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Georgians Plan Whites-Only Prom Party
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By ELLIOTT MINOR, Associated Press Writer
ALBANY, Ga. - A year after holding their first integrated prom, some students at Taylor County High School have decided to again hold a separate, private party for whites only.
While many whites say they still plan to attend next week\'s integrated prom, the decision to hold the whites-only prom this Friday saddened senior Gerica McCrary, who helped organize last year\'s dance.
"I cried," said McCrary, who is black. "The black juniors said, \'Our prom is open to everyone. If you want to come, come.\'"
Juniors are in charge of planning the prom each year and last year they decided to have just one dance — the first integrated prom in 31 years in the rural Georgia county 150 miles south of Atlanta.
Until then, parents and students organized separate proms for whites and blacks after school officials stopped sponsoring dances, in part because they wanted to avoid problems arising from interracial dating.
This year, a small number of white juniors decided they wanted a separate prom.
"They influenced the others," said McCrary, who plans to major in biology at Columbus State University. "They didn\'t vote on anything. They said, \'This is what we\'re going to do.\'"
The school has 439 students, 232 of them black. McCrary and a white friend passed out fliers informing students of all races that they would be welcome at the May 9 prom at nearby Fort Valley State University.
The private prom is Friday night 50 miles away in Columbus.
Erin Posey, a white senior, said the entire junior class joined together in hosting last year\'s prom, but this year\'s junior class wasn\'t as unified.
"I think a lot of seniors were disappointed," she said. "Now we have to choose between two groups of friends."
Posey plans to attend both proms.
"I had some white friends who were not going to the other (inclusive) prom," she said. "I wanted to have time with everybody. I\'ll have a lot of (black) friends there, too. A lot more of the seniors are going to be at the mixed one."
After school integration, separate proms were common in the rural South, but Taylor County was among the last to cling to the practice.
Glenda Latimore, a 1972 graduate, was in the first class to have separate black and white proms. Now her 16-year-old son, Gerard, is preparing for prom night.
As the black junior class president, her son helped organize the open-to-all prom. The class also has a white president.
"I would have liked to see it together this year," said Latimore, an outfielder on the school\'s baseball team. "My class would have, too. It just didn\'t happen this year."
Glenda Latimore said relatives in Philadelphia and New Jersey laugh when they read about Taylor County\'s prom. She said residents here are "nice and friendly," but they still have a problem with proms.
"It seems like it\'s something secret," she said. "The white people are afraid to speak up against the separation.
"But I went to a black prom and I had fun," she said. "It didn\'t kill me, so I tell my son, \'Just go to the prom and have fun. Don\'t come out hating anyone.\'"
A damn shame this still happens nowadays.
Hey vivi..come out, come out where ever you are.....
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I\'ll quote myself
How disappointing to see this happen in this day and age. Thought we came a lot farther than this. However I bet if some black guys hosted an "all black" prom, there would not be any public outcry.
Regardless, there should be only one prom, where everyone attends.
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I knew you people would point a finger at me.
I\'ve said it many times before. I always said I think blacks should have the rights same as whites, but never get things for being black. BET, black history month, FUBU, United Negro College shit... that stuff is what pisses me off. Same with these rap videos wheres theres not a single white person in it, I\'m sure whites would try out for Nelly\'s new video.
When I meet a new person and they\'re black I don\'t shun them away. But if they start saying "nigga" (I don\'t care what you say, nigga is the same as nigger, its just an accented version) and "crakah" **** them. It\'s like those people have to force it on the world that they are black, and they can do it because they\'re anscestors were slaves 150 years ago. Nobody ever comes forward with what I say because they\'re afraid to be accused as a racist.
Call me a racist, everyone knows I am right.
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Leave it up to some negros to make a big stink about some good old white fun.
(if you couldn\'t tell that was a joke, then I pitty you.)
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I say leave it be, I don\'t know what goes on in the head of a racist but I\'d rather it was like this than if they went to a mixed prom and caused trouble, then the only people at the mixed prom are the ones who really want to be there, improving the atmosphere for all.
Some people (black as well as white, don\'t want to sound racist) need to get real, the worlds becoming smaller and they\'re sounding more and more unreasonable by the day. But until they can treat everyone equally and with respect this is the best thing.
