams!?
I will say this, some people can make a conscious decision to be gay. If someone were open minded with their sexuality they may wish to experiment. This ties in particularly with women. This is a conscious decision based again, on their enviornment and the personalities that have been instilled within them ~~ To be more open minded toward these things. Though in the majority of cases, a person being gay is the result of a SUBCONSCIOUS choice, that they have no control over. Though, your enviornment mostly effects you at a younger age, (you absorb more) which is why most people know they are gay at a younger age. Spudz, it completely possible for YOU to be gay in the future. Did you know that a lot of men don\'t realize they are gay until they are married and have children?
(Note: I said the word \'realize\', as it wasn\'t something they were simply hiding away, living a lie (though it can be), they just never had feelings - at least according to the guys interviewed on this TV show I watched :p)
We live in a society which is geared toward the fact that women are supposed to be with men, and not men with men, not women with women. This is why most of us are attracted to women. If we grew up in a society which was based completely on sex with whoever and whenever that\'s what we will all be like (though with obvious exceptions). Hell, I think that our society could evolve into that one day in (distant) the future. This goes back to the original point I was making in this tangent, openmindedness can be instilled in you based on your environment.
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There is no \'type\' of Christian Deadly, you obvious don\'t have a very good understanding of Christianity. Christianity is not a religion, its a faith. In believing that Jesus came to earth to save sinners and that he will one day return.
Not all Christians believe homosexuality to be a sin. There are certain things in the Bible that lead many people to believe God hates homosexuality, and I cannot speak for God himself, only for what I believe and the research that I have undertaken. It takes too long to explain, but I have found a pretty good website with some interesting facts. Have a read. I really like it because it goes back to the original Greek texts of the Bible.
http://members.aol.com/gunnyding/christ.htm
Anyway, think about it this way Deadly. I assume your straight (as am I) so I suggest you try and be gay for a day. See what I mean? Try as hard as you can to have sexual thoughts for a guy, about ramming your cock up his ass. Not working? Didn\'t think so. Its the same way for someone who is gay...
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I agree with everything Bob just said, and i think Spudz officialy loses the argument now ;)
Edit: Racer, no need to be graphic, thankyou.
If you read my eariler posts you\'d see I believe that people do not choose to be gay, so maybe your comments would best be directed towards others.
As Bob said, women happen to be much more experimental then males. In cases of curiousity, you can choose wether or wether to not take place in Homosexual acts. Many people who are Bisexual often have this choice a lot more then gays, because Bisexual people are usualy those who have feelings for both sexes. People who have feelings for one or the other, and not both, lack the choice Bisexual people can have.
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Bob, I agree somewhat, but you need to remember that sex is also combined with reproduction. A man and a man cannot make a baby, only a man and a women, so, theoretically, men are \'designed\' to have sexual feelings for a women, in order to populate the world.
But sometimes things go wrong, thus creating gays.
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I admit it- Bob has some mad arguing/debating skills.
I still have my feelings, and I still strongly believe in them, and although It may have seem like you won an unwinnable argument. I havent changed a bit. I still dislike homosexuals and their ways. I still think its wrong.
I dont see why you guys dont see that. Posting words, letters, and facts online cant change a persons mind. Hate me, befriend me, be neutral or whatever- but my thoughts are my thoughts. I have the God given right to believe what I wish, and to state it. I believe some of you are still going to bitch about me being anti-gay. But thats fine. Im still going to bitch about homosexuality. I know when to stop, and I will stop. Im sure this thread will live on for a while. I dont feel a bit embrassed, "ownd", or defeated. Rather the same before I stated my "narrow-minded" opinions.
I believe what I want. And will continue to state it. Weither considered a fool, or a person with a half- decent brain, to a prodigy, I will, want, and can post my opinions.
Im not accepting defeat, or any bullshit. Sure post all the 0wnage pictures you want, but It proves nothing. No one was beaten in this. To be beaten you must lose, I havent lost, and no one has won. We are all still believing, and I think no one has even changed their ideas, so dont start thinking you have proved your point.