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The White Only Prom is being held where I live ;) Columbus GA. I don\'t see a problem with it. The blacks have blacks only colleges - wtf? If one race is entitled to have segrated colleges, events, whatever - why is it so bad that some little country bumpkin school having a regular prom and private one for whites only? Its called reverse discrimination.
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I just KNEW someone was going to chime in with either BET or the black colleges.
Check this out.
SInce you know about them, I\'ll assume you know why they started black colleges in the first place.
Since that time, some are now great colleges with alot of heritage and tradition to stay open.
But NONE that I have ever heard of are black only or non-blacks are excluded b/c that just isnt the case where as with this prom, they are trying to exclude certain ppl.
Im all for their right to be able to do it, the reasoning to do it is what bothers me.
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i thought all this segregation stuff was done with, just shows you that their still are ignorant people out there.
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Like I said, why do you care? Why does the media care? This HS is very small - 439 students. I agree the reasoning is outdated and a throwback to the 50\'s, but it is really insignificant. This reminds me of the incident in Augusta a week or two ago about the all male golf club. If people want to exclude other individuals from private events or clubs so be it.
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A prom isnt exactly a private event except to the students/faculty of said school. Whereas Augusta is nothing but private.
I care b/c it isn\'t right to answer you question. That type of behavior is NOT acceptable in 2003.
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Originally posted by luckee
A prom isnt exactly a private event except to the students/faculty of said school. Whereas Augusta is nothing but private.
I care b/c it isn\'t right to answer you question. That type of behavior is NOT acceptable in 2003.
It\'s annoying as hell but we have to accept it for now.
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Looks like everyone will be wearing the same prom outfits.
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Originally posted by luckee
I care b/c it isn\'t right to answer you question. That type of behavior is NOT acceptable in 2003.
Neither is reverse discrimination.
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Like I said, if it were an "all black" prom, no one would care.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Neither is reverse discrimination.
OK so, pending your description of where this reverse discrimination occurs....
You\'re saying that two wrongs make a right?
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I think Vapor said it well. If it were a black only prom no one would have noticed or if they did it would have made a foot note in a paper. Not much is said when a minority uses a racist remark, but God forbid a white straight male says anything that is somewhat contraversial it makes headlines. Guess what the Columbus Ledger Enquirer ran as its headline this morning?
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In this theoretical situation of blacks organizing a "blacks-only" prom, it may be true that whites (in the south anyway) would not have any complaint. That is because it supports their segregational beliefs. Blacks-only and Whites-only proms are the same thing. Both represent the goal of restoring a segregated, racist society.
The other stuff you mentioned about individuals making racist remarks is very different. This is speech and thought, not action. If you\'re saddened because you\'re not allowed to call a black person a "Spade" or some more offensive term right after he\'s call you a white honkey redneck cracker in front of a PA system at a national press conference, well you\'ll just have to think back on who enslaved whom, and get over it. It\'s not reverse discrimination, and it\'s not action. It\'s speech, and any inequalities are enforced by social mores, not federal law. There\'s nothing you can do about it except accept it or whine about it. Which would you prefer?
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ACtually didn\'t the blacks enslave themselves?
And I\'m willing to bet the black slaves that came over here and went through the segregated hell of the past are doing better off in the US now then their ancestors in Africa.
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Most didnt make it........
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Neither is reverse discrimination.
There is no such thing as reverse discrimination. I hate when ppl say that. Just look at the order of the words. :)
Discrimination has only one form. It doesnt matter what nationality or race does it, it\'s all the same.
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Originally posted by videoholic
ACtually didn\'t the blacks enslave themselves?
And I\'m willing to bet the black slaves that came over here and went through the segregated hell of the past are doing better off in the US now then their ancestors in Africa.
Actually you are right Vid, due to tribal warfare, vendettas, etc. blacks were sold by their own into slavery. Europeans never ventured far inland to "round up" slaves. In some rare cases blacks owned slaves here in the south as well.
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Originally posted by Coredweller
It\'s speech, and any inequalities are enforced by social mores, not federal law. There\'s nothing you can do about it except accept it or whine about it. Which would you prefer?
So what you are saying is it is OK for blacks to be racist and white people should just take it.
Core, just out of curiousity do you think blacks deserve reparations? :rolleyes:
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See, luckee had nothing to say about my beliefs. Now you just made it seem like you just hate me.
I\'d like to hear how blacks have a different form of entertainment, can say racial slurs while whites can\'t, and how there are rap videos with all blacks in them by coincidence.
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I didn\'t say it was ok, I\'m saying that I don\'t whine about it. When I\'m unemployed, I have little difficulty finding work again. When I walk into a convenience store, the employees don\'t look at me like I\'m going to rob the place. When I go to buy a car, the salesmen rush up to assist me, instead of ignoring me. I\'m white, which means I have certain built-in advantages in this society. Therefore I don\'t whine about little insignificant issues like blacks being able to call me names when I can\'t do the same in return. I don\'t have any desire to say such things, but that\'s beside the point.
No, I\'m against reparations.
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Slavery got a bad rap. Most slaves enjoyed it, and wouldn\'t have wanted it any other way. It\'s a widely known fact that they voluntered to go on the ships to America. [/southern propaganda mode]
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Damn this website to hell. I just wrote about 3-4 pages on this issue and when i clicked submit it decided that i was not logged in. F**K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was w/o a doubt one of the best things i have written in a long time. I copied it but at the end made some text red and copied that. :crying: :mad:
Why does it have to happen to a black man.
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Why does it have to happen to a black man.
That\'s the sort of crap I hate.
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The South will rise again
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You guys lost get over it...
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Really. the south can shove a **** up its ass. I mean what is there to rise too? I mean there is no HUGE and major buisness cities and they have a bunch of confederate flag waving rednecks. Not to say all of them are, but for those that are, they can take their happy asses back to europe with that lame "white power" bullshit.
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I like where I live. There isn\'t a problem with racism. We play sports together and even date other races. I like it that way. It sickens me that this still happens.
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#1. Clowd isn\'t a Southerner.
#2. It wasn\'t a school sponsored event - it was a private gathering held off of school property. It is not against the law.
Like I said, if it was an all black prom (I wouldn\'t even call it a prom, rather a party) - the media wouldn\'t have said a word.
Nicon, stop confusing pride for ones heritage with white power. I am not a native southerner and all of my ancestors fought (and some died) for the north and most of the confederate flag waiving rednecks are no more racist than your typical blue collar white man from up north. The Confederate flag for most Southerners is not a symbol of racism. Yes, some hate groups use the symbol, but please stop comparing it to a damn swastika. Let them be proud of the ancestors and heritage, hell, the federal government made the whole month of February a time for blacks to celebrate their history.
Also Nicon, there are large significant cities in the south, Atlanta being the the biggest one that comes to mind. New Orleans, Charlotte, Dallas...
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
#1. Clowd isn\'t a Southerner.
#2. It wasn\'t a school sponsored event - it was a private gathering held off of school property. It is not against the law.
Like I said, if it was an all black prom (I wouldn\'t even call it a prom, rather a party) - the media wouldn\'t have said a word.
Nicon, stop confusing pride for ones heritage with white power. I am not a native southerner and all of my ancestors fought (and some died) for the north and most of the confederate flag waiving rednecks are no more racist than your typical blue collar white man from up north. The Confederate flag for most Southerners is not a symbol of racism. Yes, some hate groups use the symbol, but please stop comparing it to a damn swastika. Let them be proud of the ancestors and heritage, hell, the federal government made the whole month of February a time for blacks to celebrate their history.
Also Nicon, there are large significant cities in the south, Atlanta being the the biggest one that comes to mind. New Orleans, Charlotte, Dallas...
Dude. Chill the F*** out. I was messing around. And why call a black prom a party? And what does the conferderate flag stand for? I never mistook it for a swastika. And what are they being proud for? Its not as if they did anything wonderful. And yes the government gave blacks a month, but does anybody but blacks really care? No. And when some white power groups use such things as the confederate flag it stains it and people can easily mistake a peaceful white man as a racist. Is it my fault that that i can walk into a store and be followed around cause im black? No, im more proper at times the half the white american population. Bad people give good people bad reps.