BTW: Bob, have you thought of being a lawyer? Im sure you would make a good one.
Also I would like to mention for a decent thread. Without such a heated debate I wouldnt bother posting.
Anyway, Im babbling.
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Spudz,
How can you have such strong feelings on something you don\'t understand?
How about the fact that it doesn\'t pertain to you?
How did you let a subject so unknown to yourself that you develope feelings of hatred?
What do you plan to accomplish with such a conviction against people you don\'t know?
I\'m being sincere. I\'d honestly like to know how you developed these ideas you believe so strongly in that you won\'t listen to rationale conversation?
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Not listen?
If you just read my post you can see I have listened/read.
My ideas say the same, its like asking you;
How can you have such strong feelings for men?
You cant explain it. I cant explain my feelings, its the way it works out. I dont care if your gay/bi, its I just dont like gay/bi people as a whole. Sure I know gay people, and I get along fine with them. But sexuality has nothing to do with friendship, its them.
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Spudz, thats what you need to clarify. Hating gay people simply because they are gay is just stupid. Sure, you can disagree with what you think they are doing, but don\'t let it effect the way you treat them, otherwise your no better than a racist.
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Spudz, how is what they are doing, affecting you personally?
*can\'t leave thread*
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Lol @ Spudz. :D
At least we have had some good debates here, whether or not people will learn from it (*mentions no names*).
I wholeheartedly agree with most everything Rikku said. And Spudz, I don\'t dislike you even if I were to think you are a stubborn, misguided 15 year old. :p
I\'m still baffled about your "everyone being equal" statements though. Do you seriously believe everyone is born with the "same brain" and will be able to do the exact same things, if only educated the same way?
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You cant explain it. I cant explain my feelings, its the way it works out.
I can explain your feelings. You\'re scared of what you (so obviously) don\'t understand. You\'re insecure and naive. You\'ve been raised being taught that being gay is "wrong", thus you are against it, and the people who do it (as long as they are male). It disgusts you.
One day you\'ll learn how petty all this really is, and you may learn to drop it.
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Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Bob, I agree somewhat, but you need to remember that sex is also combined with reproduction. A man and a man cannot make a baby, only a man and a women, so, theoretically, men are \'designed\' to have sexual feelings for a women, in order to populate the world.
But sometimes things go wrong, thus creating gays.
Sex and reproduction are two different things. You have to remember that humans weren\'t just given sex organs to procreate, but to have pleasure. With that said, it could be argued that humans were designed to have sex with whatever floats ones boat, so to speak.
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Maybe homosexuality killed the dinosaurs. It sounds like a mad statement to make but hear me out.
For some reason women will always get broody about kids, even lesbians. If the entire human race was to become homosexual we\'d still be able to forward the species using technology, ever seen a T-Rex trying to hold a test tube?
I\'ll quote Trainspotting.
"In the future there won\'t be men or women, just wankers"
A narrow minded view but funny!!
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I think it\'s interesting that my name is in the subject of this thread, and I haven\'t even bothered to read it or post in it (until now).
Arguing with adolescent homophobes is not my idea of fun. I predict that all the teenage homophobes who have never gotten to know a gay person as a coworker or a friend will reverse their opinions 180 degrees when they finally move to a big city and have some life experience. Either that or they will go on a shooting rampage in a subway someday. One way or the other... :)
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I can explain your feelings. You\'re scared of what you (so obviously) don\'t understand. You\'re insecure and naive. You\'ve been raised being taught that being gay is "wrong", thus you are against it, and the people who do it (as long as they are male). It disgusts you.
:laughing: Bob, dont try. Youve already proven your point to them. Not me, its not helping a bit. You cant explain someone you dont even know, what the look like, their hobbies, their childhood. You cant explain it, your making assumptions. And no one even told me being gay was wrong- I made it upon my own choice.
and you may learn to drop it.
:rolleyes: I already have a while ago.
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I dont have anymore energy for this thread.
Ok maybe a little.
Bob, I commend you for your maturity at your age. Your logical, witty, and smart, and think about things before you jump straight into a debate (Spudz take note).