And when reffering to those "red necks" i was speaking about those that are racist and have SS tatoos on their necks etc. Modern blacks were essencially created from racist whites\' ingnorance. Not saying all of them where.
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Dude. Chill the F*** out. I was messing around. And why call a black prom a party? And what does the conferderate flag stand for? I never mistook it for a swastika. And what are they being proud for? Its not as if they did anything wonderful. And yes the government gave blacks a month, but does anybody but blacks really care? No. And when some white power groups use such things as the confederate flag it stains it and people can easily mistake a peaceful white man as a racist. Is it my fault that that i can walk into a store and be followed around cause im black? No, im more proper at times the half the white american population. Bad people give good people bad reps.
And when reffering to those "red necks" i was speaking about those that are racist and have SS tatoos on their necks etc. Modern blacks were essencially created from racist whites\' ingnorance. Not saying all of them where.
I was referring to the white prom as a party and I would call someone with SS tattoos a skinhead before a redneck, though both are equally as dumb ;)
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Like I said, if it was an all black prom (I wouldn\'t even call it a prom, rather a party)
The wording is confusing.
would call someone with SS tattoos a skinhead before a redneck, though both are equally as dumb
True. :)
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that just proves how "backward" the deep south still is these days...... Caucasians are becoming the Minoirty in the US.
:hat:ScottyJ:hat:
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
#1. Clowd isn\'t a Southerner.
#2. It wasn\'t a school sponsored event - it was a private gathering held off of school property. It is not against the law.
Like I said, if it was an all black prom (I wouldn\'t even call it a prom, rather a party) - the media wouldn\'t have said a word.
Nicon, stop confusing pride for ones heritage with white power. I am not a native southerner and all of my ancestors fought (and some died) for the north and most of the confederate flag waiving rednecks are no more racist than your typical blue collar white man from up north. The Confederate flag for most Southerners is not a symbol of racism. Yes, some hate groups use the symbol, but please stop comparing it to a damn swastika. Let them be proud of the ancestors and heritage, hell, the federal government made the whole month of February a time for blacks to celebrate their history.
Also Nicon, there are large significant cities in the south, Atlanta being the the biggest one that comes to mind. New Orleans, Charlotte, Dallas...
I agree with you Giga about the flag. It should be a symbol of rememberence to the Confederate soldiers who died fighting for what they believe and should stop being associated with racism. The swastica is used more for racism than the confederate flag. Having a flag with a swastica on it I could see stirring some controversy. I mean, the Nazis did exterminate millions of people.
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Originally posted by Titan
I agree with you Giga about the flag. It should be a symbol of rememberence to the Confederate soldiers who died fighting for what they believe and should stop being associated with racism. The swastica is used more for racism than the confederate flag. Having a flag with a swastica on it I could see stirring some controversy. I mean, the Nazis did exterminate millions of people.
But the confederates fighting for what? Sure they can be rememberd for fighting but for what cause? And obviously its not as bad as a swastika. People can stand looking at the CF where as the swastika will start a F-ing war, (not really).
Caucasians are becoming the Minoirty in the US.
Its true. I think i read that in the near future hispanics will be the majority. hmmmm. meh
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Really. the south can shove a **** up its ass. I mean what is there to rise too? I mean there is no HUGE and major buisness cities and they have a bunch of confederate flag waving rednecks. Not to say all of them are, but for those that are, they can take their happy asses back to europe with that lame "white power" bullshit.
Where have you been the last ten years, major cities, dallas, houston, atlanta, phoenix, do you want me to name some more? businesses Dell??? All oil basically, tobacco(although faltering) I live in Texas and maybe see a confederate flag once or twice every week if that, we arent the racist white supremists you make them out to be, you just get what the media plays for you on tv. And if you don\'t like the way we are redneck and all then don\'t come here. What you spoke was pure ignorance from tv or movie you just watched so come live in texas for a little while and you can see how diverse it actually is, austin is probably one of the most diverse cities in the us.
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
But the confederates fighting for what? Sure they can be rememberd for fighting but for what cause? And obviously its not as bad as a swastika. People can stand looking at the CF where as the swastika will start a F-ing war, (not really).
Its true. I think i read that in the near future hispanics will be the majority. hmmmm. meh
Confederates weren\'t just fighting for the rights to use slaves so pick up something other than a high school history book and read it. Confederate Flag has more meaning than just slavery, the flag gets a bad wrap.
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Originally posted by mjps21983
Where have you been the last ten years, major cities, dallas, houston, atlanta, phoenix, do you want me to name some more? businesses Dell??? All oil basically, tobacco(although faltering) I live in Texas and maybe see a confederate flag once or twice every week if that, we arent the racist white supremists you make them out to be, you just get what the media plays for you on tv. And if you don\'t like the way we are redneck and all then don\'t come here. What you spoke was pure ignorance from tv or movie you just watched so come live in texas for a little while and you can see how diverse it actually is, austin is probably one of the most diverse cities in the us.
Trust me i dont talk about something before i know anything about it. I have been there and im talking about south east my friend. As in alabama, georgia etc. Atlanta isnt all that much if you ask me. I have family there and have been there at least 7 times. I could care less about texas (as far as confederates are concerned). I have family all down there. Keep to these locations pal. Do what is the biggest high rise city down there that even comes close to chicago etc? And tobbaco can shuve a big one. I dont like smoking anyway cause its retarded in most cases and has not one good thing about it besides the fact that it brings money back to the country. Thats not even forgiveable cause some of it is at the expence of some childrens lives. So dont tell me about ignorance, i know plenty about it.
Confederates weren\'t just fighting for the rights to use slaves so pick up something other than a high school history book and read it. Confederate Flag has more meaning than just slavery, the flag gets a bad wrap.
This i know it doesnt stand for keeping slaves. Thats obvious, but if it isnt the only thing then why dont you tell me what else they were fighting for instead of telling me that it wasnt the only thing. Please. Highschool history book? Since you know so much and seem to feel so passionately about the subject, enlighten me. Really. And since when were the books wrong in the first place? Think they give you southern boys a bad rep? ;)
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Trust me i dont talk about something before i know anything about it. I have been there and im talking about south east my friend. As in alabama, georgia etc. Atlanta isnt all that much if you ask me. I have family there and have been there at least 7 times. I could care less about texas (as far as confederates are concerned). I have family all down there. Keep to these locations pal. Do what is the biggest high rise city down there that even comes close to chicago etc? And tobbaco can shuve a big one. I dont like smoking anyway cause its retarded in most cases and has not one good thing about it besides the fact that it brings money back to the country. Thats not even forgiveable cause some of it is at the expence of some childrens lives. So dont tell me about ignorance, i know plenty about it.
This i know it doesnt stand for keeping slaves. Thats obvious, but if it isnt the only thing then why dont you tell me what else they were fighting for instead of telling me that it wasnt the only thing. Please. Highschool history book? Since you know so much and seem to feel so passionately about the subject, enlighten me. Really. And since when were the books wrong in the first place? Think they give you southern boys a bad rep? ;)
Yes, we all know the Civil War wasn\'t only fought over slavery, though slavery was part of the reason the southern states resisted a bigger role for the Federal Government as they saw the writing on the wall that slavery was doomed. Basically, the Civil War was fought over power. The economy of the South was and still is not a match for the North. With the abolishment of slavery - those in power knew the Old South was doomed economically, politically and socially. It is interesting to note that of the white population in the south only 5 to 10 percent owned slaves.
Looking beyond the reason for the war debate, I find it ironic that the Confederate battle flag gets so much heat when all it represents are the men who fought and died on the battlefields. Meanwhile, the political flag of the Confederacy which stood for all of its laws and institutions was put back on the Georgia state flag last week!!!!!! This is primarily the fault of Dixiecrats and racist organizations such as the KKK chosing the battle flag as symbol of defiance and hate - maybe it looks more "purty" than the political flag... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Yes, we all know the Civil War wasn\'t only fought over slavery, though slavery was part of the reason the southern states resisted a bigger role for the Federal Government as they saw the writing on the wall that slavery was doomed. Basically, the Civil War was fought over power. The economy of the South was and still is not a match for the North. With the abolishment of slavery - those in power knew the Old South was doomed economically, politically and socially. It is interesting to note that of the white population in the south only 5 to 10 percent owned slaves.