I still however think that reproduction and sex are somewhat combined. I think the two go hand in hand. Reproduction is pleasurable so, in old times, people would have alot of babies because they were having alot of sex. Sex is not primarily for procreation, but its certainly a big part of it, the act goes together, thus, being gay, would theoretically be a \'flaw\' or design fault, not that theres anything wrong with that.
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Spudz take note
I didnt make this thread. I was almost invited in by having my name on here. Then followed by people critizing me. I had no idea. I just ****ing posted what I felt, and have the right to do that.
Talk to Shockwaves for getting this started.
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Spudz, I was not referring to your opinions, rather the fact in which you launch into debate about subjects your little head can\'t seem to grasp.
Take some tips from Bob.
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Because he took this thread a bit too seriously?
Um sure....
little head can\'t seem to grasp
:laughing: Oh please dont. I know what I am talking about- I know my opinions, I dont like homsexuals. Sure they can be fine people, but their sex life is ****ed up.
My opinion is it isnt normal. How hard it is for you guys to realise an opinion when you see one? They have an opinion that it is right. Not everyone has to have the same one.
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You\'re free to express your opinion Spudz, but being that these are forums, we are also able to argue with them.
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Without insulting me as a person.
Calling me narrow-minded, ignorant, stupid, and a fool doesnt seem a whole lot of mainstream debating.
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Spudz, its because you have no basis for your opinions. You don\'t really give any vailid reasoning behind anything you seem to say.
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Spudz, if your best friend one day told you he was gay, would you completely cut ties with him?
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Well, just because Spudz may have some ignorant views, does not make him stupid, and you don\'t have to call him names to try and get your point across, although I strongly disagree with spudz, i\'ve talked to him on AIM and think hes actualy a pretty nice guy. So, if possible, I think people should avoid personally attacking him....
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I respect Spudz and know he\'s cool and he\'s entitled to his opionion. If someone disagrees with something he says, don\'t attack him. He\'s got views and are entitled to him. Dispute it not attack him.
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Wow, Im glad someone actually respects my views.
Thanks guys.
Spudz, if your best friend one day told you he was gay, would you completely cut ties with him?
Well, seeing probably my best friend is r4nd0m, and hearing how he talks. Its about a -100% chance of him being gay, or even having gay thoughts- but you never know :laughing: ;)
But I wouldnt- I have already told I- I know gay people, and they are people- its their sex life, and how they choose to live i dont like. i dont care if they do it- I just dont like it. People might not like Bush\'s actions, but they live with it. Its how I am.
Spudz, its because you have no basis for your opinions. You don\'t really give any vailid reasoning behind anything you seem to say.
Now I need facts for my opinions? Its my opinion that I am entitled to. Deal with it guys, you cant change how I think, how I live, how I feel. You need to accept it, as you have accepted homsexuals. I havent, yet, and probably wont for a while.
Dispute it not attack him.
Finally someone gets it. Ive been called a fool for posting my opinions, I dont get it. Its my opinion. And I have the right for it. It is America last time I checked.
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You\'ve changed your story.
You\'ve gone from hating gay people:
I hate Gay people
To just merely disliking what they do.
You\'ve changed from being pissed off that they are allowed to do it:
It pisses me off. Being gay isnt good. Its just not normal, its immoral.
To plain not caring:
i dont care if they do it- I just dont like it
Overall, your attitude appears to have had a major turnaround. /me thinks you\'re trying to save face. :)
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or we have touched him.......in a homosexual way
/me rapes Spudz
(sorry, but this thread was just too serious)
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Spudz, Spudz... it\'s ok for you to have your opinion. It\'s also ok for us to have another opinion. We can also argue with (or without) you. Doesn\'t mean we personally have something against you (I know I don\'t).
And don\'t take the namecalling too seriously. :laughing:
Now theomen... there\'s a different case. He\'s just simply a fat bastard. :D
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C\'mon, its only 10 pages, this thread can\'t be dead yet.
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It\'s dead.