Looking beyond the reason for the war debate, I find it ironic that the Confederate battle flag gets so much heat when all it represents are the men who fought and died on the battlefields. Meanwhile, the political flag of the Confederacy which stood for all of its laws and institutions was put back on the Georgia state flag last week!!!!!! This is primarily the fault of Dixiecrats and racist organizations such as the KKK chosing the battle flag as symbol of defiance and hate - maybe it looks more "purty" than the political flag... :rolleyes:
Thank you so much giga for actually taking the time to explain. I respect that. And your right the flag isnt about slaves but others give it bad publicity. Its sort of a mixed bag, but in terms of the confederates and southerners, 5 to 10 percent owning slaves makes no difference whatsoever. The magnitude of slaves that were brought over is one of the more serious matters because its not as if it were one slave per person> that would be different. And with the abolition of slavery, as you put it, being the final straw it was still something not worth fighting for morally, (but of course not in those times because blacks were only worth 3/4\'s of a person if i remember correctly). And during a lage portion of time, the south was booming economically due to such products like tobbaco. This is one of the reasons that weathly slave owners lived in large European style houses, in the image of an aristocracy.
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sorry I don\'t have the time to look specific examples up all the time. If I had the time I would have, sorry, giga said it for me, thanks
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Originally posted by mjps21983
sorry I don\'t have the time to look specific examples up all the time.
Good then dont expect me to either. geeze
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Thank you so much giga for actually taking the time to explain. I respect that. And your right the flag isnt about slaves but others give it bad publicity. Its sort of a mixed bag, but in terms of the confederates and southerners, 5 to 10 percent owning slaves makes no difference whatsoever. The magnitude of slaves that were brought over is one of the more serious matters because its not as if it were one slave per person> that would be different. And with the abolition of slavery, as you put it, being the final straw it was still something not worth fighting for morally, (but of course not in those times because blacks were only worth 3/4\'s of a person if i remember correctly). And during a lage portion of time, the south was booming economically due to such products like tobbaco. This is one of the reasons that weathly slave owners lived in large European style houses, in the image of an aristocracy.
Just to clarify a little on your post...
Cotton was the cash crop at the time. Tobacco wasn\'t nearly as large as cotton. As far as slavery goes... blaming white southern slave owners soley is a mistake. I believe there are three groups that share the blame for the longetivity of slavery in the US in the following order.
1. The Southern Plantation owners in the US for supplying a demand for slaves.
2. The European slave traders who made ports of call on the coast of Africa to transport slaves to North America.
3. The Africans who sold their enemies into slavery.
None of the 3 could have worked without the other 2. In regards to the number of slaves in the South, I believe you are on to something Nicon. If my memory serves me correctly, slaves counted as portion of the total population in the south (as you pointed out - a certain percentage of a white person) and since the House of Representatives is based on population the slave owners were all for counting blacks as part of the population even if it wasn\'t a 1 for 1 count. The hypocracy in this is absurd as these same people who were being "counted" weren\'t even considered citizens - rather property.
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Just to clarify a little on your post...
Cotton was the cash crop at the time. Tobacco wasn\'t nearly as large as cotton. As far as slavery goes... blaming white southern slave owners soley is a mistake. I believe there are three groups that share the blame for the longetivity of slavery in the US in the following order.
1. The Southern Plantation owners in the US for supplying a demand for slaves.
2. The European slave traders who made ports of call on the coast of Africa to transport slaves to North America.
3. The Africans who sold their enemies into slavery.
None of the 3 could have worked without the other 2. In regards to the number of slaves in the South, I believe you are on to something Nicon. If my memory serves me correctly, slaves counted as portion of the total population in the south (as you pointed out - a certain percentage of a white person) and since the House of Representatives is based on population the slave owners were all for counting blacks as part of the population even if it wasn\'t a 1 for 1 count. The hypocracy in this is absurd as these same people who were being "counted" weren\'t even considered citizens - rather property.
Very true. One thing though was that the Africans selling their enemies. Obviously it was for self empowerment and none sold their own tribe members. If it was known that the people would be descriminated against based apon their race, the African traders included, I\'m sure they would take offence to it. Not saying that all this trading would stop. And yes i did mean plantation owners. That was my mistake. The 10% that owned slaves had plenty; not only did a black account for 2/3 or whatever it was, if you remember the Jim Crowe laws that went in act, they made it even more difficult for a black to have any say whatsoever where their great parents had to be a citezen and they had to be able to read etc etc. where as even poor whites never had to abide by these laws.
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Very true. One thing though was that the Africans selling their enemies. Obviously it was for self empowerment and none sold their own tribe members. If it was known that the people would be descriminated against based apon their race, the African traders included, I\'m sure they would take offence to it. Not saying that all this trading would stop. And yes i did mean plantation owners. That was my mistake. The 10% that owned slaves had plenty; not only did a black account for 2/3 or whatever it was, if you remember the Jim Crowe laws that went in act, they made it even more difficult for a black to have any say whatsoever where their great parents had to be a citezen and they had to be able to read etc etc. where as even poor whites never had to abide by these laws.
I agree there was a hypocritical system in place prior to the Civil Rights movement in that poor uneducated whites were not held to the same standards as blacks and that is a direct result of the "Dixiecrat" era that plagued the South in the 50\'s and early 60\'s. For those that don\'t know, Dixiecrats were Southern Democrats who voted against integration. Most of those politicians later went on to become Republicans (Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, etc), but I think the prime example of that era was George Wallace - the Governor of Alabama who chained himself to the doors of the University of Alabama to try and block the first black students who were attending.
On the matter of Africans selling Africans, I agree it was mostly tribes selling their prisoners that they captured after tribal battles. This isn\'t to say some didn\'t sell some of their own tribal members due to personal conflicts... who knows... that is a part of unrecorded history.
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Note: The swastika - was actually a symbol of peace and other things, until the Nazi\'s tainted it. Therefor, I see nothing wong with swastika\'s.
-shrugs-
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For the record:
1. Africans did indeed sell other Africans into slavery. However, not nearly as many were sold by other Africans than were captured by Europeans.
2. At the time Slavery EVERYWHERE but Europe and Eurocentric America was not the horrible life that we have read about. In fact, slaves were just unpaid servants and could(occasionally) rise to positions of power in society.
Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Trust me i dont talk about something before i know anything about it. I have been there and im talking about south east my friend. As in alabama, georgia etc. Atlanta isnt all that much if you ask me. I have family there and have been there at least 7 times. I could care less about texas (as far as confederates are concerned). I have family all down there. Keep to these locations pal. Do what is the biggest high rise city down there that even comes close to chicago etc? And tobbaco can shuve a big one. I dont like smoking anyway cause its retarded in most cases and has not one good thing about it besides the fact that it brings money back to the country. Thats not even forgiveable cause some of it is at the expence of some childrens lives. So dont tell me about ignorance, i know plenty about it.
You are pretty ignorant about the southern economy. Atlanta\'s airport is the second busiest in the country next to Chicago\'s. Atlanta has the second LARGEST public transportation system next to New York and southern cities have the fastest growing tech industries in the country. You speak from ignorance.
Originally posted by Lord Nicon
This i know it doesnt stand for keeping slaves. Thats obvious, but if it isnt the only thing then why dont you tell me what else they were fighting for instead of telling me that it wasnt the only thing. Please. Highschool history book? Since you know so much and seem to feel so passionately about the subject, enlighten me. Really. And since when were the books wrong in the first place? Think they give you southern boys a bad rep? ;)
For the most part ALL text books give inaccurate information. The truth is generally censored and (slightly)altered to remain politically correct or to not ruffle feathers. The civil war was not so much about slavery as it was about states rights and money. Slavery was just the glue that held all the North\'s problems with the south together.
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I thought ATL\'s airport was 4th or 5th???
O\'Hare
D/FW
LaGuardia
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Nope Hartsfield is #2 for now. Saw it on the news a few months ago.
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Originally posted by Gohan
For the record:
1. Africans did indeed sell other Africans into slavery. However, not nearly as many were sold by other Africans than were captured by Europeans.
2. At the time Slavery EVERYWHERE but Europe and Eurocentric America was not the horrible life that we have read about. In fact, slaves were just unpaid servants and could(occasionally) rise to positions of power in society.
You are pretty ignorant about the southern economy. Atlanta\'s airport is the second busiest in the country next to Chicago\'s. Atlanta has the second LARGEST public transportation system next to New York and southern cities have the fastest growing tech industries in the country. You speak from ignorance.
For the most part ALL text books give inaccurate information. The truth is generally censored and (slightly)altered to remain politically correct or to not ruffle feathers. The civil war was not so much about slavery as it was about states rights and money. Slavery was just the glue that held all the North\'s problems with the south together.
First of all i didnt say the souther economy was crap. I was simply saying that when you look at big business you think of chicago etc. not atlanta. Public transit isnt really a huge money maker for the state and while it is very large it still does not bring attencion to atlanta being a huge business state. Im not saying its not but compared to cities like chicago, it gets less notification for its achievements. I know all about it so please dont tell me about speaking from ignorance.
I never said text books were right either and i know that some of the truth is masked. I just asked the question since when were they wrong? I am not taking sides when asking the question. You obviously dont know where im coming from. I am sorry if i offended you (being an atlanta boy and all) but im talking in all seriousness without much bias and with as little ignorance as possible ;) .
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Originally posted by GigaShadow
Nope Hartsfield is #2 for now. Saw it on the news a few months ago.
Where is LAX? O\'Hare really is # 1? Yeay! lol. (chicago pride). I thought LaGuardia would be at least a place higher.
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1. I\'m a Boston boy. (Sox, Pats, Celts) Get it right. :D
2. When you think of Big Business most people do NOT think of Chicago. Maybe YOU do seeing as how you are from Chicago.
3. If you were to compare just about any statistic that is kept on individual cities you will see that Atlanta beats chicago in everything but population. Just a FYI
4. If the truth is masked, censored, and altered wouldn\'t that make some of the information wrong?
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Originally posted by Gohan
3. If you were to compare just about any statistic that is kept on individual cities you will see that Atlanta beats chicago in everything but population. Just a FYI
Now you know you gotta provide some links on that one.
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Originally posted by Lord Nicon
Where is LAX? O\'Hare really is # 1? Yeay! lol. (chicago pride). I thought LaGuardia would be at least a place higher.
In 2002 Hartsfield was #1 in the world. LAX was #5. This is passengers only and doesn\'t count cargo.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004547.html
Oh and another southern city is #1 in cargo. Memphis.
That one surprised me.
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Originally posted by Gohan
1. I\'m a Boston boy. (Sox, Pats, Celts) Get it right. :D
2. When you think of Big Business most people do NOT think of Chicago. Maybe YOU do seeing as how you are from Chicago.
3. If you were to compare just about any statistic that is kept on individual cities you will see that Atlanta beats chicago in everything but population. Just a FYI
4. If the truth is masked, censored, and altered wouldn\'t that make some of the information wrong?
1 then why is atlanta on your loctation? I assume that you recently moved?
2. Please back that up because from many people that i have spoken to think chicago is a very large buisness city. Playboy basicaly started here as a matter of fact. I dont belive that all of our skyscrapers come from rich investors for little mom and pop shops.
3. And yes, please provide us with some UPDATED links that proves your point. Since you are not from Atlanta.
4. And just because the truth is masked doesnt mean that they are wrong. They may not tell you somethings but that absolutely doesnt make them false. Altered... well you would really have to provide me with some evidence. Maybe even mental but any grown person that has had some experience outside of history books should know some truth.
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Just from what I\'ve been studying lately in my Architecture design classes I know some rail system that Atlanta put in that was unmatched for city transportation. Then also the 100 of millions of housing that was to be put along the rail lines. That sounds like something I thought could be thrown in there. :)
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Its called Marta
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Originally posted by Bozco
Just from what I\'ve been studying lately in my Architecture design classes I know some rail system that Atlanta put in that was unmatched for city transportation. Then also the 100 of millions of housing that was to be put along the rail lines. That sounds like something I thought could be thrown in there. :)
Yeh thats not smart at all. Well i guess it depends on how close to the rail lines. Noise pollution lowers property value.
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Its much different than you are picturing.